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The Revolution is in Fact Being Televised
Just in case you are missing what's going on in the rugged southern desert lands in Clark County, republic of Nevada...I'm not saying the next American revolution is unfolding before our eyes there, but what I did see for the first time in memory was the people drawing a line in the sand standing up against armed lunatics from the Federal corporatocracy, and not only holding their ground against the corporate goons but forcing their retreat.
This is almost unprecedented in this day and age. With all the rights that the imperious servant class in D.C. deigns to strip from their masters, and their cronies they've dispersed throughout the country to enforce their petty tyrancies, and after watching for too long now a painful progression of police abuse videos that have become all too common on the youtubes (some of them even technically being "snuff" films), to see the people actually redeeming themselves using the power and authority granted to them by the creator brought a tear to Chumba's eye.
This sordid episode naturally conjures up memories of Waco and Ruby Ridge (I implore my younger brothers and sisters to stop right here, follow those two previous links, and give those two horror stories at least a cursory reading, because history does not repeat, it rhymes, and how it does depends on who and what we are here and now, and to know who you are now you must know how you got here, because you're writing the next verse). Those stories, while very different, end the same: a bunch of fanatical thugs acting under color of law kill pregnant women, children, and other innocents; the murderers, sanctioned killers of the corporate cleptocracy, go unpunished (after all, they were just doing their job); the policymakers and their faithful sycophants cover it up with televised hearings that are merely pomp & circumstance preceding the preordained conclusion, already written, sealed, and ready for release upon the conclusion of the introductory theatrics.
But this time...I don't know. Did you see what happened in that video? Ammon Bundy, son of rancher Cliven Bundy, kicked away their attack dogs and ripped the wires of a taser out of his chest not once, not twice, but thrice, and kept coming back to confront the agents at his line in the sand, the soil that is his birthright, the soil where he was born and raised, and not the soil of the foreign thugs that contemptuously defiled it and came as usurpers and aggressors. Call these simple folk what you will, but that's good country upbringing. In that moment, if you were paying attention, that man reminded the rest of us the true meaning of courage and liberty. This is how it goes down, people. Through time immemorial, it is the man or woman who did not retreat, who did not relent, who kept coming back and tauntingly asking the aggressors, "THANK YOU, SIR, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER?" These are the pivot points in history, as we turn from tyranny and head towards Liberty, with a brief stop at Revolution.
Assuming this continues, and the degenerates from D.C. and their private thugs escalate their siege on the Bundy homestead to (as they will likely put it) "send a message of law and order", militia members (Americans) from across the country will be converging on that spot of god's creation to defend Clive Bundy and his family and property and rights. They (Americans) will of course be demonized. Already, one of the commissioners of Clark County has allegedly told the arriving militiamen (Americans) they "better have funeral plans". Please do not be informed by the scorn and ridicule that will be heaped upon these American men (and women) by the corporate media. Just know this: if it was you being besieged, they would come to your aid, too. Because they know: we either hang together, or separately.
If you take the time to get deeper into this story, as with everything today, you start to find out it has little to do with cattle and grazing and tortoises and everything to do with filthy lucre. Because it's always about filthy lucre. That's all these psychopaths know. It seems it has a lot to do with fracking leases that are raking in $$$ for the BLM, and--surprise bitches!--the honorable Senator Harry Reid and other of his fellow psychopaths is elbow deep in this shitpile.
I am not saying, "this is it", because It is what has been happening for a long time now. But what we see in the video above is the kind of episode that is going to increasingly happen across the nation, first in disparate pockets, and then seemingly everywhere, until we as a people finally arrive at the crossroads, where decisions have to be made. How will you decide? Of course, you can't know until you've been presented with the proposition, but just know that you will have to make a call, or one will be made for you. You will bear that cross. I've spent 8 nights in jail across 3 separate incidents within 3 years, all for a bunch of petty bullshit. I could have just given the cop my name, or my I.D., and let them take my car and avoided the whole mess, but like my brother Ammon, I drew my line: I established my sovereign boundaries and I am going to defend them.
