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Guest Post: "The Fed's Sole Purpose: Keeping The Banks Afloat" - G. Edward Griffin
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“The Fed’s sole purpose: keeping the banks afloat” – G. Edward Griffin
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Ghordius - - thank you for your comments. I know about the Prussian education model in terms of its influence on American education, but not how it may have later impacted European education. - - - No, when I use the term 'dumbing down' it isnt out of American persecution fears. Mr Gatto and others cite the specific documents that illustrate that there were those who sought to degrade American education for the purpose of protecting and maintaining the power of certain elite families in America going back to at least the late 1890s & early 1900s - - Rockefeller, Carnegie, etc. They sought to protect their position and mixed this desire with all sorts of justifications based on eugenics and so called 'race science'. - - - As I understand it, earlier America was quite different than Europe at the time. Americans were self taught for the most part, and very independent of mind. (Most of our prominent founders of the country including Jefferson, Washington, etc - - were very accomplished and self taught.) Education was not allowed or available to those not in the ruling classes or the government bureaucracy in Europe. So, the literarcy rates weren't as high there.
As a matter of fact, in the early years when public 'schools' were first being made mandatory - there were actual riots in some cities in America by mothers who saw that their childrens education was being attacked ! Those working class mothers knew exactly what was going on and wanted no part of it. (I find this fascinating.)
I think that anyone can learn and that we all have far greater potential than we may imagine. There is a great deal of evidence that this fact was/is known by the ruling elites and that the vast majority of humanity has been shackled intellectually and in their spirits. In my opinion, this has been a tremendous loss of human potential, a kind of mental/emotional serfdom for most people on our planet. Regards & thank you again for your thought provoking comments, - - -
the Prussian education model has to bee seen in the context of post-napoleonic european countries that saw themselves in a transition from agrarian to industrial states, and that the winners would be those who provide all the ingredients to it, including the "right education". see the Reforms of 1807 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_reforms
Frederik II, then king of Prussia, was quite wary of all this and asked repeatedly his ministers for an authoritarian element to be inserted in the humanistic curriculum. He did not mind the smart subject, he feared the unloyal one. remember that at that time lots of european rulers were patting themselves on their shoulders for abolishing slavery and serfdom.
1848 we europeans had our liberal, bourgeouis, capitalistic national-popular uprisings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1848 - probably the most important cultural revolution we ever had
at that time King Frederik William IV was railing that his prussian school system was not producing educated, loyal subjects but educated, free-thinking and unloyal citizens. and blamed it for the uprisings. too much free-thinking!
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meanwhile (pardon me, this part is boring for you but I wanted to be complete here), an American called Horace Mann, the first director of the first board of education (1837 in Mass.) traveled 1843 to Prussia and came back with his 6 "takeaways" that shaped what in the US is called the (Prussian) School Model:
1. the public should no longer remain ignorant
2. that such education should be paid for, controlled and sustained by an interested public
3. that this education will be best provided in schools that embrace children from a variety of backgrounds
4. that this education must be non-sectarian
5. that this education must be taught by the spirit, methods and discipline of a free society
6. that education should be provided by well-trained, professional teachers
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Now of course your arguments are attacking the nr. 1 assumption. but of course there are also recurring arguments in the US against all the other five points. I presume nr.3 and nr.4 are sometimes the really "hot" ones. Note that in europe, nr.4 was mainly against the Catholic Church's influence and part of a broader cultural war between the various brands of Christendom.
Thanks for the hints about Rockefeller and Carnegie and their eugenics.
Ghordius - - thank you for a very interesting post. Yes, I had read that the Prussian education system came about as a response to their defeat at the hands of Napolean (Jena in 1806) and the belief that the Prussian troops were too 'independent thinking' and 'undisciplined'. (One wonders how many would go off and die in wars if people understood how useless and wasteful most of them are.) I am aware of the role of Horace Mann on American public education, but his 6 'selling points' that you have listed were pure propaganda, of course. - - Mann himself wasn't particularly knowledgeable on education or interested in the subject. He was an opportunist paid to help carry out an agenda in America pushed by moneyed interests.
This is a huge and important topic. I'll just provide a couple of links (I just did a quick websearch to find something that wasn't too long to read) that you may find interesting. There is a great deal of evidence that 'education' , at least as known in the U.S. for over 100 years, isn't about education, but about maintaining control by the ruling 'elites':
http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/chapter5-6.php
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/gatto6.1.1.html
I cannot help but mention a topic that is very closely related to that of education. - - That is the subject of propaganda. The American Edward Bernays, (nephew to Sigmund Freud) was a pioneer in the use of propaganda, or what he called 'public relations' (to make it less dangerous sounding to the public). He convinced women to smoke cigarettes & people to eat bacon for breakfast. More importantly, Bernays was a major force in convincing the American people to enter World War 1 - a war in which the nation had no interest, in a country which had a large population with some German ancestry. Bernays wrote that under 'democracy' the ruling class could use the tools of propaganda to manipulate the citizenry to do whatever the true men of influence, - the hidden rulers and financers of political campaigns, wanted them to do. I mentiond this because after people no longer had the tools of classical education, which were thrown out of the mandatory public schools - - the people had little intellectual defense against such propaganda. Emotional appeals are used to manipulate people to 'vote' as they have been guided to vote.
Thankfully, all of this is becoming more well known to more people throughout the world.
Regards, - - -
I didn't believe in the spraying of materials from planes (except for the bug spraying in TX recently) until I started reading accounts of children who came in from outside to clean off "stuff" that fell from a plane that flew over. After a few of those stories and I started to think that maybe something out of line was going on. I wasn't there, I didn't see it for myself but I am open to hearing about such things before making any snap judgments about people's sanity, etc. Besides, our government has done testing on people in history.
It's not a matter of belief!
Crop-dusters are real, have been for almost a century, my dad's best friend used to fly one. Govt agencies have been sewing clouds with silver iodide and experimenting with other substances to increase rainfall for decades, it is quite real;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding
This practice was considered a very good idea when I was young, as we had droughts and it was done extensively, with somewhat inconclusive results. Those were actual chemical trails being sprayed, back then, by dedicated modified aircraft. And we all knew about it, everyone did! We didn't have to believe in it, there was no secret about it.
