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Millions of Evangelical Christians Want to Start WWIII to Speed the "Second Coming" ... and Atheist Neocons are Using Religion

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MILLIONS OF EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS WANT TO START WORLD WAR III ... TO SPEED UP THE SECOND COMING

 

 

The Founding Fathers weren't particularly anti-Islam.

But millions of Americans believe that Christ will not come again until Israel wipes out its competitors and there is widespread war in the Middle East. Some of these folks want to start a huge fire of war and death and destruction, so that Jesus comes quickly.

According to French President Chirac, Bush told him that the Iraq war was needed to bring on the apocalypse:

In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy:

“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”

Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac:

“This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins”…

There can be little doubt now that President Bush’s reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam’s Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.

And British Prime Minister Tony Blair long-time mentor, advisor and confidante said:

“Tony’s Christian faith is part of him, down to his cotton socks. He believed strongly at the time, that intervention in Kosovo, Sierra Leone – Iraq too – was all part of the Christian battle; good should triumph over evil, making lives better.”

Mr Burton, who was often described as Mr Blair’s mentor, says that his religion gave him a “total belief in what’s right and what’s wrong”, leading him to see the so-called War on Terror as “a moral cause”…

Anti-war campaigners criticised remarks Mr Blair made in 2006, suggesting that the decision to go to war in Iraq would ultimately be judged by God.

Bill Moyers reports that the organization Christians United for Israel - led by highly-influential Pastor John C. Hagee - is a universal call to all Christians to help factions in Israel fund the Jewish settlements, throw out all the Palestinians and lobby for a pre-emptive invasion of Iran. All to bring Russia into a war against us causing World War III followed by Armageddon, the Second Coming and The Rapture. See this and this

This all revolves around what is called Dispensationalism. So popular is Dispensationalism that Tim LaHaye's Left Behind series has sold 65 million copies. Dispensationalists include the following mega-pastors and their churches:

They are supported by politicians such as:

  • Texas Senator John Cronyn
  • And others

Dr. Timothy Webber - an evangelical Christian who has served as a teacher of church history and the history of American religion at Denver Seminary and Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Vice-President at Northern Baptist Theological Seminary in Lombard, IL, and President of Memphis Theological Seminary in Tennessee - notes:

In a recent Time/CNN poll, more than one-third of Americans said that since the terrorist attacks of 9/11, they have been thinking more about how current events might be leading to the end of the world.

While only 36 percent of all Americans believe that the Bible is God's Word and should be taken literally, 59 percent say they believe that events predicted in the Book of Revelation will come to pass. Almost one out of four Americans believes that 9/11 was predicted in the Bible, and nearly one in five believes that he or she will live long enough to see the end of the world. Even more significant for this study, over one-third of those Americans who support Israel report that they do so because they believe the Bible teaches that the Jews must possess their own country in the Holy Land before Jesus can return.

Millions of Americans believe that the Bible predicts the future and that we are living in the last days. Their beliefs are rooted in dispensationalism, a particular way of understanding the Bible's prophetic passages, especially those in Daniel and Ezekiel in the Old Testament and the Book of Revelation in the New Testament. They make up about one-third of America's 40 or 50 million evangelical Christians and believe that the nation of Israel will play a central role in the unfolding of end-times events. In the last part of the 20th century, dispensationalist evangelicals become Israel's best friends-an alliance that has made a serious geopolitical difference.

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Starting in the 1970s, dispensationalists broke into the popular culture with runaway best-sellers, and a well-networked political campaign to promote and protect the interests of Israel. Since the mid-1990s, tens of millions of people who have never seen a prophetic chart or listened to a sermon on the second coming have read one or more novels in the Left Behind series, which has become the most effective disseminator of dispensationalist ideas ever.

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During the early 1980s the Israeli Ministry of Tourism recruited evangelical religious leaders for free "familiarization" tours. In time, hundreds of evangelical pastors got free trips to the Holy Land. The purpose of such promotional tours was to enable people of even limited influence to experience Israel for themselves and be shown how they might bring their own tour group to Israel. The Ministry of Tourism was interested in more than tourist dollars: here was a way of building a solid corps of non-Jewish supporters for Israel in the United States by bringing large numbers of evangelicals to hear and see Israel's story for themselves. The strategy caught on.

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Shortly after the Six-Day War, elements within the Israeli government saw the potential power of the evangelical subculture and began to mobilize it as a base of support that could influence American foreign policy. The Israeli government sent Yona Malachy of its Department of Religious Affairs to the United States to study American fundamentalism and its potential as an ally of Israel. Malachy was warmly received by fundamentalists and was able to influence some of them to issue strong pro-Israeli manifestos. By the mid-1980s, there was a discernible shift in the Israeli political strategy. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the Jewish state's major lobbying group in Washington, D.C., started re-aligning itself with the American political right-wing, including Christian conservatives. Israel's timing was perfect. It began working seriously with American dispensationalists at the precise moment that American fundamentalists and evangelicals were discovering their political voice.

