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Ron Paul On The "One-Party System"
Ron 'I'm playing the long-game' Paul will not go quietly into the night - and rightly so, it would seem, given his truthiness. In a recent brief interview on CNBC's Futures Now, he managed to diss Romney, smash the 'belief' in a 'two-party' system, and undermine any hope for economic change from the farce of an election. Summed up simply: "There is essentially no difference between one administration and another, no matter what the platform."
Starting by agreeing with Jim Rogers recent views that we discussed here, he refises to endorse Romney and then it gets interesting...
"They haven't the vaguest idea what Austrian free-market hard-money economics is"
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Most here realize that a choice between the lesser of two evils is a false choice given to us by the powers that be that control both our corrupt parties. What few realize is that there is a brilliantly simple and effective way to get past this false choice. Yes it's going to be a long slog to get it implemented at the federal level (start with local and state of course), but the first step is to know about it.
And in the meantime, there is something many of us (those who live is solidly blue or solidly red states) can do NOW, this election. I'll get back to that at the bottom of the comment.
Approval Voting allows one to vote yes or no for EACH candidate on the ballot.
In 1992 most of us here at ZH would have voted Yes for Perot and could also have voted Yes for one of the other two LOTEs (Lesser of Two Evils) depending on which LOTE you preferred screwing you.
Given that Perot got 19% of the vote under our lesser of two evils system, he may actually have won under an Approval Voting system. Then we wouldn't have NAFTA (both parties supported it - that's why we have it) and we wouldn't have repealed Glass Steagall (both parties supported the repeal) and we wouldn't end up spending trillions bailing out financial criminals (since both parties supported the bailout and the lack of prosecutions).
What can we do NOW in 2012?
And in the meantime, while we're working to get Approval Voting at the federal level we coordinate with our fellow Americans to break the grip of the two party false choice.
We tell all of our conservative friends and family who live in strongly Blue states to vote for Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party. Don't waste a good vote on Romney in a state where he can't possibly win. Instead vote for a candidate and party that would get federal funding if it got to 5% of the vote.
Conversely we tell all of our progressive friends and family who live in strongly Red states to vote for Jill Stein of the Green Party. Don't waste a good vote on Obama in a state where he can't possibly win. Instead vote for a candidate and party that would get federal funding if it got to 5% of the vote.
Even if you think Approval Voting will never happen, spread the word about how conservatives in Blue States should make use of their vote and how progressives in Red States should do the same.
Here's a link that explains Approval Voting (http://www.approvalvoting.org). There are a lot of variations, but the one I describe and link to is the simplest for Americans to understand and to implement and doesn't have any weaknesses. The guy who founded and heads the organization is a piece of work, but the idea is awesome.
There is a flaw in your proposal. The electoral college. If no one gets a majority of the electoral votes, which would have been the case had Perot done a bit better, then it goes to the House where there would be a party line vote by state. You'd really need a constitutional convention to make all the necessary changes.
That has to be fixed too, agreed. We've certainly got work to do.
In the meantime conservatives in solidly Blue States should vote for Gary Johnson of the Liberatarian Party.
Progressives in solidly Red States should vote for Jill Stein of the Green Party.
Do you agree? If not, why not? Will you spread the word? It could make a huge difference if people actually did this thing.
"Rand, you're adopted."
The gov'ts of all levels are only looking to pad their pockets. The change needs to happen starting from the muni on up to control their spending which will help reduce taxes. They haven't done any pension reforms like to get rid of them entirely.
I think Paul was our last chance... we have no more time... what is coming will change the country. Shit, I am only in my early 50's... I was hoping to live a full life and croak prior to the coming shit-storm. Gold is cool... but when the systems break down, it will be either Nazi Germany or the wild west again... water and food... and the only way to get them will be to take them. Arm up.
I am not much younger than you. Why would anyone rate you down unless they were on this board with a mission to disrupt? What's wrong for anticipating an all-powerful police state or it's opposite? Both are possible. A civil war here in the US would serve a lot of interests. Maybe some of the shit heads here are on Chinese, Russian, or Israeli payroll? Like it doesn't feel like we are at the end of the line here? Like Romney and Obama offer real options? I do have some concerns with Paul's lack of attacking the Republican establishment theft of his wins in the primaries. If he was a gentleman whose main focus was on educating the next generation, he should have passed the torch to Gary Johnson or some other candidate representing real change. Were some deals made to help Rand? Maybe, I don't know. But we can't afford to throw the baby out with the bathwater. That is, we shouldn't dismiss the Pauls unless something better comes forward. I agree with Earth Ling that we should at the very least vote for Stein in solidly red states and Johnson in solidly red states. Until we can get Instant Runoff Voting in place like they have in San Francisco, where no one will be called a spoiler ever again. The repub/dem establishment are the biggest foes of IRV.
