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Israel Conducts Air Strike On Sudan Missile Base In 'Dry Run' For Iran Attack

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This past Wednesday, nobody reported that a squadron of 8 Israeli F-15 jets dropped 4 two-ton bombs on the giant Yarmouk missile factory on the outskirts of Sudan's capital Khartoum. Which is just as Israel wanted it. Because what otherwise would be a provocative incursion tantamount to war (if only Sudan wasn't a complete basket case of a country), was really nothing short of a dry-run for an Israeli attack on Iran. At least according to the Sunday Times. "A long-range Israeli bombing raid last week that was seen as a dry run for a forthcoming attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities has destroyed an Iranian-run plant making rockets and ballistic missiles in Sudan.... The raid, in which two people died, triggered panic across the city. Witnesses said they heard a series of loud blasts followed by the sound of ammunition exploding. “It was a double impact — the explosion at the factory and then the ammunition flying into the neighbourhood,” said Abd-al Ghadir Mohammed, 31, a resident. "The ground shook. Some homes were badly damaged." And... nobody cares. Here we leave it up to readers to imagine the epic horror, deep revulsion that would greet news that Iran had conducted a pre-emptive strike against Israel by blowing up a missile factory in Turkey, killing two innocent people, just to make sure it can.

A visual summary of the attack:

This is what was left of the Somali factory after the Israeli self-appointed (because national borders are for chumps) punishment force was done with it:

And the full post-mortem of the operation that took place 4 days ago, via Voice of Russia:

The attack occurred in the early morning of October 24, when eight Israeli F-15I jets – four of them carrying two one-ton bombs, escorted by four fighters – struck a gigantic Yamrouk missile site. The evidence is that this strike is a general rehearsal before the Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear facilities.

 

According to western defense sources, the 2,400-mile return flight took the Israelis four hours, with the jets flying south along the Red Sea. The planes entered the Sudanese air space from the east to avoid Egypt’s missile defenses.

 

The anti-Iranian operation kicked off two years ago when Mossad agents murdered a Palestinian businessman and a HAMAS highflyer, Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh, in a Dubai hotel suit, retrieving a suitcase with a military agreement between Iran and Sudan, wherein Khartoum offered Tehran its military sites to make weapons.

 

The Yamrouk facility produced Shahab ballistic missiles, which were then to be delivered to HAMAS rebels in the Gaza strip and other Middle Eastern regions.

In other words: add the Israeli invasion of Iran on the "To Do" list, alongside Grexit, the official Spanish bailout request, the Chinese Congress, the Japan-China territorial re-escalation, sliding down the Fiscal Cliff, and the debt ceiling breach, as soon as possible after the November 6 election.

And all that, of course, assuming Sky Net does not finally take over tomorrow when only robots will be left trading.

 

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Mon, 10/29/2012 - 02:03 | 2927012 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I asked nmewn why he sided with Israel. He replied that Fatah and Hamas had sparred with each other. It was his answer to the question. If you have a problem with it, take it up with him.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 03:41 | 2927093 RichardP
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I asked nmewn why he sided with Israel.

If you did, that post seems to have been removed.  The closest I could come was you asking nmewn why he didn't stand with America?  I see no place where nmewn states that he doesn't stand with America.  That seems to be an assumption on your part - which is what triggered my remarks.  And my issue is with you, for the reasons stated above, not nmewn.  You usually are better with your logic than you are tonight.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 11:19 | 2927792 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Are you trying to convince me or yourself that Israel's attacks on US servicemen and Palestinian Christians is good for Jesus and the USA?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 13:00 | 2928231 RichardP
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Crockett - you have demonstrated that you are quite bright.  You know exactly what I am trying to convince you of.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 13:30 | 2928325 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Well you know that's not going to happen. But I'm sure you'll meet a nice guy some day soon.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 06:57 | 2927175 my puppy for prez
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HAMAS IS CONTROLED OPPOSITION!

