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Paul Ryan: "Do You Want Barack Obama To Be Reelected? Then Don't Vote For Ron Paul"
It took a while for the unspoken truth to be finally spoken, but sooner or later, it always is. Via The Hill:
Paul Ryan argued Monday that a vote for a third-party candidate would likely help President Obama win reelection.
Ryan was asked why voters should not vote for Ron Paul. The Republican vice presidential candidate responded that a vote for Paul, who ran for the 2012 GOP nomination, would effectively split the vote in a way that helps Obama.
"Do you want Barack Obama to be reelected? Then don't vote for Ron Paul," Ryan said during a campaign speech in Lima, Ohio, on Monday.
Ryan went on to say that Paul was a good friend.
"Actually, Ron's a friend of mine. I know Ron very well. I like Ron quite a bit. There are many things that Ron has championed that I'm a big believer in, especially liberty and sound money."
Although Paul is no longer campaigning for president, he has not endorsed Mitt Romney's campaign.
What if one wants Ron Paul to be elected? Can one vote for Ron Paul then?
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I vote for Lauren Lyster to win a seat in my living room
After 4 more years of an all-girl White House, what will the 47% become? 52%? And how many on food stamps? Any projections yet?
"Do you want Barack Obama to be reelected? Then don't vote for Ron Paul,"
This is also an ambiguous statement. It could mean any of these things,
- Don’t vote for Ron Paul and you will help Obama get elected.
- Don’t vote for Ron Paul and you will help Romney get elected.
- Vote for Obama if you want Obama reelected.
- Vote for Romney if you want Obama reelected.
???????
Spoken like a true politician.
I'll be writing in Tyler Durden.
Seriously though, I've drawn my line in the sand and I will not vote for another one of these hand picked candidates by the banks. Ron Paul isn't a registered write-in in my state, so I will be voting Gary Johnson and the rest of the Libertarian candidates.
well, this is a pauling
I may be a blind ideolog but I cannot risk another Obama term. I believe that everything that has occurred in the last four years has been absolutely deliberate. I believe that it is no coincidence that all of the worlds socialist leaning governments are collapsing at the same time. Read what the socialist/communists have planned for the last 70 years. This all fits and a social, financial, political collapse is the leverage required for the absolute, and largely voluntarily given, centralized power grab. I choose the potentially corrupt capitalist over the obvious socialist. We can argue about fascism vs. socialism, but it is irrelevant. It is central control without recourse and once it is in place it is over. How long has Russia and China and North Korea and Cuba been trying to recover from their collapse and revolution? Stay at home or better yet write in Ron Paul, but never tell me you are not responsible for the result of the election. We are all part of this mess but if you are telling me you want to see a crash like we are get some glorious reset, I call bullshit. It will be the shitstorm of all time. If you lament all of the unintended consequences of government policies, just watch this one blow. There will be shit in everyone's eyes and we will all be "comrades" now!
If I were a pussy, I'd be afaid of a shitstorm too.
Don't worry, I'm not going to vote for Ron Paul. Republicans keep telling me that a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama. Fine.
I'll vote for Obama. I got plenty of ammo and I'm trained and proficient. Are you?
I got more ammo than Walmart but i would still rather be a pussy than an idiot. Choose your battles wisely.
If you think this has all be deliberately planned, then how can you not believe that we're coming up to a point where we're going to have to decide what direction the human race is going to go in for the next couple hundred years?
If we are getting to that point, then would you rather the status quo be maintained long enough for you to peacefully pass from this earth, so that your kids can deal with the shitstorm that you ducked?
What does Russia have to do with any of what you are trying to talk about? I am perplexed. Have you ever been to Russia and do you know how business is conducted there as opposed to the West? What risk are you facing from another Obama term that would be different from a Romney term?
"I believe that everything that has occurred in the last four years has been absolutely deliberate."
Please explain your postion more clearly.
"Read what the socialist/communists have planned for the last 70 years."
No link? We should read or you should read?
"I choose the potentially corrupt capitalist over the obvious socialist."
What is the difference? Please explain.
"We are all part of this mess but if you are telling me you want to see a crash like we are get some glorious reset, I call bullshit."
I did not create the mess nor did most of anyone who posts on ZH. There will be a reset.
