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Bush’s Anti-Terror Chief: Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld Can Be Tried at the Hague for the War Crimes They Committed In Iraq

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Bush’s top counter-terrorism official for his first year as president – Richard Clarke – tells Democracy Now that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld committed war crimes in Iraq … and that they can be tried at the Hague:

 

(Clarke retired in protest at the start of the Iraq war.) Clarke is right:

  • Indeed, it is not too late to charge Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld for war crimes even under American law

And – as odd as it may sound – it’s not too late to impeach Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld … even though they have are no longer in office.

Of course, Obama is also committing war crimes.  For example, the Obama administration has ordered numerous indiscriminate drone strikes … which are war crimes (more here and here).  And torture is also apparently continuing under Obama. See this and this.

And Obama should also be impeached.

 

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Sat, 05/31/2014 - 15:22 | 4812805 dizzyfingers
Fri, 05/30/2014 - 23:26 | 4811883 mendigo
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Thank you George for printing these words.

Its the holy grail of justice they they would be held accountable for what they did.

Power of positive and righteous thinking.

Should begin by freezing thier assets.

Probably never hapen - tis an irish story after all. But just imagining it heals my soul.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 21:41 | 4815699 SilverTech
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There's no need for nuclear weapons to be used, especially in Bali and London.

"These devices were used in the Bali bombing and the London bombing and in Japan on their reactors."

This is disinformation.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 04:04 | 4808772 Jano
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they deserve a bullet, not a prosecution.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 02:43 | 4808749 q99x2
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What the hell is the sense of having a trial by a bunch of globalist judges. They may convict them of not killing enough people but not for doing what they did. But, if US banks begin battling EU banks then they'll hang those fuckers for any reason they can.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 01:30 | 4808703 NoWayJose
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War crimes are things that the winning side gets to enforce onto the losing side in order to justify the war crimes that the winning side committed themselves. All war is h*ll and atrocities are committed continuously on both sides - especially, but not confined to, civilians. It may seem moe 'civilized' but drone missiles today are not much different than putting a village 'too the sword'.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 21:24 | 4811673 Socratic Dog
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Drone strikes seem civilized?  To who? Not to the firewood-collecting, marriage celebrating recipiens, I'd guess.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 01:25 | 4808696 falconflight
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Richard Clark on Democracy Now! Wow, such credibility.  And Clark is every bit as trustworthy as Sandy Berger.  Remember him and his little personal covert operation at the National Archive?  Hey lets talk about LBJ and the Gulf of Tonkin incident.  58,200 deaths of US troops. maybe a 500,000 wounded and certainly more than 1,000,000 deaths of the natives.  I don't need to play with myself conjuring if the muslims really did fly the planes on September 11, 2001.  Yer tin foil is a bit too crinkled.  :)

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 01:07 | 4808678 russwinter
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Amazing that Richard Clarke who was involved in the 9/11 cover-up and maybe even 9/11 itself is having this conversation.  The 9/11 attack, who did it and how. 

http://winteractionables.com/?p=12053

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 23:52 | 4808580 the grateful un...
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vince bugliosi wants to try bush as well, the man knows a serial killer when he sees one

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 22:38 | 4808428 Aussiekiwi
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NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN, STOP DREAMING

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 22:07 | 4808349 truthseek3r
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War crimes are a great law on paper but will never EVER be enforced equally and fairly to the primary war criminals.Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Mussolini are just some of the more popular tyrannical leaders who were obvious war criminals but never placed on trial. Numerous US Presidents throughout history up to the present could be placed on trial as well due to our own use of false-flags to justify military invasions of other countries. The entire CIA (& the OSS before that) could be placed on trial as well seeing as how they provide the funding/arming for military coups worldwide which has led to the deaths of millions of ppl. This has continued today as they recently funded terrorists in Libya & now in Syria. You see the mess this creates? Our Presidents unfortunately are just pawns for the corporate/banking elites who are crony capitalists better known as monopolists who wish to dominate the resources and capital of the world if they are given the chance. I don't expect any President to do anything positive for the average American given the current structure of our gov't. If we luckily manage to elect someone who wasnt hand picked by the establishment, I would expect that President to get impeached or just outright assassinated like JFK. Expect more false-flags, cover-ups, oppression of whistle-blowers & unlimited warfare until a much needed political revolution(hopefully non-violent) takes place. 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 23:17 | 4808528 MrSteve
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Troothseeker, your comment including Mussolini implies that he escaped "justice". Please Google "Mussolini death photos" to get valuable info re the trooths you are missing out on.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 23:18 | 4808527 MrSteve
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double tap