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 06:56 | 2927174 my puppy for prez
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You know nothing!  That's the intended purpose of Hamas!  It has been used and assisted BY ISRAEL and the western Zionists (and CIA) to be a thorn in Fatah's eye.  Mossad has great control of Hamas.  FACT!

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 08:53 | 2927388 shovelhead
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That 'Land for Peace' deal in Gaza really worked out well for the Israelis.

They should try that again with the West Bank.

Hezbollah can have lots of room for rockets over there.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:26 | 2926290 Bear
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So why do the Palestinians still insist that Israel (Zionist Regime) needs to be wiped off the face of the earth. Now, you may also believe this, but how does one 'partner in peace' with a Regime that promotes your demise as a result of peace negotiation?

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 23:34 | 2926459 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Israel is in the process of wiping the West Bank off the map. It's been happening right before your very eyes. So you obviously approve of map wiping. You just need to stop giving your allegiance to Israel which is guilty of killing more Westerners than the Palestinians ever have.

 

 

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 06:52 | 2927171 my puppy for prez
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Prove that they really said "wipe off the map".  You can't, b/c they didn't.  A purposefully inaccurate translation of Farsi.  Check it out!

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 18:52 | 2926071 ThePhysicist
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Kill them all, let Allah sort them out - virgins, no virgins...

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:00 | 2926094 knukles
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Rumor has it they're all STD infected trannies
Oppps. That got the SEC's attention!

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 18:52 | 2926072 terryfuckwit
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Poor old America..robama or oromney you still get yeti benji for commander in chief

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 18:53 | 2926073 Coldfire
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Usrael.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 18:54 | 2926075 Ineverslice
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We came, we saw, they died.

...now back to football you scumbags.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:01 | 2926095 MsCreant
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Baseball silly.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:01 | 2926098 MsCreant
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Nobody knew.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:11 | 2926120 news printer
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It's simply a reprint; there is no way to report it as a first source,

U always will be second, third after some big ballbag agency; u name it.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 18:59 | 2926088 Peter Pan
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There is no doubt that blood will always be mankins's favourite drink.
All the unsavoury characters from warring sides need to be put into a sealed room and have one from each side shot every twenty hours until agreement is reached.

I can never forget my revulsion I felt when Adams and Paisley were smiling for the cameras and shaking hands when the peace deal was done in Ireland. Yes they were there, but the innocent victims of their enduring hatred unfortunately could not enjoy the peace that was finally agreed to. Those two survived as no doubt Netenyahu and Ahmadinajed will.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:27 | 2926156 The Gooch
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Party in Denver!

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:02 | 2926228 CrockettAlmanac.com
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There is no doubt that blood will always be mankins's favourite drink.

 

That's what the war profiteers want you to think. You can stop buying it any time you want.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:48 | 2926349 willwork4food
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Excellent Crockett. May I refine-

Its the favorite drink of the people who make money on war, and their paid shills in governments.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 21:16 | 2926399 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Feel free. I hope you won't mind if I mix a drink of my own in the meantime. Prosit!

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:00 | 2926093 max2205
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Practice makes perfect

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:03 | 2926100 knukles
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Why can't we all just get along

(humming Kumbayah....la la la la horseshit)

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:55 | 2926204 hairball48
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ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:03 | 2926229 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Actually it's a legitimate question.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:01 | 2926097 Van Halen
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Another horror is a sitting US president leaving an ambassador and three others to die so his re-election chances won't be damaged.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:07 | 2926105 Body of Lies
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He will have more 'flexibility' after then election

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:18 | 2926259 ZeroAvatar
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Mitt Romulan will certainly have his hands full.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:45 | 2926191 nmewn
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And it wasn't even a 3:00 AM call...he watched it live...yawned...and went to bed.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:41 | 2926332 Body of Lies
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He did have to get plenty of sleep for his big gig in Vegas the next day.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:56 | 2926365 nmewn
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Its the important things that count for O'Barry...fundraising is more important than his countrymens lives.