"They haven't the vaguest idea what Austrian free-market hard-money economics is"
Which is why it should be renamed "Liberty Economics"! Then you're either for it or you have to start explaining!
Exactly. Perfect idea. Then we need the Patriot Money Act that gets rid of the Fed and makes gold and silver the only money.
From Jesse's café Americain :
"Thus the elements are in place: a weak legislative body, a legal system that is both compliant and repressive, a party system in which one party, whether in opposition or in the majority, is bent upon reconstituting the existing system so as to permanently favor a ruling class of the wealthy, the well-connected and the corporate, while leaving the poorer citizens with a sense of helplessness and political despair, and, at the same time, keeping the middle classes dangling between fear of unemployment and expectations of fantastic rewards once the new economy recovers.
That scheme is abetted by a sycophantic and increasingly concentrated media; by the integration of universities with their corporate benefactors; by a propaganda machine institutionalized in well-funded think tanks and conservative foundations; by the increasingly closer cooperation between local police and national law enforcement agencies aimed at identifying terrorists, suspicious aliens and domestic dissidents."
Sheldon Wolin, Inverted Totalitarianism, 2003 essay
Representative institutions no longer represent voters. Instead, they have been short-circuited, steadily corrupted by an institutionalized system of bribery that renders them responsive to powerful interest groups whose constituencies are the major corporations and wealthiest Americans. The courts, in turn, when they are not increasingly handmaidens of corporate power, are consistently deferential to the claims of national security.
Elections have become heavily subsidized non-events that typically attract at best merely half of an electorate whose information about foreign and domestic politics is filtered through corporate-dominated media. Citizens are manipulated into a nervous state by the media's reports of rampant crime and terrorist networks, by thinly veiled threats of the Attorney General and by their own fears about unemployment. What is crucially important here is not only the expansion of governmental power but the inevitable discrediting of constitutional limitations and institutional processes that discourages the citizenry and leaves them politically apathetic.
No doubt these remarks will be dismissed by some as alarmist, but I want to go further and name the emergent political system"inverted totalitarianism." By inverted I mean that while the current system and its operatives share with Nazism the aspiration toward unlimited power and aggressive expansionism, their methods and actions seem upside down. For example, in Weimar Germany, before the Nazis took power, the "streets" were dominated by totalitarian-oriented gangs of toughs, and whatever there was of democracy was confined to the government. In the United States, however, it is the streets where democracy is most alive--while the real danger lies with an increasingly unbridled government.
What idiots voted this thumbs down? lol.
A couple of GS 13s
Partisans. And they are truly idiots.
So Ron Paul won't leave the Republican Party cuz why again? :P
Because Ron Paul ran for president as a Republican, there is a Ron Paul revolution, a nationwide movement unflagging and growing. Because of the third party restrictions imposed by the Republicans and Democrats, his ideas and forceful arguments would never have reached a nationwide audience afforded him through the Republican primaries and a reluctant media.
The media was forced to allow him to speak and Americans heard.
And culminating this primary campaign, because he ran as a Republican, Ron Paul’s presence at the Republican Convention forced the nation to see the corruption and fraud that permeates the system. Had he not been in the Republican primaries, none of these developments would have occurred.
Excuse me.... I just threw up a litte bit in my mouth....
Tell us again how awesome Obama is.
blankfein warning of the fiscal cliff,
you find that in the encyclopedia under
outrageously shameless and hypocritical.
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Thursday, October 11, 2012Full Show
Birthplace of Atomic Bomb, New Mexico Remains Center of Massive U.S. Nuclear Arsenal
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http://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/11/birthplace_of_atomic_bomb_new_mexico
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"J. ROBERT OPPENHEIMER: I have been asked whether in the years to come it will be possible to kill 40 million American people in the 20 largest American towns by the use of atomic bombs in a single night. I am afraid that the answer to that question is yes."
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"J. ROBERT OPPENHEIMER: A few people laughed, a few people cried. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad Gita: "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another."