But what is being claimed by the people above, is something more sinister, an alleged secrete, for which they have zero hard spectroscopic evidence that such trails they see are chemtrails, and not just vapor trails. Sheep jump at what isn't there too. Doesn't mean there's something real there to jump over though.
>>>>spectroscopic evidence
Shall we all go buy an F16 & spectrometer to capture said evidence? I for one dismissed this chemtrail issue until I saw it yesterday with my lyin eyes. I don't know. I want to. It's going on in the Ozarks today. So, answer me this. If it was cloud seeding, why wouldn't they have done this during the worst drought in 50 yrs.? I've had two ex-military people present both sides of this argument. Tell me, for what purpose would jets fly in a crosshatch pattern for 5 hrs.? Maneuvers?
Yes, the elite breath the same air, but I'd be willing to wager that they don't eat the same food. Now, if one wants to go with the NWO CT, why would the elite spare any local & state govt officials? They simply won't be needed along with the rest of the useless eaters.
Control the oil, control the country. Control the food & you control the people. Henry Kissinger
Just sayin.
Use your own brain, I'm not here to answer your questions, I'm just asking you for physical spectroscopic evidence of the chemical species present an their quantities, from a series of detailed recorded systematic observations of alleged chem-trails.
If you really give a fuck about the topic, or the truth of the matter, then you'd be up for that, otherwise its just shallow-end of the intellect-pool stuff.
Because if you had that evidence (pro or con), then I could have a discussion with you, that had some fucking point and logic and substance to it, so that anyone looking at it could go, "ah, now that's clear and irrefutable evidence (pro or con)". And if you did perform such observations, and found nothing supporting that assertion/theory, then I wouldn't have to read any more dumb pointless comments about it, and you wouldn't have to be deluded about what isn't.
No tedious speculative horseshit and belief required.
WIN-WIN
Fair enough?
have you looked at the skies recently? there is nothing wacky about it... one day this week, no "contrails"... a day later, so thick they block the sky.... same weather, same temperature... plenty of evidence that geo-engineering has been going on for decades... but why? not for your benefit, rest assured.
Looking at the sky (or even noting ground conditions) is hardly adequate to determine whether or not a plane leaves a vapor trail. If you believe otherwise, I'd say you've got bigger issues.
"Where other people see clouds, we see POTENTIAL"-
http://www.weathermodification.com/
Morgellons. Damnest thing....
Sorry, don't buy that one.
Go back to your compliance.
Also, it's damnedest.
Portishead- "Cowboys"
Did you sweep us far from your feet?
Reset in stone this stark belief
Salted eyes and a sordid dye
Too many years
But don't despair
This day will be the damnedest day
Oh, if you take these things from me
Did you feed us tales of deceit?
Conceal the tongues who need to speak
Subtle lies and a soiled coin, the truth is sold
The deal is done
But don't despair
This day will be the damnedest day
Oh, if you take these things from me
Undefined, no signs of regret
Your swollen pride assumes respect
Talons fly as a last disguise
But no return, the time has come
So don't despair
This day will be the damnedest day
Oh, if you take these things from me
Oh, if you take these things from me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CBG65F78tM
plenty of research available out there... including lab tests of the crap being dumped. but if your own two eyes are not enough to make you intellectually curious to go do the homework, well... good luck.
Meteorologically, he's correct. Your observation of surface condtions bears no intrinsic realation to upper atmospheric conditions to support or not the conditions for precipitation of water vapor.
how about a jet stopping and starting its spraying in the air?
http://youtu.be/kh7qA2tqQ5c
at somepoint, common sense really does work. something really interesting, is how chemtrails have been added to cartoons, even edited into movies... just to make sure everyone thinks that they are 'normal'... now why would they go through that trouble....
http://youtu.be/HrlwFo-_P1c
Adding contrails to a modern advertisement that uses some old stock footage of a movie is evidence of a massive conspiracy?
The problem with arguments is that not every one bolsters your position. Even if true, many arguments are left on the cutting room floor so to speak, to ensure that credibility is maintained. In short, pick your battles.
Several dormant shills outed themselves on this subject, chemtrails:
RedPill
NotApplicable
MachoMan
I haven't researched this topic at all, so maybe I should keep my mouth shut... but... here goes:
I don't have any problem believing our beloved leaders would do shit that would harm us, 'their' people. They do it all the time. And I don't discount the possibility they could manage to keep it all a secret, either... though the more extensive the program is, the harder that would be.
But if they ARE spraying us with deleterious crap... why? Particularly as they're all having to breathe it in too? And if your answer is, that they're all lizards, and it doesn't affect them, I'm outta here :-)
(though I admit the more I see Hilary Clinton, the less certain I am that 'lizards' is just a metaphor)
Addendum to previous:
BigJim
I am an interested observer (never even heard of this topic) but if not being immediately sold that this is absolutely happening and yet open to the possibility that it is, lands me in your list... then feel free to add me to it.
Add me too-not convinced about those contrails
Ridicule certainly makes you suspect. Also bringing out the big guns like Mnewn and your esteemed posting self:
ooh I hate bernanke, I like gold, blah. Good Stuff.
...uhh OK Jackass. Unconvinced because I have seen no testable evidence. Let's see something besides airplanes leaving vapor trails amongst flabbergasted onlookers.
the fallout is often tested. aluminum, barium and otber toxic metals. look it up.
I'm sure I'll regret even bothering, but a question for all you possible skeptics - how many attempts at explanation & proof did it get for you to understand "the Fed" meme?
or "nine-eleven"? or anything else others consider prime tin-foil?
I've been researching "chemtrails" for over 5 years, there are mountains of research, some not so great, some very credible - like anything, one must begin with an open, questioning mind in order to find some answers. if you don't care, then whatever. still goes on, just like folks who "don't care" about the Fed manipulating the "economy" or the dual-passport folks who inhabit the congress in the "District of Columbia" that isn't even within the "States" etc. etc.
you either have a foot in their reality, or you're completely out of their loop.
do some research. aerosoling happens in all NATO countries, by the way. and none over Iran. start there.
double
@ Cathartes Aura :
Are you a scientist? Are you a chemist? If you are there is no need for speculation. Mixing up vapor trails with a theory of "chem-trails" is dead simple to physically test and lay to rest. But the people asserting they are real and claiming to havw some grip on a scientific education, never do. You absolutely don't need to research something for 5 years when five minutes would do.
