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It's a conspiracy theory...see previous post.
Damn right! Have you ever seen Law of Physics and BigJim in the same room? Well???
What I like about this accusation is that it's impossible to disprove, seeing as we're all anonymous.
Of course, if LoP chips in to deny our cyberspace consanguinuity... welll.. he would say that, wouldn't he?
And if you go back and review our posts, and see there are differences of style and opinion... welll.. that would just PROVE how clever we are in hiding our sameness! How devious and untrustworthy we must be! Look how poisoned those wells are!
What's amusing is that you seem to be unable to comprehend that even if LoP and I were the same person, it makes not a whit to whether our arguments are wrong or right... so how about addressing those, instead of the completely disprovable assertion that two ZHers are the same person?
There is nothing stopping YOU from helping those sick people, just like there is nothing stopping ME from helping them. The only thing i am saying here is STOP FORCING MY HAND. That's called theft.
I think the Randian noise is essentially just noise.
The basic problem is the entire economy has been commandeered by parasites at the top of the pyramid.
Medical just happens to be one of the more egregious examples. Our medical establishment is top heavy with bloodsucking bureaucracy (insurance, institutional and governmental) and fosters price gouging by the medical supply and pharmaceutical industries.
Medicines and treatments that are very affordable in the rest of the world are exhorbitant in the US.
And as is the case with HFT, the industry has its hands on the jugular of Vichy DC.
Don't ever expect the compliant populace to protest, because it is totally immersed in tittytainment.
william-- lots of protesting going on -- most of it is people making little arrangements with their doctors called "cash" ---I do it and my dentist and doctor take it --"wink wink". My kid who is 21yr is the payer-- goes to my docter/dentist on my apponitment- pays cash--last dentist visit with teeth clean/xray and sealer an hour in the chair was $60 -- he is making an appointment for wisdom tooth extraction --cash pay --with a dental surgeon who was refered by the dentist who takes cash---who would have thought?
And what entity enables that blood-sucking and protects the blood suckers using their monopoly on legal force?
I pointed out to one of our health care providers that there is an entreprenure in India working to bring the cost of heart bypass surgery under $1,000. They gave me a blank stare and were not ammused.
"'I quit when medicine was placed under State control, some years ago,' said Dr.
Hendricks. 'Do you know the skill it demands, and the years of passionate, merciless, excruciating devotion that go to acquire that skill? That was what I would not place at the disposal of men whose sole qualification to rule me was their capacity to spout fradulent generalities that got them elected to the privilege of enforcing their wishes at the point of a gun.' I would not let them dictate the purpose for which my years of study had been spent, or the conditions of my work, or my choice of patients, or the amount of my reward. I observed that in all the discussions that preceded the enslavement of medicine, men discussed everything — except the desires of the doctors. Men considered only the ‘welfare’ of the patients, with no thought for those who were to provide it. That a doctor should have any right, desire or choice in the matter was regarded as irrelevant selfishness; his is not to choose, they said, only ‘to serve.’ That a man who’s willing to work under compulsion is too dangerous a brute to entrust with a job in the stockyards never occurred to those who proposed to help the sick by making life impossible for the healthy. I have often wondered at the smugness with which people assert their right to enslave me, to control my work, to force my will, to violate my conscience, to stifle my mind — yet what is it that they expect to depend on, when they lie on an operating table under my hands?” - Dr. Hendricks, on why he went Galt, Atlas Shrugged
Good quote, a great perspective not often mentioned or considered.
Another perspective not often mentioned is the objective fact that the good Dr Hendricks didn't get where he was on his own. Sure he worked hard, but someone had to fund the university where he got his degree, and the hospital where he did his internship, not to mention the 100 plus years of scientific research that established the foundation of his education. Granted, some of that money came from private sources, but much of it came from taxes paid by the people he elected (of his own volition) to serve.
Or was he just in it for the money?
yeah ebear--just like gov's build roads and bridges--I've heard that all my life from collectivists like you---
fact is you are a dumb shit.
Nice to hear from you Elizibeth "You didn't build that" Fauxcahontas.
I see. So if a bunch of bureaucrats hijacks medical research and education by nationalising some or all of it, anyone operating in the medical field has to do whatever another bunch of bureaucrats tells him?
You seem to forget that the government only managed to 'contribute' to medicine and education by extracting value coercively from people like Dr. Hendricks in the first place.
