NSA Spying Is a Power Grab

George Washington's picture

Preface: Mass Surveillance Is Completely Unnecessary

Top security experts – including the highest-level government officials and the top university experts – say that mass surveillance actually increases terrorism and hurts security.

They say that our government failed to stop the Boston bombing because they were too busy spying on millions of innocent Americans instead of focusing on actual bad guys.

Moreover, high-level NSA executive Bill Binney - who created the agency’s mass surveillance program for digital information - made it easy for the NSA to catch bad guys without spying on innocent Americans … all while strengthening America against security breaches.

(Binney is a 32-year NSA veteran widely regarded as a “legend” within the agency. Binney was the senior technical director within the agency and managed thousands of NSA employees. Binney has been interviewed by virtually all of the mainstream media, including CBS, ABC, CNN, New York Times, USA Today, Fox News, PBS and many others.)

Binney's system automatically encrypted information about Americans ... but that information could be decrypted if a judge ordered that a specific American was a bad guy or was connected with a bad guy.

But after 9/11, the NSA instead switched to the current system which conducts mass surveillance on all Americans. Specifically, the system rolled out by the NSA after 9/11 used parts of Binney's system ... but stripped out all of the encryption which would have protected Americans' privacy absent a court order.

Why Did They Do It?

Why did the NSA switch from the privacy-protecting system which worked to catch terrorists to one that spied on all Americans in violation of their constitutional rights?

A very high-level congressional committee security staffer - Diane Roark - gave a hint on a Frontline show this month. Roark was the congressional staffer in charge of overseeing the NSA for the Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee.

Roark explains [ZH - I'd be grateful if someone tells me how to embed the linked video (it's Jwplayer) into an embedded video with start time and duration]:

NARRATOR: [Senior House Intelligence Committee staff between 1985-2002 Diane] Roark was summoned to the top deck at the NSA to meet with Director Hayden.

DIANE ROARK: My whole point in going there was to ask him why he had taken off the protections, the encryptions and the automated tracking. I asked this any number of times, and he always evaded answering. And I finally just decided I was not going to leave the room until I got an answer. And so I kept asking.

So about the fifth time, he looked down, and I remember he could not look me in the eye, and he said, “We have the power. We don’t need them.” And he made clear that the power he was referring to was the commander-in-chief’s chief’s wartime authority.

In other words, the Constitution was tossed out the window and all Americans have been subjected to Orwellian surveillance ever since – not because it’s necessary or even efficient – but simply because they decided that they had the raw power to do so.

Washington's Blog asked Roark to explain what the NSA chief meant when he told her that NSA had the power to ignore the Constitution. She explained (via email):

Article II Powers

General Hayden referred to the President's Article II powers [as commander-in-chief during wartime]. The Administration has defended these powers as allowing the President to override existing laws, and has said that the 2001 congressional Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) was in essence a declaration of war and thus allows him to do so. The AUMF has never been revoked, and this obviously is necessary to stop the practice. In its January 2006 White Paper defending the portion of the program that had leaked in the NYT, toward the end DOJ also argued that wartime surveillance did not have to be accomplished "in the lease intrusive manner possible," or words to that effect.

The use of Article II is continuing, despite extremely permissive legislation such as the PATRIOT Act and the FISA Amendment Act of 2008. While all eyes are focused on PA provisions 215 and 702, that fall under the FISA court, it appears that the great majority of the collection actually occurs under Executive Order 12333, invoking these Article II powers. Those powers are not subject to even the very weak FISA Court oversight (that was further eviscerated by the FAA in 2008). Regarding EO 12333, see Richard Clarke's testimony before Senate Judiciary 1/14/14 in answer to Sen. Chris Coons. Greenwald/Snowden documents also reference the EO.

I believe the executive prefers this even more secret exercise of power mostly because Americans would be rebellious if they knew the full extent of surveillance. Another reason for invoking them appears to have been Mr. Cheney's known determination to recover presidential powers, especially national security powers, that he believed were much weakened after Watergate; this issue was covered by Frontline. And of course the administration would claim it is because of the need for secrecy so terrorists would not take precautions -- although as Greenwald notes, there is now "nowhere to hide," at least to communicate electronically in privacy.

The exercise of these alleged powers appear to include, e.g.

- past torture and rendition practices

- massive "upstream" collection from fiber optic cables as referenced in Snowden documents and as revealed by Mark Klein in 1/06.