A true narcissist.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 23:00 | 2926370 willwork4food
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Kind of like Bush needed those several months down on the farm to rest up just before he had to play his acting role for the 911 false flag, the PNAC and the My Pet Goat publishers? 

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:03 | 2926099 caustixoid
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From the overfly route it looks like the Saudis and Egyptians waved and threw flowers as the attack squadron flew by...

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:06 | 2926103 knukles
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Oh it's OK, they're circumcised, too!

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:07 | 2926106 Hannibal
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FUCK the Zionist and Fuck Israel!

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:09 | 2926115 samsara
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"And... nobody cares. Here we leave it up to readers to imagine the epic horror, deep revulsion that would greet news that Iran had conducted a pre-emptive strike against Israel by blowing up a missile factory in Turkey, killing two innocent people, just to make sure it can."

And that I think captures the reality we have. Why isn't any MSM news outlet running a story pointing that out?

I don't Know......

In other news, CNBC's News editor's children were savagely murdered and the nanny's throat & wrists were slashed. Ironically hours after that station ran a story that was later pulled about the corruption big banks and others and 14 trillion dollars ....

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:13 | 2926123 game theory
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Is the author of this article asking us to believe that second picture really is the post-blast picture? Really? Seriously? It takes approximately 5 seconds of thinking (or common sense) to realize that this is unlikely, and then another 15 seconds on the internet to further suggest this is not probable. 

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:23 | 2926147 Tyler Durden
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Well, not the "author." DigitalGlobe, the Satellilte Sentinel Project and the Associated Press do. Naturally you are welcome to "think for 5 seconds" and convince yourself otherwise.

From AP:

The images released by the Satellite Sentinel Project to the Associated Press on Saturday showed six 52-foot wide craters near the epicenter of Wednesday’s explosion at the compound.

 

Military experts consulted by the project found the craters to be “consistent with large impact craters created by air-delivered munitions, Satellite Sentinel Project spokesman Jonathan Hutson told the AP.

 

The target may have been around 40 shipping containers seen at the site in earlier images. The group said the craters center on the area where the containers had been stacked. It did not comment on the allegations of Israeli involvement or who might be behind the strikes.

 

Jonah Leff, who monitors Sudan for the Geneva-based Small Arms Survey and was not connected to the project, reviewed the images on Saturday and agreed with the group’s assessment.

 

Israeli officials have neither confirmed nor denied striking the site. Instead, they accused Sudan of playing a role in an Iranian-backed network of arms shipments to Hamas and Hezbollah. Israel believes Sudan is a key transit point in the circuitous route that weapons take to the Islamic militant groups in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon.

 

Sudan was a major hub for al-Qaida militants and remains a transit for weapon smugglers and African migrant traffickers. Israeli officials believe arms that originate in the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas go through Sudan before crossing Egypt’s lawless Sinai desert and into Gaza through underground tunnels.

 

The Satellite Sentinel Project is a partnership between the Enough Project, a Washington-based anti-genocide advocacy group and DigitalGlobe, which operates three commercial satellites and provides geospatial analysis. The project was founded last year with support from actor George Clooney, and in the past has used satellite images to monitor the destruction of villages by Sudanese troops in the country’s multiple war zones.

This satellite picture released by DigitalGlobe shows Yarmouk military manufacturing facility Khartoum Oct. 26 two days after blasts factory which

This satellite picture released by DigitalGlobe shows the Yarmouk military manufacturing facility in Khartoum on Oct. 26, two days after blasts at the factory, which the Sudanese government blamed on an Israeli airstrike. | AFP photo/DigitalGlobe

The Yarmouk military complex Khartoum Sudan is seen satellite image made Oct. 12 before alleged attack. A U.S. monitoring group

The Yarmouk military complex in Khartoum, Sudan, is seen in a satellite image made on Oct. 12, before the alleged attack. A U.S. monitoring group says satellite images suggest the site was hit by an airstrike. | AP Photo/ DigitalGlobe via Satellite Sent

