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New Snowden Document Implies NSA May Be Putting Israel's Security Ahead of America's
The following leaked slide from Edward Snowden was released today by Glenn Greenwald in his new book, No Place to Hide:
If you can't read the slide, it says:
Balancing the SIGINT exchange equally between US and Israeli needs has been a constant challenge in the last decade, it arguably tilted heavily in favor of Israeli security concerns. 9/11 came, and went, with NSA's only true Third Party CT relationship being driven almost totally by the needs of the partner.
That is a stunning statement. It implies that the signals intelligence exchange between the American and Israeli governments has been driven almost entirely by the NSA giving information to the Israelis, instead of Israel giving information to the U.S. ... even though we were the ones attacked on 9/11.
Remember, the raw data on American citizens collected by the NSA is shared with Israel. As the Guardian reported in September:
The National Security Agency routinely shares raw intelligence data with Israel without first sifting it to remove information about US citizens, a top-secret document provided to the Guardian by whistleblower Edward Snowden reveals.
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According to the agreement, the intelligence being shared would not be filtered in advance by NSA analysts to remove US communications. “NSA routinely sends ISNU [the Israeli Sigint National Unit] minimized and unminimized raw collection”, it says.
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A much stricter rule was set for US government communications found in the raw intelligence. The Israelis were required to “destroy upon recognition” any communication “that is either to or from an official of the US government“. Such communications included those of “officials of the executive branch (including the White House, cabinet departments, and independent agencies), the US House of Representatives and Senate (member and staff) and the US federal court system (including, but not limited to, the supreme court)”.
This not only raises major privacy concerns for American citizens, but it might mean that Israel is spying on the American Congress and other high-level politicians.
We have nothing against Israel, but - as American citizens - we want our intelligence agencies to put the American people and American security first.
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Phew! There for a while I was starting to think John Hagee might just be a Shabbats Goy!
Sarc
Wow! What a provocative comment.
Although there's some truth in it be careful. I left the Church 5-6 years ago after attending 2-3 times a week for over 20 years because of this concern.
People are being misled as they are by CNN, CNBC, ABC, CBS, FOX etc and the masses are generally sheep.. I'm not doing a very good job in disputing your remarks so I'll add that the avg Conservative Christian wants to protect Jews who they feel are unfairly persecuted time and time again.. and there is also an apocalyptic angle in it...
As I mock at those who say don't lump all Jews in, I would like to ask that you try not to lump all Christians into this conspiracy... lol
BOW to 'LEPER MESSIAH'!
Preach it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm71Khu5-Lk
"YEAH, THUS, thou shalt surely be confined to the ETERNAL FLAMES of HEY-LL for your seditious statements!"
Let us never entertain wild conspiracy theories, regarding the events of 9/11.
Impetulistic game, stinking drunk with POWER...
(Oh, sorry. I was commenting about the obvious deflection of this thread by 'redwater')
Lie, lie, lie, LIE... (that's it)
Let's play the 'false logic' game, shall we?
SOME people who profess to be 'christian' are ALSO supporters of the Apartied State of Israel (like John Hagee, that obese pig-eating fuck).
THEREFORE, ALL 'so-called' christians are BAD.
SOLUTION:
KILL them ALL.
Oh, 'REDWATER'?
Are you listening?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IGvErXXEK0
TELL US ALL: WHAT so-called 'religion' fo YOU espouse to, HUH, boi? Let's ALL see, and then you can try to defend YOUR so-called 'beliefs', and try to propose YOUR 'better solution'.
NO, I know you won't. YOU are a PUSSY hiding behind your momma's keyboard, making up non-sequitor crap for so-called 'mass consumption'.
WHO do you think that I AM?
(CLUES: NOT YOUR BITCH,... )
I downvoted you for your incomprehensible gibberish.
I upvoted you for Metallica.
These people are not Christians; Christians are followers of Christ, and only the misdirected would connect a man like John Hagee to the followers of Christ:
Hagee: The preacher who wants open season on the world’s Muslims in order to bring peace to the Middle East is arguably Israel’s best friend in America.