Please use the following guide to construct arguments that are not logical fallacies the next time you decide to post. We might be able to arrive at a conclusion if you chose to do so.
Thank You For Your Participation
http://onegoodmove.org/fallacy/toc.htm
If you like socialism, just say so. You don't have to be a shit about it.
Why is there going to be a reset? Has someone planned it? Or is it just inevitable?
I've been reading about how this is ievitable for about 25 years starting with "crest of the title wave', and that's only because that's when I was old enough to even give a shit. and in the 50s and 60s it was nuclear armageddon and in the 70s it was the pending ice age and oil shortage and so on. All I see are various capitalistic entities getting rich on those who believe in some future impending dystopia.
"...all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Do not allow evil to triumph. Do not do sit by and do nothing."
As for the reset...be careful what you ask for, you just may get it...
Dear Clueless Romney and Ryan:
If you want the votes of Ron Paul supporters, Incorporate Ron Paul's objectives into your platform.
Threatening Voters with 4 more years of Obama doesn't get it.
Morons! The reason you are behind in the polls is because of the mindless, bankrupt campaign you are running. Dun!
Nobody wants the shit you are currently peddling. What does it take to open your eyes?
You could turn this whole campaign over if you had a clue how to appeal to the people who currently do not support either candidate.
But I'm not going to hold my breath. Idiots.
Paul Ryan doesn't get bupkus - he also ain't gonna be V.P. - about what people in the U.S. are thinking or going through. I'm sure that we all know how out of touch CONgress is, in general. Paul Ryan is the poster child for author Jon Ronson's "The Psychopath Test", which should be required reading for all. You wanna know how your leaders think and how they got where they are today, read this tome.
It doesn't get any worse than obama. I'd vote for my cat over Barry.
Hey obama, go fuck yourself!
The leftist trolls seems pretty strong here. Vote for anyone but Romney heh? What strategy does that project? Like its all about Ron Paul. This really is a "stupid" test isn't it? Romney is the same as Obama so don't vote! None of them are Ron Paul and the GOP disrespected him, so don't vote or write in Paul. They are all the same so vote Obama to end it sooner! Wow, it seems the only responsible action is to take an action that eliminates any potential votes for Romney. So is ZH an official anti Romney site now? Who is the only other potentially viable election winner? Why its OBAMA! But yet nobody says vote Obama because he is the better candidate? And yet we should reject the lesser of two evils idea. While admittedly i'm not clear on the equation, I clearly see the answer. Obama! Cowards! If you want the clown, then just stand up an say so!
You are philoshophicaly missing the point Oldwood because you appear to not have been involved in politics much. What we are asking is why do we need a president at all? What does the president really do? Cui bono? I politely asked you to present a viable and reasonable argument to debate per your previous assertions. You have not done so and have instead committed logical fallacies.
It would appear that you have not read all of the threads on this post. I would advise that you consider doing so before posting again. I too must be careful of committing logical fallacies. Is that fair?
Your logical fallacy would seem to be the belief that we can have a large complex society without any centralized power structure with no apparent examples in modern history of this happening. Your fallacy is the same as Marx in that he beleved if he could institute a communist dictatorship for several generations the human race would become pure communist, dropping the need for a dictator in favor of anarchy. It has never worked. Communists believe it hasn't worked because for communism to work it has to have 100% world participation. As with all big progressive ideas that ultimately fail, they only fail because they just didn't go big enough. Your failure in logic is the belief in an unproven theory rather than to accept the dirty reality.....we are all human with human flaws and weaknesses. Social order will always construct systems it perceives are to its benefit. Once the size becomes so large that it becomes selfserving it starts its process of destruction. Our goal should be to recognize the stages and as citizens step in to correct it before it gets out of hand. We have failed. As i said before I believe that much that is happening now on the world stage as well as the small stage is deliberate to crash the system to allow socialists to take full control and i think the fear many will have of the crisis's that are coming will drive them to demand that "leaders" take power directly in their hands to save us. As Obama says, he can't wait around for congress to act, he will take action on his own.
Going from "No president" to Marx is a big jump. I'm not willing to make it and that is not what I hear from this poster.
