“Pervasive, Pre-Criminal Surveillance Where the Government Wants To Watch What You’re Doing Just to See What You’re Up To ..."

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When NBC’s Brian Williams interviewed Ed Snowden in Moscow last week, one of Snowden’s most interesting statements was left on the cutting room floor.

Specifically, the following statement was cut from NBC’s broadcast Wednesday night:

Now, we have a system of pervasive, pre-criminal surveillance where the government wants to watch what you’re doing just to see what you’re up to, to see what you’re thinking, even behind closed doors.



Indeed, a government expert told the Washington Post that the government “quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type.” (And see this.)  And British and U.S. intelligence agencies have been recording millions of webcam videos … many of them nude videos from inside people’s homes. Indeed, the government is spying on virtually everything we do.

Moreover, the NSA  is working on building a “pre-crime” computer system that uses artificial intelligence and massive amounts of data to try to predict how every thinks and what everyone is likely to do.

As we reported last year:

The government is currently testing systems for use in public spaces which can screen for “pre-crime”. As Nature reports:

Like a lie detector, FAST measures a variety of physiological indicators, ranging from heart rate to the steadiness of a person’s gaze, to judge a subject’s state of mind. But there are major differences from the polygraph. FAST relies on non-contact sensors, so it can measure indicators as someone walks through a corridor at an airport, and it does not depend on active questioning of the subject.

CBS News points out:

FAST is designed to track and monitor, among other inputs, body movements, voice pitch changes, prosody changes (alterations in the rhythm and intonation of speech), eye movements, body heat changes, and breathing patterns. Occupation and age are also considered. A government source told CNET that blink rate and pupil variation are measured too.


A field test of FAST has been conducted in at least one undisclosed location in the northeast. “It is not an airport, but it is a large venue that is a suitable substitute for an operational setting,” DHS spokesman John Verrico told Nature.com in May.


Although DHS has publicly suggested that FAST could be used at airport checkpoints–the Transportation Security Administration is part of the department, after all–the government appears to have grander ambitions. One internal DHS document (PDF) also obtained by EPIC through the Freedom of Information Act says a mobile version of FAST “could be used at security checkpoints such as border crossings or at large public events such as sporting events or conventions.”

The risk of false positives is very real. As Computer World notes:

Tom Ormerod, a psychologist in the Investigative Expertise Unit at Lancaster University, UK, told Nature, “Even having an iris scan or fingerprint read at immigration is enough to raise the heart rate of most legitimate travelers.” Other critics have been concerned about “false positives.” For example, some travelers might have some of the physical responses that are supposedly signs of mal-intent if they were about to be groped by TSA agents in airport security.

Various “pre-crime” sensing devices have already been deployed in public spaces in the U.S.


The government has also worked on artificial intelligence for “pre-crime” detection on the Web. And given that programs which can figure out your emotions are being developed using your webcam, every change in facial expression could be tracked.

While the government pretends that such pre-crime monitoring is meant to prevent terrorism, the fact is that it is instead being used to crush dissent.

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Sun, 06/01/2014 - 19:48 | 4815379 NuYawkFrankie
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USSA/NSA hardly as omnipotent as GW seeme to think.

Can you spell B L U F F?  Snowden = Snowed On... it's 'their' little joke....


This is not to say that Zio-punk USSA is not a mad-dog, bat-sh!t crazy criminal operation... ' cause it is - and it happens to think it that it OWNS you.... lock stock & barrel.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 19:01 | 4815335 kellycriterion
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Have any of the brighter students intuited it's not just spying per se anymore?

I'm referring to the secret of the universe. Measurement. Everything you think, you do, you are is the result of and is measurement. And it's not just biological systems, although that's quite a lot. Everything is emanating information into the environment. All is noted, measured in some way, to some degree.

Now about those puny humans whose conscious minds are a fragmented mess of fear and ego? Who must depend on their more objective parallel minds to muster enough rat like perspicacity to overcome their perpetual attempts to square the circle? They're still busy misunderstanding the primitive, blunt instrument methods of altering and controlling the environment of the past.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 17:55 | 4815197 q99x2
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I agree completely. There is no reason in this world that the government would want to protect me.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:42 | 4814725 TrustWho
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I often wonder if ZeroHedge website is a front for NSA? I then I think, no, the USA government could not be so smart.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 10:13 | 4814091 GreatUncle
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All too keep those currently in power "in power forever".