And he says he wants the United States to “turn the Israeli Defense Forces loose and have a total victory in the Middle East for peace that will last.” John Hagee by his own words is Stalin’s kind of holy man: Kill all the enemy and, voila, then no enemy.
Stalin: “Death is the solution to all problems. No man—no problem.”
Hagee when in Washington, D.C., this past July 22-24 was surrounded by his Israeli security guard team, there to spend a day lobbying for Israel at the U.S. Capitol, backed by a gathering of 4000 of his “Christians" United for Israel (CUFT).
Jesus: "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit." -- Matthew 7: 15-17
My point exactly again. Conservative Christian= stupid white people sucking jews' asses. pathetic.
Concur!
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/apocalypse/ (Americans standing by, while their country collapses, because the Bible told them so...wow, just wow).
Deprogramming schools should be created and opened ASAP for every level of every sector of modern society in order to preserve the species. We are on the brink of extinction, or at least a life worth living is coming to an abrupt halt if someone does not do something.
I've been trying to rationalize what has precipitated the rise of neoNazism in Ukraine and it hasn't made any sense, certainly not in the context that it sprang from any movement toward Westernization, but it's what the Jewish controlled MSM has been selling us, and Ukraine has the CIA/Mossad MO written all over it so now I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. In my lifetime the only people resurrecting discussions around Fascism and Nazism have been the Jews, mostly to keep alive and perpetuate their Holocaust mythologies in the public's mind, and ironically the only true examples of Nazism I've witnessed are the despicable ways the Jews have treated their Arab residents and Turkish and Palestinian neighbors, bulldozing their homes and orchards and killing protesters.
They tried to get us involved in their wars with Syria and Lebanon back in the fifties; they tried to fool us into attacking Nassar in Egypt. Recently its been the Iranians they've urged us to wage war on. Well, funny thing about this? Egyptians don't consider themselves Arabs. Iranians are Persians, not Arabs. These Zionists want us to sacrifice the lives of our kids to fight for what has become a blatant land grab of territories across the Middle East, Northern Africa and Mediterranean basin and now in countries surrounding the Black and Caspian Seas. Every facet of their being is dedicated to the pursuit of power and wealth. Can any Jew reading this tell me anything Jews have done to encourage peace and goodwill and mutual respect and prosperity among the people of any other nations? Certainly not ours. One thing for sure, our elected officials no longer represent the people of this country. They represent Tel Aviv, Bavaria, Brussels and themselves alone.
There are plenty of Israelis who do not agree with what their government does. Israel is a great example of how a nation under seige, or percieving itself to be, tends to elect hard-right leaders. That is why fascist leadership emerges in troubled times.
But please don't say it's "the jews"...this is something seen in ALL nations. Not all 'jews' march in lock-step, and it would be a shame to lump a lot of fine people in with the assholes.
"Not all 'jews' march in lock-step, and it would be a shame to lump a lot of fine people in with the assholes."
Then TAKE CARE OF THE ASSHOLES.
I find nothing surprising about this article. The jews owned america and we all know it.
What's surprising is the white people, those who were charged at one time, would relinquish their power to the jews? Very puzzling indeed. Why be a slave when you can be a master.
Now to see these white people sucking jewish asses at every election is just amazing and nauseating at the same time. One must have a strong stomach to see such behaviors; one might even think that these white people are not real people because who can kiss jewish asses so blatantly.
At the end of the day, you deserve what you get, or better yet your children deserve what you give them
People who own a paper money printing machine, own your Country.
Assassins R Us working for the money printers is readily available when bribes don't work.
Payback is a bitch.
Israel's own role in 9/11 fully explains its reticence in providing intelligence to NSA on the 9/11 perpetrators, especially in light of the fact that a number of Israelis were arrested in the U.S. for suspicion of being involved in the actual attack.
Yep, those Saudias of 9/11 really happily lick their Jewish masters.