- massive postal mail surveillance Clarke testimony refers to “a great deal of metadata collected by the national security letter program.”

- amassing of government data on US persons. This is contrary to an explicit privacy law provision forbidding the practice, and apparently under an alleged national security exception other than that for air travel. See Julia Angwin, WSJ 12/12/12, http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324478304578171623040640006

- collection of citizen "business records" other than communications records.

- claiming state secrets to avoid regular (Article III) court review of such tactics, as well as withholding from these courts the source of evidence against defendants that was collected through such means, including "parallel construction" of a fake evidentiary trail to present during trial discovery. See e.g. Reuters 8/13, http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805. DOJ went so far as to allow the Solicitor General to lie (apparently unknowingly) to the Supreme Court about this.


One part of [Binney's system] that was critical to The Program [i.e. the NSA's unconstitutional mass surveillance system] after 9/11 was adopted but was significantly changed for the worse, both in design and in operational rules. This part, for instance, contained the software for encryption and for automated tracking of accesses to the collection files, and that code was deactivated.

Looking at the history of The Program, it is pretty clear that there were operational reasons why the software was deactivated and the Fourth Amendment skirted.

- First, they did not get any warrants initially and they did not want to have to get warrants. Even later when the program was "legalized," the government successfully insisted that it be allowed to obtain group rather than individual warrants for the material coming under FISC. As of FAA of 2008, the FISC could not turn down such a warrant request, although the Court could insist on modifying it.

- It is obvious that they wanted to be able to look at the identifying information of any US person communications or metadata that they collected

- the claim that they have only numbers and email addresses is quite disingenuous. They could easily go to the telcos and IT firms and ask for it, or provide them a National Security Letter that does not require a warrant, not to mention the availability to anyone of reverse white pages and the fact that many email addresses contain the user's name.

- The automated tracking of all accesses to the database was always opposed by analysts who feared their individual levels of productivity would be compared. But surely the main reason why the government deactivated it was so that there would not be a high probability that unauthorized use of the material would be detected. Otherwise, why would they deactivate a far less labor-intensive system that is not only efficient but also virtually foolproof (except maybe from abuse by a system administrator).

- Remember that the 12 unauthorized "Lovint" cases [where NSA employees were caught spying on love interests] were detected through routine polygraphs, or at least so I once read.

- Initially, if you recall, compliance was monitored only through a) paper files containing the authorizations to analyze US person communications that could be issued by 22 or so designated persons and b) the observation of human supervisors. This was what Hayden said in his 1/06 press conference, I believe, and it was often repeated thereafter. Snowden shows and NSA admits that in some cases all the analysts have to do is fill out a brief computerized form, choosing among "canned" rationales for access to a given file. Further, it has been admitted publicly that use of the data now extends beyond its initial confinement to counterterrorism.

- As the extensively-sourced Reuters article above indicates, this databased material already is being used for criminal cases and has been withheld from the courts -- so doubtless NSA does not want that practice to be automatically tracked.

- Further, Russell Tice has alleged that there are extremely compartmented sub-programs in which US opinion leaders and high-level officials are deliberately tracked. Again, NSA obviously would not want such activity to be subject to automated tracking.

Washington's Blog also asked senior NSA veteran Bill Binney why he thought NSA switched from an automatic privacy-protecting encryption program to its current dragnet. Binney told us:

When you drop the privacy protections, you are able to spy on all your political opponents and do the things that the IRS does plus get rid of people you don't want in government, like General Petraeus and General Allen and others like Elliot Spitzer, etc.

The data they used against Spitzer was from what I understand: phone calls, e-mail and money transactions. All part of this mass collection of data.

Others were confronted with their data too. Like [Pulitzer prize-winning New York Times investigative reporter] Jim Risen, [chief Fox News Washington correspondent] Jim Rosen, AP, Jesselyn Radack [former ethics adviser to the United States Department of Justice, and attorney for Edward Snowden, Thomas Drake and other high-level whistleblowers], the NSA whistleblowers Thomas Drake, Kirk Wiebbe, me, etc. In at least our case, they had a warrantless wire tap on us as early as May 2006.

Further, you can target Supreme Court Judges, other judges, Senators, Representatives, law firms and lawyers, and just anybody you don't like ... reporters included.

Not to mention the tea party and other politically active or wanna be's.

It also meant they did not have to go to the FISC [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court] to get a warrant to look into US citizens.

