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The Secret Back Story to Russia and Ukraine that Americans Never Learned In School

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Preface:  We believe that Soviet communism was an abomination.  Stalin was certainly a tyrant: he killed countless political enemies or threw them into insane asylums.   We also have littler tolerance for useful idiots who defend communism as a force for good.  In short, we hate Soviet era communism.

And Putin also runs Russia like it’s his plaything, with little regard for the desires of his people.

But U.S. warmongers have also been hyping the Russian threat with self-serving lies – and committing atrocities and telling lies – for some 70 years.  As an American, my concern is keeping America from destroying itself.  And – unless we learn our history – we could get in a lot of trouble.

America Launched the Cold War Even Before World War II Had Ended

Joseph Stalin and the Soviets were key in helping the U.S. to defeat the Nazis.  20 million Russians died fighting the Nazis in World War II.

And yet the U.S. started competing against Stalin – and treating him like an enemy – before WWII had even ended.

Specifically, dropping atomic bombs on Japan had a duel purpose: defeating the Japanese, and sending a message to Stalin that the U.S. was in charge.

History.com notes:

In the years since the two atomic bombs were dropped on Japan, a number of historians have suggested that the weapons had a two-pronged objective …. It has been suggested that the second objective was to demonstrate the new weapon of mass destruction to the Soviet Union. By August 1945, relations between the Soviet Union and the United States had deteriorated badly. The Potsdam Conference between U.S. President Harry S. Truman, Russian leader Joseph Stalin, and Winston Churchill (before being replaced by Clement Attlee) ended just four days before the bombing of Hiroshima. The meeting was marked by recriminations and suspicion between the Americans and Soviets. Russian armies were occupying most of Eastern Europe. Truman and many of his advisers hoped that the U.S. atomic monopoly might offer diplomatic leverage with the Soviets. In this fashion, the dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan can be seen as the first shot of the Cold War.

New Scientist reports:

The US decision to drop atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945 was meant to kick-start the Cold War rather than end the Second World War, according to two nuclear historians who say they have new evidence backing the controversial theory.

 

Causing a fission reaction in several kilograms of uranium and plutonium and killing over 200,000 people 60 years ago was done more to impress the Soviet Union than to cow Japan, they say. And the US President who took the decision, Harry Truman, was culpable, they add.

 

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[The conventional explanation of using the bombs to end the war and save lives] is disputed by Kuznick and Mark Selden, a historian from Cornell University in Ithaca, New York, US.

 

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New studies of the US, Japanese and Soviet diplomatic archives suggest that Truman’s main motive was to limit Soviet expansion in Asia, Kuznick claims. Japan surrendered because the Soviet Union began an invasion a few days after the Hiroshima bombing, not because of the atomic bombs themselves, he says.

 

According to an account by Walter Brown, assistant to then-US secretary of state James Byrnes, Truman agreed at a meeting three days before the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima that Japan was “looking for peace”. Truman was told by his army generals, Douglas Macarthur and Dwight Eisenhower, and his naval chief of staff, William Leahy, that there was no military need to use the bomb.

 

“Impressing Russia was more important than ending the war in Japan,” says Selden.

John Pilger points out:

The US secretary of war, Henry Stimson, told President Truman he was “fearful” that the US air force would have Japan so “bombed out” that the new weapon would not be able “to show its strength”. He later admitted that “no effort was made, and none was seriously considered, to achieve surrender merely in order not to have to use the bomb”. His foreign policy colleagues were eager “to browbeat the Russians with the bomb held rather ostentatiously on our hip”. General Leslie Groves, director of the Manhattan Project that made the bomb, testified: “There was never any illusion on my part that Russia was our enemy, and that the project was conducted on that basis.”

University of Maryland professor of political economy – and former Legislative Director in the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate, and Special Assistant in the Department of State – Gar Alperovitz says:

Increasing numbers of historians now recognize the United States did not need to use the atomic bomb to end the war against Japan in 1945. Moreover, this essential judgment was expressed by the vast majority of top American military leaders in all three services in the years after the war ended: Army, Navy and Army Air Force. Nor was this the judgment of “liberals,” as is sometimes thought today. In fact, leading conservatives were far more outspoken in challenging the decision as unjustified and immoral than American liberals in the years following World War II.