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cheers to the most powerful on wall street, you have
succeeded in becoming "destroyers of worlds" with the
cover of legitimacy provided by your political and
legislative purchases, cheers to you too !
the my stery of hi story will re member us all.
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weapons of financial mass destruction in the hands
of financial terrorists, our future?
If you would like to read how things were done in J.P. Morgan's day, read this Montreal Gazette article from January 7, 1914
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=33UuAAAAIBAJ&sjid=QIEFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2...
Ron Paul is one man who could have walked as an equal with the Founders…unlike recent presidents and the gaggle of pygmies who walk today’s halls of Congress.
Unbowed, unbending, and yet refusing to keep silent; Dr. Paul’s revolution lives because he speaks a language sadly unfamiliar to modern man: truth.
One of Ron Paul’s strongest supporters, Justin Raimondo who is a founder of Anitwar.com, has made his own no-compromise truth telling effective in the same way. And today is a benchmark for Justin, with appearance of his third and final installment of the most powerful exposure yet made on the neoconservatives who took America to war in the Middle East.
Just how courageous is Justin in talking truth and taking this stand? The headings for the three installments tell the story:
· The Israel Lobby and the Road to War – October 12th, 2012
· It’s All About Israel– October 9th, 2012
· Why Target Iran? – October 7th, 2012
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/10/11/the-israel-lobby-and-the-road-to-war/
"There is essentially no difference between one administration and another, no matter what the platform."
This it would seem is obvious, but the cause is a bit more subtle than just R vs O or Rep vs Dem. Much of the status quo, the statist mindset, has to do with the entrenched bureaucracy, the life-long mid and upper level government employees who lifestyle, wage, extensive free bennies and gold-plated retirements are dependent on maintain this status quo.
Have you ever heard the unelected leaders of a Federal agency call for elimination of their program, reduction is funding or opportunities for efficiency? Furthermore, these are the enablers of the business welfare system, they know the details of how to get around the laws and work with lawmakers and interested parties to make it so.
This is the real problem, these deeply entrenched government workers who are charged to look out for our wellbeing, do nothing of the sort and will do all in their power to keep their cushy arrangement. Politicians who get elected and move to Washington on a "cut the bureaucratic mess" platform soon realize how difficult it is to do so.
It will take one real bad-a** to cut this one down to size. Not sure either of these guys or anyone else for that matter can pull it off.
sschu
Thank you SSCHU for pointing out the main problem. Nearly all the current big government apparatus was created by Johnson/Nixon and is stocked with leftist bureaucrats. Anyone who promises to end it, can't get elected.
Exactly, The WeeBees - We be here when you get here, and We Be here when you are gone. Nothing will really change until the it all collapses.
We deal with workers comp claims as part of our business and our state is one of the few (if only) one that does not allow private insurance. Unless you are a company with a billion in revenue and significant financial resources you are stuck with our state run system. The horror stories of ineptitude, incompetency, waste, fraud are endless, we all pay for it and have no option, we are stuck.
There was a state initiative to allow private insurance, but the local labor unions, the teachers union and the SEIU guys spent millions to defeat what 49 other states do without hesitation.
Oh, Oregon instituted a private insurance option about 20 years ago and has not had a rate increase since then. Meanwhile WA state workers comp rates have doubled over the same timeframe, plus the state fund is significantly under their legally defined reserve requirements and the actuaries are telling us we need a 20% annual rate increase for the 5 years to catch-up.
This is an all-too-familiar story when dealing with government agencies. Look at the post office, what is a $5B annual loss among friends?
sschu
Here's something I've previously tweeted.
"I refuse to vote for anyone that is a part of the Federal Reserve Note Party!"
With the way things have played out, I've decided that I'm not voting.
@Wile-E Ron Paul may be Yoda, but Luke will be somebody else. He has unleashed upon the world an army of liberty supporters and mark my words , the next leader is among them.
Then why didn't Ron Paul go independent years ago instead of sticking with the shit-and-piss Repulicrat party? In any event, I still believe he may be installed temporarily as President when the MASS ARRESTS occur and the Federal Reserve Note is scrapped... http://tinyurl.com/cd5cyjo/
last night's debate?
this sums it up...
YouTube - Tough Guys Don't Dance: Obama in Five on Hard Man Paul Ryan
If you can't tell the difference between a conservative Republican and a liberal Democrat then stay home on election day.
'Crush the bourgeoisie between the millstones of inflation and taxation,' said Lenin.