See this recent zh discussion between me and i-dog (who is clearly a fraud BTW):
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-09-23/america-%E2%80%93-and-we...
Show me spectroscopic evidence or else its 100% bullshit. Period.
RULE #1 : Claims require evidence.
RULE #2 : THE ONUS is on the claimee to provide it.
RULE #3 : The more fantastic and enormous the claim, the proportionally greater the requirement for the claimer to provide compelling REAL evidence.
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Chemical spectroscopy observastions provides a clear test for the confirmation, or else a clear falsification of such claims for any alleged chem-trail.
Not one of the (more-or-less rather dodgy to very dodgy) claimers has ever provided any systematic spectroscopic data that these vapour tails are also the alleged 'chem-trails'. One might have expected that they would have, especially if any of these fucking pretenders really were chemists, or even scientists. Show me the spectroscopic evidence they're chem-trails or else it's all 100% bullshit.
Talking about it, and making hysterical claims about it, and talking pure shit about it, in web pages, in videos, in comments, does not change a damn thing about the lack of verification or testing of the claims. That sounds reasonable to you doesn't it?
Speculation and belief is absolutely not required in any of this stuff. Would you agree?
ele-mental, no, I am not a "scientist" nor a "chemist" - nor am I an "engineer" yet miraculously I understand that the lies put forward on "nine eleven" are part of a willful set of actions that most label conspiracy.
I'm also not a "nutritionist" but I realise what GMO soy & corn are doing to the health of amrkns, and others in the world who have governments that allow these toxins into their food chain. since we've ascertained I'm not a scientist, I obviously cannot prove that GMO seeds are toxic, but I choose to acknowledge the work of those who do wear the "scientist" badge.
I'm also not an "economist" nor a "hedge fund" nor a trader, but I understand the manipulation of the markets to create a false economic "reality" - I'm also not an employee of JPM, but I understand their abuse of the paper silver market. ETC.
you may want to consider just how important fitting in here at the ZH club is to you. soon.
"Fitting in?" I'm supposed to be concerned about the social aspects of "fitting in", at zh, rather than saying what is true, and what is known and what is intellectually and physically valid and insisting on what is testable and verifiable?
Populism trumps evidence with you huh?
Sorry, but my estimation of you just fell to nothing. For your information, my opening an account at zh had ZERO to do with trying to become popular at some blog. If you think I give a DAMN what you think of me, or anyone else, on that basis, then you are very much mistaken.
I find your suggestion, to 'go-along', and to seek popularity and "fit-in", completely disgusting and degenerate! Beyond words really! Consider yourself spat-upon you spinless hypocritical two-faced piece-of-shit.
And you have again changed the subject away from actual EVIDENCE for your claims and beliefs.
this is a test. how thin
can the thread be co me ?
i'm s h r i n k i n g !
I think we can still fit a few avatars in there.
Tuskeegee airmen. Only the best of intentions.
Downwinders.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downwinders
you are a legend in your own mind. smug and condescending just does not aid your other points which i can certainly admit are plausable. there are not many sheep on here. don't expect us all to blindly follow along.
Maybe I'm full of shit.
There are youtube clips that look like crop dusting aren't there? A latticework of criss-crossing clouds.
Barium salts and aluminum oxide. I think Monsanto has come up with a GMO terminator seed that doesn't mind a soil with a high level of aluminum. ;)
here.
MONSANTO PATENTS AND CHEMTRAILS
http://farmwars.info/?p=7760
plenty more places to search, but this can get one started, should the desire arise.
You can add me to the list. And yes, we are all members of Mossad.
if iam not on here tomorrow it's because i got hit by a car wandering around like an asshole looking up at planes all day....
Dude, cars don't hit people by accident. If you don't think Dick Cheney would be willing to run you down on sight then you're either a sheep or a shill.
i went to the steelers game last week and had awful gas on the flight. i prob cropdusted half of pennsylvania. at least 3 people on here claiming they saw something were looking up at my ass.
now that was funny!
You'll notice they are omnipresent on television "programming" these days as well.
I have not paid attention to the chemtrails controversy, but if a dopant were somehow dissolved in condensate moisture (the individual droplets of cloud mist), it should be possible to measure an identifiable spectral difference between doped and not doped clouds. Bearing in mind that if a chemical doping is to be identified by analysis in the environment, then the most concentrated medium for its identification would be the coincident, jet trail cloud, prior to any additional dispersion. Does defensible spectral data of such happen to exist? If the dopant is not spectrally identifiable in clouds, then what is the implied relationship between remnant jet-trail clouds and the presence of an arbitrary second substance?
This. The issue is simple... there are some instances where conspiracy theories are unfalsifiable (JFK assassination - who really did it?)... there are some instances where conspiracy theories only exist but for the apathy of the theorist to test his hypothesis... *points towards latter*
The other problem, practically speaking, is that if these conspirators have the stranglehold on all things media, information, etc., necessary to keep this conspiracy in the dark so to speak, then there is not much point in even bothering to discuss the issues. There are vastly more important things to worry about. It can literally serve no purpose other than fulfilling the speaker's need to be anxious and worried... which probably, by this point, gives a physiological reward (possibly adrenaline).
are people really that ignorant on how to use the search engines of the internet?
here.
https://startpage.com/do/search
I typed in: UK admits to spraying population
there are numerous government documents posted online to view, and BBC docs. to watch, and news stories, etc.
does anyone know of any links between the UK and US? like, deep conspiracy kinda links?? *deep breath*
biowarfare. look it up. it's not just for the sand-peoples.
yes, but the UK government admitted "doing it" between 1940 and 1979, didn't it? for germ warfare research and similar things.
the beauty of cold war /s
this US chemtrail thing seems centered on an even more nefarious scope, though I still have not understood the reason why "they" would do it
*gah*
this is a NATO country "thing" - not solely a "US" thing - search engines are your friend.
as to the "why" - seriously, you're asking that?? with the crap in the food supply, the manipulation of weather to affect the growing, and the gambling on markets to profit from same, and the fact that "health" care is being absorbed into the .gov blob making pharma a household normality, and some corporations hella wealthy? while humans deteriorate in front of your eyes?
no, really, either one desires to find answers to all the dangling questions, or they wait until the effects are more apparent, and hence, undeniable.
here's a video of an Easy Jet flight in case you want to begin some research:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saXMRYt-a1g
yes, still asking for the motive. if someone sells shitty, oversugared food it's for profit, for example. Cui Bono?