 

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Instead [of allowing other options to end the war, such as letting the Soviets attack Japan with ground forces], the United States rushed to use two atomic bombs at almost exactly the time that an August 8 Soviet attack had originally been scheduled: Hiroshima on August 6 and Nagasaki on August 9. The timing itself has obviously raised questions among many historians. The available evidence, though not conclusive, strongly suggests that the atomic bombs may well have been used in part because American leaders “preferred”—as Pulitzer Prize–winning historian Martin Sherwin has put it—to end the war with the bombs rather than the Soviet attack. Impressing the Soviets during the early diplomatic sparring that ultimately became the Cold War also appears likely to have been a significant factor.

 

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The most illuminating perspective, however, comes from top World War II American military leaders. The conventional wisdom that the atomic bomb saved a million lives is so widespread that … most Americans haven’t paused to ponder something rather striking to anyone seriously concerned with the issue: Not only did most top U.S. military leaders think the bombings were unnecessary and unjustified, many were morally offended by what they regarded as the unnecessary destruction of Japanese cities and what were essentially noncombat populations. Moreover, they spoke about it quite openly and publicly.

 

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Shortly before his death General George C. Marshall quietly defended the decision, but for the most part he is on record as repeatedly saying that it was not a military decision, but rather a political one.

General Dwight Eisenhower said, “Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary” and “the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.”

And Truman’s chief of staff, Admiral William Leahy, who chaired the meetings of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, claims:

The use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.

America Has Waged a Brutal Dirty Tricks Campaign for 70 Years

Right after the end of WWII, the U.S. backed Nazi fighters in Ukraine in an attempt to dislodge Soviet control of that country.

Moreover:

In late September 1947, [George] Kennan urged Forrestal to establish a “guerrilla warfare corps”—a suggestion Forrestal heartily endorsed—although the [Joing Chiefs of Staff] recommended against establishing a “separate guerrilla warfare and corps.” In December, Truman approved secret annex NSC 4-A, authorizing the CIA to conduct covert operations. He had dismantled the OSS’s covert parmilitary operations capabilities in September 1945, but now he brought them back in force. In the summer of 1948, he approved NSC 10/2, which called for “propaganda, economic warfare, preventive direct action, including sabotage, anti-sabotage, demolition and evacuation measures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground movements, guerrillas and refugee liberation groups, and support of indigenous anti-Communist elements in threatened countries of the free world.” These activities were to be done in a way that would always afford the US government plausible deniability. In August 1948, Truman approved NSC 20, which authorized guerrilla operations in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe ….

 

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Beginning with Truman’s first day in office, his receptiveness to the views of hard-line anti-Communists, his denial of Roosevelt’s understanding with Staling, the provocative and unnecessary dropping of the atomic bombs, his spreading a network of military bases around the world, Churchill’s speech at Fulton, Truman’s call for fighting Communism in greece, the division and remilitarization of Germany, the continued testing of bigger and bigger atomic and hydrogen bombs which he used to threaten the Soviet Union, Truman’s deliberate exaggerations of the Communist threat both overseas and at home and his persecution and silencing of those who challenged these distortions. In all these matters, with few exceptions, the United states, after successfully liberating Western Europe, was now signaling fear and aggression ….

The U.S. also admits that the U.S. and NATO also used false flag terror attacks to discredit the Soviets.  For example:

  • The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950′s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister
  • As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents show that in the 1960′s, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. See the following ABC news report; the official documents; and watch this interview with the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC’s World News Tonight with Peter Jennings.

The U.S. and NATO Have Been Trying to Encircle Russia Militarily Since 1991

President George H. W. Bush promised Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev that – if the Soviets broke up the Soviet Union and dissolved the Warsaw Pact – then NATO would not move into those former Soviet countries. This assured the Soviets that NATO would not encircle Russia.

Similarly, Germany promised Gorbachev that NATO would not expand “one inch to the east.”  As Andrew Gavin Marshall explains:

The fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 prompted the negotiated withdrawal of the Soviet Union from Eastern Europe. The ‘old order’ of Europe was at an end, and a new one “needed to be established quickly,” noted Mary Elise Sarotte in the New York Times. This ‘new order’ was to begin with “the rapid reunification of Germany.” Negotiations took place in 1990 between Soviet president Gorbachev, German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, and President Bush’s Secretary of State, James A. Baker 3rd. The negotiations sought to have the Soviets remove their 380,000 troops from East Germany. In return, both James Baker and Helmut Kohl promised Gorbachev that the Western military alliance of NATO would not expand eastwards. West Germany’s foreign minister, Hans-Dietrich Genscher, promised Gorbachev that, ” NATO will not expand itself to the East.” Gorbachev agreed, though asked – and did not receive – the promise in writing, remaining a “gentlemen’s agreement.”