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 22:09 | 4808339 BeetleBailey
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IF...we had a decent leader in this country...

NONE since Eisenhower/Kennedy...PERIOD

Johnson: cunt bag boy for the MIC...Vietnam

Nixon: BIGGER cunt for the MIC..Cambodia and Vietnam

Ford: The Warren Report - clueless oaf - nice guy....but an oaf nonetheless

Carter: Inept...doofus....should be tried for foisting the fucking DE-partment of NON Edication on us. Ditto the DE-partment of Energy

Raygun: Spent us into oblivion on DE-fense - most, while he was napping

Boooooooosh 1: Kuwait's Richie Rich "hero". The ultimate CIA douche insider

Clinton: Cunts and Cigars...while the fucking safe was open to the ChiComs

Booooosh2 - see above..the cunt ougtha be behind bars

Fuckabama: THE DRONE KILLING BOOOOSH POLICY CODIFYING PIECE OF SHIT PRIZE ASSHOLE.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 22:12 | 4808236 Radical Marijuana
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A PARADOX OF

ENFORCEMENT!

I have agreed for a long time that there were "war crimes," as Clarke stated. However, he very importantly qualified questions about possible prosecutions by asking "whether that would be productive."  THE PRODUCTION OF DESTRUCTION DIRECTS PRODUCTION IN PROFOUNDLY IMPORTANT WAYS, WHICH RETURN TO THE ISSUES SURROUNDING THE PARADOXES OF ENFORCEMENT!

It is too convenient to ignore paradoxes, such as that the "rule of law" does not mean anything unless it can actually be enforced. The problem is that the sovereign power which is supposed to enforce the law is necessarily wielded by whatever group was the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence. People who generally do not think through the paradoxical nature of ALL our problems are content to spout false fundamental dichotomies and their related impossible ideals. However, my view is that the only people who could actually enforce the law against the previous best organized criminal gang would be another better organized criminal gang.

Of course, that is what I have been advocating is what should happen, but even IF so, I would expect that the previous best organized gangs of criminals may well still enjoy de facto sovereign immunity, in the sense that attempting to enforce the "rule of law" against them could still be so extremely dangerous and difficult as to be practically impossible. Any possible prosecutions, such as suggested in this article, would actually require the emergence of some new ruling class, that could survive through attempting those prosecutions, and finally prevail. It is practically asking for a global revolution against the current ruling classes and dominate empire to ask for the previously dominant war criminals to actually and effectively be prosecuted for their crimes.

Perhaps "truth and reconciliation" regarding these issues is more in order? After all, 9/11 Truth is merely the most spectacular symbol of the general pattern of social facts. In my view seeking "justice" decades after the fact does not make enough sense. The real challenges are to learn deeper lessons regarding the ways that the established death control systems have become criminally insane, due to the development of weapons of mass destruction, which are trillions of times more powerful than anything that previously existed before in known human history. In that context, it was all too perversely appropriate how lies about weapons of mass destruction were aspects of enabling the Iraq War to become a series of war crimes.

I thought that the use of depleted uranium weapons was a war crime in itself! Who is supposed to be held accountable for those kinds of war crimes? I do not know the answers at this time, however, the deeper issues are that there are deeply entrenched, established systems of debt controls backed by death controls, or combined money/murder systems, which have histories that have roots that are thousands of years old! In my view, there are many deeper levels regarding militarism, or the ideology of the murder systems, and the role of the death controls within human ecology, which are being deliberately ignored by those who ignore the paradoxes of enforcement.