The project continues ... no matter what political theatre is served up to entertain you, and your liking for court jesters with different colored banners who agree on all matters of significance once they gain power over you, as the last few decades has proven.
I'm a liberal. Obama is no liberal.
Then what is he? And what do you call a liberal?
hmm.... rocky anderson? dennis k.? the guy from vermont?
Why is it important to you to find a label for yourself?
I like his truthiness. The red pill and the blue pill are both toxic; they infect the Republic with the same disease: complacency, greed - and corporatism which is rule by big government allied with biggest banks and any religion that will vote for them...
Or in the case of the U.S., any bureaucrat or public employee who refuses to put citizenship above their cynical 'me first and only' pay check...and then blames Wall Street for being the same as they are: entirely self-serving, with no sense of enlightened self-interest.
'No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent.'
(John Donne)
Corporatism is Big Brother State fascism - the aim of the Trilateral Commission, co-founded by the Rockefellers and Rothschilds among others, and still exerting its will over the many for the deranged power hungry aims of the relatively few.
George Orwell warned about this dystopia in his novels 'NineteenEightyFour' and 'Animal Farm'. These books were intended to be a warning - but modern politicians, central banks and bureaucrats use them as an instruction manual, it seems.
Trust the evidence of your own eyes and ears, and resist the propagandists, and their lying 'statistics'.
Bernanke's opinion on the debate last night.
Malarkey.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=425934377463426&set=a.419537584769772.96973.419519498104914&type=1&theater
Ron Paul is a great man...he may have faults like any human being but that brings him down to about 97.5% (the average politician is about 5%).
However, RP has as much of a chance of fixing Amerika as putting him on a plance to Russia and asking him to fix that country. We are sadly a population of idiots and criminals (although there are still enough good people left to post comments to ZH!!).
RIP
My little town and the surrounding area is full of thoughtful, neighborly people who can easily revert back to self-sufficiency if the crooks in government and central banks blow up the world monetary system again, as they appear intent on doing.
Modern things like computers, internet, tax funded hand-outs on a large scale, town water, big supermarkets...all these things are new, and easily replaced.
1776, and all that...
No surrender.
We are not naive. We see the grave offense against the Republic that is the NDAA, and we see the central government purchasing large amounts of bullets and girding its forces.
The woods and waters of our land is best known to us, and no drone, no foreigner can win here.
The criminal federal government wouldn't last two weeks against the American people, but let's not let it come to that. Much easier and less violent to just arrest the traitors and put them on trial... http://tinyurl.com/cd5cyjo/
This reminds me of the scene in Swordfish when Travolta shoots the Senator through the heart. Does anyone remember what Travolta said to him?
He who laughs last laughs the loudest. However slight his build, Mr. Paul is building up a from-the-gut chuckle to be heard around the US.
And I am not even a supporter, but respect where its due.
She will make marargent streamers, to ,,, do not do the bluellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllRyan,
Ryan, I wanna ski vermont with yall, I could cheeriily bring out the downhill skiier in those ryanatior, sliders. To the tunes of the Mothers FinesT Band. Like the Tenth Moutain Division.That back run home will make you scream for your creator . llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
You're buggy.
It's hopeless then... there is no hope
Nergative. The Imperial Core is eating its own tail and they will choke on it. Witness the desperate, psychopathic measures being taken.
Yes, the bloated criminal government is a snake eating it's own tail. Eventually, it will choke it die. The government is absolutely desperate and psychotic. The criminal government is losing control of everything, even the media is ready to turn. They know the people are coming for them shortly... http://tinyurl.com/cd5cyjo/
Why is it that Ron Paul is willing to 'name names' when it comes to banks, but never once have I heard him mention Monsanto, a corporation very worthy of the harshest of critizism and better yet, restrictive legislative action by a congressman like Dr Paul himself?
Monsanto is a symptom.
Where and when has Ron Paul dealt with the cause (GMO patent protection). While he has been vocal about raw milk, in that case it was the government that was directly restricting our ability to purchase and drink it. But in the case of Monsanto, it is a corporation that is directly restricting the freedoms of farmers and seed savers and cleaners. Even though it is government laws that allow Monsanto's tyranny, Dr Paul seems to be silent since if it is not the government that is initiating restrictions on our liberties. He seems to be content to look the other way when a corporation like Monsanto is the one directly restricting our freedoms. I'd like to be proven wrong here, so somone please provide an example that does so.
it's one thing with the ad hominem attacks from ignorant trolls, but i find it funny too when a people will try and lambast Ron Paul for not speaking out on their one specific issue.