Who are the fucks voting this down? Idiots...
RiotActing,
Making wild claims and talking complete horseshit without ever providing any testable or verified REAL EVIDENCE, does not make anything true and it never will.
You dopey half-wit arsehole.
You are an idiot... Water vapor... right...
RiotActing,
Making wild claims and talking complete horseshit without ever providing any testable or verified REAL EVIDENCE, does not make anything true and it never will.
You dopey half-wit arsehole.
your new signature line, very clever, very telling.
You don't have any evidence for your beliefs, you are just a believer in 'stuff'--you don't need no stinking evidence for any of it. Your self-satisfied opinion is apparently more than enoug,h thanks. Plus you actually appeal to populism, and to "fitting-in" at zh.
Fine, I'm glad you've cleared that up for everyone.
I don't have any "evidence" that you even exist, element.
yet I kinda believe you do, and others like you exist too, beyond the pixels on my screen.
whe/if you're ready to know something, it will make itself apparent to you. it's waiting.
What a coincidence, I'm waiting to.
Ad hom. So becoming. Attacking others who've witnessed this going on. He wouldn't/couldn't address the purpose of the con/chemtrails in a crosshatch pattern.
>>>>>>>2877282 Is it culture? Or just plain stupidity combined with an inability to think in terms of what is, and what is not, and the remedial steps and needs of how to go about determining which is which, and also being unable and unprepared to say "I don't know", if the way to inquiry is blocked, and such is the true case?Is it culture? Or just plain stupidity combined with an inability to think in terms of what is, and what is not, and the remedial steps and needs of how to go about determining which is which, and also being unable and unprepared to say "I don't know", if the way to inquiry is blocked, and such is the true case?
>>>>>2877938 Shall we all go buy an F16 & spectrometer to capture said evidence? I for one dismissed this chemtrail issue until I saw it yesterday with my lyin eyes. I don't know.
>>>> 2878520
Disprove it. Come on man use your brain instead of hurling insults. You may not be here to answer questions, but if it's so intellectually repulsive to you, why the FUCK did you bother to respond? Never argue with a fool. You can't tell which one is which.
That's called shifting the burden of proof.
The onus is not on me, and it'll never be on me.
Your baseless mere belief that chem-trails are actual chemical trails, sans any hard CHEMICAL signature evidence, that they are such, is your mental dilemma, not mine.
I must say, for a dude who convinced himself, just yesterday, that contrails from commercial jets flying east-west, and north-south, are 'evidence' that chem-trails are 'real', well, you do seem very VERY ardent about this whole thing being the case (are you sure you haven't been a believer for quite some time, as you seem quite zealous about it all?). Odd, given the complete lack of any actual chemical evidence, plus the easy and satisfying explanation of thousands of commercial airliners cris-crossing the sky every day within the USA.
Occam's Razor would very strongly suggest that I'm far more likely to be right than you.
But go on, try to do your own thinking and fact-checking. Do you think you'll ever be able to do that, or do you plan to just keep believing in what you don't know? A chemistry education would be advantageous, if not a pre-requisite, just saying.
BTW: You don't need an F-16, but if you knew what a spectrometer was, and did, you'd already know that it could be done with a telescope and attached sensor looking up from the ground, so keep your stawmen thanks, they're senseless blather at best.
I've been watching it for a year over my house, who the fuck are you to say such a thing? Fuck you. Wake the fuck up... you believe the FED is a conspiracy but controlling the food supply and weather is too big of a stretch for you? What is it with ZeroHedge readers these days? Total fucking idiots... Can we go back to an arithmetic gate please?
megaphony trolls. chemtrails are well defended. they dont care if many know about the fed. but the chemtrails, the truth behind that subject must be hidden.
indeed, because once you realise the depth of this control, and the lengths they can go to, game over.
red pills still to be swallowed, apparently - even if it's on the tip of their tongues. . .
people who think all the "conspiracy" is financial, and ends with the Fed, aren't looking for truths, just ways to invest.
RiotActing,
Making wild claims and talking complete horseshit without ever providing any testable or verified REAL EVIDENCE, does not make anything true and it never will.
You dopey half-wit arsehole.
John, you do know temperature, humidity, pressure, wind direction, and wind speed, and layer mixing and convection varies continuously, with altitude, every second of every day and night? And that this is not indicated by the wind and temperature and cloud cover experienced at ground level?
It's why they launch weather balloons several times per day because there is no other way to find out about what the atmosphere is doing at that level.
I don't believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden.
Show me one.
http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000005416/images/pate...
>>>>>wonky chemtrail
that wonky shit happened here today. Witnessed it for 5 hrs.
another easy give away... on days when you can watch them spray... there are also planes leaving no trails at all... they must be burning pixie dust instead of fuel.... back to sleep sheeple.
No John, if that is happening then it's very likely they're flying at different flight levels, and may be separated vertically by as much as 15 thousand feet.
The atmosphere is horizontally-stratified most days, meaning successive layers above and below exhibit different wind speeds, wind directions, pressures, humidity levels and temperatures.
But if you simply want to believe something sinister is happening rather than something entirely prosaic and comprehensible, then confirmation bias suggests you most probably will.
If you want to be honest with yourself though, you might have a fighting chance of seeing through the chem-trail caravan of bullshitters.
BTW, you must have very good eyes because most people looking up from the ground would stuggle to spot a Jet without a contrail between 30,000 to 45,000 feet up.
AH! finally! A guy with a spectroscope and real data!
Well, go on! Post the datalog of your observations!
I want to examine the chemical species and percentages present!
You do have that right?
Because if you didn't ... well, you'd be talking complete shit too.