As for the 'someone' funding the university where Hendricks got his degree, why weren't Hendricks and his fellow students funding it? The hospital where he did his internship; why weren't the patients funding it?
Your argument is essentially giving a green light to collective enslavement where everyone owes an implicit debt to everyone else the moment the government gets involved in anything... and that the implicit debt can only be paid by obedience to bureacratic edict.
It's a shame the NHS in the UK does not provide it either. Many of the hospitals are compared to field hospitals during the Crimean War as they are filthy mainly due to unionized NHS workers. This is the Trojan Horse in ObamaCare - to unionize all healthcare under SEIU and ACORN.
Also why are so many of my fave UK pop stars, guitarists and rockers in the UK always dying in their late 50s? Must be that wonderful healthcare.
The best model I have seen is the Christian cost sharing healthcare in the USA. It is essentially health isnurance without the huge corporate bureaucracy and CEOs at United Healthcare, Aetna, Blue Cross, Kaiser and others who make $5 to 10 million a year.
CEO with stock options made over $18 million. The CFO with options made over $27.4 million and guess who helped write ObamaCare?
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=UNH+Profile
Is it more a right than food?
Clothing?
Shelter?
Freedom?
Do you have a right to,chateaubriand?Krug?
Armani?
Central Park west condo?
Be specific,man!,
I claim the right to Krug...when I can afford it!
Too much talk about rights, too little about obligations.
2000 B.C.—Here, eat this root.
1000 A.D.—That root is heathen. Here, say this prayer.
1850 A.D.—That prayer is superstition. Here, drink this potion.
1920 A.D.—That potion is snake oil. Here, swallow this pill.
1945 A.D.—That pill is ineffective. Here, take this penicillin.
1955 A.D.—Oops . . . bugs mutated. Here, take this tetracycline.
1960–1999—39 more “oops.” Here, take this more powerful antibiotic.
2000 A.D.—The bugs have won! Here, eat this root.
—Anonymous
Tell that to the doctor that wouldn't get paid if everyone got free healthcare. Someone has to provide the time and resources. If everyone has a right to free healthcare, then you are saying doctors have an obligation to work for free. Why is anyone obligated to work on behalf of someone else?
Because slavery is good. (When you're not the slave.)
"Decent health care is, IMHO, a human right.
How can profit be more important than health?"
I hate this sermonizing BS!
1. Profit is a measure of how well you are providing a product or a service.
2. Health service in the US and Canada is a CARTEL. The "profits" they make are from extortion, if you don't pay what they want you die.
3. "Decent health care" can only be provided if your economy can produce enough to pay for it.
You probably don't have a clue of what money is!
Freedom from the unlimited taxing power of the welfare state (nothing prevents it from taxing 100% of income, if it so chooses) is an even more basic human right.
When the state can tax without limit, the citizenry are reduced to abject serfs with no rights at all, other than the revocable 'privileges' the welfare state deigns to give them.
Decent health care is, IMHO, a human right.
Hats off for bravely inviting down-arrows. The healthcare systems in Canada and the UK need major reform if they are to survive aging populations. Unfortunately what was meant to be a safety net to avoid financial devastation with unexpected illness has morphed into a beast that no politician can say "no" to. Like much else in the social safety net, we are borrowing from the future to treat, very well, the boomers today.
Interesting; I'd love to see you incorporate your superb conditioning with facts that contradict it:
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/may/27/debt-deficit-oecd-c... (old news I know, but the order still stands)
IE, perhaps if the Iron Maiden and Her Majesty's servants in the Great White North had followed a path other than soakanomics (see eg.s of flush coffers in link above) they wouldn't have had to 'borrow' from anybody to pay for their healthcare?
I mean, if T Douglas and the CCF could do it while keeping the books in the black for 17 years straight you'd think that 'conservatives' could manage a surplus budget now and then.
It's almost as if they built up a nation of debt peons by design.
So what you see as borrowing problem could just as easily be described as a revenue problem
For the modest fee of $10.00, I'll explain.
Can I get a discount?
Discount? Yes, you can apply the $11.00 discount towards your Healthcare Deductible. ;-)
Oh, and don't bother making a payment for the policy - not making a payment for the policy IS THE POLICY. ;-)
Love,
Unhumane Health Services (uHHS)
Just put 'er in the cart, and we'll count it done.
At best, health care might be an entitlement. But it can't possibly be a right because it requires the labor of others, and that's not what rights are or do.
Healthcare is the responsibility of the individual.