The Yarmouk military complex Khartoum Sudan is seen satellite image made Oct. 25 after alleged attack. A U.S. monitoring group

The Yarmouk military complex in Khartoum, Sudan, is seen in a satellite image made on Oct. 25, after the alleged attack. A U.S. monitoring group says satellite images suggest the site was hit by an airstrike. | AP Photo/ DigitalGlobe

 This combo two satellite pictures released by DigitalGlobe shows Yarmouk military manufacturing facility Khartoum Oct. 12 (left) Oct. 26 (right)

This combo of two satellite pictures released by DigitalGlobe shows the Yarmouk military manufacturing facility in Khartoum on Oct. 12 (left) and on and on Oct. 26 (right), two days after blasts at the factory. | AFP photo/DigitalGlobe/AFP/Getty Images

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:30 | 2926160 samsara
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Win

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:21 | 2926268 ZeroAvatar
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See, Jackass?  Now you've made Tylers' shit list!

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:34 | 2926312 game theory
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Tyler (haha...hard to type that...knowing there's a real name behind the pseudonym)...sorry if my remarks were impolite...but something is WAY off about these images. I don't disbelieve the attack story...I thought if hard to believe satellite images would be available to news outlets so quickly.  I went to the AP link (goes to the Chicago Sun-Times) and the images don't look like thousand ton bomb strikes. I guess I was surprised that Digital Globe would release footage of Khartoum just days after acquisition. Moreover, I went to http://www.satsentinel.org and anyone can look at the report...I don't know if this link will paste right...but I looked at it: http://www.satsentinel.org/sites/default/files/SSP%20report%20Explosions%20_in_Khartoum_102712.pdf

Seriously...something is WAY off. Like tungsten-in-gold kind of "off".  You know what I mean? None of the impact craters are real.  And you can find enough satellite data online to convince yourself that the imagery isn't right.  Is satsentinel legit?  

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 21:17 | 2926405 game theory
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Seriously...stories like this are what really give me pause....because when you dig a little, shit gets messed up fast. Like how many days before this story did DGI (digital globe) get an award? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/digitalglobe-recognized-humanitarian-efforts-sudans-123100462.html .......

So now days later Israel takes out a site in the same area and DGI supposedly releases some imagery relevant to the story to a site they specifically call out only days before? 

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:28 | 2926158 Matt
Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:41 | 2926185 jonjon831983
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Wait... portables? tractor trailers...???

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMhU5cST28s

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:21 | 2926137 knukles
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The Samoli girls are hip
I really dig the burqas they wear....

Know how you tell a rich Samolian?
They wear their Rolex around their waist

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:39 | 2926179 Ineverslice
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Ok, ur done...

u ain't gonna top that one, so better to leave on top, George Castanza.

...around their waist.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:22 | 2926141 Joebloinvestor
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That's because Iran is the "bad guy".

 

Their leaders are pretty fucked up, you have to admit.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:23 | 2926145 Toobigtofoil
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Apparently Israel has nothing to fear from the Islamic military machine. As the leader of Al-Shabaab said painting another Star of David on the head of a Shebab missile: "Relax, we are just peace and truth-loving Muslims, and whatever Mr. Ahmadinejad said about Israel, he didnt mean literally."

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:14 | 2926252 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The US/Israel axis has killed far more Muslims than vice versa. So just who is it that has a military machine? The US has been firing missiles at other countries every day for the past decade. Who has Iran bombed lately?

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:31 | 2926306 nmewn
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You know as well as everyone else that Iran supplies Hezbollah. They slaughtered their own people in Iran before setting up camp in Lebanon to chunk rocks & missles over the border into Israel.

We're not ignorant here at the Hedge Crockett, come on.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:33 | 2926311 a growing concern
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Aha!  You're southern!  You said "chunk" to refer to the act of throwing something as opposed to "chuck".  (Don't worry though, I say "chunk" also and get made fun of by my wife.)