I also say that you should wake the fuck up, redpill! Chemtrails are real. There are many good videos about WHAT they are spraying, and below here is a link to one about WHY they are spraying, which is quite relevant to many of the concerns routinely raised in Zero Hedge articles. This video emphasizes various ways how people, who had the technology to control the weather, could make a killing in the markets, by speculating on the consequences of doing that! One has to be ignorant to not know that those technologies already exist, and thereafter, very naive to not think that there are people, probably operating under the cover of our generally psychotic "national security" system, who would not think of ways to make money from secretly using those techniques. Deceitful human beings fooling around with methods to change the weather, and to change the climate, goes Off the Scale of the FALSE FLAG theme. After you understand that the international banksters are the biggest gangsters, trillionaire mass murders, who are easily able to rationalize in their own minds maintaining systems of debt slavery, backed up by wars based on deceits, HOW could not you make the obvious conclusion that, since weather control technologies exist, those are SURELY being misused and abused on a large scale!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=mEfJO0-cTis#!
"Why in the World are They Spraying?" Full Length Documentary HD
The scientific questions about human driven climate changes, and much more so, the questions about what to do about that, ARE INSIDE A CONTEXT OF SOCIAL CONTROL BY LIES! The Banksters are the FRAUD KINGS, and the Chairman of the Fed is the therefore the supreme symbolic figurehead FRAUD KING! Even IF it were possible to do "better" scientific research, the real world is controlled by runaway deceit & violence. The Chemtrail Facts demonstrate the magnitude of that ... All of the so-called "science," and more so the "solutions" take place inside of contexts of runaway insane militarism, backing up a monetary system, based on privatized fiat money. Our weapons do NOT defend freedom and democracy, those weapons actually defend the banksters' frauds! Inside that context arises EVERY other issue, including chemtrails!
MILITARISM IS BASED ON SUCCESSFUL DECEITS!
& GLOBAL CIVILIZATION IS CONTROLLED BY THEM!
There are no good reasons to believe that what was being done through chemtrails was rational. These events interfere with complex systems more and more, to drive them towards some crazy changes that were NOT predictable! The people behind these systemic deceits can not possibly know what they are doing! In the typically tragic ways that civilizations are being controlled by whomever were best at lying, IT IS LOOKING LIKE HUMAN DRIVEN CLIMATE CHANGES WERE ANOTHER FALSE FLAG ATTACK, WHERE CAUSES FOR THAT, WHICH THE MASS MEDIA WERE TELLING US, ARE NOT THE MOST PROBABLY REAL CAUSE OF THAT. Human driven changes of the Earth's climate were surely another infinite tunnel of deceits!
As this video states at about the 24 minute mark:
Weather and warfare are closely connected.
As technology became astronomically amplified, that necessarily meant that weather, and climate got more and more tangled up in human deceits. That means that all those levels of lies regarding "blaming human beings for changing the climate" are more & more becoming infinite tunnels of deceits, where the lies are different at every level!
It is BECAUSE Griffen is an expert on the evils of the entrenched banking cartel controlling America for a Century that he was able to recognize how and why chemtrails are REAL, and important enough issue to devote his time and talents to ...
It is elementary understanding of the compartmentalization of the established social pyramid systems that all of these integrated evils converge at the top, in the small group of pyramidion people. They are there because of the historical evoluion of them being the best at dishonesty and backing that up with violence, and thereby, developing the social habits needed to use their powers, and the psychological attitudes not to feel enough compassion or empathy to care about who they hurt when they do so! Similar systems that enabled banksters to take control of the money supply would enable those who had the secret power to influence the weather to use that carelessly, for their own short-term financial advantage. Everything that worked to make and maintain the banksters' power would also apply in the context of chemtrails too!
hahahha, heya RadMariJ, fancy meeting you here!
Weather and warfare are closely connected.
and since some of "us" here at ZH believe the government has declared war on the people, is it so far-fetched to make the connection? let me help - mega-monied Bill Gates, with a huge pile of pixel fiat from his mega-monied pal Warren Buffett uses his Foundation Fiat to help promote various "ideas" - like "sweat activated vaccines""
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-05/newest-gates-foundation...
is it so very hard to make the leap of what else they could use those sprayed nano-particles for? like maybe something fun that Dr. Fouchier cooked up in his lab?
Alarm as Dutch lab creates highly contagious killer fluFear of terrorism as university prepares to publish key details
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/alarm-as-dutch-lab-creates-hig...
that story was from late 2011. . . two Middle East men have been found to be infected with the same strain in the past month. . .
Shalom, u assHole.
your tel aviv plane is ready sir...one way ticket...
Bad news thought, you're really overweight on all your bags, couldn't weigh more if you had gold bullion in there.....Didn't recognise you with out the beard, and that toupee........
One need not be a chamber to be haunted,
One need not be a house;
The brain has corridors surpassing Material place.
Far safer, of a midnight meeting External ghost,
Than an interior confronting the infernal FED host.
Far safer through an Eccles stone building,
The ashlars achase,
Than, moonless, one's own self encounter
Pennyless, in a lonesome place.
Ourself, behind ourself concealed,
The mirror startles most;
Assassin, hid in our money,
Now be horror's host.
The prudent carries a pistol,
He tries and bolts the door,
O'erlooking a banking spectre
More near, but greater horror.
I fucking love this Griffin guy, where's he been all my life..?
As to his point that congress is in bed with the Bernack, how many tough questions does he ever get from one of those entitled pricks when he sits down with them in a bullshit congressional hearing...?
Zero, None. Nada. El Zippo. Fuck Bernack and his Maestro mentor..
And its gone.....
Spot on. I read the same thing in the Wall Street Journal over 20 years ago. The FED tries to portray itself as working hand in hand with the Treasury for the public good. However, FED policy is aimed at promoting the stability and profitability of the banking system. Hence, they act in the interest of the big banks who are its members, which may or not be in the public interest.
These Casey summit speeches are great to listen to, though I wish they'd lower the price for the complete audio.
One of Doug's selling points has always been exclusivity. As long as he earns what he desires from the practice, I'd say you're out of luck.
Though honestly, there's likely not a word said that you couldn't find elsewhere, as it's not like these speakers are invited on the premise of coming up with new material. Casey merely packages them all together (which is really all a promoter of ideas can do).
That bullshit. I saw Doug Casey for years and years for free at the Cambridge House Conferences.
