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What's REALLY Going On In Odessa, Ukraine
Ukrainian War Crimes Whitewashed by Western Press
After more than 30 people died in a fire in the Ukrainian seaside resort town of Odessa, most of the Western press pretended that no one knows what happened or whose fault it was. For example, see these stories from the Guardian and BBC.
But USA Today reports:
Witnesses and journalists reported that as the building burned with people inside, a crowd shouted, “Glory to Ukraine!” and “Death to enemies!” [These are neo-Nazi slogans.]
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[T]he Associated Press reported that the Russian sympathizers took refuge in the trade union hall on Kulikovo Field Square after government supporters rousted their encampment outside and then burned their tents. Police said the building was set on fire with Molotov cocktails.
At 5 seconds into this 15-second video, you can see a Molotov cocktail being thrown at the building in which the Russian sympathizers:
Former Associated Press and Newsweek reporter Robert Parry points out how bad New York Times coverage of the Odessa attack has been:
On Saturday, for instance, the dominant story from Ukraine was the killing of more than 30 ethnic Russian protesters by fire and smoke inhalation in Ukraine’s southern port city of Odessa. They had taken refuge in a union building after a clash with a pro-Kiev mob which reportedly included right-wing thugs.
Even the neocon-dominated Washington Post led its Saturday editions with the story of “Dozens killed in Ukraine fighting” and described the fatal incident this way: “Friday evening, a pro-Ukrainian mob attacked a camp where the pro-Russian supporters had pitched tents, forcing them to flee to a nearby government building, a witness said. The mob then threw gasoline bombs into the building. Police said 31 people were killed when they choked on smoke or jumped out of windows.
“Asked who had thrown the Molotov cocktails, pro-Ukrainian activist Diana Berg said, ‘Our people – but now they are helping them [the survivors] escape the building.’” [Here's the Post story.]
By contrast, here is how the New York Times reported the event in its Saturday editions as part of a story by C.J. Chivers and Noah Sneider focused on the successes of the pro-coup armed forces in overrunning some eastern Ukrainian rebel positions.
“Violence also erupted Friday in the previously calmer port city of Odessa, on the Black Sea, where dozens of people died in a fire related to clashes that broke out between protesters holding a march for Ukrainian unity and pro-Russian activists. The fighting itself left four dead and 12 wounded, Ukraine’s Interior Ministry said. Ukrainian and Russian news media showed images of buildings and debris burning, fire bombs being thrown and men armed with pistols.”
Note how the Times evades placing any responsibility on the pro-coup mob for trying to burn the “pro-Russian activists” out of a building, an act that resulted in the highest single-day death toll since the actual coup which left more than 80 people dead from Feb. 20-22. From reading the Times, you wouldn’t know who had died in the building and who had set the fire.
Billmon comments:
Not even “atrocities were commited,” just a fire “related” to clashes that “broke out.” Immaculate conception theory of war crimes.
Postscript: While the Western press tries to paint the percentage of neo Nazis within the new Ukrainian government as small, the leader of the “protests” which ousted the previous president of Ukraine is a neo Nazi and follower of WWII Nazi sympathizer Stepan Bandera, and neo Nazis are largely in control of the new government.
Whatever You Think of Putin, You Should Understand How Russia Thinks
Even if you think Putin is a tyrant with ambitions to build an imperial Russia, you can’t understand the war in Ukraine unless you understand how Russians think.
20 million Russians died fighting the Nazis in World War II.
Neo Nazis just killed at least 42 Russians when they firebombed a building in Odessa, Ukraine that the Russians had taken shelter in.
Agence France-Presse reports:
Russian official rhetoric has increasingly compared events in Ukraine to the darkest crimes of Nazi Germany, ahead of next week’s anniversary of Soviet victory in World War II.
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The fire in the southern Ukrainian city of Odessa that claimed at least 42 lives on Friday has been swiftly dubbed a new “reprisal raid” and even the “new Khatyn,” a reference to the Belarussian village where 149 residents were burned alive by the Nazis in 1943.