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Probably the largest pro-Israel organization of its kind is the National Unity Coalition for Israel, which was founded by a Jewish woman who learned how to get dispensationalist support. NUCI opposes "the establishment of a Palestinian state within the borders of Israel."

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In their commitment to keep Israel strong and moving in directions prophesied by the Bible, dispensationalists are supporting some of the most dangerous elements in Israeli society. They do so because such political and religious elements seem to conform to dispensationalist beliefs about what is coming next for Israel. By lending their support-both financial and spiritual-to such groups, dispensationalists are helping the future they envision come to pass.

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Dispensationalists believe that the Temple is coming too; and their convictions have led them to support the aims and actions of what most Israelis believe are the most dangerous right-wing elements in their society, people whose views make any compromise necessary for lasting peace impossible. Such sentiments do not matter to the believers in Bible prophecy, for whom the outcome of the quarrelsome issue of the Temple Mount has already been determined by God.

Since the end of the Six-Day War, then, dispensationalists have increasingly moved from observers to participant-observers. They have acted consistently with their convictions about the coming Last Days in ways that make their prophecies appear to be self-fulfilling.

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As Paul Boyer has pointed out, dispensationalism has effectively conditioned millions of Americans to be somewhat passive about the future and provided them with lenses through which to understand world events. Thanks to the sometimes changing perspectives of their Bible teachers, dispensationalists are certain that trouble in the Middle East is inevitable, that nations will war against nations, and that the time is coming when millions of people will die as a result of nuclear war, the persecution of Antichrist, or as a result of divine judgment. Striving for peace in the Middle East is a hopeless pursuit with no chance of success.

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For the dispensational community, the future is determined. The Bible's prophecies are being fulfilled with amazing accuracy and rapidity. They do not believe that the Road Map will-or should-succeed. According to the prophetic texts, partitioning is not in Israel's future, even if the creation of a Palestinian state is the best chance for peace in the region. Peace is nowhere prophesied for the Middle East, until Jesus comes and brings it himself. The worse thing that the United States, the European Union, Russia, and the United Nations can do is force Israel to give up land for a peace that will never materialize this side of the second coming. Anyone who pushes for peace in such a manner is ignoring or defying God's plan for the end of the age.

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It seems clear that dispensationalism is on a roll, that its followers feel they are riding the wave of history into the shore of God's final plan. Why should they climb back into the stands when being on the field of play is so much more fun and apparently so beneficial to the game's outcome? As [one dispensationalist group's] advertisement read, "Don't just read about prophecy when you can be part of it."

ATHEIST WAR HAWKS MANIPULATE BELIEVERS TO BEAT THE DRUMS OF WAR

 

Leo Strauss is the father of the Neo-Conservative movement, including many leaders of the current administration.

Indeed, many of the main neocon players - including Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Stephen Cambone, Elliot Abrams, and Adam Shulsky - were students of Strauss at the University of Chicago, where he taught for many years.

The people pushing for war against Iran are the same neocons who pushed for war against Iraq. See this and this. (They planned both wars at least 20 years ago.) For example, Shulsky was the director of the Office of Special Plans - the Pentagon unit responsible for selling false intelligence regarding Iraq’s weapons of mass. He is now a member of the equivalent organization targeting Iran: the Iranian Directorate.

Strauss, born in Germany, was an admirer of Nazi philosophers and of Machiavelli. Strauss believed that a stable political order required an external threat and that if an external threat did not exist, one should be manufactured. Specifically, Strauss thought that:

A political order can be stable only if it is united by an external threat . . . . Following Machiavelli, he maintained that if no external threat exists then one has to be manufactured

(the quote is by one of Strauss' main biographers).

Indeed, Stauss used the analogy of Gulliver's Travels to show what a Neocon-run society would look like:

"When Lilliput [the town] was on fire, Gulliver urinated over the city, including the palace. In so doing, he saved all of Lilliput from catastrophe, but the Lilliputians were outraged and appalled by such a show of disrespect." (this quote also from the same biographer)

Moreover, Strauss said:

Only a great fool would call the new political science diabolic . . . Nevertheless one may say of it that it fiddles while Rome burns. It is excused by two facts: it does not know that it fiddles, and it does not know that Rome burns.

So Strauss seems to have advocated governments letting terrorizing catastrophes happen on one's own soil to one's own people -- of "pissing" on one's own people, to use his Gulliver's travel analogy. And he advocates that government's should pretend that they did not know about such acts of mayhem: to intentionally "not know" that Rome is burning. He advocates messing with one's own people in order to save them from some "catastophe" (perhaps to justify military efforts to monopolize middle eastern oil to keep it away from our real threat -- an increasingly-powerful China?).