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:42 | 2926336 nmewn
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I am...proudly so. And I love grits ;-)

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:43 | 2926338 ArrestBobRubin
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You know less than nothing about Iran. Please stop making an ass of yourself in public.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:51 | 2926355 nmewn
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You dispute Hezbollah is a proxy military and government force in Lebanon for the Iranian government?

Really?

I invite you to come, make an ass of me spud.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 21:03 | 2926377 willwork4food
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Now boys, let's all go outside and have a nice friendly beer. Yea, you too Tex.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 21:05 | 2926379 ArrestBobRubin
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You need no assistance from me, you're doing a splendid job on your own.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 21:10 | 2926386 nmewn
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So, you ain't got nuthin to back up your mouth...move along then...and thanks for playin.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 22:31 | 2926627 ArrestBobRubin
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There's no gain in trying to reason with a foolish Jew's monkey. The effort would be wasted.

But don't say I didn't try to stop you from proving your status so convincingly here tonight.

Want a banana?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 01:59 | 2927016 RichardP
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There's no gain in trying to reason with ...

Arrest - no one asked you to reason.  They asked you to provide proof to back up your previous assertion about nmewn, wherein you asserted - You know less than nothing about Iran.

Your failure to back up your assertion leaves your comment irrelevant.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 06:12 | 2927149 nmewn
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ArrestBobRubin's mouth was moving like he wanted to say something but nothing was actually coming out and Crockett was complaining about goal posts moving as he carted them off the field...lol.

He went from bombings to sanctions in the blink of an eye.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 11:13 | 2927878 CrockettAlmanac.com
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You are invited to compare all deaths by all causes in regard to US verses Iranian aggression. You have provided no documentation whatsoever while I have. Why not come up with some facts to support your position rather than complain about the documented evidence which I have presented?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 13:13 | 2928264 RichardP
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The subject is not the total number of casualties caused by either side.  The subject is whether Iran provides support and resources for those who would destroy the Zionist regime.  Iran does provide such support, and therefore must be defended against by those who support Zionism - even if the U.S. has killed multiple times more "enemies" than Iran has.  The two issues are not related.  But you know that.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 13:38 | 2928336 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The Zionist regime provides support for those who would destroy anyone who stands in their way including Iranians, Palestinians, Americans and Brits. Simply declaring discussion of that fact off limits doesn't change reality. But you know that.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:31 | 2929236 nmewn
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"You have provided no documentation whatsoever while I have."

I saw no documentation of yours. I saw an assertion that the US "confirms" X amount of children. Put it here if you have it.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 12:05 | 2928036 blunderdog
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Hezbollah and Iran are allies, but Hezbollah is NOT an Iranian proxy.

They all look the same to you, right?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 18:19 | 2929199 nmewn
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Who gives money & weapons to Hezbollah? Iran & Syria isn't it? An ally is quid pro quo. All Hezbollah can give back to Iran is its childrens blood.

"They all look the same to you, right?"

Its red and all blood looks the same to me. Thats gotta be the lamest fucking thing you've ever tried BD.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 21:26 | 2926419 CrockettAlmanac.com
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You know as well as everyone else that Iran supplies Hezbollah. They slaughtered their own people in Iran before setting up camp in Lebanon to chunk rocks & missles over the border into Israel.

We're not ignorant here at the Hedge Crockett, come on.

 

I asked who has Iran bombed lately as compared to the US and Israel. We could start counting all those killed by US proxies and compare that to Hezbollah if you like. Or you could stop moving the goal posts.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 21:48 | 2926474 nmewn
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Lately, is the contextual word you used isn't it?

It can ommit or include. And by bombed, do you mean from aircraft or assassinations or IED's? In Russia, Turkey, Syria, Kurd areas, where exactly?

I'm more than happy to set the goal posts if you are.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 22:18 | 2926535 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The US admits that sanctions killed a half million Iraqi children five years old or younger. Then there's the John Hopkins study that put the Iraq War death toll at 650,000 between 2003 and 2006 all in pursuit of imaginary WMD.