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The Khatyn massacre went down in Russian history books as one of the Nazis’ most brutal “reprisal raids,” a term the Kremlin has now adopted to describe the offensive Kiev authorities have launched against pro-Moscow rebels in the flashpoint town of Slavyansk.
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“What has happened, especially in the Trade Unions House, brings to mind the crimes of the Nazis during World War II,” pro-Kremlin lawmaker Leonid Slutsky told reporters in Moscow, referring to the Odessa fire.
“These are the new Khatyn and Auschwitz.”
A senior official in the pro-Kremlin government of Crimea, Ukraine’s peninsula taken over by Russia in March, chimed in.
“The last time people were burned alive in Ukraine was by the Nazis during the Great Patriotic War,” Rustam Temirgaliyev said on Facebook, referring to the Russian name for World War II.
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Russia’s losses and sacrifice during World War II remain a hugely sensitive subject in the country ….
To the extent that the U.S. and Nato are backing the right-wing Ukrainians, we are creating conditions that the Russian leadership – rightly or wrongly – considers an existential threat.
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Thanks for that Reuters update, it is always so good to know what is going on.
Translation:
Romanian girls are low on business, and look forward to some fresh "investments".
Romanians are such a joke ! Somehow, they always manage to choose the wrong side in their alliances. They cry a river after a few stupid territories taken by Russians, even though nobody in those areas doesn't really want to come back in their fold.
Besides, their memory is, conveniently, very selective. They remember the Russians invading them at the end of WWII, but don't remember their 2 armies invading Russia, fighting in Odessa, then going all the way to Stalingrad, as one of the main German allies. In the end, their joke of an army proved to be no match for the Russians, who broke the front line at Stalingrad in the Romanian sector and went on to circle the whole Von Paulus army group.
2 years later, when the Russian roll was already unstoppable, they betrayed their German allies and officially turned to fight alongside the Russian army, a move which collapsed the entire German South front.
The result of this duplicitous behavior is that Russians still see Romanians as nothing more than a bunch of mouthy fascist thugs, while the Germans even after all these years (surprise, surprise) don't like them at all...
ww2: romanians were actually fairly good troops, but they didn't have the latest gear. no way they could hold the line aside stalingrad with 35t (R1) tanks versus the latest t-34s. also, the soviets totally outnumbered them in their sectors when 'uranus' rolled out.
but agreed... duplicitous at the end of ww2, and now with dipshit politicians courting nato...
but in early barbarossa, they had fairly brave troops.
Finns were fairly good troops, also German allies. Finns didn't have the latest gear either and were vastly outnumbered by Russians in Karelia (during the Winter War), however they managed to draw the Russian armies to a halt, though they lost some ground. They also managed to extract themselves from the German alliance in a much more disciplined and innocous manner towards the end of the war. Their main merit though is stopping short of following the Germans in their foolish attempt to occupy the entire Russia East of Urals.
Romanians, like the Italians and the Hungarians, lacked the sagacity and character strength to do just the same. When you own a weak army you don't jump both feet into military adventures, trying not only to govern the South of Ukraine (entire Odessa district) but fight with thousand miles long supply lines, beyond Donetsk and all the way to Volga river...
The Romanians have a secret hope:
A democratic, european goverment in Kiew will return to Romania the territories forcibly stolen by bolsheviks in 1940 (based on ribbentrop-molotov pact) and now are part of Ukraine.
Everybody is sure a democratic ukrainian goverment will not be able to live with stolen property.
avenriv, -- also the not so secret hope, that they can export their gypsies to democratic lands.
You guys mean Moldova? This was part of Russia for a couple of hundred years before it was taken from Russia after WW1. Typical eastern European area with lots of various national groups all claiming it belongs to them.
'bessarabia'?
Just wanted to acknowledge reading this story.
1808... Napoleon cancels all debts with Rothschild international bankers.
1811...For reasons still unclear, (see above) Czar Aleksander I breaks the treaty of friendship between Russia and France.
1812...Napoleon launches a pre-emptive invasion of Russia, in order to avoid a European two front war.