What does this have to do with religion?

Strauss taught that religion should be used as a way to manipulate people to achieve the aims of the leaders. But that the leaders themselves need not believe in religion.

As Wikipedia notes:

In the late 1990s Irving Kristol and other writers in neoconservative magazines began touting anti-Darwinist views, in support of intelligent design. Since these neoconservatives were largely of secular backgrounds, a few commentators have speculated that this – along with support for religion generally – may have been a case of a "noble lie", intended to protect public morality, or even tactical politics, to attract religious supporters.

So is it any surprise that the folks who planned war against Iraq and Iran at least 20 years ago are pushing religious disinformation to stir up the evangelical community? 

Conservative Christians were the biggest backers of the Iraq war. And the Neocons are catering to them to try to back them into war with Iran, as well.

I've recently seen a swarm of spam claiming that all Muslims are evil, that they want to take over the world and establish a Muslim caliphate, and that they want to nuke Iran. They misquote Muslims and use false statements to try to stir up religious hatred.

They are simply promoting the Straussian playbook: stir up religious sentiment - even if you are personally an atheist - to create and demonize an "enemy", so as to promote war ...

NOT A PROBLEM WITH A PARTICULAR RELIGION ... BUT OF IMMATURITY

Most Americans confuse Zionism and Judaism. But many devout Jews are against Zionism, and Zionists can be Christian.

And as I've repeatedly noted, fundamentalist Jews, Christians, Muslims and Hindus are all very much alike, and often willing to use violence to spread their ideology ... while more spiritually mature Jews, Christians, Muslims and Hindus are all much more tolerant and peaceful than their evangelical brothers:

As Christian writer and psychiatrist M. Scott Peck explained, there are different stages of spiritual maturity. Fundamentalism – whether it be Muslim, Christian, Jewish or Hindu fundamentalism – is an immature stage of development. There are peaceful, contemplative Muslim sects – think the poet Rumi the poet and Sufis – and violent sects, just as there are contemplative Christian orders and violent Christian groups (and peaceful and violent atheists).

While there are certainly some Arab terrorists, Islam cannot be blamed for their barbaric murderous actions, just as Christianity cannot be blamed for the Norwegian Christian terrorist - Anders Behring Breivik's actions. University of Chicago professor Robert A. Pape – who specializes in international security affairs – points out:

Extensive research into the causes of suicide terrorism proves Islam isn’t to blame — the root of the problem is foreign military occupations.

The 9/11 hijackers used cocaine and drank alcohol, slept with prostitutes and attended strip clubs … but they did not worship at any mosque. See this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this. So they were not really Muslims.

And even atheists like Stalin can be terrorists, or at least genocidal maniacs.

Indeed, all religions teach compassion, love and the Golden Rule. Likewise, atheism teaches respect for the individual, the most good for the most people, and helping everyone reach their human potential.

Some within each philosophy follow these teachings, and others want to kill everyone who doesn't agree with them. The issue is not really the label of this religion or that, but of maturity and true spirituality and compassion.

Postscript 1: Neoliberals and Neoconservatives are very similar in many ways. And because Neocons are not conservative, nothing in this post is meant to criticize conservatism.  

Postscript 2: Most evangelicals are not dispensationalists, and so do not want to bring on armageddon.

 

 

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Tue, 07/17/2012 - 19:03 | 2626206 Fiat Money
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For an excellent survey of Darby's "DISPENSATIONALISM"... and, even more importantly,  a  discussion on the difference between "PRE-MILLENIALISM" vs "POST-MILLENIALISM,"  see Texas religious historian Michael Lind's landmark book, "Made in Texas: George W. Bush and the SOUTHERN TAKEOVER of American Politics"     http://books.google.com/books?id=F9b2YAxwJj4C  

(where "politics" = POWER, when you win, or steal,  elections, and thus grab the machinery of government taxation, legislation, law-enforcement; rewarding friends with big government contracts; punishing enemies with taxation, audits, investigations, & prosecutions, etc. etc. etc.)  

   Lind completely agrees with you - the Neo-Cons are often aetheist and often formerly "liberal" (if not formerly Trotskyite leftists!) who cynically foment & whip up Protestant Fundamentalism to further their own Neo-Con, israel-centric agenda.     (That would be "HATE-MONGERING")

   If Lind merely identified the unholy alliance of  FORMER ENEMIES - Neo-Cons + Neo-Confeds - that is now ruling America with ruthless efficiency (Californians keep voting to DECRIMINALIZE marijauna.. but their faux "liberal"  radical Right-Wing Neo-Con senator, Dianne Feinstein, keeps shoving every harsher, more authoritarian, more draconian anti-marijuana "drug laws" down her voters throats via her seat in the senate), his book would be in my "TOP 10 MOST IMPORTANT BOOK in America" for this new century... 