Wanna be a god? Too late all places are now taken and as they control the spy network to ensure they can never be removed. When people eventually figure it out the only way to oust the gods will only be through forceful means.

Every time in history some who pretend to be gods and exert their control eventually lose power and understandable because all those (and loads of them)  "not currently favoured are destined to be slaves forever unless threy are prepared to revolt".

One day Spartacus, one day it gonna happen and as history repeats itself. So was Spartacus a terrorist or a freedom fighter?

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 00:22 | 4813792 Ignatius
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The point of the surveilance isn't so much what people may do so much as it's a history to build a case against anyone who later poses a threat to the power structure.  When they know everywhere you've been and done they can build a crime around that information.

This spying is insidious and anyone who has studied some history knows this.  The temptation for abuse of power is too great.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 01:57 | 4813851 45Condor
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I said it recently in a little jest - perhaps it's time to take this a little more seriously:

Think not of what damage your country has already done to you, but of what damage you can do to the rulers of your country.

That’s my little quote for the day. I hope I don’t get a knock on the door in the near future, before being ‘disappeared’.

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 23:06 | 4813705 the grateful un...
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its that scene in Chinatown when the detective figures it out, that the head of the LA water board has been diverting water to bankupt the orange tree growers and make room for subdivisions. and the detective says, why are you doing this, how much more money do you need? what can you buy? the corrupt man answers "the future mr gitts, the future"  the real question the is why are pedophiles and incestous bastards in charge of our future? we should be in charge of our own destiny. damn passive consumer growth, it will probably run negative before people get it

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 17:44 | 4813154 robnume
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The only terrorists in this nation are TPTB. Our "Thief in Chief" is the biggest one of all! There is no two party system here; there is only the party of money. I urge all to watch the original "House of Cards" trilogy, starring Ian Richardson as Francis Urquhardt. THAT is how governments are run and how power is taken.

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 12:09 | 4812586 blindman
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Sat, 05/31/2014 - 11:57 | 4812568 dizzyfingers
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Time to stop voting for incumbents no matter what. One term, out they go.

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 21:24 | 4813544 kellycriterion
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Ok so maybe we shouldn't count on dizzy to justify the continued existence of homo sapiens.

Can one ZeroHero make an argument that might imprees AI?

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 09:33 | 4812370 Smiley
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If you believe other people you have never met are truly interested in catering to your needs and interests you are delusional.  Those in power will use that power to enrich and empower themselves first, foremost, and always.  This is the way it has always been since the dawn of time, this is the way it will always be until we go extinct.

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 21:41 | 4813572 Jstanley011
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Sat, 05/31/2014 - 21:40 | 4813571 Jstanley011
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Intermediated by a free market, they'll cater to my needs and interests because it is in their own self interest to do so. (See Adam Smith, 1776.) Otherwise you're correct, most especially when it comes to smilin' politicos.

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 09:33 | 4812362 JenkinsLane
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Casper Bowden summed up both this situation, and the ambition, over 10 years ago - "CCTV for inside your head."


If you want more background regarding the genesis of this situation, you should read the following article from 2000:






Sat, 05/31/2014 - 09:27 | 4812356 TrulyStupid
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A stranger is a criminal you haven't met yet.

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 08:58 | 4812312 TrustbutVerify
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Looked at another way its the continued march of needless technology into our lives. 

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 09:11 | 4812336 d edwards
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"Pre-crime monitoring" ie: you are now guilty until you prove yourself innocent.

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 10:00 | 4812403 Pee Wee
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"No one saw it coming."

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 08:22 | 4812267 Pee Wee
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Hello false positives, hello record bonuses.

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 07:29 | 4812223 Obamanism
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Randomness is almost untraceable. During WWII the German and Allies where beset by mistakes, sudden instances of Randomness. These mistakes where notice by civilian workers in the German supply chain, they then create "mistakes" of their own, Example: sending desert clothes to troops in Norway or Torpedoes to tanks in the deserts. These where put down to random mistakes not acts of sabotage.