1917...Agents of Rothschild manage to gain control of Russia via the Bolshevik Revolution
1939... Von Ribbentrop and Molotov sign a non-aggression treaty between Germany and the Soviet Union.
1940...Exports of war materiel from Soviet territories into Nazi Germany exceed 600 million reichsmarks. The failure of the German attack on Englend means more resources will be required from the Soviets, especially petroleum.
1941... Hitler launches a pre-emptive invasion of Russia (especially southern Russia, now Ukraine), in order to secure vital war resources.
2001... Agents of International Zionism perpetrate a false-flag attack on a prominent New York City landmark. These attacks are blamed on Islamist elements.
2012...Failed wars of aggression by the United States against Iraq and Afghanistan wind down. Libya and Sudan have fallen due to intrigues by US backed Islamist forces and US aggression into the US-Israeli camp. However, Syria, aided by a resurgent Russia, withstands the same aggression.
2013-14 Ukraine, a newly formed nation (1991) is ripe for a US Israeli led destabilization. Said destabilization is carried out. A pro-Israeli government is installed after a putsch in Feb 2014. The fall of Ukraine is needed in order to facilitate the fall of Syria and the war plans of Israel against Iran, using US forces.
Spring 2014... Civil war breaks out in Ukraine.
Summer 2014??? US launches a pre-emptive invasion of Ukraine/Russia in order to secure the above-mentioned startegic objectives????
THERE IS NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN
"Summer 2014??? US launches a pre-emptive invasion of Ukraine/Russia in order to secure the above-mentioned startegic objectives????"
Kerry just said the U.S. would defend every inch of NATO. Ukraine is outside of NATO, thus Kerry was indicating that the U.S. would not become involved in Ukraine militarily.
Ukraine is the pawn to be sacrificed. Once the youtube videos are released of the Russians rolling over the Neo-Nazi's the neo-cons will come out with,
"we must do something to save the children of Ukraine."
Facts be damned.
You're a little confused about the Israeli part. Jews do not heart Nazis. Also, Israel sided with Russia AGAINST the U.S. State Department in the first time since, well ... a long time. http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Editorials/Israel-and-Ukraine-350376
Joos heart money.
Google translate much?
Please - Don't let facts get in the way of a good Zionist conspiracy theory.
One should NOT equate "Jews" with "Zionism!" That is like saying that Mexican drug cartels are Catholics. Just like not all banksters are "Jews," not all Zionists are "Jews."
Mislabeled "facts" get in the way of "a good Zionist conspiracy theory." But nevertheless, the world IS primarily controlled through the methods of organized crime, and one can simply look at who is dominating the established systems to be able to prima facie judge how successful they were during their history of doing that. It is axiomatic that human realities are always organized lies operating robberies. There are NO "good guys," only different varieties of "bad guys," whose relative dominance waxes and wanes, with the vicissitudes of history
Anyone who uses the phrase "conspiracy theory" in a derogatory way should be aware of the actual proven history of that phrase being promoted as a CIA conspiracy in itself, through the mass media assets which the CIA controlled, after the President Kennedy assassination. Welcome to the Bizarro Mirror World, Folks, whatever the "conspiracy theory" that one suspects may be correct, the truth is almost certainly way worse than that!
What's REALLY Going on in the Ukraine is extremely entangled criminal insanities, which would, on enough levels behind those scenes, make any relatively rational "conspiracy theory" appear as a grossly optimistic analysis.
RM - on the money buddy.
The world is run b a variety of criminal syndicates masquerading as governments and other organizations. it is not simple - it never has been.
Thus the importance of free speech backed by a heavily armed civilian population.
Radical Marijuana One should NOT equate "Jews" with "Zionism!" That is like saying that Mexican drug cartels are Catholics. Just like not all banksters are "Jews," not all Zionists are "Jews."
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I am only arguing your first statement which is BS. Making an analogy of Mexican drug Cartels to Catholics compared to zionist and Jews is BS. Zionism relates to some Jews while Mexican drug cartels has no relationship to Catholics. Take that BS elsewhere.
Disclaimer. I support a Jewish state and I am not Jewish.
