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Debate Post-Mortem: Wreckin' Raddatz, Laughin' Angry-Boy Biden, And Car-Crash Ryan
And so another disingenuous display of avoiding saying anything definitive about anything specific is complete. Without doubt the winner of this evening's 'round-table' is Martha Raddatz. Despite the incessant interruption and grinning/laughing/anger/frustration of Biden (and Ryan bringing up a 'car-crash' - awkward), the two candidates had relatively equal talking time (via CNN Biden Won 41:32 vs Ryan 40:12) but Ryan pipped Biden by 7,434 words to 7,425! Picking a winner is tough - so we won't - but Obama's odds rose from a pre-debate dump to 61% to over 64% (this morning's levels) - but stopped rising once the candidates began to discuss Afghanistan and Syria and when Ryan 'summed-up', Obama's odds crashed back to unchanged at 61.2%. Ryan won the drinking game 32 to 26.
Biden - 3x Malarkey
Ryan - 1x Car-Crash
The Obama Odds Rollercoaster:
The Final Score in The Drinking Debate (via @DebateDrinking):
On the Drink-O-Matic 4000™ - Biden 26, Ryan 32 - DebateDrinking.com
— Debate Drinking (@DebateDrinking) October 12, 2012
The full headline stream from Bloomberg
BIDEN
*JOE BIDEN SAYS LIBYA ATTACK WAS 'TRAGEDY'
*JOE BIDEN SAYS ANY MISTAKES IN LIBYA WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN
*BIDEN SAYS OBAMA 'HAS LED WITH A STEADY HAND AND CLEAR VISION'
*BIDEN SAYS 'WE WEREN'T TOLD' LIBYA EMBASSY NEEDED MORE SECURITY
*BIDEN: 'WE FEEL QUITE CONFIDENT' IN ABILITY TO STRIKE IRAN
*BIDEN: 'WE WILL NOT LET THEM ACQUIRE A NUCLEAR WEAPON'
*BIDEN: 'THEY DON'T HAVE A WEAPON' IN IRAN
*BIDEN: WAR MUST ALWAYS BE 'LAST RESORT'
*BIDEN SAYS 'THIS PRESIDENT DOESN'T BLUFF'
*BIDEN: 'WE CAN AND WE WILL' GET UNEMPLOYMENT UNDER 6%
*BIDEN SAYS TIMELINE FOR DROP IN UNEMPLOYMENT UNCERTAIN
*BIDEN SAYS ROMNEY, RYAN SHOULD SIGN PLEDGE TO MIDDLE CLASS
*BIDEN SAYS GOP NEEDS TO 'GET OUT OF THE WAY'
*BIDEN SAYS GOP HOLDING UP GOOD POLICIES TO HELP MIDDLE CLASS
*BIDEN: 'FOLLOW YOUR INSTINCTS' ON ROMNEY, RYAN MEDICARE PLAN
*BIDEN: 'WE WILL BE NO PART OF A VOUCHER PROGRAM' ON MEDICARE
*BIDEN: 'NO JUSTIFICATION' NOW FOR TAX CUTS FOR WEALTHY
*BIDEN: ROMNEY WILL CUT MIDDLE CLASS TAX BREAKS
*BIDEN: AFGHANS RESPONSIBLE FOR OWN SECURITY
*BIDEN: 'WE ARE LEAVING IN 2014, PERIOD'
*BIDEN: ALLIES AGREE W/ U.S. TIMELINE IN AFGHANISTAN
*BIDEN: TIMELINE IS NECESSARY TO MAKE AFGHANISTAN 'STEP UP'
*BIDEN: OBAMA ENSURING ASSAD REGIME FOLLOWED BY LEGITIMATE GOVT
*BIDEN: OBAMA DOING EXACTLY WHAT'S NEEDED IN SYRIA
*BIDEN: CATHOLICISM 'PARTICULARLY' INFORMS SOCIAL DOCTRINE
*BIDEN SAYS ACCEPTS, WON'T IMPOSE CATHOLIC CHURCH ABORTION VIEW*BIDEN: 'WE INHERITED A GOD AWFUL CIRCUMSTANCE'
*BIDEN: PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR 'EVEN SHOT,' PEACE OF MIND
RYAN
*RYAN SAYS OBAMA WAITED TO CALL LIBYA ATTACK TERRORISM
*RYAN SAYS OBAMA IS 'PROJECTING WEAKNESS ABROAD'
*RYAN SAYS DEFENSE CUTS PROJECT WEAKNESS
*RYAN SAYS 'WE SHOULD ALWAYS STAND UP FOR PEACE' AND DEMOCRACY
*RYAN SAYS IRAN 'RACING TOWARD' NUCLEAR WEAPON
*RYAN SAYS ADMINISTRATION WAS AGAINST TOUGH IRAN SANCTIONS
*RYAN: ADMINISTRATION OPPOSED IRAN SANCTIONS, ISSUED WAIVERS
*RYAN SAYS ADMINISTRATION'S ACTIVITY ABROAD ENCOURAGES IRAN
*RYAN SAYS ADMINISTRATION INHERITED 'TOUGH SITUATION'
*RYAN SAYS ECONOMY 'HEADED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION'
*RYAN SAYS 'MITT ROMNEY IS A GOOD MAN,' CARES ABOUT 100% OF U.S.