Spitzer - the tough New York Attorney General who went after corrupt bankers more than anyone since - was snared through the Patriot Act. Former CIA director General Petraeus was brought down when the government spied on his email communications. Binney has previously said that Petraeus seems to have gotten on the government's "enemies list", and was thus spied on ... and drummed out as CIA director. General Allen was also relieved of his position when his emails were leaked. The government has now admitted that it spied on the Associated Press. More.

Binney has also said that "We are now in a police state", because the government is "laundering" data generated by mass surveillance, to go after people that - for whatever reason - the government doesn't like. This is especially concerning because it is clear that mass surveillance is being used more to crush dissent than to stop terrorism. (And that's been true for 500 years. And see this).

Another high-level NSA whistleblower - Russel Tice (mentioned above by Diame Roark) - says that the NSA is spying on - and blackmailing - top government officials and military officers, including Supreme Court Justices, high-ranked generals, Colin Powell and other State Department personnel, and many other top officials. And see this:

He says the NSA started spying on President Obama when he was a candidate for Senate:

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Vuke's picture

A pertinent example of the old axiom:

"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"


Something is terribly awry in the WH.  




Vuke's picture




Sandmann's picture

Art 48 of the Weimar Constitution gave Adolf Hitler the power to circumvent the Constitution.......but the German Generals led by Beck did approach Neville Chamberlain to see if he would support them in a military coup to remove him.........but Britain did not approve of such things.......anyway, it is the US Generals that have the power to circumvent the US Constitution using powers Hitler did not have until Hindenburg died........

When will the US population take control of their Republic or will it be post-Nuclear Winter ?

Ghordius's picture

your change modus example would suppose... when US Generals lose faith in the civilian leadership? which leads to the question: did you pose the answer this way on purpose?

Polymarkos's picture

A power grab, eh? I'm glad we have these geniuses to tell us these things. We sure couldn't figure it out on our own.

ThisIsBob's picture

Its a jobs program, just like the war on drugs.

the grateful unemployed's picture

their economic policy is the war on jobs

Polymarkos's picture

Time to clear out the top of the tree where all the nasitest monkeys live.

Sandmann's picture

the higher the monkey climbs the more you see his bottom

Polymarkos's picture

And the harder his shit hits when it reaches you.

deerhunter's picture

obamas schedule yesterday available at whitehouse.gov I believe.  1230 lunch with Joe Biden.  730pm,  DNC fund raising dinner.  Where does one sign up for that kind of "work" schedule for 400K a year?  And unlimited golf apparently as well.  170 rounds to date.  

orangegeek's picture

they made 2008 into a black white election


the reality was that color covered up the push to a socialist/nazi state


MSM let it happen

Son of Captain Nemo's picture

Nice work GW

Thought I'd raise the bar a little higher with a great read from Chris Bollyn on why 9/11 is the only option.  "Truth" that is.

None of this will ever resonate in the publics mind because they don't care or never cared in their lifetime that this government is the most unlawful and corrupt in history when placing it at the feet of Constitution. Every attorney, judge, legislator and Commander-in-Chief swore and oath to protect and defend it but that doesn't matter to the majority in this Country -especially the ones that are willing to die for it in Eastern Europe, soldier of fortune or not.

We might as well forget the notion that anyone will ever have the courage on suing the Federal Government over the official narrative that was administered by the likes of Lee Hamilton, Tom Keane, and Bob Kerry who were all duplicitously the water boys that carried the lies for the monied interests.


When you get the chance please write one about Mike Hayden's involvement on the cover up of the "nuke" that went missing at Minot Air Force base and the 8 men that paid with their lives for attempting to stop both he and Dick Cheney from making it disappear!

Son of Captain Nemo's picture

And boy does this one just frame the picture nicely of the average American when it comes to speaking to "power"... 

Should we surmise that this jury of our peers is a rigged one and that they all collectively just won the "lottery"!



Dewey Cheatum Howe's picture

Looks like Greenwald is working the publicity angle for his new book coming out. This just in from his new media gig.


The National Security Agency is secretly intercepting, recording, and archiving the audio of virtually every cell phone conversation on the island nation of the Bahamas.

According to documents provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, the surveillance is part of a top-secret system – code-named SOMALGET – that was implemented without the knowledge or consent of the Bahamian government. Instead, the agency appears to have used access legally obtained in cooperation with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration to open a backdoor to the country’s cellular telephone network, enabling it to covertly record and store the “full-take audio” of every mobile call made to, from and within the Bahamas – and to replay those calls for up to a month.