So we can ignore those giant crucifix and Our Lady tattoos?
I support New York too but I ain't Jewish.
Right on, it is the bad jews we have to worry about, the good ones are on our side and love us to death.
Is the picture of the women making molatov cocktails available in Russia and will they be prosecuted? Or, at least, known?
What happened to the photos that were here this morning?
They were just what we needed to see, up close and personal.
Yes, they have already begun to prosecute. One of them is now in intensive care, unconscious. On the way home, her broke all the edges and pitched all face as the omelette.
Her accomplice, a man was found at home with his throat cut. They can not escape responsibility.
http://www.liveinternet.ru/community/globalnaya_politika/post323457171/p...
www.liveinternet.ru/journal_proc.php?action=redirect&url=http://inesacip...
...looks like a what a typical day in any US major city will look like....if not already....but with Ebonics, Latin-tinged anglo-'merican slang instead of Cyrillic
Washington responsible for fascist massacre in Odessa
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/05/04/361243/us-behind-fascist-massacr...
Peaceful protesting russians. Burned to death. This neo nazi group is confusing me though. Surely the imf feels uncomfortable knowing that their loan money is encouraging the extremist behavior of that group, no?
Zionists and Nazis co-operated back in the day. The Warburgs financed the early Nazi regime. At one point there were 80 Kibbutz in Nazi Germany, the last closed in 1943. The SS supplied weapons to Zionists in Israel (Palestine back then). Zionists wanted Jews to emigrate to Israel so it suited them for the Nazis to "make things hot" in Germany, About a third of the Jewish population of pre-war Germany emigrated to Israel. This was a big success for Zionists as Israel wasn't very inviting at the time.
The problem came from 1943 onwards when Hitler refused to allow Jews to go to Israel. He offered Zionists groups the opportunity to take every Jew from Germany to Spain for a $1000 deposit per head, providing that none of them then go onwards to Israel. The Zionists wouldn't agree.
The present day Neo-Nazis in Ukraine are controlled by Jews. You probably noticed that Ukraine politics is semetic. You could say that the foot troops are recruited under a false flag, since they think that they will be able to rid the country of thieving Jewish oligarchs like Yulia Tymmeshenko. How ironic that the Jews have handed Putin anti-Nazi propaganda!
Al Qaeda - muslim brotherhood - neonazis...whatever. Where do you think you can get a reasonably large force of weirdos to do your work for you in far away countries....
A little more appreciation for all the effort on our part.Change is difficult. We have to work with what we got to make the world safe for democracy and freedom. After Iraq we just can´t send the army and the marines as we see fit.Not even the current administration can work wonders. Look at what happened in Syria. This is most inconvenient and challenging to try to bring about change.
watched CNN out of curiosity earlier today... the "reporter" had the gall to suggest that the Russian sympathizers may have accidentally started the fires that killed them with molotov cocktails. these people are evil.
C(IA) News Network: The best propaganda they can shovel and the best false-flag studios, bar-none, in the west.
"Scud or a green-screen?! We're not telling."
They are Jews.
They are Jews.
By the way did you people saw below Nuland interview ? (April 29 Danish tv channel) :
http://common.tv2.dk/mpx/player.php/guid-pesk222.html
(takes a bit of time to load)
Transcript :
http://www.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/2014/apr/225520.htm
She goes back with the "specific weapons and individuals" stuff that has been debunked all over :
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Question:When you say it is not an indigenous movement, you blame the Russians, right?
Assistant Secretary Nuland: We have no doubt that the Russian hand is behind this. That they are providing material support, that they are providing funding, that they are providing weapons, that they are providing coordination and that there are Russians on the ground involved in this.
Question: Do you have proof?
Assistant Secretary Nuland: We have high confidence in our assessment of this. And you know, the Ukrainians have themselves put out plenty of evidence in the form of GRU Russian intelligence agents that they have arrested, tapes of operational conversations that we believe are accurate, the kinds of weapons that we have seen on the ground, the actual humans, you know, there are individual agents that have shown up in Slaviansk who were also active in Chechnya, who were active in Georgia, who were active in Crimea.