We have nothing against Israel, but - as American citizens - we want our intelligence agencies to put the American people and American security first.
Anyone who considers themself a citizen... thereby makes themself a slave, and sanctions the abuses they suffer at the hands of "official" predators.
OPT-OUT... or better yet, young folks, never opt-in.
Parents: NEVER GET A BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR YOUR KIDS or otherwise register them with any government agency... or ANY agency for that matter. Doing so literally agrees to make them slaves. Not kidding.
It's a quid pro quo - Israel probably supplies NSA with just as much data - on Americans and others. Of course neither side really gives the other side unfiltered data, you can never really trust a spy and that goes both ways.
do you write simpleton code as well ?
I have concluded that Israel was actively involved in the planning for and carrying out of the 9/11 attacks, using Saudi agents, as well as Arab dupes as cover.
Yes they were.
I've spent many years examining every bit of evidence I could find and your conclusion is the only possible explanation. I'd say there were also elements of the Deep State involved (Cheney and Rumsfeldt were up to their scrawny necks in it). If anyone tells you that they've deeply studied the subject and believe the official version, well that person is a liar.
i've wondered how anyone could study it for five minutes and not have serious questions
Satan-yahoo predicted 9/11 would be very good for Israel, good call bro
Love the handle Squid Vicious!
And this comes as a surprise to who?
In addition to this, America has given Israel priority access to the US strategic oil reserves which means that if the US needs the oil and Israel needs the oil...Israel gets the oil and the US gets the Dick...As usual.
For anybody doubting this, just look up the 1975 Second Sinai withdrawal document. In an emergency the U.S. is obligated to make oil available for sale to Israel for up to 5 years.
With friends like Israel, who needs Cancer?
They don't just spy on us, they protect the crooks within our govt by deleting or screening out criminal activities by their allies within our govt.
Thats been obvious since 11/22/1963.
Yet GW thinks this news is "stunning."
There is not a large enough facepalm to express my sentiment as to how one can keep looking so hard, yet remain so blind to the obvious.
stunning? hardly.
read nietzsche concerning the "question".
at the end, just before the collapse, there will be a thousand thousand thousand "speculators", maggots, cockroaches, and chosen parasites all of them feeding on the tottering corpse.
smells kosher to me.
you're late to the party, George, but Gawd bess you for getting there. Bear in mind that Israeli [Mossad] companies ere allowed tobuild the networks, as well.
http://www.wired.com/2012/04/shady-companies-nsa/all/1
At what point does "The ZOG's" splendid obviousness get people to acknowledge that an Israeli 5th column, (mostly Jewish but certainly enabled in the polls and the teevee by millions of "Christian" Zionists) has embedded itself in ou government, media, banking institutions and intelligence agencies {DHS perhaps most of all, DIA least of all}??
It's no longer cute. All they mean to do is use US blood and treasure to attack and weaken Israel's competitors while benefitting Israel, while making connected, Zionist Jews even more of an elite in the "5 eyes" as well as France, South Africa, and elsewhere.
Have you given any thought to how powerful Jewish/Israel lobbies are transnationally? Clearly, the people involved in such groups are primrily loyal to an transnational ethnoreligous group, and the colonizing, nuclear rogue nation-state of those people.
Here's what I'd ask you to ponder, before my inevitable banning - given how dangerous this is, given what and where Israel is - why will it be virtually not covered in the MSM?
The fucking answers is fucking staring you in the fucking face - you just aren't brave enough to think it, and not eloquent enough to transmit the nuance that, no, it is not "all Jews" or even "all Israelis" -but it sure is a lot of them, and they mean to get lots and lots of people killed.
Read up on the Oded Yinon plan - that is in play because Israel's ultranationalists and Jewish supremacists are in charge.
http://frictionfacts.org/?p=1351
and read up on the neocon ideology - the unvarnished tale of the school of thought as such. It was and is plainly both Jewish and Zionist in origin and teleology.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html
You have to imagine the world, not as a regular, decent person, but as a kind of Raskolnikov - the genuine sociopathy of your global leaders, for whom hundreds of thousands of dead is nothing. Israel wants "living space" - and it wants to use US blood and treasure to do it.