But Bill Clinton broke America’s promise, and the U.S. has pursued a campaign of encircling Russia ever since:

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And NATO has also broken its promise, and now largely encircles Russia:

In 1997 – as part of the strategy of encirclement – former U.S. national security advisor and high-level Obama policy advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski called for the U.S. to take Ukraine away from Russia.

Cheney Has Controlled U.S. Policy Towards Russia with a Strategy of Global Domination For Decades … And Continues to Do So Today

The U.S. has also long exaggerated the “Russian menace” in order to justify its military spending and expansion.

For example, Dick Cheney made false claims exaggerating the threat posed by Russia’s weapons in the 1970s to ramp up cold war fears and justify huge increases in military spending.

Subsequent instances of fear-mongering by Cheney and his subordinates include:

  • New York Times and Wikipedia, 1992: “Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere .… We do not dismiss the risks to stability in Europe from a nationalist backlash in Russia or efforts to reincorporate into Russia the newly independent republics of Ukraine, Belarus, and possibly others.”
  • Toledo Blade, 2006: “Vice President Dick Cheney accused Russia of pursuing antidemocratic policies and using its vast energy supplies to blackmail neighboring countries”
  • Wall Street Journal, 2008: “The vice president … accused Russia of seeking to reinvent the old Soviet Union’s sphere of influence, and beat back the advance of democracy in Eastern Europe …. ‘Let us make clear that the enlargement of NATO will continue as and where the allies decide,” Mr. Cheney said. ‘Allies agreed that those nations will be NATO members, and the time to begin their membership action plans has come.’ “
  • Telegraph, 2008: “We believe in the right of men and women to live without the threat of tyranny, economic blackmail or military invasion or intimidation …. Ukrainians have a right to choose whether they wish to join NATO, and NATO has a right to invite Ukraine to join the alliance when we believe they are ready and that the time is right”

Todd E. Pierce – Major (ret.) U.S. Army Judge Advocate General – notes in a must-read article that “Cheneyism” has driven U.S. policy towards Russia for decades:

Dick Cheney’s ideology of U.S. global domination has become an enduring American governing principle regardless of who is sitting in the Oval Office, a reality reflected in the recent Ukrainian coup ….

 

The final form of this ideology took shape in 1991 with the collapse of the Soviet Union when the world was then to be subjected to eternal U.S. military dominance, as revealed in the leaked “Draft Defense Planning Guidance” (DPG) devised by Cheney’s subordinates when he was Defense Secretary under President George H.W. Bush.

 

Since then, Cheney has been so successful in propagating this ideology of permanent U.S. domination abroad and rule by a “unitary executive” at home that it has now survived multiple changes of U.S. presidents largely intact. It is so much attributable to Dick Cheney that it merits his name: Cheneyism.

 

As unprecedented as Cheneyism may be – not even history’s most power-mad conquerors ever envisioned anything like “full-spectrum dominance” – President Obama has cemented Cheney’s ideological legacy by continuing his unilateralism and even expanding it ….

 

Cheney’s ideology combines militarism under a state of permanent war with an un-American, anti-constitutional authoritarianism. It also embraces an aggressiveness toward past, present and possibly future adversaries, especially Russia.

 

Robert Gates, who was CIA director in 1991, has written in his memoir Duty that with the collapse of the U.S.S.R., Cheney “wanted to see the dismantlement not only of the Soviet Union and the Russian Empire but of Russia itself,” so “it could never again be a threat to the rest of the world.”

 

Little wonder that Russian President Vladimir Putin concluded that denying Russian access to Crimean ports via the coup in Ukraine was just one step in a larger U.S. plan to deny Russia a means of naval defense, just as he might have seen the Kosovo War in the late 1990s as a move against a Russian ally.

 

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There is virtually no deviation in the United States from the core of Cheney’s ideology. That is, the unrelenting pursuit of total U.S. global military domination as outlined in the Defense Planning Guidance.

 

This February’s successful subversion of Ukraine’s democratically elected government by Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland is merely the latest example of U.S. policies first conceived and promoted by Cheney and like-minded ideologists, including Nuland’s husband, renowned neocon Robert Kagan, a co-founder of the Project for the New American Century.