Yes, everyone is going to bear their cross in this lifetime, and I believe it's better to choose the cross you're going to bear. When the time comes (and it shall), and it's your turn to bear your cross, don't worry about being inconvenienced, and don't be afraid. The story always ends well if you have the right perspective.
Please keep your eyes on this story. And please pray for Cliven and his family and neighbors, and for the thugs that are besieging them.
I am Chumbawamba.
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Do you have recommendations on a good primer for reading about being a soverign individual?
Thanks
http://jamesallen.wwwhubs.com/think.htm
Unintended Consequences, by John Ross.
Those are stories you've got to like.
An 'american' is unable to show respect for the system of laws his country has set. Plain signature for an 'american' who is at thieving, that feels that the State is limiting his capacity to thieve, is bitching about that.
No proper government should ever limit the ability of a middle class 'american' to thieve. Or this government is an illegitimate president.
Now he would be backed up by militia, 'americans' supporting this kind of licence against their own system of laws. All for freedom.
Usually, this kind of duplicity is easy to lift.
Just asking those 'americans' if they support the possibility of people in foreign countries to kill 'americans' who come to enforce a system of laws that is not legitimate.
This Bundy type are usually the support our troops kind of people.
So easy.
Wounded Knee Incident 1973 The Native American Genocide 5of5 - YouTube
from Sr. Lion
http://vimeo.com/55323163
10 thugs and 3 dogs should take 5 guys with guns about 2 seconds to "pull up and clean up."
Still one of the best comedians ever. Very relavant I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmQWXkFfI6U
Good video.
I agree with Hicks' conclusion. Can't say that I agree with the folks' ideology/practices, but I believe in their right to them (just as I wouldn't want them turing the State's power against me for my beliefs/practices).
While the State is involved here as well, I'm figuring that the situation is signficantly more different than with Waco. Bundy is a big businessman who has refused to pay some taxes, and while people can state that they detest taxes you cannot just snub your nose and refuse to pay, especially as a big businessman: if Bundy thought things unfair then he should have sought redress through the courts- yeah, laugh, but that's the "process" (for now), and if the "process" isn't utilized and there is not compliance, well... WFT do you think is going to be the conclusion here? I can state that I'd like to hear a trial on this, one that brings up all the history so that we have a full picture: I want ALL information available, as I'd hope would be the case for anyone facing charges.
Taxation is theft. No matter how how much lipstick you put on that pig it's still a pig.
Taxation is theft? Ah, the 'american' mantra.
And landgrabbing is what?
Funny, 'americans' used to picture themselves superior to the Indians because they paid taxes to a State. Indians were stateless societies and did not pay taxes.
After thieving all the lands from the Indians, 'americans', who know no shame and whose duplicity is bottomless, can still go up with tales like taxation is theft.
Only in an 'american' world.
Seer, you are off base here, you miss the big issue for off in the weeds issues, chumba has it right, this is an incident that has for some brought the criminal actions of .gov police to the public in easy to understand images..your return to the law is a side issue, as for many of us the law is one more weapon for .gov to retain power...if you need any lesson, see Kelo vs New London..or just conjure Jon Corine..you are way off base here.
The law, in an 'american' society, is a tool used by the servants to the master class aka WeThePeople aka the 'american' middle class.
Just asking what the rule of law is to an Indian.
The land was thieved to the benefit of the 'american' middle class.
This 'american' guy is probably at thieving something and somehow, he feels the State limits the opportunity of theft.
That is all.
'Americans' do not disagree with tyranny. They disagree with being tyranized.
Can someone state whether any of this is rooted in the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934?
If so, then the act was about keeping the peace between the sheep herders and cattlemen (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep_Wars - yeah, those cattlemen there have had a history of being peace-loving...)
Come on you pussy. Whomever is down-arrowing me, if you can't put up a decent rebuttal to a pretty simple statement here then why the fuck would anyone take your advice on how to view all of this? You're nothing but a sheep, following the Bundy-ites. I follow NO ONE, not the Bundy-ites (because there's no purity there), and not the BLM. AND, I'm prefectly capable to engaging in a logical discussion from my position (which is neutral, because we have yet to "go to court").