SOMALGET is part of a broader NSA program called MYSTIC, which The Intercept has learned is being used to secretly monitor the telecommunications systems of the Bahamas and several other countries, including Mexico, the Philippines, and Kenya. But while MYSTIC scrapes mobile networks for so-called “metadata” – information that reveals the time, source, and destination of calls – SOMALGET is a cutting-edge tool that enables the NSA to vacuum up and store the actual content of every conversation in an entire country.

All told, the NSA is using MYSTIC to gather personal data on mobile calls placed in countries with a combined population of more than 250 million people. And according to classified documents, the agency is seeking funding to export the sweeping surveillance capability elsewhere.


In addition, the program is a serious – and perhaps illegal – abuse of the access to international phone networks that other countries willingly grant the United States for legitimate law-enforcement surveillance. If the NSA is using the Drug Enforcement Administration’s relationship to the Bahamas as a cover for secretly recording the entire country’s mobile phone calls, it could imperil the longstanding tradition of international law enforcement cooperation that the United States enjoys with its allies.


Dewey Cheatum Howe's picture

The bigger story in this article is not the NSA but how all the telecoms have been systematically weakened for 'lawful' (their weasel word to get around the idea that legality has nothing to do with it since legal is not always lawful).


For nearly two decades, telecom providers in the United States have been legally obligated under the 1994 Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act to build their networks with wiretapping capabilities, providing law enforcement agencies with access to more efficient, centrally managed surveillance.

Since CALEA’s passage, many countries have adopted similar measures, making it easier to gather telecommunications intelligence for international investigations. A 2001 working group for the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime went so far as to urge countries to consider permitting foreign law enforcement agencies to initiate international wiretaps directly from within their own territories.

The process for setting up lawful intercepts in foreign countries is largely the same as in the United States. “Law enforcement issues a warrant or other authorization, a carrier or a carrier’s agent responds to the warrant by provisioning the intercept, and the information is sent in sort of a one-way path to the law enforcement agency,” says Marcus Thomas, a former FBI assistant director who now serves as chief technology officer for Subsentio.


See what is going on here and how the real owners of the empire are exerting their invisible hand in steering things.

the grateful unemployed's picture

the CIA has intended to take over the government since they killed JFK. other than running a few rogue operations, and installing some puppet regimes in DC, they haven't accomplished that much. at least the CIA is relatively independent, unlike the Federal Reserve and the FBI. if you ask well who runs the CIA? that would have to be the global mulitinational corporations, which goes right back to United Fruit in central america 100 years ago. as for the mulits its not hard to know what they want, one global economy (and a government to match) it could be EIA, Earth Intelligence Agency. they will control all your access to commoditized goods and services. thats all they want

nathan1234's picture

GW- So what are Americans doing about all this?

You appear to be trying to put sense into dumb Americans.

But the problem is they are becoming Dumber

( I am talking of the average American of course- the so called base of Americam society)


Umh's picture

A bureaucracy is not monitored or held accountable for decades and keeps getting bigger. I'm not surprised by this.

Jumbotron's picture

Welcome to Prison Planet.  There is absolutely nothing anyone can do at this point.  There are not enough of you to matter.....the VAST majority of American Sheeple are too busy just trying to survive their little feudalistic lives.  They're much more worried over little Johnnie's ability to get a corporate wage slave job.....or land that next American Idol gig.....or make the 1st round draft pick....than they are of freedom.

When the Europeans give more of a shit about privacy...


.....than we who fought a Revolution to throw off the shackles of European feudalism, then you know things are completely FUBARed and upside down...for good.

Besides....by the number of selfies and cell phone porn we produce every day......we kinda LIKE the NSA to watch.

F em all but 6's picture

Look. Liberty, property, freedom, and all their constitutional protections and processes are the rule. But for every rule, there are exceptions. These exceptions do not create the rule, but in form and substance, walk around the rule for the very lack of rights within.


The courts can stop all of this if properly activated. Executive orders are subordinate to constitutional guaruntees. But only if the courts find you in a position to stand on those guaruntees. And this is the key to everything. Define the right and then point out the constitutional protection of that right. THEN, look at the regulatory framework that created the exception that ties the hands of the courts. What you are going to find is the unconstitutional extension of a political/economic power into an area it has no business being applied to. Understand that once these powers are extended, the courts take an absolute HANDS OFF approach to their exercise under separation of powers. Its up to us, the citizen to deconstruct. Trace the source back to its foundation and then show the court within the regulatory frame work WHY the political branches cannot extent these powers into an area involving civil liberties because once so exercised, they lock the courts and thus the constitution out of reach. They DENY due process of law.