Can you provide a documented tally of casualties caused by Iran that comes anywhere close?

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 23:10 | 2926756 TBT or not TBT
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You mean the UN sanctions, the food for oil program, denounced by the US?

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 23:23 | 2926793 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I mean the sanctions imposed by the UN at the behest of the United States during which a half million children five years old or younger died because policy makers such as US Secretary of State Madeline Albright said it was "worth it." They openly admit killing these children and claim they did the right thing but you're still trying to pretend they didn't.

 

The price is worth it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbIX1CP9qr4

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 02:19 | 2927026 RichardP
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you're still trying to pretend they didn't.

No, Crockett.  You are changing the subject.  The subject is not what atrocities the west has committed.  The subject is you claiming that Iran is innocent.  Iran is not innocent - even if they have not attacked another country in x-number of years.  (The West is not innocent either, but that is not the subject of the discussion.)

Iran's leaders have been quoted in the news that they stand ready to assist anyone in their effort to destroy the Zionist government.  I've provided links to these articles before; I won't do so now.  Iran, by it's own admission, is actively supporting those who would overthrow the Zionist government.  Because Iran has much resources (money and knowledge), any effort to stop agression against the Zionists must necessarily include dealing with Iran's support of those who would destroy the Zionists.

This is not going to be an issue of who is right and who is wrong (moral issue).  This is going to be an instance of who is strongest (resources issue).  If some of the interpretations of the Bible are correct, Israel is going to have it's ass handed to it - up to the point of losing Jerusalem.  That suggests that the Persian coalition will prevail in the realm of resources.  However, according to the interpretations of the Bible, God will show his power by rescuing Israel at the last minute - so that the world knows it is God, and not Israeli (and U.S.?) might, that saves Israel.

We could be in for an interesting show.  Or not.  What do I know.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 03:12 | 2927075 CrockettAlmanac.com
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If you think I changed the subject then you haven't read the thread. Toobigtofoil suggested that Israel is the victim of an Iranian war machine. I pointed out that it is the US and Israeli war machine which has been responsible for over a million documented deaths in the region and asked those who fear Iran to present any evidence that their so called war machine was any match in draining the blood of innocents. So far no one has presented a figure. I realize that it disappoints you to not be able to tar Iran as the regional aggressor with actual documented facts rather than sly innuendo but that is the role you have chosen.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 03:18 | 2927079 RichardP
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Crockett, I was commenting on your response to nmewn, not Toobigtofoil.  The fact remains, Iran is not innocent.  You keep dodging that point by pointing to the atrocities of the West.  The atrocities of the West do not make Iran innocent.  Both A and B can be true in this case, not just one or the other.

I realize that it disappoints you to not be able to tar Iran as the regional aggressor with actual documented facts rather than sly innuendo ...

The leadership of Iran has recently, and publicly, stated they will help anyone in their effort to destroy the Zionist regime.  That makes them the aggressor.  And that is not sly innuendo is it Crockett?  It is a statement of fact, from the mouth of the leadership in Iran. 

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 05:26 | 2927124 Tortuga
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Great riposte's Richard. Your're wasting your breath though. The jooooooooooooo haters got all day to spew their hatred, they don't have no jobs, no futures, no morality, no logic, no ethic, no principle,nothing but hate. Change is coming. The cowboy is grooming now to grant their wish for the 12th iman.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 11:03 | 2927814 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The Israelis are glad to accept your help in removing the last remaining Palestinian Christians. Keep on worshiping the Israelis and throwing your fellow countrymen and co-coreligionist under the bus. Just remember, "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers you do unto me."

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 12:06 | 2928037 blunderdog
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     The leadership of Iran has recently, and publicly, stated they will help anyone in their effort to destroy the Zionist regime.