  ...but Lind further explains that post-Miillenialism deems it is useless and futile to prepare for The Second Coming - humanity will be "cleansed" regardless of what you do - so all you can do is hope and pray for the coming bloodbath, soon,  as "the savior" returns to scoop you and your fellow believers to the post-millenial resurrection.   It is this wishing and wanting a new human bloodbath that marks both the post-millenial Protestant fundamentalists,  and their cynical Neo-Con partners in "ARMAGEDDON" lust - as INSANE. 

   For the above outline -well supported by his historical religious research -Lind's book is NUMBER ONE, THE most important book to read this decade.   

  The crazies CONTROL BOTH the U.S. nuclear arsenal, AND the Israel nuclear arsenals... AND the conventional armies, and political structure, and financial structure, and press/media structure, of not only both those countries, but most of Europe as well.   

  (see here,   http://exiledonline.com/the-great-gazoo-returns-%E2%80%9Cdon%E2%80%99t-s...

jump to "2008," for Exiled OnLine's  hilarious treatment of how the Neo-Cons, er,  "the Great Gazoo" prodded Georgia puppet dictator (and former Columbia, NY 'law' school grad) Mikhail Saakashvili to... attack Russian army troops in South Ossetia, perniciously  on 8-8-2008, the day the rest of the world was celebrating global peace and cooperation at the start of the Beijing olympics.  The only thing that Exiled left out, was shortly after the attack, then uber-Neo-Con warlord U.S. VP  Dick Cheney  personally flying to Georgia, to hand deliver Saakashvilli a check for U.S. $1 billion, to sustain the U.S./israel puppet in office after his disastrous attack on South Ossetia) 

 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/05/world/europe/05cheney.html

  (and see here - TIME magazine's story on  "WHAT ISRAEL LOST in Saakashvili's Georgia War" - CONFIRMING that Israelis  (Likudniks & Neo-Cons) were the puppet-masters behind both Saakashvili's attack, and American support for their puppet warmongering dictator!)       http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1834785,00.html 

   The GOOD NEWS, as pointed out by Wayne Madsen in an interview with Alex Jones, is that the NY Neo-Cons who OWN the Republican Party,  have just stabbed their EVANGELICAL sheep in the back, with the MORMON Mitt Romney nomination.  

  As Mr. Madsen points out,  Evangelical, fundy Protestants are not in love with Mormons.  But it is indeed INSANE the way these charlatan Neo-Cons.... with NO real ideology besides "rape whatever host country you happen to reside in at the moment" control BOTH parties in American politics - McCain & Palin were both hand-picked Repub nominees by the Neo-Cons (Palin in particular the choice of Republican neo-con enfant terrible  Bill Kristol! IDIOT Bill KRISTOL  http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012/07/09/the-guy-who-elevated-sarah-palin...

the KING-MAKER of the Republican Party! ), and of course the Rubin/Summers/Greenspan/Bernanke/Geithner GS/Citi/JPM/Fed crew OWN Clinton, Pelosi, Kerry, Obama, Biden... and all the other 'heavy-hitter' "Democrat" pols as well...   

   As the Chinese say, with the loonies OWNING or CONTROLLING _EVERYTHING_, and having a blood-lust to see MILLIONS die or be enslaved, we do live in "interesting times"!

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Tue, 02/21/2012 - 05:15 | 2180236 caerus
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two peanuts walk into a bar, and one was a-salted

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 07:27 | 2174555 Disenchanted
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An interesting bit of reading very appropriate for this topic:

 

Armageddon Politics

The Rule of the Righteous Ones

http://www.metahistory.org/gnostique/tarbabyjesus/ArmageddonPolitics.php

 

excerpt:

 

 

This is fine and frank. We see a respected journalist making himself vulnerable. But in a metahistorical perspective, Moyers has hardly begun to tackle the credibility issue here. The fact that endtime theology (or annihilation theology, as I propose to call it) is credible to many is a bare fact of our times. Any journalist might report it as such. The trick is, the report is credible, but what it reports about is not credible to those who do not embrace the messianic ideology of fundamentalism. What is most shocking to Moyers is that those who are in the category of non-believers, the infidels, now find themselves sidelined in history, disempowered socially and politically by those who do believe.