*RYAN SAYS DEMOCRATS HAD MAJORITY, FAILED TO HELP ECONOMY
*RYAN SAYS OBAMA SEND TAX DOLLARS TO 'WINDMILLS IN CHINA'
*RYAN: ENTITLEMENTS HEADING TOWARD BANKRUPTCY 'INDISPUTABLE'
*RYAN: OBAMA GOT CAUGHT W/ HAND IN 'PIGGY BANK' ON MEDICARE
*RYAN: 'IF WE DON'T FIX THIS PROBLEM,' SENIORS WILL GET CUT
*RYAN: 'WE ARE NOT GOING TO JEOPARDIZE' MEDICARE
*RYAN: ROMNEY'S 'ENTIRE PLAN' ON TAXES BASED ON HELPING ECONOMY
*RYAN: 'WATCH OUT MIDDLE CLASS' OBAMA WILL TAX YOU
*RYAN: UNLIKE OBAMA, WE 'WANT TO HAVE BIG BIPARTISAN AGREEMENTS'
*RYAN: ROMNEY HAS RECORD OF WORKING ACROSS THE AISLE
*RYAN: GAINS IN AFGHANISTAN SHOULDN'T BE LOST
*RYAN: U.S. SHOULDN'T BROADCAST AFGHANISTAN TIMELINE
*RYAN: TIMELINE GIVES ALLIES REASON TO TRUST US LESS
*RYAN: 'RUSSIA RESET'S NOT WORKING,' PROVEN BY SYRIA DISPUTES
*RYAN SAYS NO ONE PROPOSING U.S TROOPS IN SYRIA
*RYAN: U.S. SHOULDN'T BE 'OUTSOURCING' FOREIGN POLICY TO RUSSIA
*RYAN: FAITH, REASON AND SCIENCE BEHIND PRO-LIFE BELIEFS*RYAN: OBAMA 'HAD HIS CHANCE' AND 'IT'S NOT WORKING'
*RYAN: HE, ROMNEY OFFERING REAL REFORMS, WANT TO EARN SUPPORT
An incredibly close race in the number of words uttered:
Biden 7,425 words
Ryan 7,434 words
So - overall Time Talking goes to Biden, Words Spoken goes to Ryan, and critical tie-breaker - drinking-game goes to Ryan; and so with no need to go to the official arbitrator (InTrade - which was unchanged after the late debate crash) - we call the debate for Paul Ryan by a score of 2-1!
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I'm writing in Honey Boo Boo.
A Shirley Temple for the Greater Depression ... a fitting poor little rich girl for our times.
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The stupids who are thinking the debate was even close are needing to be hearing words that are now being written by people who are not the stupids...
While Ryan’s performance was boring and canned sounding, the night belonged to Biden, for better and for worse. The Vice President displayed the pugnacity and pluck his boss failed to flash against Mitt Romney. Seizing the debate from the start, Biden marshaled an aggressive defense of the Obama Administration’s record at home and abroad. He promoted the success of the stimulus, praised Obama for his progress unwinding two foreign wars and sought to convince swing voters that the economic recovery was gaining traction.
Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2012/10/11/biden-ryan-clash-in-aggressive-vice-presidential-debate/#ixzz293awc89O
Everybody but the most hard-core Kool-Aid drinkers knows that Time is in the tank for Obama and has been for the past 5 years.