Ron Paul spoke out about raw milk because of the violence associated with the USDA raiding a raw milk supplier. He doesn't care about the raw milk per se, he is using it as the symptom of the disease.
Libertarianism has 2 main principles, private property rights and no violence (including by the state).
In cases like Monsanto and GMO, it will boil down to this:
1. farmers farms are private property, they should be allowed to grow their own seed, harvest their own crops as they feel.
2. if farmers steal GMO seed they should be arrested
3. if a monsanto GMO crop cross-pollinates a farm, the FARMER should be able to sue whichever other farmer used the monstanto crop (e.g. if an organic famer's corn is cross-pollinated by a GMO crop on an adjacent farm). Monsanto should not be able to sue the farmer in that case (there is a court case where monsanto won this exact case against a farmer whose crops were pollinated from another farm).
The closest I can find where Ron Paul would speak out a similar issue is that of pollution. He would abolish the EPA, but enforce private property rights. If someone is polluting on your land, or your water (or your air), you should be able to seek redress.
Probably the only 'flaw' in libertarian thinking is it would result in a lot of potential lawsuits, otherwise the principles are sound.
Yup. Ron Paul is evil for not mentioning Monsanto more than he has. As an aside, you can get raw milk from Amish farms in Maryland. Its now sold as pet milk.
The problem with ad hominem occurs when someone makes a claim that because a statement comes from person X receiving a negative label Y then the statement coming from person X must be false because it came from the person with the label Y. Where have I made such a claim? I've just claimed that Ron Paul has been negligent in his job as congressman because he has not done anything to stop the tyranny of Monsanto and other corporations. If anything I'd claim that Paul's supports have been making the same fundamental epistemological mistake in their support as exists when someone makes when making an ad hominem critique. That is, his supporters tend to rely on the argument from authority and just gobble up whatever he says just because its coming from Ron Paul.
You stated: "In cases like Monsanto and GMO, it will boil down to this"
What do you mean by "boil down"? Do you think the points you stated just will happen by the forces of nature. Everything you listed were social, political legal issues that depend on human behavior. And the behavior of Monsanto has been to hire Pinkerton thugs to trespass onto farmers private property in search of Monsanto's GMO seeds that had drifted onto the farmers lands. Then those hired thugs would intimidate the farmers into signing on with the Monsanto program -- talk about violence, Monsanto is no better than the USDA but Ron Paul doesn't seem to care, he only cares if it is the government doing the violence but then he looks the other way when a corporation is acting violently towards the people.
As a more recent example other than Monsanto where Paul has been, as far as I know, silent is in the case of property owners in his own State of Texas being forced to allow fracking gas drillers to drill on private property without even compensating the property owners. Where is Ron Paul on this issue. Maybe he's ok with property rights being violated as long as it is a big oil and gas company doing the violating and not the government.
Manufacturing and environmental issues aren't Dr. Paul's bag. He's an Army doctor with an interest in monetary policy and politics.
It may not be his bag, but as a congressman, the Monsanto problem is his responsibility and therefore it is his job to deal with and not ingnore.
I agree with Ron Paul on a number of points, and sure, I think its great that he brings many of those non-mainstream points to the mainstream press. But he's not my leader. I don't need a leader. Leaders are for children who need guidance. I'm a big boy now. I'm independent. I can think for myself. The problem is there are too many out there who seem to have an emotional need for some have some authority figure to be their guide to look up to. When that happens the danger exists that the followers will have a tendency to forget to think for themselves and instead just go along 'hook line and sinker' not just in the areas that they originally agreed with their leader and attracted them to him in the first place, but now with whatever their leader spouts out. Therein is the problem with the Ron Paul movement. There just seems to be too much fervor and devotion to the man and not enough to the ideas. Ron Paul, as a legislator, is merely a public servant whose job it is to do the public's bidding and should be treated accordingly. That's how we should treat all our elected officials from the President on down -- as grunt servants incapable of working without constant supervision and goading by their electorate bosses.
I highly respect all independent thinkers, but if you do not plan to choose sides, if you do not ear your place at the table, you will regret it. I must leave it to you to earn your voice in the rebuild. THere will be a few as always. Here is your chance. There are no tories here. How about you``?
Yes, don't Whig out.