 

Considering the alarm signalled by Bill Moyers in his keynote talk, it may really be time to look at religious beliefs with a critical eye, to see if they might be insane and inhumane. Of course, it is dangerous to propose the critique of beliefs, as we do in this site, because it seems to violate the general principle of tolerance for all faiths. But what happens when you tolerate a belief system that is itself intolerant? The genocidal ideology of the Dead Sea Scrolls exemplifies religious intolerance coupled with endtime fanaticism. Scary stuff, this. But the insanity did not die with the Zaddikim. The formula that once threatened the Roman Empire became incorporated into it. More lately, it has been incorporated into global imperialism and enshrined in the heart of millions who cherish it with their lives, believing that it represents a message of universal love delivered by the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was sent to earth by the Father God. The message of love and tolerance is like a sugar coating on the genocidal pill. Now that's really scary.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 06:55 | 2174525 QuickFrozen
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Sun, 02/19/2012 - 00:54 | 2174346 chindit13
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I believe I am a sheeple who has lost his way.  Would someone be kind enough to direct me to the financial website Zerohedge?

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 03:20 | 2174436 Element
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chindit, you know perfectly well that politics, finance and economics are inseparable, and that finance is intimately tied up in warfare, and that religion is being used to incite war.

Or you are in-denial of this?

Read the zh manifesto if it helps you to understand that 'Tyler', version 1.0, setup zh specifically to incorporate the open and brutal discussion of all such interrelated issues.  If you want to understand how the world REALLY works and how these factors affect markets then it's pretty clear zh thinks knowledge of such matters is prerequisite.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 03:32 | 2174451 AnAnonymous
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But if you dont deny the intrinsicate links, how do you kick the can, how do you repell the reality just at hand?

It is not like we were not in a current situation of manufacturing wars for financial and economical benefits. We are right in the middle.

If we were in a different period of time, we could discuss of those topics because they would not be just right here, just before our faces, screaming at us. They would be irrelevant, part of a hypothetical future. We could even discuss of how it would be fun to manufacture those wars and how fun it would be to kill those poorly equiped invaded people.

Signed: a US citizen.

PS: I'm gone to the local recruitment bureau. I've just realized that if I missed the current opportunity of killing for fun, later, I'd only be offered opportunities that would get me life time.
You have to make the best of what you are given, bro.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 21:20 | 2174043 Augustus
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Geo Wash, following the commandments of his True Muslim guidance from Khomeini, has mounted the goat and made it his own.

It is practice until his betrothed reaches legal age of 9.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 03:23 | 2173973 Element
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One of your all time best articles George.

We share the same base view on this topic, and there needs to be more light shone on the pure murderous madness of a system of belief that is none other than the ultimate form of greed.

Mass butchery so I can have Paradise NOW.

Sick arseholes, all of them.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 19:59 | 2173875 geekgrrl
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I'm all for the right to free expression of religion, but when people see themselves as actors in an apocalyptic script written by God, that's where I draw the line. I personally think most religious followers are delusional, but I'm happy to give them the space to practice their delusion if it makes them feel better, provided they don't make things worse for the rest of us. I'm reminded of a few paragraphs by Gregory Bateson that relate to the whole god question:

"Anthropologically, it would seem from what we know of the early material, that man in society took clues from the natural world around him and applied those clues in a sort of metaphoric way to the society in which he lived. That is, he identified with or empathized with the natural world around him and took that empathy as a guide for his own social organization and his own theories of his own psychology. This was what is called 'totemism.'

In a way it was all nonsense, but it made more sense than most of what we do today, because the natural world around us really has this general systemic structure and therefore is an appropriate source of metaphor to enable man to understand himself in his social organization.

The next step, seemingly, was to reverse the process and to take clues from himself and apply these to the natural world around him. This was 'animism,' extending the notion of personality or mind to mountains, rivers, forests, and such things. This was still not a bad idea in many ways. But the next step was to separate the notion of mind from the natural world, and then you get the notion of gods.

But when you separate mind from the structure in which it is immanent, such as human relationship, the human society, or the ecosystem, you thereby embark, I believe, on fundamental error, which will in the end surely hurt you.

Struggle may be good for your soul up to the moment when to win the battle is easy. When you have an effective enough technology so that you can really act upon your epistemological errors and can create havoc in the world in which you live, then the error is lethal. Epistemological error is all right, it's fine, up to the point at which you create around yourself a universe in which that error becomes immanent in monstrous changes of the universe that you have created and now try to live in."

BTW, I'm not an atheist or agnostic, I just think God/Goddess is right here, not off in space somewhere. To me the bible is just a book written by the priests to control the masses. 

GWs point about atheist neocons is also right on. These kind of folks are described at great length in the book The Authoritarians, and they are the social dominators of the world. Representing around 1% of the population, they are the sociopaths of the world who don't believe in, but utilize religion, and more particularly people who believe in religions, to further their selfish aims.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 18:29 | 2175948 Cathartes Aura
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another great post highlighting mind dynamics, and the tendency to seek rules 'n' rulerships.