Seer, no down arrow from me but you seem to be pretty ignorant of the situation here. One, the Bundys have held grazing rights since the 1880's and pre-date the BLM and the Taylor grazing act. Two, the insertion of Reid, his son and chinese solar companies is a huge issue. Three, tax rebellions are universal and all but required to address state tyranny. Four, the courts are merely organs of the state that bend the law to suit their means. Five, Tortoises? This is a land grab without compensation and unconstitutional- pure and simple.
While Bundy may be no innocent here, he may be a rallying pont against State coersion and abuse. He may also turn out to be a means for further State violence against sovereign Americans. Playing the "everyone must pay taxes" card is beneath contempt. Using the Taylor grazing act is just cover for State intrusion for the purpose of garnishing more and more power is the same justification used for every State intrusion on our liberty.
It is the State establishing "first amendment zones" that really should have been an alarm bell.
Ah, the chinese are involved. Never waste an opportunity to use some scapegoating scarecrow to support the 'american' first.
They held grazing rights how? The Indians recognize that right to them? The US government? Grazing rights are part of the natural theory rights?
As to state coercion rally point, that is 'american' sense of humour.
The US of American, the mecca of 'americanism' on earth, started by declaring human rights as unalienable rights, while still maintaining human beings as slaves, were about to start the largest landgrabbing spree ever known in history, but this story should be a rally point against the State coercion.
What a world an 'american' world.
Pitch it with the right spin:
Say it: Corporape.
Excellent article chumba. Keep them coming, you have a fan base now.
There always comes a point in time when the number of people with nothing important enough not to lose, not afraid of the jails and attacks, & unable to pay fines reaches a critical mass.
Let's hope we reach that time soon!
"reaches a critical mass."
Isn't that sheep mentality, needing enough of the herd to be with you?
My wife is battling cancer. And we're trying to start up farming. I should abandon both for what? For a handful of people that don't want to pay taxes? Yeah taxes suck, but no matter what "change" people strive for I guarantee that the "critical mass" WILL deem it necessity for some "collections" to be made...
Viva la revolucion!
Isn't that sheep mentality, needing enough of the herd to be with you?
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Sheep are animals. 'Americans' are human beings. It is 'american' mentality to wish for the group support because the group is all for 'americans'.
Lest we get too stary-eyed over "revolutions"
I'd like to see the govt out of there. But, also, I'm not a supporter of Bundy either (even though he's a cattleman). Once the govt is out of the way then I think it only fitting for Native American Indians to contest Bundy's claims...
This might have been extra special had Romney been elected POTUS.
Would whoever down-voted me like to state why? (are you capable of engaging in a debate?)
If folks think that Bnudy et al are saints, then consider how the relationships have evolved:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep_Wars
The sheep wars in Wyoming and Colorado were exceptionally violent and lasted until well after the turn of the century. Like in Texas and Arizona, the cattlemen of Colorado were unwilling to share their pastures with the sheepherders, who were crossing into the state from southern Wyoming. In Wyoming alone there were about twenty-four attacks and at least six deaths between 1879 and 1909, though other accounts say that over sixteen people were killed. The most well-known of the conflicts was the Routt County Sheep War,[13] in which the cattlemen of Routt County, Colorado attempted to keep the Wyoming sheepherders from entering their grazing ranges. On May 23, 1895, the newspaper Cheyenne Leader reported that four days previously "riders were sent out to scour the country and warn the settlers that sheepmen now holding their flocks on Snake River at the Wyoming line [border], were contemplating an invasion of the Bear River cattle ranges. The effect was electrical, and by noon today fully 350 cattlemen and feeders were assembled to decide upon positive action to keep the sheep back...." Shortly after that, the cattlemen adopted a series of resolutions that established deadlines and effectively banned all sheepherders from entering northwestern Colorado. However, the Cheyenne Leader reported that the sheepherders would most likely disregard the ban and enter the state anyway. To enforce the resolutions, the newspaper said, the "stock feeders and cowboys [cattlemen], with a force of eight hundred to a thousand are holding themselves in readiness forcibly to resist any advance made south of Hahn’s Peak by the sheep owners.... A war is imminent and unless the more conservative heads prevail, the rifle will figure a conspicuous part in a Routt County sheep war. The sheep that are causing the trouble are some sixty thousand head belonging to J. G. and G.W. Edwards and others in Wyoming."[3][14]