Question: There were some pictures last week, I think it was.
Assistant Secretary Nuland: Yes, the individual…
Question: But there were also question marks about those pictures, that they didn’t hold up, the proof wasn’t good enough.
Assistant Secretary Nuland: We have high confidence of our assessment that there are GRU cells involved in this.
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"we have high confidence, so you can shut up now thank you very much" :)
she gets quite serious after 11:30 or something :
Russians have shitty schools, shitty hospitals, Russians should understand we are here to help, but they really have a bad person these days.
Clearly Putin is the objective there, and then soft power, "comprehensive guy" doors fully opened to Exxon, Chevron, etc
Fuck you, Nuland. Please killl yourself.
Did she bring cookies?!
Russia is fucking paranoid when it comes to to foreign powers on its front doorstep, and we have been meddling. I'm sure Russia does have some "operators" on the ground. How would we react if Russia went in and destabilize Mexico with the intent of installing a Russian puppet government? What do you think our rhetoric would be if the cartels started gaining influence in the new Mexican government?
El Vaquero Russia is fucking paranoid when it comes to to foreign powers on its front doorstep, and we have been meddling.
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As if we aren't?
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El Vaquero How would we react if Russia went in and destabilize Mexico with the intent of installing a Russian puppet government?
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That script has already been played. Try Cuba.
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El Vaquero What do you think our rhetoric would be if the cartels started gaining influence in the new Mexican government?
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The current game is currency. What to watch for is what Russia & China do to destabilize the US dollar as the world's currency reserve. China, Russia and those that support them are the cartel. Then comes our rhetoric to watch for.
Funny how nobody remembers the NATO exercise Able Archer back in 1983. Just an exercise, they said, but it was different from previous exercises because it was supposed to simulate the beginning of nuclear war.
The patterns of movements and communications were different from previous NATO exercises, something the Soviets had never seen before, and they thought NATO was preparing to launch a nuclear first strike. They started arming their nuclear weapons, prepared their ICBMs for launch, and readied nuclear strike aircraft in Poland and East Germany, placing them on high alert status.
After the exercise had ended, intelligence sources were able to communicate to the White House what the Soviet reaction was and the reasons behind it. President Reagan commented, "I don't see how they could believe that—but it’s something to think about."
Some historians point to Able Archer 83 as having had a profound impact on Reagan, turning him away from a policy of confrontation toward the Soviet Union. While there are many legitimate and well deserved criticisms of Reagan, my opinion is that, in this response, he showed sound moral judgement.
Unsurprisingly, this change of policy eventually resulted in the neocons comparing Reagan to Neville Chamberlain and warning that Gorbachev was the new Hitler.
People have no idea how close we all came to "Game Over". Unfortunately, the stench of neocons in Vichy DC is still overpowering, and the adolescents at the controls are amoral, thus incapable of moral judgement. On top of it all, the animated corpse known as Zbiggy "Strangelove" Brzezinsky is still pulling strings and encouraging arms shipments to the Ukrainian Nazi government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Archer
Neocunt
Actually, she's just an old cunt.
Hey, the DC crowd supports the 'liver eaters' in Syria...
Consistent, no ??
So she is saying to the Russians Putin is the problem and he stands in the way of good schools and hospitals. This is getting to be very personal and I hope Putin do something about it.
If he personally pours a nice brew of Polonium 210 down that bitch Nuland's throat, I for one will applaud.
In fact, any CIA, FBI, or EU agent identified by the Russians as being directly involved in the Ukrainian destabilisation program is fair game for a bit of covert irradiating in my book. Even Baroness Ashton and her fucking cookies. They will all need extra security from here on in - Putin is a ruthless bastard who you fuck with at your peril.
The polonium business was brits, now they don't want to talk about it anymore...
media dumb you down much?
got to admit, that one dude's doo is pimpin
I fucking despise John McCain and everything he stands for. I hope he hangs in the town square for all to see!
lol, good one, that cap suits him quite well :)
Mature Neo-Fascists have such great fashion sense in headwear and neckties and the youth just have that special something with coiffures.