 

If there was any doubt about the continuation of Cheneyism under Obama, the activities of Nuland – a Bush-43 holdover who was promoted by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and then Secretary of State John Kerry – shows there was no real break in foreign policy with the change of administrations in 2009.

 

As revealed by Nuland, there has not been a Russian policy “reset” by the U.S.; it was a mere subterfuge. And as Putin is learning, any objection to U.S. strategic expansionism is treated as “terrorism” or “aggression” and becomes a pretext for U.S. diplomatic, economic and military suppression of the “threat.”

In 1991, as conceived by Cheney and other Pentagon ideologues, such as Paul Wolfowitz and David Addington, this strategy of constantly violating other nations’  sovereignty has been waged both by military and political means ….

 

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For Cheney, it was as if he saw the Cold War as having been a winner-take-all contest for global domination. When the U.S. “won,” the countries of the world were to submit to global U.S. domination. As stated in Harper’s Magazine, the United States would move from “countering Soviet attempts at dominance to en­suring its own dominance.”

 

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Clinton preserved the general outlines of the force structure and strategy that had been worked out under Cheney and Wolfowitz. Cheney’s ideology of permanent U.S. dominance achieved its purest form under President George W. Bush, with Cheney as his influential Vice President. But Cheneyism also has maintained a strong foothold in the five years of the Obama administration.

 

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Cheney’s geopolitical ideas have become the consensus of both Republicans and Democrats and have assumed a permanent place in “mainstream” American political thought and governance under Obama.

 

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For a foreign government to anticipate how the U.S. will act, their analysts need to understand Cheneyism as a controlling ideology in U.S. policy, just as American intelligence analysts were steeped in theories of Marxism and Stalinism during the Cold War. U.S. citizens should understand the tenets of Cheneyism, too, since this arrogant ideology has the potential

for disastrous consequences.

 

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Indeed, there is a German precedent for Cheney’s ideology that is not Nazism. Following the failure of the Imperial German Army in World War I, philosophical militarists such as Ernst Junger and authoritarian legal philosophers like Carl Schmitt came together in the “Conservative Revolutionary Movement.”

 

Celebrating war and authoritarianism, they believed that Germany was the “exceptional” nation of Europe, deserving of military expansion in both eastern and western Europe. The German Conservative Revolutionaries didn’t all become Nazis, but they created a hospitable culture for them. With hindsight, they could have been called proto-Cheneyites.

Not only are Cheney and Neocons back … they never actually left.

The neoconservatives planned campaigns of destabilization all over the world 20 years ago, and Obama is implementing the same plans today.

The Bottom Line: Putin’s No Angel … But Americans Need to Gain a Little Perspective

Putin is no angel, and Stalin really was a murderous tyrant.

But Americans also need to understand that the U.S. and NATO have been seeking domination even before WWII ended.

Dick Cheney has dominated U.S. policy towards Russia for decades, and Obama is following Cheney’s playbook.

America needs to gain a little perspective.

See this  for other interesting and little-known facts about Russia.

 

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Sat, 05/10/2014 - 14:27 | 4746397 Urban Roman
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If our economy is not strong enough, then we should stay out of foreign wars.

The kind of meddling that is now going on is aimed at starting wars, and it will impoverish the country.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 08:01 | 4745824 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Well done. Such a failure.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 16:05 | 4746652 Ident 7777 economy
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Reply

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 13:38 | 4746264 DeusHedge
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I know I "can't reply" because of your name, but for real, quit being such a "real life" troll. That's the main problem I have with this site, the news is so accurate but people are so stupid. Or did you expect me to sit in a box studying world politics my entire schooling? For real, youre just like most of the other conservative xstians out there who don't realize liberalism and libertarianism is going to stick a cold, hard sickle up their ass.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 14:49 | 4746456 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Made me laugh. The whole comment is unbelievable when you read it.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 13:48 | 4748280 DeusHedge
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you win. :3 besides i'm in college.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 01:29 | 4745677 WTFUD
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. . . but what about the children?

When we/ our kids look back on all of this NWO Shit with a capital S IMHO what might stand out above all else will be the Comic Book Marvels contained in the Clinton and Obozo Libraries and Foundations. . .

Classic titles such as WHEN FISTING THE DWARF WAS FUN ; BARRY's Bunker Tips ; There's a Moose in the Hoose.