Every significant historical figure that I am aware of was involved in "war crimes."  For instance, the original General George Washington ordered genocides against the natives which were supporting the British. As far as I know, almost every President, and his administration, have committed lots of "war crimes." After WWII, there were contradictions in events like Project Paperclip, and contradictions about what happened in Germany, as contrasted to what happened in Japan, etc. ... The Allies who won that war committed lots of "war crimes" while winning that war, however, since they won, they prosecuted some of the losers, in biased ways, while there was nobody that could prosecute them! All of those historical facts merely emphasize my basic points regarding the paradoxes of enforcement!

Generally speaking, most people who advocate for some kind of idealized "justice" tend to deliberately ignore the PARADOX OF ENFORCEMENT. If one does not deliberately ignore that profound problem, then one has to change the basic ways one thinks, as I have outlined in many of my previous comments on articles in Zero Hedge: The most powerful and wealthy people got that way by operating within systems which were based on backing up lies with violence. Governments are the biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals. War was simply the application on a larger scale of the principles and methods of organized crime. Human beings basically live as robbers in their environment, as soon as we perceive them as separate from their environment. All human realities are necessarily organized lies, operating robberies.

The entire history of the development of private property was the history of claims backed up with coercions. There is no private property outside of some system of public violence. Money is measurement backed by murder. The debt controls are backed by the the death controls. All of those basic truisms regarding how human civilizations have actually operated were given the most spectacular symbolic expression by the inside job, false flag attacks made on 9/11/2001, which lies were then exploited by telling more lies in order to go to war against Iraq. The blatant war crimes committed surrounding the war in Iraq could be seen as the development of Neolithic Civilization, metaphorically from Babylon onwards, looping around back to itself, after thousands of years, whereby globalized Neolithic Civilization became a kind of Ouroboros. There are profoundly important issues raised by the Paradoxes of Enforcement with respect to "war crimes!"

The fundamental structure of civilization as we know it was based upon thousands of years of "war crimes," which made those who were most successful at doing that became the people operating the dominate systems of organized lies and robberies, that made them and their descendents the most wealthy and powerful people. In a sense, being able to put the war criminals behind the Iraq War on trial would be like putting the social pyramid systems of Neolithic Civilization on trial. That may well be a good thing, but it would go far, far beyond the symbolic figureheads, which would represent those historical events ...

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 04:15 | 4808782 Ghordius
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Neolithic Ciivlization (see Neolithic_Revolution) is the civilization of settlements, instead of nomadic bands

Babylon, Ur, and all the other first settlements... one of the first things they had to do is to build walls. to keep marauders at bay. those who didn't... perished

and then banned private violence inside the walls. you want to duel? do it outside. if you do violence inside the wall, you will be judged on that

the first kernel of civilization. yes, it's based on territorial, public monopoly on violence

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 19:41 | 4811392 Radical Marijuana
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Yeah, Ghordius, I was already familiar with the kinds of information in that link you gave.

In my opinion, that discussion omits, or lies by omission, about the most important feature of the domestication of animals, and plants, which was the domestication of human beings. I.e., more than anything else, the Neolithic Revolution as human farming! Neolithic Civilization depended more upon slavery, based on lies, backed by violence, than anything else. The benefits from agriculture went hand and hand with the costs of the social pyramid systems. Moreover, the ways some people treated other people then because the ways that all people treated nature.

Thus, the current runaway social polarization and destruction of the natural world can be traced back to the mechanism of human slavery, which controls human behavior through systems of lies backed by violence. Hence, the current systems of the banksters' enforced frauds are the development of Neolithic Civilizations' social pyramid systems, to the point where there are now globalized electronic frauds, backed by the force of atomic bombs!

The attempts to monopolize violence by the biggest bullies was a package deal, whose costs were equal to its benefits, while, in the longer term, the costs may end up becoming bigger than the short-term benefits. The chronic political problems inherent in the nature of life theoretically could be resolved in better ways, but, actually, things are getting worse, faster!