Despite the newspaper's claim, most of the sheepherders respected the cattlemen's resolve, which defused the situation before it became too serious. There were, however, at least four violent episodes in the region during the time. The first occurred in 1894, in Garfield County, when 3,800 sheep were driven over cliffs into Parachute Creek. The sheepherder, Carl Brown, attempted to stop the cowboys from killing the flock but he was shot in one of his hips. When a posse from Parachute, Colorado rode out to the scene, they found the wounded Brown and a "mass of dead sheep at the foot of a 1,000-foot bluff." The Craig Courier reported the following on September 14, 1894; "The owners [of the sheep] are residents of Parachute with rights to the adjacent range and the posse made a futile race to apprehend the raiders. John Miller owned seventeen hundred of the sheep and Charles Brown, uncle of the wounded man, twenty-one hundred." About 1,500 more sheep were also massacred the same year in the same county. According to Jack Edwards of Wyoming, in late June 1896, two of his sheepherders were killed by Colorado cowboys and 300 of his herd was massacred. Upon learning of the raid, Edwards headed towards the scene but he was intercepted by a "party of masked men," who ordered him to remove the rest of his flock back across the border. After the raid, on January 23, 1897, Edwards told an Omaha reporter the following; "I have an armed force of about fifty [men] ready for the clash when it comes. I am compelled to keep a small army about my place all the time. A short time ago three hundred sheep were killed and two herders; for a while it looked as though the entire Colorado militia would have to be called out, but the sheepmen and cattlemen looked out for themselves, and there are several graves in the vicinity of Meeker that go to show that they know how to do this." Another incident took place on the morning of November 15, 1899, when forty masked men attacked a sheep camp located on the lower Snake River. During the foray, over 3,000 sheep were "clubbed and scattered", the shepherds were robbed and their wagon was burned.[3]
Nobody wants the desert in that area. Actually that's not true, CCI wants it for prisons that will farm felons from other states at a profit. That is terrible dirt that a bunch of ranchers manage to raise cattle on and pay taxes. The desert tortise is being euthanized and a number of grants to protect them have not been extended so it is not about the Bundy's destroying an endangered specie. I have heard the stories about Harry Reid and a Chinese investor wanting a solar farm to provide green energy to lots of homes (did I say homes, I mean casinos in LV). Jobs for this solar farm project? Are they American jobs or Chinese jobs (for their defective solar panels). Harry's kids will certainly get rich off the taxpayer subsidies for this project. And BLM thugs posting signs nearly every 50 ft that you can't step foot on this land. Yep Taser me for not standing in the 1st Amendment area. This isn't about cattle ranchers and sheep herders. This is above something far more sinister with someone in Washington (Harry , is that you) wanting this land and using Federal muscle to get in. Sheeple, bow down and be trampled.
Cattlemen vs. these others, is it really any different than those Sheep Wars?
My POINT is that the cattlemen treated the sheepherders worse than these other entities are treating the cattlement today (so far). Nothing lasts forever, and perhaps karma has caught up with the cattlemen...
TPTB (which the cattlement are not [only back in the days when there were sheepherders]) will do what they always do. And those helping to perpetuate this System (voting etc.) can NOT bitch about the results.
"This is above something far more sinister with someone in Washington"
Yawn... Again, you/me/us here, we're pawns (if we wish to be). POWER. Continue to create a platform for it... If you wish to kick them all out then buy up whatever it is that "they" are looking to grab: good luck finding the pockets (even wealty cattlemen can't compete- yes, if you have 900 head of cattle you're in the upper class).
Again, if Bundy was supposed to be adhering to the laws enacted as a result of the Taylor Grazing Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Grazing_Act) then he was duplicitous in his operations. He wasn't paying taxes for sometihng meant to create a framework to reduce conflict between cattlement and sheepherders. Pre Taylor the cattlemen had the upper hand through cooercive force, without any legal support to back them up (other than local crony politicians).