Feel free to suggest further classics.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 01:11 | 4745668 disabledvet
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I don't even need to bother with the comment section anymore.

"Putin as Russia...Russia as Putin" says all I need to know.

What an ass-clown.

"Say hello to Operation Overlord" while you pay a visit...yes, yes?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 23:51 | 4745596 robobbob
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overall an ok article, but how can you possibly have a discussion of russian encirclement and not mention the man who literally wrote a book on the topic and was a handler for at least 2 presidents.....Zbig?

and the topic itself, right out of the the halls of the empire that never set:

"Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland;

who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island;

who rules the World-Island controls the world."

(Mackinder 1919, Democratic Ideals and Reality, p. 194

Going after russia is SO much bigger than some johnny come lately american empire intrigues. This is an internationalist cast. American oligarchs are joined to the hip with the european cartel on this.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 11:25 | 4746033 RichardParker
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is simply the continuation of the Zbig/Kissinger global strategy.  These two Aholes have been more or less running US foreign policy since the 1970's. 

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 04:09 | 4745735 the tower
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One flaw in this: In a world where distances have been overcome by missiles with nuclear warheads there is no point in "commanding the Heartland". Mackinder wrote that 100 years ago, you can close that book forever.

Also, the "european cartel" does not exist. The European über-rich hate Americans and American oligarchs. There is however a strong connection between European and Russian oligarchs.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 17:11 | 4746750 robobbob
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"Control" is not just limited to the military sphere. Military forces may represent important and overt pieces on the chessboard, but they are far from being the only ones. And they are definitely not the ones used most often. The original hypothesis revolved around economic control. Yes, fanancial control is king, but a critical part is control of trade, especially ocean going. It doesn't matter if it was ships with Spanish flags, Dutch flags, French flags, or English flags, world trade, and by extension, economic vitality, of the west is tied to the control of commodities and their trade, often hinging on some sort of ocean going activity. Hench the term for earths largest land mass, World Island. Written a hundred years ago, some of the players have changed, but not the game. As is proven by Zbig picking up the baton in "Grand Chessboard"

A well developed World Island land mass, with infrastructure, raw materials, a productive populace, coupled with a population dwarfing all of the west put together, would be a formidable challenge to western control. How well would those infamous western sanctions work against a collection of countries connected by highways and rail lines? How would western military might penetrate deep inland? No one has successfully made it to Moscow and lived in quite a long time. Would supply conveys to the tibetan front fare any better? And a collection of governments with people in the billions and a vast land mass may well be less concerned with fallout than those dwindling few living in the bounded fishbowl of europe. The future of war is technological and economic. The western elites control system is couched in words like capitalism and democracy. In terms of sheer size, the World Island has more eyes, more hands, and more brains. If allowed to reach their potential, sheer numbers would doom the elites methods of control. If they tried to stay hidden behind the current memes, they would simply be out thought, out produced, outbid, and outvoted. They cannot allow this to happen.

Elites around the world hate poor people. Money on the other hand, loves money. Many in the American aristocracy have always prostrated itself before Euro sophisticates, and yearn to overcome their insecurities. A prime example is why did an American presidential candidate hold a rally in central europe as part of the campaign trial? To be followed by a victory rally before the arches of arguably the most vicious regime in modern history? John Kerry is practically embarrassed to be an American. No, the Euro elites may hold Americans in contempt, but have no quams using American cash, or spilling American blood in their schemes. And American elites are completely at ease in pimping out america to get their way.

There is a Euro elite. An anglo elite, an American elite. And yes, a Zionist elite. They are at times allies. They are at time adversaries. They are real. The people and countries of the world are pawns in their games. There are games being played with Russia. There are games being played in the Ukraine. These are games by and for the elites that have nothing to do with the true interests of the American people.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 22:39 | 4745502 Fred Hayek
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Very interesting quotes from Eisenhower there, George.

I sort of think that after inititally making the right move to shut down the Korean War, he f***ed up by listening to the evil Dulles brothers and let them take out Mossadeq and Arbenz in '54 but by '56 he had figured out how they were misleading him and refused to help Britain and France in the Suez and wouldn't do anything foolish about Hungary.