This is not about Socialism or Communism. When authority becomes too centralized and heirarchical, systems are not redundant and resilient. They become so specialized that they become too fragile to withstand a real crisis. Take out one part of the system and the whole falls apart quickly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starfish_and_the_Spider
Anyone who thinks you can cut the head off of this monster and not have anarchy just does not make sense to me.....anymore than Marx idea of a successfull anarchy. How can you say socialism or communism is irrelevant yet see centralized power as the danger? I really don't care what you call it but an all powerful, centrally controlled society means the end of all freedoms not to mention free economy. It goes beyond concepts of what you or I feels as important to our personal freedom, it spells the end of any financial prosperity except for a chosen few. The end of America. That is obviously not to troubling for many here.A fundamental change of America that so many voted for. I did not....and will not.
Lao-tzu knew that one must be true to themselves but for people to live together some rules of interaction must be imposed. To that end we have a system of govenrment. The US system, with its flaws, is still the best system and to destroy it or otherwise allow for its destruction through inaction will be the largest mistake in world history. The destruction of the US is the destruction of any remaining cohesive force for good in the world.
This is lunacy...
This shit will be long gone one day, but I would still have to answer to myself if I voted for either of these fuckwits.
So we have the idiots that don't vote because they are lazy or just don't give a shit, and we have the idiots that do vote becasue they know not what they do, and then we have you, who basically are principle concern is just not having to take the blame.
And since RP can't possibly win, they get to tell themselves "It's not my fault", regardless. They don't give a flying fuck about anyone else - they're "anti-victims". Instead of saying, it's Bushes fault they want to be able to say "It's not my fault". Just recycled libs - wouldn't be able to see the truth of anything if it hit them in the eye.
@RSBriggs: What is your experience level in the GOP? Have you ever helped a campaign or donated your time to a parade, doorknocking, phonebanks, fundraising, et al? Have you ever been a delegate or held an executive committee position?
Donated, yes. Maximums to Sarah Palin in 2008 (There was some old white guy running on that ticket too, as I recall), and to Ron Paul in 2012. Supported Ross Perot back in the day, before he lost his marbles... I'm registered Independant, I don't affiliate with a party, I pick candidates based on my personal preferences and my estimation of them doing a better job for the country. Ron Paul was clearly the best choice, but unfortunately RP isn't on the ballot, and I'm apparantly not a true cultist like the most of the rest of the RP people here. I only see two basic choices available to me on the ballot. Obama and Romney. (I don't consider Gary Johnson a viable choice - I hate fucking communists, and RP isn't on the ballot.) I'm voting Romney. In fact, for the first time ever this year, I may even end up voting straight 'R' instead of picking and choosing candidates.
As a businessman, you sometimes don't like the choices you have to make, but you have to make them anyway. Usually those choices are binary - you get to pick one or the other. You might not like either, but tough shit - you find out the universe doesn't owe you a damn thing and doesn't care the slightest bit what you might like or dislike. Given a dilemma - two less than perfect choices, all I can do is to attempt to make the best choice I find available to me. Since I don't know of a single (D) on the ballot this year that can tell the truth and/or isn't an outright convicted criminal, I'm voting (R) this year because it is the best choice I have available to me, I may wish differently but my wishes aren't able to change reality. In business you quickly learn that wishing doesn't ship product or pay the employees or solve problems. You make the best choice you have at the time you have to make that choice, then work as hard as you can to make sure the next time you have more options than a choice between a shit-sandwich with mayo and a shit-sandwich with mustard. You might wish it was steak, but wishing doesn't make it so.
I'll have put in my vote and done the best I can under the curcumstances, and if Romney loses and the fascist wins - then fuck this country, it's gotten what it deserves. I'll leave to to Y'all to deal with the Obama fascist, complete with newly commissioned re-do of the US flag and Black Panther enforcers. You can get ready to start bowing towards Mecca in Saudi Arabia five times a day. I dunno, maybe you like beating up on women, molesting 6 year olds and fucking sheep because you think women are unclean and don't have souls, anyway - like the Quaraan teaches - whatever floats your boat, I suppose. Not me thanks - I've done my part for this country by slogging around in the rice paddies of Vietnam (and picking off the leeches afterwards), back in the 60's - and yes, I vote and I vote my conscience.