I worked for a company producing call centers for logging car warranty and insurance claims, within the software was stress detector algorithms that informed the operator if there was stress in the callers voice and to flag the recording and claim for investigation, this was in the early 2000's. It was about 65% accurate in spotting lies and/or differences in what happened and what was said. Imagine your mobile phone has within it the same piece of software so the people recording it know when you are lying.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 23:33 | 4811897 Bernankenstein
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Straight out of "Minority Report" the movie

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 09:09 | 4812333 Debt-Penitent
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We're all criminals.

We just don't know it yet.

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 00:18 | 4811967 InjectTheVenom
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Keep the Change !

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 23:32 | 4811896 AdvancingTime
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Thanks to information leaked by  Edward Snowden we know the "black budget" last year was a massive 52 billion dollars. This is the money used in "secret" spy operations, and it is enough to send shivers down the back of those that cherish privacy.

This is beginning to look like the society we have read about the totalitarian society of Oceania described in George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. In Orwell's novel, all citizens of Oceania are monitored by cameras and are fed fabricated news stories by the government. More on this subject in the article below.


Sat, 05/31/2014 - 22:23 | 4813652 bilejones
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That excludes the money raised by the CIA's Opium business, of course.

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 11:18 | 4812514 the tower
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Beginning to look like? It's already worse than Orwell could have imagined...

Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia... the same forces are trying to start a war in Europe/Russia again as we speak...

It's time Eastasia deals with Oceania...

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 01:39 | 4812046 putaipan
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yeah well... if i could go back and reinvent al gore's privitization of big corporate spook-hood i could save us a lot of our freedoms.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 23:30 | 4811890 xavi1951
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Yeah yeah!  They don't want to see me naked.  And just WHO is going to fix this?

Seriously, mind reading?  Not even a liberal judge would go for that!  Would they?

I smell a conspiracy theory in the works....  Stop that!  I can see you!

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 21:56 | 4811729 jack stephan
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Uh huh, yeah I said it, what now.

Probably very frustrating to be completely confused, isn't it.

Now you're printing money to piss some 27 year old robot kids time looking for pointless shit.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 20:38 | 4811548 YouThePeople
Fri, 05/30/2014 - 20:07 | 4811459 Chupacabra-322
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Google's Schmidt was pictured at the Criminal Bilderberg Conference with Alex Karp, Founder of Palantir. Palantir makes software that is helping the CIA / NSA and others to extract REAL info out of billions of datasets- multidimensional database slicing and dicing.

It's like connecting the dots in a trillion pieced puzzle. Both are of german heritage. Just like Bush, Cheney, Koch, Zoellick, Warburg, Goldman, Schwab, the Windsors, the dutch Royals (Hessen Nassau) Rockefeller, Kiesinger and Rothschildt....just to name the most obvious.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 22:31 | 4811792 daedon
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Are you not forgetting someone  ..... Saxe-Coburg and Gotha ?

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 01:44 | 4812051 putaipan
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like i've always said- "fuck the babylonian austrian/venetian masonic british jesuit zionist corporatist bastards!"

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 20:54 | 4811587 shovelhead
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Don't forget Santa Clause.

"He sees you when you're sleeping..."

He might be just a bit pervy...Who knows?

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 19:15 | 4811310 blindman
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who is killing the thaller?
the truth is no one knows anything, it is the
go figure ...

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 19:03 | 4811275 Winston Smith 2009
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Dear NSA,

Everthing I say is a lie.

I'm lying.

(Hey, it worked for Captain Kirk)

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 18:57 | 4811252 ken
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Are they going to steal your business and marketing ideas, and give them to their corporate friends? Just asking.


Sat, 05/31/2014 - 09:55 | 4812270 Pee Wee
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This has been happening since at least 2000.