One might imagine that elements of the CIA didn't want his 1960 meeting with Kruschev to come to anything and that that was behind the U-2 piloted by Gary Francis Powers being shot down. The guy was trying to balance the budget, seriously cutting the defense budget in the process, and left with an admonition to be wary of the military industrial complex.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 00:47 | 4745649 Dr. Sandi
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Thank Dog nobody listened or many of us would never have found jobs building stuff that's on one end or the other of big, bad explosions.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 21:59 | 4745436 Andy Lewis
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A bit more bipartisanship please.  All Cheney and no Brzezinski makes George a dull boy.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 22:54 | 4745521 George Washington
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Andy, did you see this part:

"In 1997 – as part of the strategy of encirclement – former U.S.
national security advisor and high-level Obama policy advisor Zbigniew
Brzezinski called for the U.S. to take Ukraine away from Russia" ?

But yes, you're right, Zbig the consummate Democrat has also been largely responsible for U.S. policy towards Russia.

My first draft had Zbig arming the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan and other shenanigans, but the piece was getting too long.

But - without doubt - the Dems are totally complicit.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 01:42 | 4747612 Andy Lewis
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Fair enuf..  I withdraw the unfair snark. 

 

I think my raaction was based on not knowing just how bad Cheney was.  I try to be cynical enuf, but it's impossible to keep up. 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 22:03 | 4745444 Radical Marijuana
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Come on Andy, anybody who reads enough of George Washington's material knows that he is NOT that superficial!

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 21:50 | 4745430 tony bonn
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a little long winded, but well done....the usa is a monster terrorist state which has absolutely no business in ukraine....it is a ziocon war of genocidal intent - just ask victoria "fuck the eu" nuland.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 21:46 | 4745427 nah
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Russia will win cold war

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 04:11 | 4745737 the tower
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A cold war can only be won by not fighting, as a cold war only exists when there are two parties.,.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 21:27 | 4745402 billw
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This guy is a communist stooge, better known as a useful idiot. The way he rewrites history it won't be long before he has England starting WW II by invading Germany.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 20:17 | 4745248 Who was that ma...
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If you put your head under your desk and cover your eyes with your hands, you will be protected from the radiation and the fallout.  At least that's what we learned as school children back in the '50s.  We believed it too because the government said so.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 20:15 | 4745243 NoWayJose
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No Western historian can understand what Russia went through in WWII and why they do not ever want to have it happen again. And it was inflicted by the West!

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 22:46 | 4745511 Fred Hayek
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Well, yes and no.
Stalin at least partly inflicted it on Russia in a couple ways. He had himself bizarrely convinced that he could trust Hitler and, remember, invaded Poland in 1939 at the same time as Germany did, in accordance with their secret pact.

And a couple years before that, in 1937, paranoid psychopath Stalin had had thousands of army officers murdered because he'd decided they were all out to get him. So they had shit for an officer's corp in 1941.

And the British told Stalin before the Germans attacked on June 22, 1941, that it was coming but for whatever reason, insane Stalin would not listen and could not believe that Hitler would betray him.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 14:49 | 4746458 Uncle Remus
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.

He had himself bizarrely convinced that he could trust Hitler

Probably looked into Hitler's eyes...

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 02:42 | 4745710 weburke
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"insane stalin would not listen"? when stalin stopped listening he was promptly poisoned.

Good Writing as always G.W.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 22:42 | 4745437 Radical Marijuana
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I believe that it is well-established historical fact that the international banksters were behind funding the Russian Revolution, that enabled fake "Communists" to take control of Russia. I tend to think that countries like Russia, and China, and pretty well everywhere else in the world, had the shit kicked out of them by the rise of the technological advantages and social organization of the West.

After they had the shit kicked out of them by the relative superiority of the West, countries like Russia and China were forced to assimilate the same sorts of technologies, including methods of social organization, in order to resist, which they somewhat did. However, nevertheless, they still got more shit kicked out of them by the West ... We are reaching a possibly crucial tipping point in human history, when the West is no longer sufficiently superior to be able to continue to succeed in kicking the shit out of pretty well every other place on the planet?

The main thing about Western civilization that I like was the emergence of the scientific methods. Personally, I would like to see that eat and assimilate every other old-fashioned religion and ideology on the planet, and thereby recycle and reprocess them into a creative synthesis of ancient mysticism within postmodernizing science, because, the GRAND PARADOX of Western Civilization was the development of weapons of mass destruction that were trillions of times more powerful and capable than anything that previously existed in human history, which necessarily can not work within the social pyramid systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, or the enforced frauds, which were most developed by Western Civilization, and thus, then driven to be adapted to, or adopted in some hybridized ways, by everywhere else on the planet.