But the next step was to separate the notion of mind from the natural world, and then you get the notion of gods.

and to assign the characteristics that which you seek to dominate to that which you deem "lesser" - the line drawn in the cultural mind, duality, is good vs. bad, man vs. woman, god vs. nature - so the story is fleshed out by religions who assign: good, man, god vs. bad, woman, nature. . . history is FULL of these stories, which is of course, why it's history!   axiomatic.

as to your final paragraph, agreed as well - the "social dominators" or "the sociopaths of the world who don't believe in, but utilize religion, and more particularly people who believe in religions, to further their selfish aims." - well, when has this not been true, prove-able through historical records of western "civilisation"?

good reading.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 19:29 | 2173822 Augustus
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Geo Wash,

Ask your True Muslim friends how many times they screw a goat before they slaughter it.  Is that why you defend the Followers of the Prophet so strongly?

 

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 20:36 | 2173955 4horse
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The crux of the problem, however, is neither borders nor militant Zionism as such, but rather the toxic subversion that a sovereign Jewish state has been able to achieve of the leadership of the Western democracies which in several nations has reached the point of a veritable coup d’etat  .  .  .

 
This stealthy conquest-from-within of America has enabled the Zionists to dictate U.S. foreign, military, financial and immigration policy and thus denationalize and destabilize the country, furthering their goal of a World Government under their control.  The takeover has been financed partly by earnings from international banking and other forms of organized crime made possible by the existence of a safe-haven where both the criminals and their spoils can be protected from retribution and retrieval. No other criminal community in the world has this advantage. It is invaluable in laundering the immense profits from international drug dealing, arms sales, major fraud, prostitution, embezzlement, theft, smuggling and other wrongdoing, all on a grand scale.  Ironically, much of the laundered money is returned to its country of origin, further corrupting the political process and dispossessing the original victims  .  .  .

http://www.radicalpress.com/?p=1315

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 19:13 | 2173793 Watchman
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"This all revolves around what is called Dispensationalism. So popular is Dispensationalism that Tim LaHaye's Left Behind series has sold 65 million copies. Dispensationalists include the following mega-pastors and their churches:"

"Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham

They are supported by politicians such as:

Newt Gingrich, Joseph Lieberman, John McCain ..."

I am a Christian who believes the bible from Genesis to Revelation. I have studied and held to these beliefs for over 3 decades. Long ago I rejected so called Christian leaders such as those listed above. If they all disapeared from radio and TV today it would not be to soon.

As far as Israel is concerned ... when Christians and all others take their hands off what belongs to God then all that is to be fullfilled will be. 

True Christianity is not mainstream anything ... those that consider themselves Christians need to realize that Christ Himself was not mainstream ... He rebelled against the religion of that day.  

 

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 10:05 | 2174641 my puppy for prez
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I concur wholeheartedly!

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 19:11 | 2173790 AUD
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Actually, GW might be onto something here.

There is a nut job 'journalist' here in Australia - http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/ - who fits this description almost to a tee. He's not even Jewish, supposedly agnostic, but I believe he runs in quite influential 'Jewish' circles.

The reason I think he is so dangerous is that he cloaks his 'zionism' in plain vanilla 'conservatism', that is, alot of what he saying makes sense.

 

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 04:12 | 2174476 Element
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He's the bad-cop of our zionist MSM left good-cop, verses, right bad-cop circus.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 19:05 | 2173784 Reese Bobby
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I am a Christian.

 

I find it interesting how much vitriol is directed towards Christians today.  Perhaps this world is Enemy occupied territory?

 

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 20:19 | 2173906 Kipper und Wipp...
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iPerhaps this world is Enemy occupied territory?

Indeed ... who is it that Christ identifies "prince" of this world, "who hath nothing in me?" Who was it who claimed that he had authority to grant Jesus dominion (note that word) over the Earth, if he would only bow down and worship him? (Which was promised to Adam, but who abrogated it for the false promise to become "like God.")

The same one inspiring both counterfeit pseudo-Christian nonsense, and those who, citing that counterfeit nonsense, attack true Christianity.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 12:43 | 2174948 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Agreed, one hundred percent.

 

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 19:36 | 2173830 paint it red ca...
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"YEP, SON, WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US."

                                                                                         Pogo

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 09:53 | 2174629 Element
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Don't worry, there are plenty of racist murdering Islamic bastards to go around, as well, watch this guy's vid to the end;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=eWXmMOSxojM

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 12:40 | 2174941 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It's true; no nation, religion, or culture has a monopoly on racist murdering bastards.

It is simply human nature to place the blame for problems on another group. This has been going on for thousands of years, as can be seen in the Bible.

 

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 20:10 | 2173895 Reese Bobby
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"...like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind."

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 19:34 | 2173826 DeadFred
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Certainly most politicians and the media.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 12:35 | 2174927 TheFourthStooge-ing
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DeadFred said:

Certainly most politicians and the media.