Never trust anyone with two first names...... JUST KIDDING! RELAX PEOPLE!!!!
A vote for Ron Paul is like giving the rest of them the finger. I can hardly wait for Nov 6.
I don't usually vote. But, when I do, it's for Ron Paul.
Stack metals, my friends...
Now here's a worthy contender for the Nobel peace prize! But life long service in high office voting and speaking against war didn't mean jack, the game was always rigged!
Abraham Lincoln said we should overthrow the Federal Government when it gets this bad. He left out the details on how to do it. Then the banksters killed him for printing money of and for the people.
Abraham fucking Lincoln, that worthless turd? He's the guy that laid the groundwork for all these current day pikers on how to shred the constitution and use it for toilet paper. First to illegally declare war (isn't that congress' job?), suspend habeus corpus, threaten supreme court justices, openly censor and threaten the media, throw people in jail for disagreeing with him? He said the people should overthrow the government when it gets bad? He's the fucker that started the civil war because several states tried to peacably leave their compact, so what the fuck was he talking about.
Don't give me the slavery bullshit - that was the last thing on his mind. If not, the emancipation proclamation would have occurred day one of his administration.
Abraham fuckin Lincoln........what a useless, power hungry, murderous turd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Macon
The only difference between Bush, Obama, and Romney is a few percent in my tax rate. Well, and Obama is an american hating muslim communist. Ron Paul is right.
Nothing better than a "comment section" after a "Ron Paul" article.
It's the best place to be to feel the chaos,
of our own ignorance and making.
The challenge is always the attempt to differentiate between denial, ignorance, and entitlement.
I will be writing in my vote for Ron Paul,
and as I stand in line,
I'll be secretly damning the denial, the ignorance, and the entitlement
that are the only things
that make my vote not worth a damn.
Not worth a damn,
Except in Principle.
And that will get me home.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_Rights_Gist
The country is broken.
Captain Obvious
I played the vid, and started to read the comments. I'm looking back at the youtube ad right now. It's a double ad ....
"The Mitt-Romney Official Site"
and
"Official Obama Website"
I'll bet it's actually only one click.
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For the most part, everybody here knows for whom they will vote, OR are acutely aware it doesn't make any fuckin' difference.. either we are nulled out by some bizarro mirror image diptick on the other team. Or you vote for your local Councilman, wipe your ass with the rest of the ballot and drop it in the box.
So who the fuck are the "undecided" or "swing voters"?
Which brings us to the likelihood that this entire election process is geared to the 5% tards who have to think real hard about this. (my abject apology to the mentally-challenged, I'm not the insult, the 5% tards are by choice and not unfortunate genetics)
The $3B likely spent for the presidential campaigns is 47 1/2% to 47 1/2% nulled capital which likely could have been put to some productive use.
Rather than spend money on lies and bullshit, why don't the RNC and the DNC just come up with cash to have marathons of "Keeping up with the Kardashians" and "Honey Boo Boo Child" on Election Day. That'll keep their neuron and half each, occupied.
Now that I think about it though... then Mittens or Barry would have to come up with ideas which would actually solve something for the 94% (95 - 1 =).
Then they would be stumped. Fair markets and a pricing mechanism is the last thing they want. Their pals have their hands on the balance scales. If somebody makes them take their hands off of it... then everything gets fair real quick.
The last thing either of them want is "fair".
Unless you're giving Benny a rim job, you can thank Dr. Ron Paul for bringing a shit-ton more people to the anti-fed table and putting the word "LIBERTY" back in our collective vernacular.
I recall many familiar avatars exclaiming their disdain (for Benny) in previous threads...
IF he's controlled opposition (masonic master thespian) then you can rest assured that nothing short of civil (global?) war is what's for dinner.(this winter)
P.S. You are still arguing about the politics of corruption instead of the best path to remedy.
If you were content with this "bunch of stuff"™ representing US domestically and globally, you would not be here.
Unless, of course - YOU - are controlled opposition.
cheers
"The truth hurts."
So many don't want to hear it or recognize it.
One for you guys. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Macon
A close election is one for the pre-progammed electronic voting machines. The MSM will say iits "too close to call..."
Isn't there such a thing as "fiction fatigue?" If I can't stop the unending stream of bullshit, can't i just tune it out?
Goddamnit I love Ron Paul and ZH. Fuuuuuck the haters.
Ditto.