Source that quote, please.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 13:22 | 2928297 RichardP
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I stated above that I have sourced that quote a number of times in other threads here and I will not source it now.  If you are adept at Googling, you should be able to bring up the articles on your own.  These statements were made maybe within the last 6 months and were noteworthy because it was the first time that Iran's leadership had publicly admitted to what everyone suspected.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 13:42 | 2928347 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Lazy, Richard, just plain intellectuially lazy. If you have time to type a quote you have time to cite it properly.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 05:19 | 2927123 Tortuga
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More than likely, the Iranian govt bombed it's own people. In a closed society with law by thug, who will ever know. Change is coming. The cowboy is grooming now to bring the 12th iman.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 11:00 | 2927834 CrockettAlmanac.com
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It's must be nice to base one's world view on things made up on the fly rather than documented facts. Wouldn't want to break a sweat with any heavy thinking.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 05:17 | 2927122 Tortuga
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The Arab/Palestinian axis has killed far more muslims than anybodies military machine. There, fixed it for you.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 11:02 | 2927837 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Where's you documentation?

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:24 | 2926149 tahoebumsmith
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So their calling Sandy the perfect storm? I beg to differ, the storm that has been building globally is about to make Sandy look like a mere afternoon shower... Can we make 10 more days before the chaos begins? That is the only question I have at this point.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:30 | 2926162 caustixoid
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Hey wait.  Maybe those nefarious Sudanese were trying to make aspirin and antibiotics again.  Did Bibi screw an intern or something?

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:31 | 2926164 blunderdog
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How convincing.  Bomb the Sudan, which is easily accessible because of the ability to refuel over the Red Sea, and use that as "proof" they're going into Iran next.

Yeah right, guys.  Any day now, for sure.  This time we know you're really serious for real.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:35 | 2926170 Jesus Christ
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Taken from the ZH article above:

                     The Yamrouk facility produced Shahab ballistic missiles, which were then to be delivered to HAMAS rebels in the Gaza strip and other Middle Eastern regions.

From the tone of this ZH article, I guess this means the the incessant rocket attacks by Hamas against Israel, which are also NOTpublished in the mainstream media, are not sufficient cause for Israel to defend itself.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:41 | 2926184 Tyler Durden
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The AP and Google really are your friends. From Associated Press, October 24 (just the latest of many more):

Gaza militants blast southern Israel with rockets, drawing airstrikes, threats of retaliation

 

Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip fired dozens of rockets and mortar shells into southern Israel on Wednesday in the heaviest bombardment on the area in months, drawing ominous Israeli threats of retaliation and dangers of escalation.

 

Israel responded with a series of airstrikes on rocket launchers, killing two Palestinian militants, according to Gaza medical officials. Two other Palestinians were killed Tuesday.

 

Three Thai laborers working on an Israeli farm were wounded, two seriously, when a rocket hit a chicken coop. Other rockets badly damaged five houses and broke car windows. Schools in the area were closed.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:16 | 2926258 monkeyboy
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Three Thai laborers working on an Israeli farm were wounded, two seriously, when a rocket hit a chicken coop. Other rockets badly damaged five houses and broke car windows. Schools in the area were closed.

 

God damnit! I'm going to Phuket next month, sure gonna be pissed if Thailand get dragged into this war thing.

 

 

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:26 | 2926288 news printer
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Do U know that Free Syrian Army clashed with Kurd fighters in Syria;

if not check my site; In my op it's a huge brekin news

Kurds clash with Free Syrian Army
Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:52 | 2926356 m_kay
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So, they weren`t just making sure that they can. I also don`t see why Iran should bomb something in friendly Turkey. But they have been and are shooting at Israel via their proxies Hamas and Hizbollah. Some numbers re: rockets from Gaza:

www.idfblog.com/facts-figures/rocket-attacks-toward-israel/

 

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 23:55 | 2926867 Jesus Christ
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Touche, Tyler.  However, your response has amply proven that Israel has a right to defend itself.  Why is a nation the size of a postage stamp so threatening to everyone?  You guys have as much understanding of Biblical Prophecy as Krugman does of economics. 