That goes for many of those other speakers as well. You sound like sour grapes.
I agree with the exclusivity. Their Casey club is closed too atm. It's not that I think he is asking too much in general either, just for me personally the audio sets are a bit expensive for what I would get out of it.
Make the banks own up to their commitments. Take your money out!
fuck you Greenspan........
The Federal Reserve "BANK"...nuff said
Classic! "What did you expect? DUHHHH!"
I sincerely hope the Romney/Obama supporters take note of this message and quit talking out of their ass on the FED and Wall St Banksters.
Not gonna happen Bay of Pigs,rigid Blue/Red team mentality.CNN vs Fox shit puke and decomposed smells.
SUPER HOT: Klein Speaks Truth Before Congress About the Federal Reserve
Dr. Peter G. Klein, Associate Professor, Applied Social Sciences and Director, McQuinn Center for Entrepreneurial Leadership, University of Missouri is letting the Fed have it during his testimony before Ron Paul's hearing entitled “Improving the Federal Reserve System: Examining Legislation to Reform the Fed and Other Alternatives”.
From Klein's prepared remarks:
... The problem is not that the Fed has made some mistakes—perhaps addressed by restating its statutory mandate, scrutinizing its behavior more carefully, and so on—but that the very institution of a central monetary authority is inherently destabilizing and harmful to entrepreneurship and economic growth.... Ironically, though economics clearly teaches the impossibility of efficient resource allocation under centralized economic planning, as demonstrated (theoretically) in the 1920s and 1930s by economists such as Ludwig von Mises and F. A. Hayek, and (empirically) by the universally recognized failure of centrally planned economies throughout the twentieth century, many people think that the monetary system is an exception to the general principle that that free markets are superior to central planning. When it comes to money and banking, in other words, it is essential to have a single decision-making body, protected from competition, without effective oversight, possessing full authority to take almost any action it deems in the best interest of the nation. The organization should be run by an elite corps of apolitical technocrats with only the public interest in mind. And yet, everything we know about organizations with that kind of authority, without oversight, or any external check or balance, tells us that they cannot possibly work well.... The Fed simply does not know the “optimal” supply of money or the “optimal” intervention in the banking system; no one does. ... see: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/05/super-hot-klein-speaks-truth-before.htmlProfessor Klein is awesome.
It's way simpler than that. When you see thousands of greedy fucks making stacks of money doing nothing and making nothing, but just hiding behind and abusing some government legislation, you should most likely step in and end it. Oops too late!
Keeping the FED afloat is as difficult as keeping Lance Armstrong afloat.
Same problem, same cause : irrrational exuberance and hubris gone wild.
USADA Evidence Against Lance Armstrong - Business Insider
Its out and its ugly.
It's funny and sad at the same time.
I wonder if iPhones will work in the New Dark Ages? Do you tweet when the barbarians are at the gate?
iPhones will be obligatory
How else would they keep track of you?
Bingo. Why bother with tracking drones in the sky when you can convince people to stand in line to buy their own personal tracker, and carry it around 24x7, because it's 'cool"?
Perhaps there will come a day when we fondly remember carrying iPhones when we are cattle prodded into lines to be implanted with RFID chips.
Miffed:-)
G. Edward Griffin is pure Genius. Yes, it is a Cartel. But, it is also a Global Criminal Cabal.
I love that man, and as an aside, Fuck You Bernanke.
Fuck You for doing a great job, serving your masters and fucking the American public (along with the entire world).
How could anyone give a down arrow to someone that says "Fuck you Bernanke" ? The world is just not making any sense today.
Come on, what way are you expecting Bernanke to vote?
Here: I have something for the person who voted the FU Bernanke comment down:
http://trololololololololololo.com/
Take that...and go haunt another site, will ya?
i voted you up for including the entire world. fuck the us dollar and fuck its reserve curreny status.
*double entry deleted*
Indeed he is, indeed. And he is keeping his standard through the ages. I love his discussions with Yuri Bezmenov on demoralization of a societyand Dimitry Khalezov on 911.
Both russian, strange...
@ Karl von Bahnhof,
Here's the interview G. Edward conducted with him in 1985. The chilling part is when he describes that the art of PsyOp has to cross generations for it to be effective. He also mentions that 90% of National Security/Intelligence is dedicated towards PsyOp not protecting the general public. Coincidentally, we're currently in the second decade of the biggest PsyOp conducted on a Global scale. The Inside Job of 911.
Yuri Bezmenov KGB defector
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32vs5ouU7sw
You say Cabal as if it was a dirty word? It works until it don't.
meanwhile...... n a galacy far far away......
"“Most people don’t pay much attention to ratings when it comes to Treasuries, as they are still considered to be risk- free assets,” Donald Ellenberger, who oversees about $10 billion as co-head of government and mortgage-backed securities at Federated Investors in Pittsburgh, said Oct. 5 in a telephone interview. “Until that perception changes Treasuries will continue to be” in demand, he said."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-09/u-s-downgrade-seen-as-upgrade-as-u-s-debt-dissolved.html
You know it's bad when the Chinese Central Bank thinks the Federal Reserve is a bunch blood sucking grifters.
but but cnbc told me it was about employment??!
What else could you expect after Congress hired a Vaudevillian magician act to handle the country's money?
Since MDB hasn't posted yet:
G Edward Griffin is a known libertarian conspiracy nut. His book has been derided by actual economists and central bankers for years. The man is over 80 he's clearly not running on all cylinders. Most importantly the Huffington Post proved just this past week that the Fed haters are liars.
*edit - I forgot to add that the Fed is mandated to provide price stability and full employment so how could they be bad?
Leaving aside your ad hominem attach on Griffin, you make the point that "the Fed is mandated to provide price stability and full employment". It has plainly achieved neither of those "mandates" but it has kept the banks afloat. It has not served the interests of the American people (price stability and full employment) but it has served the interests of the banks.
The very point you raised confirms what Griffin has said. While Griffin may be in his 80s, he is clearly a lot sharper than you.
Uh, it was meant as sarcasm, my friend. I thought it was very clever.
Temporalist is one of the good guys.
Nothing is sarc w/o the tag; esp. in a world of lies and conspiricies.