Sorry, but not choosing anyone IS making a choice so you don't get to say "It's not my fault" - if King Barack Hussein Obama wins re-election it will be your fault just as much as the voters that voted him back in. Throw all the tantrums you want (just like the libs) and say "I'm not buying into the system by voting" but that doesn't relieve you of the responsibility for the outcome. It will still be your fault.
Refuse to face reality if you so choose (just like the libs). But you ARE making a choice, you're just refusing to take any responsibilty for that choice (just like the libs) . No matter how distasteful you might find it, or how similar you might find the two candidates, you ARE making a choice and influencing the future course of this country by voting or NOT VOTING. (FWIW If Obama wins this election I'm laying off everyone, closing down my business, scraping up what cash I can and "going Galt" by moving the hell out of the US. I'll vote once in the election and one additional time with my feet, if necessary.)
Freedom comes with responsibility. Being irresponsible ("Not my fault") doesn't advance that cause any more than playing the victim ("It's Bush's fault, or it's the movies fault - I'm just an innocent victim") (just like the libs). Grow the fuck up and take some responsibility for your life, people. This would be a far better country if more people did that.
(NB: My definition of a liberal is someone that thinks I owe them the money *I* make so they can spend it the way *THEY* want to.)
"Donated, yes."
That was an impressive diatribe Sir! Let us examine the quote "Donated, yes". So you gave the R party money and now you believe yourself to be exonerated for your actions back in Nam? Did you enjoy your war experience and what does your veteran status have to do with economics? It almost sounds like you think that because of your veteran status that you, and only other veterans alone, should enjoy the right to vote.
I can't fix it. Ask Romney to fix it and trade war stories/derivatives with him.
Manip...how have you worked to fix it? Marching around your basement screaming 'world cabal', 'eugenics', "horde PMs". It seems to me that one who has been forced or otherwise served in the military gets to espouse his views just as much as you, and probably deserves a bit more respect. So, what the fuck have you done to 'fix it'? Whatever it is, you haven't done anyting that has worked because it's still pretty much broken.
WHat he says is the reality. And not voting for Romney IS voting for Obama - and you may not give a shit but it leads us down a very bad path. Obama is a guy who has promised the Russioans to be 'more flexible' after the election. Just what the fuck does that mean...I'm sure it means something that you would be against.
And what have I done...I've spoken to people, tried to change minds and in some cases have succeeded, I've started my own cottage food business, support the small local guys, got rid of all my credit cards,leanred to use my guns safely, pretty much withdrawn from the system as much as I can...So, I'm living it. But, ultimately we've got a huge unwieldy government that can make life better or worse. Obama is worse, Romney is somewhat better, I'm still taking the path that leads to better.
God bless you...you've got this right...but you're wasting your efforts here, but maybe we'll reach a couple of these people...as much as these folks are brilliant on money, and economics, etc, a majority are living in a fantasy world where the people will rise up and guillotine the elites and win the big civil war. I would rather we not have to go down that path. it will be a certainty if obamao wins again.
"if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"....and if you choose to vote for anyone but Mittens, or not to vote at all, you are choosing misery and death for a lot of people. This isn't a fucking game, these people want to shut up those that oppose them...they're already making intimations that they will begin curbing free speech (we must protect the muslims by banning things that are offensive to muslims), Obama is looking for the button to push to go Full China and shut down the internet. It's happening every day...
Why do people call a man who is half white a black? Are they racist?
It used to be the law that if you had 1/16 black heritage, you were legally black.
Langston Hughes, Simple Takes a WifeObama?
Romney?
Ron Paul?
That's the best we can do? C'mon. FUBAR.
You Obummer retreads who shifted to Ron Paul crack me up. Vote the crack of your ass for all I care. Just be aware that if Obummer gets back in, he will kill millions of U.S. citizens, if Martial Law is declared. (And whites and Ron Paul supporters will be first on the hit list).
Romney may be a neocon, but Obummer is a MONSTER.
Be sure to bring a sharpie to the voting place -- pencils don't write very well on that plastic computer display screen.
Pointing out something logical like that is of no use. Ron Paulites are just libs that latched onto a different colored messiah. They can't hear you - la la la - because they're out in lala land even further than supporters of King Barack Hussein.
"Ron Paulites are just libs that latched onto a different colored messiah."