It should be, but I guarantee you this guy will steal all the limelight.
Meanwhile the fringe low brows can continue on with their cult of conspiracy.
These HFT assholes equate volume to liquidity . Paying for order flow , and then front-running my orders is not liquidity .... it's THEFT
Front-running orders to the tune of 8,000,000,000 shares a day ( $20,000,000,000 /year if only 1-penny each trade ) in all trading venues is not adding "liquidity" ... it's "stealing liquidity"
These math and quant PhD's are morally corrupt thieves
These HFT assholes equate volume to liquidity . Paying for order flow , and then front-running my orders is not liquidity .... it's THEFT
Front-running orders to the tune of 8,000,000,000 shares a day ( $20,000,000,000 /year if only 1-penny each trade ) in all trading venues is not adding "liquidity" ... it's "stealing liquidity"
These math and quant PhD's are morally corrupt thieves
These math and quant PhD's are morally corrupt thieves
...and usually roriental
One more thing, Frankie...
One of the "Heroes" exposing the problem highlighted in "Flash Boys" happens to be a Japanese Canadian Gentleman.
Have a nice day.
Don't forget that we Math proficient Orientals are functionally literate (at times, with multiple languages); and are able to spell words correctly - most of the time. ^_^
BTW, Frankie - the Quants work for someone directing and approving the process.
As a New Yorker (I used to live there and in the NJ ex-burbs), you should be well aware of that.
"These math and quant PhD's are morally corrupt thieves"
Aww man, cut 'em some slack. They're just enterprising individuals pursuing their own self-interest.
Who here wouldn't do the same, given half a chance?
Uh oh, an ethics issue. Just because you can, should you?
Well said Remington!!!!!
Us low brows often have the greatest grasp of the truth, and the best Women.
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What is scary is that the conspiracy aspect of everything has pretty much fallen away and we are heading towards the next phase where things are pretty much out in the open and you can now visibly see the boot that is pinning your neck to the ground.
"Last spring, in a far corner of the Internet, an unknown blogger began to piece together a conspiracy theory: The investment bank Goldman Sachs was using sophisticated, high-speed computers to siphon hundreds of millions of dollars in illegitimate trading profits from the New York Stock Exchange, invisibly undercutting the market and sidestepping the regulatory reach of the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Only a few loyal readers paid attention to the blog called Zero Hedge, a no-frills site full of arcane analysis decipherable only by finance professionals. But when a former Goldman Sachs computer programmer was arrested for allegedly stealing software codes used for the firm’s electronic trading arm, and a federal prosecutor was quoted saying the codes could be used to “manipulate markets in unfair ways,” the once-obscure blog ignited a chain reaction. While on a golf outing, an editor at the New York Times learned from a friend who worked on Wall Street that the Zero Hedge allegation was the talk of the industry, and an assignment ensued.
On July 24, the Times published a front-page article on so-called high-frequency trading and its potential abuses, which in turn prompted Chuck Schumer, a member of the Senate Finance Committee, to draft a letter to the SEC that same day. Twelve days later, the SEC signaled that it was considering a ban on the very computerized trading that Zero Hedge had attacked.Suddenly, the shadowy figure behind Zero Hedge was a full-blown cult hero—a blogger with a bullet. His readership of angry traders and anti-government malcontents celebrated his newfound power. “Welcome to the party pal!!!” declared one of his fans in the comments section."
http://nymag.com/guides/money/2009/59457/
The Leo quote on Goldman's HFT was priceless.
That's a great link Fonz and everyone should read it. Thanks for posting it.
The thing about ZH that is so important is that, as far as I've found, it's a place where you can just put stuff out there.
If you say dumb shit, you'll get jumped all over, and rightly so.
If you have some kind of insight, it is appreciated.
A rare thing, unfortunately.
If you say dumb shit, you'll get jumped all over, and rightly so.
e.g. healthcare is a human right.
eg. breathable air should be privatized
Statist!!
Thinks people who believe in markets first want everybody to die.
Not all... not all. But when you pin your beliefs on a system that is inherently amoral, all it takes is one with enough might to say it's right.
<snort> 'Statist'; you mean like someone who expects the state to enforce laws; eg. contractual obligations?
Oh pardon me, I see you're a self-purported arachno capitalist, so you are eminently capable of enforcing every last one of your own contractual obligations (just so long as any transgressors are weaker than you)
In that case, have I got a deal for YOU my friend... where do I sign?
Collectivists suck collectively.