In no way am I defending anyone here: those familiar with me know that I'm a zero govt guy. Just pointing out the history. We can't possibly evolve unless we can learn to use logic and reasoning.
Did you create your account for this occassion?
Federal land as in federal government, guys got balls ever read the US constitution, these are the last guys you want to meet on their land disputing order and law
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guys got a beef should give him back his cows, whats he know
fyi re tasers - you might want to check out the properties of fencing vests, the electronic fights with rapiers.
The turning point will be when the guys in the white SUVs with dogs say, "fuck it, I ain't gonna do this anymore."
Hey Chum -
Maybe I wasn't the first guy to recommend that you be given some "privileges" around here. I do remember saying to (Aristichan I think) that you be given something more than your rants on the chat space. I think his response went something like "NO" if I recall.
Well, now all that has changed hasn't it? You showed them. You do get a chance to make a point. Hurray for you brother.
And as to your post above, I do agree that something is in the air. People are becoming more awake everyday to the bullshit they've endured without question for so long. But it may take a few more 'somethings' to get people riled up enough to put down their Busch Lite and tv remote and do something / anything about it.
Just thought I'd chime in and say WORD.
-Bard
Chumba is king of ZChat! 24 hour cathartic remonstrations and teachable moments in fucking with TPTB.
The government is fucked and they know it. They are desperate for control and they are going to lose it. They can't finance it and we are many and will defend ourselves.
Once again, they are fucked and we will win. They know it and we know it.
Five years ago when the Kenyan guy took office I told relatives it was going to end with blood flowing in the streets. They thought that was the craziest thing I'd ever said. (a very high standard if I say so)
What would your prediction have been, had that other Lunatic taken office?
McCain: blood in the streets overseas.
Obomber: blood in the streets at home and overseas.
Ah, now i understand, why Republicans are "preferred" by some.
Just like a filthy socialist to leave out Ron Paul...
Your statement is off topic. The topic is 2008. Ron Paul did not get the Repub nomination and Ron Paul did not run as an independant in 2008.
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I keep posting this all over, hoping it will become a mantra, to spur people on.
When is it going to be time to start thinking about the time, that it'll be the time to start pushing back, hard?
And how hard will you push back?
Bundy pushed back.
•J•
V-V
Thanks Chumbles, you da man. It was inspirational because you speak from your heart as well as from your experience.
I was up all night watching live feeds and monitoring Clark County, NV police channels. Some friends who were heading out to Bunkerville were having cell problems but my texts were getting through. There was a lot of disinfo being spread around and it will be a few days before all the facts are in. The III% people and the militias are staying put for now. Night vision scopes are searching for the next shoe to drop. Stay tuned.
Twitter was going insane all through this on #BundyRanch. Over a hundred tweets a minute at times - crazy. Interestingly, Twitter refused to correctly indicate how high #BundyRanch was trending and people on Twitter knew it and bitched about it - bear that in mind.
The comments posted under today's ZH article, "Why The Standoff At The Bundy Ranch Is A Very Big Deal", reminded me of the atmosphere on Twitter the last 24 hours. Ever seen so many trolls and shills come out of the woodwork? Some really stupid and arbitrary comments coming from people I didn't recognize but who had long time memberships (along with the usual crap from the newly hatched trolls). The competent readership on ZH must represent some kind of threat to somebodies agenda, nest pah? (That's French!)
Stay frosty and thanks again Chumba.
Common - The 6th Sense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTGxPiEg7iM
Today.....we are all Chumbawambans!
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You can thank the blogs and the few media outlets for bringing this to light. The BLM had the audacity to try and make it a No Free Speech Zone. Who the hell gave these SOB's the authority to take away our first amendment rights?
You can also look at this as a win for our Second Amendment. Imagine what the outcome might have been had we Americans been disarmed by the facists in Washington. Our forefathers gave us the Second Amendment as a means to defend ourselves against an overly tyranical government. Unlike Ruby Ridge where the Weavers were by themselves to defend against the trigger happy government snipers, here the snipers of the BLM had to know that they were being monitored by hundreds of citizens and many more on their way.