DEBT SLAVERY, BACKED BY WARS BASED ON DECEITS, AS DEMONSTRATED WAS DONE IN THE TOPICS DISCUSSED IN THIS ARTICLE ABOVE, SINCE THE IRAQ WAR WAS A CLASSIC CASE OF WAR STARTED WITH DECEITS, DRIVING AMERICANS DEEPER INTO THE RESULTANT DEBT SLAVERY!

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 04:06 | 4808774 Ghordius
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always a pleasure to read your comments. I differ in details, here, for example, you write "The entire history of the development of private property was the history of claims backed up with coercions. There is no private property outside of some system of public violence."

yes. though what is a system of public violence? the monopoly on violence by the state

in it's positive form, it means that private squabbles have to be solved through a legal process, instead of being settled privately. and this legal process is steered by laws

in it's opposite negative forms, it means Might makes Right. your car/house/wife/daughter there? this gun says it's mine, now. and my buddy standing next to you has another one

it's the quality of a system of public violence that makes or ruins the day. even in a volutaryst setup, which would too begin with a voluntary redress in courts instead of on the street

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 18:26 | 4811156 Radical Marijuana
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Yeah, too bad, so sad, that gradually the triumphs of the banksters' enforced frauds has inverted the meaning of "money," and to keep that going, that has inverted the real meaning of the "rule of law."

All of the problems, from weapons of mass destruction to weapons of mass survelliance, trace back to the paradoxes that the powers of "We the People" ended up being effectively privatized by the banksters, so that the ideal of the monopolization of power by the government, on behalf of "We the People" to use violence through the "rule of law," actually ended up being effectively privatized!

The theory of a democratic republic, contrasted to the real world, is now ACTUALLY in a ratio which is something like more than 99% fascist plutocracy versus less than 1% democratic republic, as PROVEN by the funding of politics, and the privatization of the public "money" supply.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 20:29 | 4808052 RevRex
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"Busch new about 911 an did nuthing"

 

Funny how the same people who blame Bush for everything just because it happened on his watch, exclude the ObowelMovement from any blame, because "both parties are the same" or Obama is "just working for his masters" or some other such excuse....

 

blah blah fucking blah

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 03:16 | 4808759 the tower
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You didn't read the post, obviously.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 20:51 | 4808112 George Washington
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Did you even read the main post? 

"Of course, Obama is also committing war crimes.  For example, the
Obama administration has ordered numerous indiscriminate drone strikes …
which are war crimes (more here and here).  And torture is also apparently continuing under Obama. See this and this.

And Obama should also be impeached."

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 20:20 | 4808027 RevRex
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awk awk awk,,,it's Busch's fault, it's Busch's fault awk awk

 

 

take a fukking pill

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 03:16 | 4808760 the tower
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PS I know you're German, but take some time to learn to spell the guy's name right: it's Bush, not Busch.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 21:38 | 4808251 TheReplacement
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It is Bush's fault.  And Clinton's.  And Bush's again.... it goes back a ways.  GW isn't blaming Bush.  He's being consistent here.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 20:03 | 4807973 Reaper
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They are prosecutable or impeachable under US law, 18 U.S. Code § 2441-War crimes. But, presidents control the DOJ, while political party hacks control Congress. Ideas, like a snow storm begin with the first flakes. Trust violated becomes hate. Words repeated become remembered.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 20:39 | 4808084 Seek_Truth
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Make sure these folks get their day in court as well:

http://www.whale.to/b/israel_did_911.html

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:13 | 4807625 mototard
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Meanwhile, the Obama adminstration is funding and arming the "moderate" Al Qaeda members in Syria while the Muslim Brotherhood has members in the DHS.

A new public report in Canada claims that even the Canadian government is doing more to attack terrorist funding than the USA, as is the UK. 