@RSBriggs Let us see if you can debate as the rest of the Romney crowd can not muster an intelligible argument nor can the Obama crowd. I am in neither crowd. Proceed Sir.
How are "Ron Paulites" just "libs"?
True liberals perhaps?
not voting is an option..when corruption across the gov and courts is so obvious. if you see the system as total corruption not voting is an option, i do not want either of the parties in power. i cannot jump in this cess pool and come out clean.
You are right here. You are not forced to vote. YET. So, don't vote...Obama wins, and then you have to vote. You'll see....there is a very slight difference in the two candidates.
So if I follow te logic of that sentence I should vote RP, thanks Paul we'll do.
RON PAUL!.. Hey! where are you?...:P
double post sorry
my wife says I have to vote for Romney but I want to vote for Ron Paul. maybe I can register at two different adresses and vote twice.
Maybe you should listen to your wife on this one.
Anyone who wants to vote for Ron Paul should do so.
I want to see what the numbers really are.
You know what the numbers will be? Zero...they won't count and they'll throw them out. He's not on the ballot. I think we know what the numbers would be somewhere between 10-15 percent. IF Ron were on the ballot and could get some positive press from the MSM (pro obama zealots) you probably would see him getting 20% - as much as you or I love him and his ideas, close to 50 are on the dole and need to keep getting the cheese and the rest want to be able to make the cheese. Jeesus, what don't you get...
It is my opinion that half of the people who vote for Obama just want to wave the "see, I'm not racist" flag.
I'm voting for Ron Paul because he is the best candidate for POTUS. If the Romney Ryan ticket is not strong enough to defeat Obama, then the Republican party is responsible for not running the strongest candidate (as well as suppressing the will of a sizable contingent of the duly and legitimately elected Republican party delegates).
And you are voting for Ron Paul HOW exactly? Unless he's registered as a write in candidate, and he has not so registered in ANY state, you won't be able to select him on the computer screen. Very few polling places still use paper ballots.
Even if there IS a paper ballot, and you write in Ron Paul they won't count it. This has happened to me. I wrote him in for the 2008 election, official results in the state of Vermont did not show ANY votes for Ron Paul in my town, which had 250 people, of which probably 160 voted.
It seems the brain trust that make up the majority of the respondents on this site would rather have Obamao institute restriction of any remaining freedoms, have Michelle impose calorie counts on the general pulbic and let it all slip into a totalitarian state (more so than it is now) than hold their noses and vote for the one guy who can beat Obama (all other candidates aren't on the ballots of all the states needed to win enough electoral votes to win the presidency) because they believe somehow they know about the big world wide cabal of bankers and eugenicists looking to destroy the world and start their own new race of super beings.
Instead of voting for someone who will actually preserve the right to speak your mind, or to earn a fucking living, they want to assure the destruction of the US as a capitalist state. Yes, it's flawed, but my life in this country was much better under the people who espoused our values and loved the country versus those of this set of hitlers running the show right now.
Again, I go back to - you can vote for a guy who guarantees the destruction of what remains of this country (obama) or you can vote for a guy that might actually reduce our spending, might actually get us back on a good path, and allow for us to start to move in the right direction (romney). Maybe he won't but the choice today is vote for a guy who 100% guarantees the destruction of what we know/knew of the US (obama) or someone who will at least try to get it going in the right direction (romney). I don't have delusions about the two of them having pretty much the same views on all the important issues, but for sure Oblunder is a totalitarian, and a very vicious and narcissistic one and if he's unleased on the country for another 4 years, you can kiss the rest of your freedoms goodbye. And that means, bottom line, that if you vote for anyone but Romney - you're guaranteeing the reelection of the one guy will bring European style totalitarianism to the US.
The intelligentia that makes up most of the posters here would rather have the world devolve into something that Kevin Costner would make a movie about so that they could actually go around shooting people and trying to survive without many of the advances we have today. Yeah, it will be real great to have a 'revolution' where we rise up against the government and alot of people die. Super...
Unfortunately, he is NOT running. So go ahead, help re-elect Obama. Typical anti-victim RP cultist, just want to be able to say "See. It wasn't my fault.". Just don't want to assume any reponsiblity for anything. Fucking lib retread, nothing more.
I would vote for a ham sandwich before I vote for this rights stealing mega-narcissist, obama.