The most concise and simple description I have watched on video. And all true. Hope it goes viral.
(and thanks ZH)
Dead Man (Soundtrack) by Neil Young
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6aCMgy0ES4
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..as it is, infinite" .. from link
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Dead Man Reincarnation Clear Vision
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSsuXskRn1o&feature=related
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" you are a very strange man." from link
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speaking of karma, banks, railroads,
contrived destiny and unfettered lawlessness
(cancer) resulting in genocidal mortality.
(mirror) (mirror) on the wall .....
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Crazy Horse's Account of the Battle of the Little Bighorn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU9iyFim4sA
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" .. invoking the blessing of the great spirit
upon him .." from link
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10 October 2012
Inverted Totalitarianism
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2012/10/inverted-totalitarianis...
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.." I thought it would be interesting to find the seminal essay from 2003 in The Nation magainze in which Sheldon Wolin describes the emerging US empire as an 'inverted totalitarianism.' It is still not quite clear to me what the distinction is between this and an oligarchy, although the difference from fascism is apparent. " ... jca
I've got the LP sound track to that, It revitalizes me.
Clown act proles allllllllways ask; Dead Man Walking? When I mention the film. Like they've seen either one being unlikely.
What's portrayed/documented in that clip is that NY played/made the soundtrack realtime with the movie.
The fundamental assumption Griffin makes is incorrect: that industry is productive and is being weighed down by the dastardly bankers.
Instead, industry is dependent upon credit: no credit and there is no industry. There are no exceptions to this foundational fact.
This is why finance is supported at all cost. No credit, no industry, no borrowed fortunes for tycoons, either.
It's not the banks fault, it is industry's fault. Industry destroys capital, it turns it into garbage. The garbage-making process is collateral for loans which line the pockets of 'entrepreneurs', tycoons and 'innovators'. The rest of us have to repay these loans. Right now, fewer can repay because credit is too costly in real terms. Turning capital into garbage turns out not to be such a good strategy after all. The 'system' cannot afford both the cost of capital and the cost of credit when added together ...
Meanwhile, the 'entrepreneurs', tycoons and 'innovators' are twisting in the wind, without a flow of circulating money they cannot retire or even service their monstrous debts. When they die, so do the creditors. This is the process that is underway right now in the European Union and is expanding to other parts of the world. BTW: the central banks cannot create circulating money ... this is the part that everyone misses.
"It's not the banks fault, it is industry's fault."
Was it industry that approved loans for over-inflated prices on houses? Or was it the banks, that didn't have to hold the loan? Banks that collected tremendous commissions on these loans, and found a way to sell them off to some unsuspecting town in Norway, or some pension fund?
Your comment has many more fallacies I could address.
what you say, that is why he uses the word cartel.
circulating money... respect with a foundation that
implies or represents trust/truth. we'll get there
pop .....?
Wrong. That isnt his message, and you know it. It's legal tender laws and fractional reserve lending that are the problem (the FED's monopoly).
Come on Steve, you can do better than that.
Hate to break it to you, but I helped create a business from nothing to $20 million a year without credit.
Industry exists without credit. Monopolies can not exist without credit.
you didn't do that. obama did that. didn't he? i'm sure you had lots of fun - but obama must have helped you. ;)
Hats off to you!
I'll call BS on that: 'your' customers borrowed, 'your' firm borrowed from its banks of from the state (directly or indirectly) or from overseas by way of foreign exchange.
'My' business depended on mortgage money, I was borrowing against the accounts of my customers, (who were borrowing against their customers' accounts, who in turn were borrowing against theirs'). If you think industrial businesses can exist without credit look toward Greece, China, UK and this country and see how 'credit shortage' is working for them. If enterprises could function without credit desperate necessity would certainly have them doing so right now.
Instead, enterprises are folding up like cheap suits w/ more to come.
You dudes need to wake up and smell the coffee, yr man's easy answers are wrong: whether you like them or not is immaterial. 2012 is failure point of conventional economic ideology.
Well, throwing Ad Hom attacks isnt going to help you Steve.
Smell the coffee? Ive known you to be a gold basher from way back. Hows that shitty call working out for you?
How can you turn already worthless paper into garbage?
Forget the bankers, they finally got Lance Armstrong...that will fix all the nations problems.
Sitting Bull's Great Grandson Tells Oral History Film Clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnPnWg-B2QY&feature=related
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sitting bull re his people , ghost dance and permission from mclaughlin, one bull and grandma.
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" he told his people why should i listen to one man? you know, telling me
what to do in this country when it used to be free to
walk on. he says i'm going to have council with red cloud. he said .. he started packing his belongings
for fast travel..and that night before, said ..one bull got
on his horse, slipped away. and he rode that horse all the way up to fort yates, instead of going to do his little telegraphing , he rode the horse up to fort yates,
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..... she said he killed that horse .."
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"...this was the reason why my grandmother would never
look at his face again." sitting bull's great grandson.
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"..US Indian Service Agent James McLaughlin (1842–1923), son of Felix and Mary Prince, was born and raised in Avonmore, Ontario, Canada. He moved to St Paul, Minnesota in 1863 (age 21), where he met and married his wife Marie Louise Buisson, a Mdewakanton mixedblood, in 1864, and obtained his United States citizenship in 1865.
In 1871 he was hired as a blacksmith and general overseer at Fort Totten, North Dakota, but studied to become an Indian agent. He was appointed agent of the Devils Lake Agency in 1876. In 1881 he was promoted and transferred to the larger Standing Rock Sioux Agency. A photograph of him and the Standing Rock delegation, including Sitting Bull, along with US Commissioners and other Sioux chiefs, was taken in Washington DC on 15 October 1888 to discuss Sioux implementation of the Dawes Act which resulted in breaking up the reservation's lands into allotments in order to open the remaining land up for white settlement.
" .. wiki
This man seems very bright and appears very credible. I have heard him speak and have read some of his ideas.
The US government and the Federal Reserve do not give a rat's ass what Mr. Griffin says because the Kleptocrats fully understand just how stupid and sheep like most Americans really are. The Kleptocrats know that NO ONE pays attention to smart, credible people such as Mr. Griffin.