While there was no doubt that Russia suffered by far the most during WW II, they also perhaps suffered even more by the international banksters implementing fake "Communism" upon the Russians, through financing the Russian Revolution. Indeed, in many different ways, Russia was part of Western Civilization, but a kind of barbaric fringe, which therefore, suffered the most, and the most deeply, and, due to the history of abuse, have also become abusers, who have thoroughly prepared to fight an INSANE WW III, against the international banksters controlled NATO counties.

In my opinion, Putin's people now better understand the Vicious Wolves, the international banksters, and the Putin system has become ways to imitate their tricks and techniques enough to perhaps be able to effectively resist them? ... In that context, I do not think that one has to be a clairvoyant to predict the future of the whole world may largely depend upon how resolving the conflicts between the international bankster controlled NATO, versus Russia and its allies, works out!

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 00:45 | 4745648 Dr. Sandi
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To defeat your evil enemy, you must become like him.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 10:37 | 4745945 Escapedgoat
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No.

You need to become worse than him.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 14:48 | 4746454 Uncle Remus
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USSA! USSA! USSA!

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 20:15 | 4745239 Leraconteur
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This historical revisionism has clearly gained creedence with the Internet Idiots here and elsewhere.

“looking for peace”

 

Except that they did not surrender nor stop fighting until days after the 2nd Bomb and delusiionally thought they could get terms. They argued internally, an assassination attempt against the Emperor was made, a coup was attempted.

These were NOT the actions of a society looking for peace. They were going to fight to the last school girl armed with a pointed stick on Sapporo.

When you invade all of East Asia, you don't get to ask for anything. Germany did not get terms, you don't either.

We don't have to look to any interpretations nor insight - just the dates and what Japan did not do. Two nuked cities, and they continued to insist upon terms, did not surrender, and attempted to kill the emperor so that the military could continue to fight.

Were those the actions of a Japan looking for peace? No, they were not.

What you are doing is looking at 2014 and projecting current attitudes back into the future. This is just stupid, and borders on the insane. It's a common attitude here on ZH.

It's as though you think that Edison should have thought to record his work on 1080p so that someone in the future could use that future tech to replay and document his work.

I have no doubt you will downvote this comment by the dozens.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 21:19 | 4745305 Aussiekiwi
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Lera you said:

'This historical revisionism has clearly gained creedence with the Internet Idiots here and elsewhere.'

I was going to use the words 'this article is a complete load of crap'.... your analysis is a little more professional.

 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 20:40 | 4745299 gdpetti
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It's called psychopathy, try reading Political Ponerology and anyone that has written on the cycles of history, The Crowd, or Spengler's Decline of the West.... the Japanese had psychos in charge, same as we do now, and we know what the results will be, same as always, decadence and rot from within to the point that 'anything goes' and the people raise their heads to heaven wondering WTF is going on... though by that time, either a newer, fresher group of psychos in another country like the USofA comes along to take over.. or Mother Nature steps in to clean the slate. If you've been watching all the 'climate changes', you know which is most likely to happen first.... the nation reflects its people, who reflect its underlying beliefs, which are strong to start, but fade to nonsense by the end.... and so the wheel of life turns.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 20:34 | 4745282 chapaev's ghost
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I'm downvoting you for the following phrase:

"What you are doing is looking at 2014 and projecting current attitudes back into the future. This is just stupid..."

Yeah, like you said.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 20:19 | 4745252 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Get a grip about your fabled past or produce a more satisfying streak of propaganda.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 02:10 | 4745698 Leraconteur
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I am not citing propanda but known and undisputed facts about the dates, events and coup attempts in Japan. Nothing I wrote is up for debate.

If you cannot conclude that a military that would attempt to kill the nation's leader, to prevent him from talking to The People and telling them 'It is time to give up', so that the military could continue to fight (all of this is completely undisputed) to the last person, then you have a problem assessing reality.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 04:44 | 4745745 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Propagandists have grown incredibly cocky in their detached way to reality.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 05:05 | 4745752 Leraconteur
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Point out any incorrect facts in my posts.

Look at the Japanese and their actions and dates of events. Just the events and the dates. Now consider what those events, dates and the reaction of the Japanese revealed about their attitudes.

Do you dispute these events and dates?

No, you don't. You won't address those dates or events - you will reply to a non-point that I did not make. This is the classic 'debate technique' of those who cannot argue.