Paul Ryan is a douche
So... if I vote for Ralph Nader, does that mean I'm voting for Romney? This is so confusing.
No, that would mean you are a complete and total fucking idiot.
I wonder how many of the Romney-Ryan ticket votes will be FOR Romney-Ryan versus those that are just AGAINST Obama-Biden?
It would be very, very interesting if either Romney or Obama win the electoral college and both candidates don't even have 50% of the vote. A presidency without a mandate.
I have a thought for Ryan.... Instead of telling people not to vote for Ron Paul as it might re-elect Obama, MAYBE he should clean up his and his statist running mate's act and espouse some of the Ron Paul Ideal thereby making the ticket at least slightly more paletable than they are... JUST SAYIN.
Willard Mitt Barrack Hussein Romney-Obama. One name, one party.
As much as I disagree with some of Paul's views, pigs will fly before I ever vote for a crony capitalist like Romney/Ryan. My list goes like this:
1) Paul: Mostly because he's not an insane war monger like the rest of them. I strongly disagree with his free market stuff though as it requires all market participants to act rationally...which clearly isn't the case. So the whole "no regulations" stuff is simply lala-fantasyland nonsense.
2) Obama: I don't agree with all his policies and strongy disagree with a ton like indefinite detentions and those horrible drone strikes...but compared to no3 he's the lesser evil.
3) Romney/Ryan: "I don't care about 47% of Americans" and "why can't you roll down windows on airplanes?" says it all...we don't need another 4-8 years of Bush-like nonsense. At least elect someone with brains and not someone who will say whatever it takes to get elected. I am for government mandated healthcare...no, I'm against it...wait, I'm now for it again...waaaait a second, changing my opinion again. The same goes for a ton of different topics. Romney will say whatever it takes to get money, he's even more of a sock puppet of corporate America than Obama. I would rather vote for a rock than those crooks!
Also, FU Ryan! Can't say that enough, he's such a slimy crook...
Every Presidential election, principled voters who usually end up voting for Republicans are lectured on their unrealistic demands and childish dreams. We're told that perfection died on the cross 2012 years ago, so stop being so stiff and ideological, because the alternative is just so much worse. We're told to ignore voting records, scandals, lies and half-truths, and things these candidates have said in the past which completely oppose their election platform for President. Just vote Republican and we'll work on providing a better, more Conservative and principled candidate next election.
This time it's different. This time, Republicans will begin the slow and difficult process of cutting spending, reducing the size and scope of government, and respecting individual liberty and free markets. One problem is government spending always increases, along with the size and scope of government, and our individual liberty and free markets are continually diminished and abused.
The other problem is we're never offered a better candidate. We're always Charlie Brown with the football. We always hear excuses as to why the growth of government continued under Republicans and blame is somehow diverted and placed on the Democrats.
Well, I'm done being Charlie Brown. If Republicans want to start preaching about personal responsibility, well I have some for you; if you lose, it won't be my fault, nor the fault of any other liberty leaning voters who have had enough. It will be your fault for choosing a horrid candidate, an unprincipled man who will say anything to win an election. I didn't vote for him in the primary; you wanted him, not me. I will expect you, GOP, to take personal responsibility for your actions.
I've lived in New England for 25 years. I know a North East Progressive Republican when I see one. This has been the worst display of political theater I've ever been subjected to. Mitt Romney has never claimed to be anything more than a moderate, a Progressive Republican, a proud New England moderate RINO. Now that he wants to be President, his tune has changed, and the media on all sides, including talk radio, are selling it for their own political reasons. Suddenly, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are disciples of rugged individualism and free markets, sent down from the Heavens by Ayn Rand herself to save us from our immoral and depraved ways, to save us from Mr. Thompson, Wesley Mooch, and crew.
I'm sorry. I'm not buying it.
How could the current crop of craven candidates ever be conscientiously considered?
If you must vote - vote Ron Paul.
By the way, another key reason why I would never vote for Romney/Ryan is that they accuse Obama for things they themselves voted for in the first place. That's a ridiculous tactic and robs them of all credibility in my opinion.
So why not vote for that Gary Johnson fella if you cant stand Mittens or Obomba?