If this doesn't embolden the second amendment folks I don't know what will.
As for the land grab, word is out that Senator Harry the Hat Reid wants that land to build a solar power plant on it. It had nothing to do with any tortise.
This may have been a test to see how Americans would respond in the face of an armed tyranical government. Thank god enough brave souls turned out to face the enemy, Obama's storm troopers.
I was thinking that the only national "news" source you MIGHT find this is Al-Jazeera...CNN has Flight 330 or whatever wall to wall, MSNBC has Chris Christie and God knows what O'Reilly/Manatee is raving about.....all bought and paid for by the same people making money to supress this///
There is significant depth to the Harry Reid angle. In addition to Reid's son Rory representing ENN Energy Group and their attempt at procuring land for energy development, there is also the close relationship Harry Reid has with Neil Kornze, Principle Deputy Director of the Bureau of Land Management.
"Since March 1, 2013, Neil Kornze has been leading the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) as the agency's Principal Deputy Director. Kornze oversees the agency's management of more than 245 million acres of public land nationwide.
Before coming to the BLM, Kornze worked as a Senior Policy Advisor to U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada. In his work for Senator Reid, which spanned from early 2003 to early 2011, he worked on a variety of public lands issues, including renewable energy development, mining, water, outdoor recreation, rural development, and wildlife."
Kornze worked closely with Reid for 8 years and Reid gave him quite an introductory endorsement at Kornze's confirmation hearing.
Breitbart.com is trying to deflect on this issue:
"Despite the obvious partisan gain to be had if Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s son Rory (a failed 2010 Nevada gubernatorial candidate) had somehow been involved in a “land grab” affecting the Bundy family ranch operation—the facts just do not pan out as such. Indeed, Rory Reid did in fact have a hand in plans to reclassify federal lands for renewable energy developments. Just northeast of Las Vegas and Nellis Air Force Base, plans were drawn by Reid allies to potentially develop 5,717 acres of land for such use. While it would be fair to claim that such activity was in Bundy’s relative neighborhood, the federal lands once leased by the family were more than 20 miles away, east of Overton, Nevada. Contrasting maps offered by InfoWars and those entered into federal court record prove such a theory to be a stretch."
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/12/The-Saga-of-Bundy-Ranch
Somebody is full of shit on this and I think it's Breitbart based on the weasel words and the fact that the Bundy land would be required as a buffer zone for the renewable energy development area. Others have stated that the land is also valuable for mineral content while others have brought up fracking. The dust is still settling on this but in any case it doesn't look good for the mobbed-up piss wit Harry Reid.
Breitbart is either lying, or fails to understand the issue. In the very same document talking about mitigation strategies for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone, it talks about preserving a *DIFFERENT* plot of land pretty much as a wilderness area to make up for the loss of natural resources at the DLSEZ. This other plot of land happens to be parts of Gold Butte, i.e. where Bundy is grazing his cattle. It's a vis-a-vis swap in their minds. Screw up one piece of land, and in return, they restore another to pristine wilderness.
I have nothing against having some pristine wilderness areas, and in fact, I think it's a good idea. But I also happen to think that areas that aren't pristine wilderness areas can be managed so that human activity does not destroy it. I've seen irresponsible ranchers who have destroyed their land, but they can also actually restore it with proper practices. Pristine? No. Suitably healthy? Absolutely.
Solid writing dude. You are...adorable. I am at least in love with the idea of you.
I'm telling MrCreant. =P
It's OK, I'm available again ;)
-Chumblez.
Good to see this article from you my friend. Best 10 minutes I have witnessed in a long time. BLM are a bunch of cocksuckers, and as you rightly say, they will escalate this. It's been a while since we have had a resistance. This is one of those rare events where we see modernity trying to trump ancestry, and getting its ass handed to it. And also as you say, it will come in spurts and dashes until the orchestra sings in unison. This is coming to everyone's neighborhood, and we will all have some decisions to make. Face our demons and theirs.
"All we have to do is decide what do with the time that is given to us."
- Gandalf
Yes, and "The time is coming when all must choose between what is easy and what is right." -- A. Dumbledore (another wise Wizard)