My advice is that you shouldn't go around calling other people stupid.
What either of these two heads of the same party say matters not. Its what they are doing and have done that matters.
Obama talked Hope and Change and has delivered percisely none. I can't think of a single campaign promise that he actually kept.
Romney says he's against the Affordable Care Act only he implemented a version of it in Massachusetts.
Ryan says the deficits are out of control and that they'll cut it. He voted down the Simpson-Bowles plan , and for TARP and for the wars at the same time as tax cuts.
They're all so full of sh&*. Who cares who won the "debate"?
The problem with the "Simpson - Bowles" plan is that the spending cuts are not defined. Until the Dems will agree to the cuts, I will never agrree to the tax increases. It is a SPENDING problem resulting from continually increasing Dem promises of entitlements. Unending entitlement increases cannot be funded with a 100% tax rate.
"Until the Dems will agree to the cuts, I will never agrree to the tax increases."
You have no say in any aspect of this government. Zero.
"It is a SPENDING problem resulting from continually increasing Dem promises of entitlements."
Nope. It *was* a takeover...because it already happened:
"Griffin: Okay, so what do we do? What is your recommendation to the American people?
Bezmenov: Well, the immediate thing that comes to my mind is of course, there must be a very strong national effort to educate people in the spirit of real patriotism, number one. Number two, to explain [to] them the real danger of socialist, communist, whatever, welfare state, Big Brother government. If people will fail to grasp the impending danger of that development, nothing ever can help [the] United States."
"This is what will happen in [the] United States if you allow all these schmucks to bring the country to crisis, to promise people all kind[s] of goodies and the paradise on earth, to destabilize your economy, to eliminate the principle of free market competition, and to put [a] Big Brother government in Washington, D.C. with benevolent dictators like Walter Mondale, who will promise lots of thing[s], never mind whether the promises are fulfillable or not. He will go to Moscow to kiss the bottoms of [a] new generation of Soviet assassins, never mind... he will create false illusions that the situation is under control. [The] situation is not under control. [The] situation is disgustingly out of control.
Most of the American politicians, media, and educational system trains another generation of people who think they are living at the peacetime. False. [The] United States is in a state of war: undeclared, total war against the basic principles and foundations of this system. And the initiator of this war is not Comrade Andropov, of course. It's the system. However ridiculous it may sound, [it is] the world Communist system (or the world Communist conspiracy). Whether I scare some people or not, I don't give a hoot. If you are not scared by now, nothing can scare you."
The system has many in it's grasp. It's over for them.
The 99% indeed.
Tyler
is it me or is your user data base being hacked as i speak? just a question
"People Get Going"
or
"People Want Going"
Yes, we want to get both crony two-faced back stabbing political parties to be gone, and your bankers with you.
Clearly, anyone can see Biden won...
By a whopping 10 words.
They coached your boy Ryan well personality-wise: He was much less arrogant and obnoxious than he always is on CNBC, where all of us have seen him perform way too many times by now.
I thought he was quite good on healthcare.
But he was disastrous on foreign policy - not that that is Biden's strong suit, either.
If I were the Obama-ites, I would utilize the foreign policy weaknesses of the Romney-Ryan ticket and hoist them on their own - Uber-naive, war-mongering - petards.
I believe most of the US electorate is not in the mood for war-mongering now and doesn't want to hear any sabres rattling.
On the other hand, the Obama-ites need to be pushed on Energy, although I would stay away from controversial coal.
Energy independence is far and away the GOP's strong suit, although we have been very pig-headed and wrong-headed about passenger rail, a potentially massive kind of GOOD stimulus we should bend over backwards to embrace.
And the attacks on auto manufacturing by Romney have to stop. So much of American innovation over the years has come out of the auto and aerospace sectors, the public literally hates the GOP's appearance of abandoning them. And considering the States these industries are important to, it's a political mistake of the first order.
I would never, ever vote for Obama. Romney gives me the creeps too. Years ago, my dad was senior pilot for Eastern Airlines, head of flight safety and rep to ALPA. During the Frank Borman era, a corp raider named Frank Lorenzo of Texas Air took over Eastern and dismantled it piece by piece. Is Romney a Lorenzo?
Joe reminded me of a giant, toothy rat who had eaten all the cheese.
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