Our fucking idiot of a President goes on the View, Nick Jr., Letterman, etc.... because he and his scam artist handlers fully understand the intelligence level of the average American is equal to or lesser than an inner city public school educated fourth grader.
We are a nation of morons, intent on listening to the likes of negro rappers and horse shit actors, rather than listening to and reading from historians such as Mr. Griffin.
We're completely fucked!
Sadly, that is the simple truth. If America woke up, the whole scheme would collapse and a new productive economy with far fewer overpaid bankers and overpaid politicians would take its place.
"... a new productive economy with far fewer overpaid bankers and overpaid politicians would take its place."
Just because the public awoken to the current transgressions, doesn't mean that enlightenment would necessarily occur. They could just as well fall to a new and different scam/system in the next instant.
Dup, damn Touch screens.
Yes, "Creature..." is the seminal work on the Fed. If every American were to read it, and then take a lonnnng draught of the history since it started, Including the fact that Income Tax was passed the next year, (actually it was really created to make sure the Fed got it's interest payment).
As....
Henry Ford said " It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
with a hat tip to eustace and ezra pound.....
"..collecting interest on nothing, not too shabby." ..
geg..
"why didn't we think of that?" geg
It is really far simpler. The Fed was created to keep the "wealth without labor" system alive.
For centuries wealth was either inherited or taken by force. In the beginning the USA changed this system so that hard work could result in wealth. Birth did not guarantee wealth and the right to bear arms prevented others from taking your wealth at the point of a gun.
Once the industrial revolution created the concentrated level of personal wealth in America, that existed within the wealthy families of Europe, they searched for a way to secure this wealth. The banks and the industrialists conspired to return the average man to a level of serfdom.
Some would argue that the depression was brought about in order to concentrate the collective wealth of the country into far fewer hands. I think that assumption is correct. Just as this latest "crisis" was engineered to do the same.
The entire stock market system works to generate wealth without labor. For that reason it should be ended along with the central banks. Many of the richest among us wouldn't know the first thing about running a real business, nor could they perform even the lowest level job within their corporation. The proof is in the hundreds of corporations valued in billions that produce absolutley nothing, or can not produce a penny of profit even with billions in revenue.
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2012/10/inverted-totalitarianis...
10 October 2012
Inverted Totalitarianism
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...."..One learns by asking questions and making distinctions. Ignorance abhors questions and makes few distinctions, preferring dogma, bias and arrogant disdain to discernment and an informed perspective. This is what passes for knowledge and news today. That was certainly apparent in Jamie Dimon's address today to the Council on Foreign Relations on the nature of finance and the US economy. He is yesterday's man. But unfortunately there are quite a few of them hanging on to power, dragging the West down.
If the US is an inverted totalitarian regime, what are China and Russia? Certainly not the personal fascist dictatorships of the era of Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, albeit the latter two with a proletarian façade, but more a totalitarianism by bureacracy or committee perhaps, wherein business and government are in partnership for their own ends, because they are increasingly one. Is it a matter of emphasis, of ascendancy between the private and corporate? What if there really is little difference between them?"
... jca
Bernanke has this. All is under control. www.facebook.com/DeepThoughtsByBenBernanke
“The Fed’s sole purpose: keeping the banks afloat"
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Maybe at one time that was true--and it still is to an extent. But the #1 mission of the FED is to keep interest rates on US Treasuries low, period. Its the only way to keep the deficit from exploding and the US from defaulting.
"Your doin' a real Bang up job there Brownie"
GW Bush, circia 2005
Contrary to common belief – it is not this banking cartel's mission to act in the best interest of the American public.
Yeah, well the same could be said about the Federal Government.
What is up with all the banking protection, eh? What about the protection of U.S. citizens from the banksters?
What a sad state of affairs we find ourselves in and yet the banksters have it made.
The Fed's sole purpose is actually to keep the US government afloat. It does this through the banking system to add a veneer of respectability to its monetisation of government debt.
The days of the Fed being a discounter of quality commercial paper are looooooong gone.
How many 'mercun sheeple" really care that their wealth is slowly being eroded by inflation? Not that many. And there is a reason why. It is all of this fiat, and the policies of the gubmint that makes them believe they have a stake in the system, and that it works for them. Once Social Security blows up, their assumptions will be laid bare to the real truth. Like Esau, we as a nation have sold our birthright for a bowl of soup. And not just Social Security, EVERY GUBMINT PROGRAM from cradle to grave was intentionally put into place just for this reason {not to mention take over your life}. It won't be until the tits dry up that the little pigs {mercun sheeple} will begin to squeal.
Griffin took a lot of his information from Eustace Mullins' 1953 expose "Secrets of the Federal Reserve". But Griffin would not touch one subject that Mullins discussed in detail and that is, Hitler's dealing with Max Warburg, the head of the Central Bank of Germany, and the brother of Paul Warburg, the architect and co-founder of the Federal Reserve System. It is known as “The London Connection”, and Mullins exposes how the Federal Reserve was under the authority of the Bank of England, which in turn is under the authority of the House of Rothschild. Hitler made an agreement with Rothschild to continue on the fiat system once he took power and would keep Germany under the thumb of the Bank of England. But Hitler lied, and when he took power created a sound currency, which sealed his fate. World War 2 was fought because Hitler resisted the Central Banks fiat system, and they declared war on him in 1933. This is much in the same way that Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi didn’t play along with the Central Bankers’ Ponzi scheme and thus had to be exterminated.
as the US $, CAN$, AUS$ and finallly the euro reach parity...probably massive repo/swap lines during the next crash, the Fed will direclty influence the currencies via the US$ of more than half the planet...add in countries where there is a peg too. to what end? just pure power I suppose. will china be the 'liar'? or maybe someone else.
you heard it here first...european civil war. visualize revolution in each country that wants to exit the euro: pro euro vs anti euro. not too dissimilar to the fascist uprisings in the 30s.
: "you heard it here first...european civil war"
This makes sense. But I think a European Civil War will pale in comparision to the anarchy we will see hear in the United States.
Indirect methods duh. The masses have iphones and won't notice..
Oh look, it has begun in earnest, they are chipping students in San Antonio, Texas: http://living.msn.com/family-parenting/the-family-room-blog-post?post=9b...
TPTB marking their property