Please. Ron Paul. I thought maybe he could be the one. He is a fucking idiot. Have you actually heard him speak? He is a bullshit front man for the assholes. He either:
- Doesn't know it which makes him fucking extra stupid
- Knows it, which makes him a total fucking asshole
Ron Paul is doing nothing, NOTHING. He is a monestary on a hill shining a light - but there is fuck all in the building.
He is a being beautifully used for the stupid to garner some hope. Its all bullshit. All of it. The parties mean shit, the President means shit, every fucking movement that always gets co-opted means shit, our fake way of life means shit. We actaully need a serious reset. We are fucking banana republic but the majority don't know it and the rest don't give a shit because they are benefitting from it.
American the land of the cowards that are in bondage. As an aggregate we are fucking losers.
Hopefully when the shit actually really hits the fan, it will do so in a way that even to the ignorant masses it is clear where the faults lie.
jb
what finally got to me about rp. wasn't just the masonic/fake libertarian debate.... it's the nepotism! this man has more family members on the goernment dole than anyone else in congess. family man indeed.
Hey JB,
Lest you forget...
Ron Paul is a constitutionalist.Ron Paul has never voted to raise taxes.
Ron Paul has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
Ron Paul has never voted for the Iraq War.
Ron Paul has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
Ron Paul has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
Ron Paul has never voted to raise congressional pay.
Ron Paul has never taken a government-paid junket.
Ron Paul voted against the Patriot Act.
Ron Paul voted against regulating the Internet.
Ron Paul voted against NAFTA and CAFTA.
Ron Paul voted against the United Nations.
Ron Paul voted against the welfare state.
Ron Paul voted against reinstating a military draft.
Ron Paul voted to preserve the constitution.
Ron Paul voted to cut government spending.
Ron Paul voted to lower healthcare costs.
Ron Paul voted to end the war on drugs.
Ron Paul voted to protect civil liberties.
Ron Paul voted to secure our borders with real immigration reform.
Ron Paul voted to eliminate tax funded abortions and to overturn Roe v Wade.
Ron Paul voted to protect religious freedom. Ron Paul is NOT RACIST either.
“Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals . . . By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called “diversity” actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racists . . . we should understand that racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual liberty.”
-Ron Paul If you still think he is a "fucking idiot" after reading this list, I will suggest that you sir need to take a good long look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?" You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but not your own set of facts. Ron Paul's ACTIONS speak louder than any of your WORDS - D*****BAG!
Libertarian will drive the U.S. to an hyper-depression.Libertarianism is an utopia that can only work in a closed amish-like economy. Libertarian does not take into account technology, productivity or the earth capacity. The pursuit of a solution that will solve this crisis is chimerical.
Ron Paul isn't being used by anyone of anything. You really need to lighten up, Francis.
Obama follows the advice of his minions when they assure him that printing money is sound policy.
Romney has built his wealth from reckless debt expansion (aka private equity) for Bain Capital, and serves as his own echo chamber.
Ron Paul is the only one trying to pop all the bubble wrap.. but they keep printing even that faster than he can pop.
One of my favorite comments: Can't we have TWO parties instead of just ONE?
I do, too. But its very upsetting to those who have completely boughten into the two party system. Its even more upsetting to those who are pushing their own agenda and candidate as if there is a difference between Romney and Obama. You can see it all over this thread.
Please don't Write in Ron Paul he is not running anymore and has no Chance to win, unlike Gary Johnson. If Every Protest Vote was a Gary Johnson Vote, He could possibly pull an upset.
Everyone has to vote their conscience and best judgement. I know what you're saying, and I have some sympathy for the sentiment you express. Gary Johnson and Jill Stein are good candidates and I would have much rather seen a debate between those two than Biden and Ryan. Our only hope is that someday soon our presidential and vp debates will have three or more people in them. The push for that has to come from the people and the pressure has to be brought firstly on the MSM. Spine-breaking in terms of our one party system needs to start there and work our way up IMO. They're the most vunerable and the most easily threatened by boycotts or outrage.
RON PAUL!...Hey!, where are you?...
Why does any of this matter?
The U.S. economy would not have lasted had it not moved away from "hard money," and that was made possible because of free market capitalism.
Let me be the first to point out:
Mitt Romney is the Giant Douche to Obama's turd sandwich.
Vote or die SLAVES
Whoever can reintstate the US Constitution and Bill of Right as the supreme laws governing USA
needs to be presidet of US.
i hope this will not happen but i think that mr. Paul is going to get killed