What you don't realise is that I would agree with your point about keeping the Soviets at bay as a partial reason. What you don't realise is that your entrenched view is propaganda and that your inability to make your case via any means other than chanting it repeatedly reveals the weakness in your argument.

It's nearly universal online that no one can agree with any part of any 'official story' of events and have logical reasons to do so, and when one makes their case as I have, those who diasagree use Alinksy-esque and propaganda techniques. This is the decline of western thought, that you will not and cannot debate.

Just as well, back to my tea and my garden.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 06:16 | 4745773 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

 

Point out any incorrect facts in my posts.

Look at the Japanese and their actions and dates of events. Just the events and the dates. Now consider what those events, dates and the reaction of the Japanese revealed about their attitudes.

Do you dispute these events and dates?

From April 1945 through the end of the war, Japan made multiple attempts to negotiate a surrender.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html

Of course, this little fact forces a reality check that destroys totally the story.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 19:32 | 4749190 NickVegas
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This stuff gets them all worked up. When you find facts to contradict their re-written narrative of history, it makes people question, well just about everything. They are still defending their narrative of "the bomb" in 2014.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 04:04 | 4745733 mc225
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regardless of whether the japanese would have wanted to fight on, a naval blockade would have starved them out. the a-bombs were ultimately unneccessary.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 05:53 | 4745768 effendi
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Bull-fucking-shit.

It would have been impossible to starve the Japanese out as the military would have first dibs on any food and would have let 50 million+ civilians die of starvation first.

Long before that there would have been a few hundred thousand American, British, Australian etc POWs killed (and most likely eaten). The Japanese army even had regulations specifying the eating of foreigners was OK but not the eating of other Japanese and cannibalism was common.

Plus a few million Asians would have died in Japanese occupied territory. Plus a few hundred thousand Allied casualties trying to liberate occupied territory.

Japanese hold outs still managed to survive for years after the surrender, a starving guy in rags and carrying a rusty bayonet can still kill and they were still killing for years after the war ended.

The bombs killed 300,000 and saved tens of millions.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 06:31 | 4745778 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Really? Please up the standard of propaganda. This one is definitively too low.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 20:15 | 4745207 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Cheney Has Controlled U.S. Policy Towards Russia with a Strategy of Global Domination For Decades … And Continues to Do So Today"...

The "Dick" Cheney!  You mean nobody at the Central "Intelligence" Agency has had the intestinal fortitude to "draw and quarter" this SOB and send the pieces to the four corners of the U.S. ?

And why is it again that the presstitutes from CNN, FOX, MSNBC, CBS and ABC keep inviting him back for his wonderful litany of what he would do if he were still in control of the Oval Office???!...

I guess we should be grateful that cocksuckers like this might finally be facing an orange jumpsuit and hopefully the electric chair for crimes that cetain Corporations that keep changing their name are still commiting like this!...

Wake the fuck up America before it's too late!

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 01:28 | 4745442 August
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>>>crimes that certain Corporations that keep changing their name are still commiting like this!...

Anyone paying US taxes should click that link to see what your $5 billion have paid for in Ukraine.

FWIW I liked Jim Kunstler's recent turn of phrase... "countries don't get what they expect, they get what they deserve";  I don't fully agree with Kunstler's statement, except on the metaphysical level... you are what you are.

Here's to justice, then, in this world or the next.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 19:34 | 4745155 Rogue Economist
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Ukraine Re-Redux Podcast.

RE

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 18:54 | 4745060 novictim
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Most of the punditry here is couched as a chess game between the USA and Russia.

This is wrong.  Ukraine is a soverign country.

The USA and RUSSIA have NO RIGHTS regarding UKRAINE.  

Only Ukrainians have the right to determine what path Ukraine takes.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 20:32 | 4745278 MrBoompi
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Sorry Novictim, if the US wants to stick its nose in somebody else's business, that's what we do. International or domestic law do not matter, nor do our opinions.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 22:14 | 4745459 August
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This is why the bombing campaign against Serbia and "the duty to protect" was such a dangerous break with the Westphalian principle of national sovereignty. 

You see, the USA and "the international community" now have a duty to intevene at any time, in any place where a group, or cause, exists that they feel inclined to support.  This is a not-so-subtle way of re-stating international law as the law of the jungle.  The strong will do as they will, and the weak will suffer what they must, but now it's nicely candy-coated, so we can all feel good about incinerating those who get in the way of the NWO.

America is doing great things in the East!

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