Agreed, as well as politically manipulative, power seeking, charlatan hucksters like John Hagee.

 

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 18:49 | 2173760 mendolover
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I dare anyone to say anything bad about Billy Graham.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 10:10 | 2174644 my puppy for prez
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I WILL!

I am a Christ-follower, and I can confirm that Billy Graham is both deceived, and a deceiver.  

But Jesus did say that in the last days even the "elect" would be deceived....so it does not surprise me.

I challenge you to search "Billy Graham deception" or some similar phrase, and have the courage to thoroughly investigate his actions and statements over the years that are in direct opposition to the words of Christ.  It is sad, but true.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 18:55 | 2173766 strannick
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He just did. GW wont let facts get in the way of his insinuations.

"Billy Graham and the Christians wants world war 3!!" Progressive Liberals will not tolerate slander and demagogery, unless its their slander and demogogery.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 18:41 | 2173742 Dingleberry
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This is the main reason churches are now EMPTY.  That's why I left. I saw the light. Most of us true christians realized long ago that when a (usually fat) preacher got onstage and then allowed a vile politician to share the same stage.....it was time to go. Obviously, neither has self-control and they are trying to control us with fire and brimstone. What a travesty.  Remember the "god, guns and gays" fear mongering? What did it get us? Abortion still legal? check. Gays in the military now? check. Gay marriage and adoption? check. The church was duped. You were duped. And if you are still in a church, aside from community involvement and such.....have fun being duped.  But Jesus told you as such. The biggest hypocrites are found there, at least according to him. And this nonesensical "support the chosen ones" at all costs is why you are broke. And body bags are coming home daily.  Ad this country gets caught repeatedly spying on us.  How disgusting......Hope you are happy now.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 21:27 | 2174053 Watchman
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Dingleberry,

I agree with you. I have left the brick and mortar church long ago. True Christianity is one on one and in small groups. Here we as the body of Christ all have a voice and can share what our savior has laid on our heart. This is how the body of Christ grows. How it doesn't grow is sitting in a pew once a week staring at the back of someone's head listening to the same guy week after week spew out what he thinks we should hear and do. I must say that I have received and grown more in a small interactive group than could ever be possible in that stale church pew setting.  

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 20:18 | 2173920 Reese Bobby
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Your Pride could be dangerous.  "For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”  Not to say I am not wary of the World Council of Churches.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 18:49 | 2173751 strannick
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This article is a progressive liberals version of McArthyism. In another generation the slogan was 'beware the infiltrating communists'. Now its, 'the Christians want world war 3'. When idiot articles like this get swallowed up, its no wonder we get manipulative banker puppets like Obama and Romney for leaders.

Well done on spreading hate and disinformation, GW. Your namesake is rolling in his grave, and Joe Mcarthy and Goebbels are high fiving you across the ages.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 19:19 | 2173799 JR
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I’m afraid it’s true, strannick. They represent the GOP vote behind Rick Santorum whose song while he was in the Senate was “Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran. After he was voted out by Pennsylvanians, he went on the Jewish payroll of the American Enterprise Institute, a Jewish think tank.

Ignorance that allows one to be propagandized is no excuse for murder whatever ones moniker and it's a great insult to the millions of practicing Christians.

Glenn Greenwald explains how they have distorted the commandment: Thou shalt not kill.

“It’s just like background noise: two families of [Afghan] children wiped out by an American missile (yawn: at least we don’t target them on purpose like those evil Terrorists: we just keep killing them year after year after year without meaning to). It’s acceptable to make arguments that American wars should end because they’re costing too much money or American lives or otherwise harming American strategic interests, but piles of corpses of innocent children are something only the shrill, shallow and unSerious — pacifists! — point to as though they have any meaning in terms of what should be done.

“This kind of thinking would, I suppose, be viable if these were very isolated incidents. But they’re not. All in the name of a single, one-day attack more than a decade ago, the U.S. has spent more than ten years slaughtering Muslim children in numerous countries in all sorts of different ways, and we continue to do it unabated — see here, here, here, here, here, and here as just illustrative examples. All this as The Washington Post demands regime change in Iran, national security reporters start casually calling for war in Syria the way most people ponder their lunch options, and it is reported today that the U.S. is escalating its drone attacks and other proxy war fighting in Somalia.

At some point, doesn’t a country’s ongoing willingness year after year to extinguish the lives of innocent human beings in multiple countries, for no good reason, seriously mar the character of the country and the political leaders responsible for it, to say nothing of the way it inexorably degrades the political culture of the nation and the minds of the citizens who acquiesce to it? That should be nothing more than a rhetorical question. The gap between how many Americans perceive of their nation’s role in the world and the reality is indescribably wide.”

http://politics.salon.com/2011/11/25/the_fruits_of_liberation/

 

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 03:56 | 2174470 AnAnonymous
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It’s acceptable to make arguments that American wars should end because they’re costing too much money or American lives or otherwise harming American strategic interests, but piles of corpses of innocent children are something only the shrill, shallow and unSerious — pacifists! — point to as though they have any meaning in terms of what should be done.
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Not only it is acceptable but it is required by US citizenism.