Ying-Yang's picture

GW... thank you, for all that you do!

People piss and moan and you put it out there for all to read and draw their own conclusions.

You are a Patriot, leader and a good friend of Liberty

Keep the faith and watch your back.

junction's picture

I am still waiting to find out more about that front wheel landing carriage found last year pinned between two buildings on Park Row near the World Trade Center.  A total news blackout now about identifying that carriage.  Why, unless it didn't come from a 767 jet? 

Lookout Mountain's picture

The NSA and CIA are unassailable by any normal means. They know enough on everybody to stop normal dissent. Snowden made them stronger, not weaker. But they can't stop the demise of the dollar and all of its effects.

ATM's picture

Stop the demise and and all of its effects?

They a laying the ground work because they are banking on it! TPTB know full well our debt based system is overand its going to create the biggest worldwide clusterfuck in history.

What these assholes are doing is building the framework of a worldwide totalitarian regime. They have the spying down. They are edukating the masses to want it.

Now it is only for the generalized panic, the scapegoating of the normal actors, the profiteers, hoarders, greedy, and all other manner of individuals to be painted as devils to be exterminated so that everyone can live in peace and prosperity and fart rainbows.

Never let a crisis go to waste.

RazvanM's picture

Funny how Russia plays the bad guy when is necessary for the West.

Grouchy Marx's picture

Russia (read: Putin) IS a bad guy. 

The West is not limited to only one bad guy; unfortunately, at the moment the worst of the bad guys faced by the West is its leadership over the past hundred or so years, and especially now. 

"We have met the enemy, and he is us."

SAT 800's picture

NSA spying is a power grab ?" Really ? how amazing. Gee, do you think the Gestapo had any ability to grab power for the rulers in the Third Reich; or was it really just a state security agency? Did you figure this out all by yourself ?

kchrisc's picture

The bigger picture about the revelations about the NSA's spying is that it is really a power grab by the CIA power-wing of the DC US against the Pentagon power-wing. The two, and their elite controllers, like in the late 60s and all of the 70s, are locked in a death match.


Sidenote: Benghazi was mostly about Egypt and Syria. The CIA took down the Pentagon's man in Egypt and then took over Libya. The CIA was then using Libya as the main conduit and depot for feeding arms into Syria and Egypt. To protect their guy in Syria and to stop the flow of arms into Egypt, the Pentagon facilitated Benghazi. They then took out the CIA's guy in Egypt and put their new guy in.

fridgeman101's picture

Speaking in terms of survelliance and human rights, this country is no better then China or Russia. All of our rights are just smoke and mirrors these days.

Aussiekiwi's picture

You never had any rights, only privileges, ask any US citizen of Japanese origin at the start of WW2 where their rights went as they were bundled up into camps

Aussiekiwi's picture

yeah, its amazing what you can end up voting into power over the years, congratulations.

I don't have a lot of sympathy, if you voted red or blue your part of the problem and you got what you voted for, because none of this shit was very hard to see coming. The only thing recently that has still been capable of surprising me is the US government and Obama supporting a neo Nazi government in the Ukraine...so I guess I'm still a little gullible.

People over here are jumping up and down  about the tough budget that Tony just bought in, I say to them, you knew what he was like when you voted for him, stop whining, what did you expect Mary Poppins?

Aussiekiwi's picture

In case your wondering if it will get worse, biometric scanning will be compulsory for everyone, it is just around the corner, you wont be able to use a computer, phone or any electronic device without identifying yourself first, either by fingerprints, pupil scanning or a chip implant, plus extensive restrictions on what sites you can access.


So you just keep voting red or blue and this is what you are voting for.

Total control means no dissent.

Winston Churchill's picture

Retina scanning is already happening at Florida DMV's for license renewals.
Never saw a word in the MSM about it.Found out from a client.

NickVegas's picture

You lost me at "stop the Boston bombing". That is all.

doctor10's picture

Capital is worthless in the USA today.

For 200 years America was the most profitable place to sow money in the world. All because of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights-upheld by the Rule of Law.