Wasted vote for Ron Paul probably in the sense he is not a candidate. If everyone voted based on facts versus MSM bullshit Gary Johnson would win. Just look at the statements and actions of the candidates. How could anyone but Madonna vote for the idiot Obama the warmonger? Romney is not bringing troops home that is clear and obvious.
Kabuki!!!!!
After the convention, I changed my party affiliation from Repulican to Unaffilliated in protest over the republicans fixing the primary. I recommend all other republicans to do the same.
Wholly fuck check out this scumbaggery:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M84l19H68mk&feature=player_embedded
look at this guy's background, world bank and imf. http://www.nndb.com/people/558/000174036/
@therearetoomany
Actions have consequences. The RNC and GOP knew exactly what game they were playing with Ron Paul during the primary. Even now they remain defiant whereas naming RP sec Tres or VP (what a joke Paul Ryan was...) , having high level appointments of Fed Chair / AG names familiar to the Liberty movement would probably bring on people to support them and seal the deal. The problem is , Romney does not pursue this course of action , which is OBVIOUS if you want to win, thus he does not want to win or is disingenuous and will betray once in office.
This is a starting point for what would be required for the Republican Party to regain the support it lost when it replaced locally elected delegates with RNC selected delegates, changed rules at the convention, and otherwise operated as a party version of a banana republic dictatorship. Until then, don't expect the constitutional libertarian crowd to follow party leadership along looking for crumbs like the religious right has. The assaults on these Republicans, in this case, will not be rewarded with the assent of those assaulted. The RNC will pay for mistaking constitutional libertarians as another group of enablers.
A resolution introduced in the Clark County NV Republican party reads in part: "THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, We call for the immediate resignation of Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, we reject the validity of all of the revisions to the party rules passed at the Tampa convention and consider the 2008 rules to remain in effect; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, We assert the primacy of the state parties in determining policy for conducting party elections, nomination of candidates and apportionment of delegates within their states without the interference of the national committee or any campaign or outside entities; and...more at http://libertarianreview.us/2012/09/21/clark-county-gop-committee-meetin...
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Wow 660 Comments and counting – there is something interesting going on here, don’t you think? Seems to be a theme that your vote doesn’t count. However, the fact is TPTB are scared to dead of the wealth, power, and influence of the middle class. FYI - the middle class isn’t buying Obama’s bullshit and TPTB know it…… the polls showing Obama in the lead are a joke. We are all aware that TPTB have spent billions if not trillions of dollars on controlling the media and what YOU - the middle class sees, hears, and thinks about. So the media and pollsters have has been bought and paid for…….We know TPTB can influence the voting when it is close as they did with Al Franken – but they can’t cover-up or contain a Romney landslide victory. During the Carter / Regan election – Carter led in all the polls by many points – right up to election day. However, the middle class voted in mass and Regan won in a landslide victory – Regan wasn’t a PTB insider and he ended being shot – just to keep him in line. It appears the only way to defeat Obama is if Romney wins in a landslide victory. TPTB desperately need to win this election to continue with their destruction of the American middle class. If they can keep it close then they can control the outcome. This a pivotal point in time and history - TPTB are bring all they have – which includes paying poster to flood opinion web site like this one – in their lame effort to influence your vote and to convince you and others that your vote doesn’t matter……..use your common sense ----- think about what your vote means.
Okay, who are these posters who are promoting the “don’t bother to vote” idea? And who is encouraging others to waste their vote .... interesting most of these posters (or wanna be trolls) haven’t been around ZH too long…..for your viewing pleasure ………a list of those wishing to influence your thoughts , actions, and voting…….thanks guys and gals.....keep up the good work.......
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Don't bother to vote? No, do vote, just don't vote Obama or Romney. Registration time is relevant? Interesting how much time you waste with nonsense like this.
And so Romney is not a PTB insider ?? You make me laugh. No the GOP had its chance with Ron Paul- the only one Reagan supported btw (but you probably dont care) . They Blew it. Even now they refuse to try to fix the damage . They will lose like the pitiful idiots they are when indeed a reagan character would have delivred a landslide.
If Paul Ryan doesn't want Obama re-elected, He'll kill Romney and then himself. Hurry up Paul, there isn't much time. Prove your patriotism. The future of the world really is at stake and you can make a difference. Its a win-win, you'll be in Heaven, Mitt will be on KOLOB and we won't hate you anymore.