Only terrorists follow the money.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 18:54 | 4811240 Reaper
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The worse is that the sheeple will trust the government hacks to tell the truth. It's not just false positives which ought be feared, but that false positives created by the government hacks will be used to destroy anyone they chose. It is not a question of if government will create false positives, it's that the power exists and will be exploited. Presently, most sheeple on a jury trust that the police do not lie, when the reality is that testilying by police is common. Trust is the fatal flaw of the sheeple.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 18:23 | 4811141 ebworthen
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The RFID tag will be to help find you if you are lost; you know, if you come down with Alzheimer's, or Dementia, or something.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 16:23 | 4812045 weburke
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Fri, 05/30/2014 - 18:55 | 4811246 ken
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What kind of low-life pigs would come up with such a strategy? Whatever happened to all of the Nazis brought over after WWII? Have THEY been followed? Anyone who kills or maimes another to feel more powerful, is a piece of chicken shit.

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 19:25 | 4813342 jaxville
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 The National Socialists of Germany had far more respect for basic human dignity than our current "jew" owned Western Governments.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 18:10 | 4811114 blindman
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the full expression of logic is so
exhaustive that mortals are
repulsed by that semi-competent calling,
exercise and practice,
and thank god for that.
the world refuses to be framed
or operate in those terms.
perhaps it has to do with the scalability
of norms, transmutations and migrational
variations, spiritual revelations and
truth? beats me down like a bowling pin.
all i can say is expect severe weather and
resistance, always and nearly everywhere.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:58 | 4810893 the grateful un...
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some years ago they had subliminal messages planted in film, (usually things you might buy at the concession stand at intermission) a frame being a 1/24th of a second, the content of a single frame cannot be consciously recognized, although the contents are registered by the brain. there was also sleep learning, you played a tape in a pillow speaker and you subconsciously absorbed the content while you slept, its all based on a form of hypnosis. hypnosis and propaganda and television work in similar fashion, television has a seperate flicker rate than film, all provide the medium to hypnotize the subject. the current methods are not aimed at hypnotizing you, you have already had that done, now they can ask you those deep questions, for which you are more likely to say the truth. however the basis for mass hypnosis is not film or television, its also in books, the phonetic alphabet red in left to right fashion achieves a form of hypnosis, and when all learning comes through books it creates institutions formed on logical linear thinking. 

mass hysteria exists in tribal people who have no books, tv or film, these high tech things are really just the electronic equivalent of tribal drums. in the tribal world there are group rituals to cleanse individuals of their own private demons. so if you could read Eliot Rodgers thoughts, why wouldn't you want to cleanse his soul of bad thoughts, before he acted out? whats wrong is not wanting to know, its the system of punishment. criminal experts cannot explain why some people commit crimes like murder, but never repeat those crimes, and some do. although most agree that prison increases the likelihood of recidivism.

at the point of contention mass survelliance isn't a bad thing, its what they do with the information that causes problems, such as denying you certain freedoms, and summary punishment without trial (such as GITMO). in a tribal world the worst thing that can happen to you is to be expelled from the tribe. i suggest that all military coming back from an ME deployment be debriefed until they have proven they can adjust to society, because these people are clearly dangerous, to themselves their family and society. government does nothing about that of course, except to throw these people back out on the streets and deny them proper mental health care. Obama is one of the worst offenders, on several levels, assassinating suspected terror suspects, without basis, underfunding and committment to veteran resources, and failing to recognize the imminent danger these folks pose to society by allowing people far more dangerous than socalled terror threats to walk the streets. in many cases the two lines converge and you have a Tim McVeigh. no one wanted him to talk.

obama wants to rewrite the history of abuse of blacks, but he never notices the history of abuse of people who have problems or who are socially maladjusted. this punishment crosses all racial religious and social lines. so he commits the worst atrocities against muslims and thats okay (when will we have our first Muslim president?) and will he commit crimes of humanity against some other group, the saddest thing about our progressive president is that he is not.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 17:13 | 4810957 doctor10
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these assclowns are pyscho-socipathic kontrol freaks-



"Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men.'


Ayn Rand

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 01:48 | 4812059 putaipan
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upend'um....- fuck these assclown babylonian austrian/venetian masonic british jesuit zionist corporatist pyscho-socipathic control freaks!"

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 23:19 | 4811867 the grateful un...
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the terms public and tribal are mutually exclusive. the public was created by the printing press (m mcluhan) and civilization is internalized violence. if you suppose you can be freed (made private) through the enhancements of civilization you only need to look at the evidence. how do you suppose you will become more private and more civilized?

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