Thank you for putting that out there for others to analyze and study.
It is a powder keg.
Apparently the tribe is well in control of Wikipedia, where Oded Yinon does not appear!
Huh. Can't trust nuthin' anymore.
Except the comments to ZH articles!
There are different thresholds at work. The same statement about group A being perceived as less "racist" than an analogous statement about group B.
I don't think non-Jewish billionaires, say, have my best interests at heart either. But I should be able to say things that are true - such as most oligarchs in Russia under Yeltsin being Jewish. Or most, it seems, Ukrainian oligarchs now - which is remarkable given how small a % they are. I think it worth commenting on and about - but the idea seems to be any discussion of Jewish power/influence is per se anti-Semitism, and that analysis is absolutely nonsense - and it's worth being "the anti-Israel" guy about it because the Israel which has its tentacles deep in the Deep State isn't just a foreign country - it is an expansionist, apartheid, nuclear rogue ethnarchy that spies on the US more than any other state and is actively trying to get the US to fight its wars for it - essentially, that was Iraq, certainly for the neocons.
I'm not advocating quotas, or advancing conspiracy theories devoid of evidence, or saying anyone is automatically x, y, or z because of ethnic origin or their parents' religion - none of that.
I'm saying Israel is a lunatic state run by a far-right, and essentially Jewish Supremacist cabal with nukes, they want more land and water, and like-minded Jews in the US, a minority of the set of all Jews - are a serious danger to peace and national security. It would be no better or worse if it were ethnic Arabs, Turks, or Mongols in the same power position. But it happens to be a Jewish state with a well-organized and very wealthy diaspora.
Yet before Iraq, they were allowed to create the OSP in the Pentagon, men with no intelligence or miliary background, and no one was allowed to say "hey, this is a bunch of right wing Zionist Jews with ties to Israel making an end run around the CIA and other agencies"
Nutshell - the fear of being called a name designed to obfuscate power, theft, and crime is, at the end of the day, going to lead to the death of many tens of thousands of people - most of them civilians. You either think that's okay, or you don't.
The average Israeli wants fuck all to do with the Oded Yinon plan.... the problem is ultra-Zionists and Jewish Supremacists run the show. For fucks' sake, the things chief rabbis on the state payroll get away with saying about non-Jews is fuckin' stunning... but more stunning is the almost complete lack of coverage in the media. Media silence isn't merely because of "direct" Jewish ownership and management, but the "indirect" power of groups like the ADL and SPLC etc. etc. etc. which frighten and terrify news editors away from anything critical of Israel or Jews - no matter how reprehensible, true, or important.
It's going to bite a lot of people in the ass. Lots and lots of preventable deaths.
It fucking bothers me.
I agree with your summary, Mr. Delicious. However, it "bothers me" more because I believe you are grossly understating the situation when you say that "going to lead to the death of many tens of thousands of people - most of them civilians." The runaway systems of debt slavery generating numbers that are debt insanities are going to provoke death insanities. It is not merely going to be "tens of thousands," it is headed towards becoming BILLIONS!
What also "bothers me" is the degree of deeper success in brainwashing people to believe in bullshit about the death controlling murder systems, backing up the debt controlling money systems. The degree to which civilization is almost totally dominated by entrenched deceits and frauds, which were made and maintained by the ruling classes, which simultaneously required brainwashing the vast majority of people to believe in bullshit religions and ideologies, which enable them to deliberately ignore the basic social and biological facts, drives civilization as a whole to become criminally insane, in the sense of psychotically disconnected from the relatively objective social and biological facts.
It is practically impossible for our civilization to engage in any rational political debates about our chronic political problems, because those problems were resolved by the history of warfare, in which success was based on deceits, which then became the basis for the history of economics, in which success was based on frauds.