In the absence of that, America is nothing. Capital is worthless-and we are on the fast track to the Third World.

These  fuckerz can go to their graves having partaken of the destruction of the best thing ever to happen to humankind.



AdvancingTime's picture

Many Americans have begun to view Snowden as more  of a whistle-blower rather then as a traitor as the White House tried to paint him. Interestingly a gender gap emerges on how people see the government’s anti-terrorism programs with men being more inclined to think the government has gone to far, it also seems that younger voters, those in their twenties are appalled by the intrusions into our privacy.  

What may be more important is the shift among Republicans, the percentage who said government has gone overboard in restricting civil liberties in the fight against terrorism grew to 41 percent in the new poll, this compares with 17 percent three years ago. When you join this group with far right Democrats that are antiwar and adverse to the fascist tendencies of government and with Libertarians who want "less government" the number of people opposed to these programs become quite sizable. As we go forward a question that may and should become the focus of the debate is, what is the actual cost in dollars of these programs. More on this subject below.


TheBigComic's picture

I'm ok with NSA spying as long as their database is open source to all and everyone is in it. Then hopefully the meek inherit the earth.

TheBigComic's picture

Thanks for the down votes, Sorry forgot /sarc ... thought it was obvious.

The thought was a bit deeper than the responses.

Bollixed's picture

You voted for Obama twice, didn't you...

earnyermoney's picture

and Clinton twice while foaming at the mouth while Shrub was in office.

bilbert's picture

If there is any hope for the citizens of the U.S. - history will correctly identify Snowden as a true Patriot.

The framers of the Constitution carefully set things up so our citizens had  unequivocal rights to Privacy, and our elected government officials had maximum transparency, and accountability for their actions, to our citizenry.

Things have gone full retard in the scheme of things, where the citizens now have NO expectation of privacy, and elected officials have no transparency OR accountability, and pretty much display outright disdain for the citizens, while worshipping at the altar of "Corporate Citizens".

I'm seriously thinking of starting a grass roots campaign to bring this reversal of Constitutional values to the attention of our citizenry, but Dancing with the Stars is on in in 5 minutes.

I'll get back to you on this................


teslaberry's picture

this is an understatment. women are consumerist SHEEP. 

period. women on average are 90% less likely to use critical thinking skills on the social framework built around them. 


they can do well in a classroom when they are spoonfed 'problems' to dwell upon. they cannot take apart the reality they are conditioned to trust very well at all compared to men. 


face it . men and women are sheep. but women are just that much more suseptible to propoganda than men are. it's their nature....


moneybots's picture

"men and women are sheep. but women are just that much more suseptible to propoganda than men are. it's their nature...."


Everyone is susceptible to propaganda. It is in the nature of everyone.


You can fool all of the people some of the time.  You can fool some of the people all of the time.  But you can't fool all of the people all of the time.


FeralSerf's picture

"You can fool all of the people some of the time. You can fool some of the people all of the time. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

The goal is to implement the 80-20 rule. You can fool 80% all the time and you can round up, thanks to their intelligence programs, the other 20% and deactivate (kill, imprison, impoverish, audit, etc) them.

It looks as if they've got a good chance of being successful at creating their fascist totalitarian oligarchy-owned-and-operated puppet dictatorship.

teslaberry's picture

bros-----------one exception (your mom) does not nullify the generalizatoin. 


my 90% figure is pulled out of my ass but for every 100 people only about 20 have any hope of using critical  thinking in life. out of that 10 . at least 15 are men. 


when i saw critical thinking, i mean========figuring out things for themselves without being told what to do. 


arguably 20 out of 100 is an absurdly high figure. it's arguable more like 5 out of 100 human beings can think for themselves. 


finally the money bots point is the best. these stats i quote are ridiculous in so much as yes we are all suseptible to some extent or other. i make a caricature of human qualities by saying some people 'have' them and some 'don't' . people are not widgets to be tossed in buckets. agreed. i too question much of my own thinking at times. 


that said.. .sheeple do exist. and at the end of the day, your heuristics are necessary to divide the sheeple from the sheepards.

jus' sayin. 


oh yea , and women......as for their difference from men----------women are wired to have children. their brains ARE DIFFERENT than male brains in some ways. 


concern for "children" and the desire to create a family are SUBSTANTIAL motivations. and they guide the mentality of how women think. and in doing so , separate men from women. 


but please, go on and explain to me how men and women are completely the same in every way........