WTF?

http://tsecnetwork.blogspot.ca/2014/05/1-muslim-brotherhood-in-north-ame...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:16 | 4807640 George Washington
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Yes, it is fact - not hyperbole - that Obama backs Al Qaeda and Nazis.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 21:32 | 4808232 Bro of the Sorr...
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woah slow down. i can only handle so much doublethinking at one time.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 19:46 | 4807909 shovelhead
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But

They're OUR al Qaeda and Nazi's, so there's a moral difference.

Cuz we're the good guys.

 

but keep your hand on your liver.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:04 | 4807592 realWhiteNight123129
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Once the monetary system falls appart their head is on the chopping block, not before.

DUPE SORRY

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:03 | 4807590 realWhiteNight123129
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Once the monetary system falls they heads are on the chopping block, not before.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:58 | 4807571 I Write Code
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Just another senile traitor monkey, but thanks for the laugh, I love cute kitten videos as much as the next guy but sometimes a little variety helps.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 21:41 | 4808265 TheReplacement
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So... do paint chips taste good?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:38 | 4807512 zipit
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Because the status quo always charges itself with crimes (war crimes or otherwise).  Right.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:32 | 4807501 disabledvet
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That would mean that the preamble to the Constitution is now null and void too...and I simply would rather see our own Supreme Court strike that down rather than "The Hague."

The words still are some of the greatest ever written...it wasn't my idea to codify them as our most Basic of Law.

Honor would dictate to me that "these words are held in abeyance at the moment." In other words the Supremes would simply walk away for the time being and "let the President's Secret Court" handle things from here.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 21:10 | 4808146 Bananamerican
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DV prolly got his screen handle when that goat he was schtupping in his office kicked him in the balls

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:37 | 4807711 usednabused
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You truly are a sick asshole. You always seem to be the apologist for the pricks in charge. After all, they;re just doin all that torturing and murdering for the children right? Fuck you

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 22:25 | 4808397 BeetleBailey
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Agreed, disabledvet also has his brain disabled.

His "Kerry served with honor" blurb was a clue to his dependent on the government for clown bucks disabled mind.

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 02:23 | 4812084 Socratic Dog
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Seems he was a little too subtle for you lot.  He was suggesting that the honorable thing for a court so derelict in its duty would be to get out of Dodge and stop  pretending.  I think.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:36 | 4807489 Oldrepublic
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Already  a court in Malaysia has tried and convected Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo  in absentia for war crimes.

Quoted by CNN in 2012  

Now Bush has cancelled  trips  to Switzerland, Rumsfeld has fled France

Christopher Hitchens says in his book:  The Trial of Henry  Kissinger   that

Kissinger committed war crimes in Indochina, Bangladesh, Chile, Cyprus and   East Timor

He avoids travel to France and Brazil  

In the years to come lower level us citizens will be arrested in various countries around the world for war crimes, just as the US arrested Nazi war criminals

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:26 | 4807472 kurt
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Rougue's list needs to include Alberto "Abra Cadabra" Gonzales for convoluted laws giving them tissue thin legal justification for torture.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:11 | 4807405 All is chosen
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Would you also please throw in Teflon Tony Bliar? 

No trial required, just throw him in. A snake pit would seem appropriate.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 01:23 | 4808695 Zeta Reticuli
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A Vaseline-lined snake pit would be good. Or slide him down a razor blade bannister into a tub of iodine.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 22:14 | 4808370 TheReplacement
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To share the same death as Ragnar?  Hardly.  Find something more fitting.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:25 | 4807473 SAT 800
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gladly; can we handcuff him to Gordon Brown, first ?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:10 | 4807402 Duc888
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Well, that's just the beginning...

 

Illegal distribution of US nuclear material to foreign allies was not limited to Israel. Virtually all NATO allies were in on this scam too. Dick Cheney was the bad guy on this one. Bush2/Cheney traded nuclear pits to foreign country as IOU’s in order to get what they wanted. Tom Countryman a well-known Israeli operative is curiously now in charge of N.N.P. at the State Department under Obama.(?) He was put there by Ram Emanuel.

 

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/too-classified-to-publish-bush-n...

 

Tom Countryman worked for Bush SR.

 

 

 

 

 


 

 


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