All together, the inability of people ruled over to face the facts about those who rule over them also means that they are ALL entangled in the established social taboos, which make it impossible for ALL of them to discuss their problems any more intelligently, since almost everything that already exists in the entrenched established systems was based on a long history of triumphant deceits, and frauds, whereby those who were the rulers were able to create a culture in those who were ruled over, which TOGETHER repeats their beliefs in bullshit, and wants to believe in bullshit.
All together, the combined ways that the whole system works, with BOTH the rulers, and those they rule over, operating through fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems, and murder systems based on the maximum possible deceits, is that the CHRONIC POLITICAL PROBLEMS, which always exist, and must be perpetually resolved somehow, are being resolved in the most criminally insane ways.
The kinds of ruling classes that we have now are equally matched by those they rule over, in BOTH being criminally insane, in their degree of maintaining attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards the relatively objective social and biological facts, because the whole system, which BOTH are components participating WITHIN, was develop on the basis of prolonged triumphs of deceitful death controls, and fraudulent debt controls, which make any more rational resolutions of the CHRONIC POLITICAL PROBLEMS become practically impossible to achieve. Therefore, ALL of our deeper real problems are automatically getting worse, faster, at an exponential rate, while practically nothing can prevent that from happening. The same as that it is a taboo topic, and practically impossible from a political point of view, to criticize those who rule, it is almost just as impossible to criticize their controlled opposition, and those that are ruled over, which ALL tend to be just as full of bullshit.
The basic structure of the social pyramid systems of Neolithic Civilization, pumped up by technologies which are trillions of times more powerful, has become lies, backed by violence, which are trillions of times BIGGER than ever before in human history. The CHRONIC POLITICAL PROBLEMS which always exist, because they are inherent in the nature of life, are being currently resolved by the established systems in the most deceitful and fraudulent ways possible, which makes any more rational debate about those problems practically impossible. That is my overview of the problems regarding taboo topics. The weapons of mass destruction, and weapons of mass surveillance, are being directed to advance criminally insane purposes, while any rational debate about how to better resolve the CHRONIC POLITICAL PROBLEMS, WHICH MUST BE RESOLVED, is relatively impossible, inside of circumstances where almost all of the basic social and biological facts are taboo topics!
How did Jewish influence in the United States translate into Israeli control? Answer: It costs money, and that money was provided by the conversion of America’s banking system into a cartel system initially involving the world’s wealthiest families, largely Jewish.
Perhaps there is no better explanation of what this money created out of nothing and owned by the Federal Reserve is buying than is provided by G. Edward Griffin, author of the famous Federal Reserve revelation, The Creature From Jekyll Island.
On the Fed money:
“You are led to the question of where is this river flowing? Where's it going? … They're not accumulating it at all. What are they spending it for? The answer may surprise you. They're not buying more yachts and mansions with this money; they've already got all of those they possibly want. … That's not it. When a person has all the wealth that you could possibly want for the material pleasures of life, what is left? Power. They are using this river of wealth to acquire power over you and me and our children.
"They are spending it to acquire control over the power centers of society. The power centers are those groups and institutions through which individuals live and act and rely on for their information. They are literally buying up the world but not the real estate and the hardware, they're buying control over the organizations, the groups and institutions that control people. In other words, to be specific, they are buying control over politicians, political parties, television networks, cable networks, newspapers, magazines, publishing houses, wire services, motion picture studios, universities, labor unions, church organizations, trade associations, tax-exempt foundations, multi-national corporations, boy scouts, girl scouts, you name it…this is where those people have been for many decades spending this river of wealth to acquire operational control particularly over those institutions and individuals, those organizations that represent opposition to themselves….”
http://www.bigeye.com/griffin.htm
+1000 JR
So far, Snowden's stuff only continues to confirm what anyone previously interested had already discovered was the case. The only thing changed was slightly more attention paid to the situation than previously.
As Jeff Rense has often said:
THE FACTS ARE THE FACTS.