US citizenism has taken the popular stance that the unborn are threats. Enabling massive campaigns to deal with the threat caused by the unborn.

Once the unborn is considered a threat, it grows extremelly difficult to argue that any born is not threatening.

Children are threats in US citizenism. Eliminating threats do not harm.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 18:58 | 2178932 4horse
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Israeli citizenism has taken the popular stance that the unborn are threats. Enabling massive campaigns to deal with the threat caused by the unborn.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 17:41 | 2175856 Cathartes Aura
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I think you'll find it is not the "unborn" or "children" that are threats to US citizenism - it is the unruly female womb that needs to be tamed and controlled BY LAWS. . .

controlling female fertility, this one's as old as. . . the Big Black Book.

if folks were concerned about the "babies" they would be focusing their attention on protecting and nurturing them, NOT on controlling the wombs of fertile women.

over 20% of US children live in poverty, but yeah, we need to make sure more are born.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:37 | 2178281 DosZap
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Cathartes Aura,

DEFINE this pls;

over 20% of US children live in poverty

If 20% live in poverty whose fault is it?.

Last I noticed is there are so many private charities and government programs for them, if they are in Poverty(doing without) food,clothing, and shelter,(that is poverty) then someone is not taking advantage of the largest freebie society in the world.

Help is readily available, all one has to do is ask for it. There is ZERO reason for any child to go without any of these basics, and more.........this is one of the most discussed topics here....................Gov Programs and freebies.

The most poverty stricken Americans still live FAR above approx 97% of the rest of the world.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 21:08 | 2179309 Cathartes Aura
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DosZap, I absolutely understand that poverty is relative, and that the children of amrkns who live in poverty are not comparable to say, the poverty of say, an African state under the colonising eye of the "first world" - however, I volunteer at a local food bank, and I can tell you that there is not enough donated now to address the needs of families who do go hungry - some of this is because of restrictions on what can be donated, so food ends up in locked dumpsters, but in the main, it's the sheer number of those in need that we are witnessing.

and yes, the gov't. does have programs - are you aware that many are "full" and have long waiting lists for such services as assisted housing, etc.?  and that in many many cities, shelters are full, or have criteria that excludes many?  or that "private charities" have agendas that include restrictions on their "giving"?

your belief that all one need do is outstretch the hand, and it will be filled - this is perhaps somewhat true in years past, but we've long since passed the curve of being able to handle so many out of work, out of homes, out of "luck" - a long drive through the less wealthy neighbourhoods will illustrate this better than I can here.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 19:49 | 2173846 strannick
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Well, it will be Obama doing the Muslim slaughtering. The progressive liberals capacity for cognitive dissonance is astounding. Of course if he doesnt stay in, it will be Mormon Romney doing the slaughtering. Guess that means its America doing the slaughtering.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 20:21 | 2173916 Cathartes Aura
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it won't be "obama doing the muslim slaughtering" - it will be the volunteer military working for the corporations & bankers who own government, so yes it will be "America doing the slaughtering."

and this current round began under the devout Bushling, so you can drop the "progressive liberal" schtick - it's not so much a "left right" divide as a horizontal line dividing "top and bottom" - guess where the line drawers position you?

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 20:27 | 2173936 Reese Bobby
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We have a One-Party political system.  At the same time, a populace who ignored Ross Perot and lined up for Federal crumbs is not blameless.  I wish the average person would show some of the balls our ancestors did:  keep your hand-outs and get out of the way Uncle Sam.  Alas too many people today are content to be lazy on the Government teat ,and are too clueless to know that is how TPTB want it.

 

Finally, Muslims can be God's children if they just stop their Devil worship.  Just like the whole Bush family!

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 17:34 | 2175844 Cathartes Aura
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Muslims are their God's children, and your God is not theirs - tho' most of us are more familiar with The Devils of Christian story than the God of Muslims - so who worships what?

on Dubya's clan, we appear to be in agreement.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 18:27 | 2173713 El Oregonian
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B/S.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 17:48 | 2173656 dolly madison
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The article is fine.  Many of the comments in response seem lunatic.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 17:01 | 2173553 JLee2027
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Any Christian who wants the Second Coming will wait, not start wars. Only Satan wants to start wars.  

 

You cannot force the hand of God.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 16:43 | 2173516 YouThePeople
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GW knows how to push the hot button and bring out all the egocentricity of the ones 'in the know'. Most amusing.

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