I tend to refer to the currently dominate gang of criminals that most control the world, and push their agenda forward, as being the "Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire." Although I tend to think that the word "Jew" is misleading, and therefore, relatively useless or worse, I nevertheless think it is plainly obvious that the government of the USA has been effectively taken over by international bankers, as the biggest gangsters, that took control over the monetary system of the USA.
The banksters gradually transformed the American monetary system from being backed by gold and silver, whose value was set by Congress, into "money" made out of nothing as debts by private banks. The American history of how that happened has been relatively well-documented by many historians. People can discover more details about how that happened, IF they want to bother. The majority of people who post comments on Zero Hedge appear to be already relatively aware of that history. (I think that the quote cited by JR above is one of the most important insights: the funding to CONTROL THE OPPOSITION!)
However, merely understanding that the government of the USA has become almost totally systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, as the enforced frauds of a debt slavery system, backed by wars based on deceits, does not do much! The basic system of dishonesty & destruction, made & maintained by the ruling classes, still operates, and is still practically impossible to change: THE OPPOSITION IS ALREADY ALMOST TOTALLY CONTROLLED!
While it is obvious that "Jews" are way more common in the ruling classes than their relative population size, there is no general agreement about what to do about that situation, and even less regarding what to do about the basic runaway social pyramid systems, which go all the way back through the history of Neolithic Civilization, metaphorically to "Babylon."
There seems to have been a vicious social spiral, whereby the abused become the abusers. Getting out of that vicious spiral probably can not be achieved through any more abuse! Although I tend to agree that the social facts are the social facts, I do NOT agree with that as being any kind of excuse for more abuse, to drive more of the vicious spirals of history, to get even worse. I believe that a greater use of information about the social facts should lead to a higher consciousness, which enable us all to get up out of the vicious ruts of abuse cycles that have been so common in human history.
I'll attach my comment to the smartest one in the thread
"Remember, the raw data on American citizens collected by the NSA is shared with Israel."
What about raw data on Europeans and others? It depends...
if it's collected by the Fourteen Eyes, it's shared among them (and ultimately Israel). If it's collected by the Nine Eyes, the same, in the smaller circle
If by the pivotal Five Eyes, again, the same... all going back to the nearly unknown UKUSA_Agreement
I understand that in order to create indignation and so political backlash it's important to confront Americans with the loss of their privacy... but the world is watching and taking note, too
Have you given any thought to how powerful Jewish/Israel lobbies are transnationally? Clearly, the people involved in such groups are primrily loyal to an transnational ethnoreligous group, and the colonizing, nuclear rogue nation-state of those people.
I don't know...could it be...SATAN
I was writing about this in 2008: Israel Companies Handle Sensitive U.S. Spying Data
I stand corrected, Sir - so you have.
Wouldn't it be a great deal simpler to point out ANY intelligence data obtained from OUTSIDE the United States has ZERO restrictions on its use even if it is ENTIRELY about American citizens?
This is true regardless of the American citizen's position in society, political influence or role within the American intelligence system.
If NSA takes the data from ANY source outside of America's borders, they can do whatever they want with it.
Very handy if you have a "You hack our data and we'll hack your data" agreement with other countries' intelligence agencies.
I fixed that for you:
New Snowden Document Proves NSA Puts Israel's Security Ahead of America'sfixed it for you
New Snowden Document Proves NSA Puts Israel's Agenda Ahead of America's
Just how stupid are we?
A question best asked of our glorious leader, President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.
So stupid we actually think we are smart. That's the stupidest of all stupid BTW...
But they hate you for your freedom, you know
One more time: "being driven almost totally by the needs of the partner." In other words, not only is the NSA conducting unconstitutional monitoring of U.S. ciitizens, but it gives that raw information gathered to the tribe. Clearly, we need another tribe member on the Federal Reserve Board because they sure don't need any more driving our political or military processes, and god only knows what would we do without the tribe controlling the media, politics and finance, let alone directing unconstitutional spying. Yep, we won't stop until every nook and cranny of our finance 'industry' and military 'intelligence' is directed by them and for their sole benefit. Sarc. off.