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 12:04 | 2928033 blunderdog
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    Why is a nation the size of a postage stamp so threatening to everyone?

They have nukes and they threaten to attack their neighbors.  Constantly.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:29 | 2926293 mayavision2012
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It is recorded that Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon religion, discovered a set of “golden plates” on September 22, 1823 in Manchester, New York, which were consequently translated by Smith with the help of “God”. Smith asserted that he received these golden plates from the angel Moroni and received “written commandments in the voice of God”.

Although perhaps Joseph Smith was not told by “God” that the Mormon homeland was to be New York, just imagine what native New Yorkers would do in the event an extremist ilk did invade New York and force a Mormon State, pushing all the resident New Yorkers into controlled areas, killing them slowly with lack of adequate food, medicine, and supplies while bombarding them every so often en masse to keep them in submission—for decades?
They would be tossing rockets and creating havoc to undo such an injustice, too

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:37 | 2926320 JR
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First, the Mainstream Media does report every single rocket attack, but from the Israeli viewpoint; often minus the explanations that it was in response to Israeli aggression.

Second, it’s become a puzzle for the world on just why enemies of Israel seem constantly to multiply and why this aggressive nation armed with military might far beyond all of the resources of the Middle East combined, needs as well the world’s superpower, the United States, to constantly veto the world’s resolutions which might keep Israel in check - or to come to tiny Israel’s aid if one of its many enemies happens to shoot back.

And now the American people must be sacrificed for the greater glory of Israel as their nation, once the shining beacon upon the hill, becomes the world’s pariah as fitting its lockstep in war with Israel.

Welcome to the Age of Hell: Entrenching Murder as the American Way by Chris Floyd   

The Washington Post has just laid out, in horrifying, soul-slaughtering detail, the Obama Administration's ongoing effort to expand, entrench and "codify" the practice of murder and terrorism by the United States government. The avowed, deliberate intent of these sinister machinations is to embed the use of death squads and drone terror attacks into the policy apparatus of future administrations, so that the killing of human beings outside all pretense of legal process will go on, year after year after year, even when the Nobel Peace Laureate has left office.

They have even come up with a new euphemism for state murder: "disposition." The new "counterterrorism matrix" is "designed to go beyond existing kill lists, mapping plans for the 'disposition' of suspects beyond the reach of American drones," the Post reports.

In other words, it involves expanding and varying the menu of arbitrary murder, mixing the blunderbuss of drone blasts and night raids with more selective "bullet-in-the-brain," "bomb-in-the-car-engine," "polonium-in-the-pea-soup," and "doping-and-defenestration" approaches. Arbitrary murder by unaccountable elites and their spies, paid for by money taken from ordinary citizens who have no say in and no knowledge of what is being done in their names (and who will be the victims of the inevitable blowback from the state terror and murder campaign): this is now being "codified," officially, formally, as the American way…

http://chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/2291-welcome-to-the-age-of-hell-entrenching-murder-as-the-american-way.html

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 21:15 | 2926398 AllWorkedUp
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Excellent post

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 09:15 | 2927461 shovelhead
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Indeed,

the purple prose goes nicely with the drapes.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 21:29 | 2926406 epwpixieq-1
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As much right, for example, as Syria would have to attack US, if Turkey were to bomb its territory with US made weapons.

In addition to that logic thread, Jews would have to kill Jews, because the Nazis used the poisonous gas, in the gas chambers of the concentration camps, made by Fritz Haber (a German Jew http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Haber).

The nice thing about logic ( to put it in a more human terms ) is that it does not care, what is right or wrong, it has out its own laws, and fallows them without remorse, painstakingly.

So ones you go down this path, do not stop at the middle of the road, you have to walk it all the way.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 23:14 | 2926772 TBT or not TBT
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You were talking about "right"   Seriously?

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:39 | 2926173 ekm
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In my opinion this has been the goal all along since Nov 2011 when Europe banking froze and the Fed and ECB came up with the swaps.

 

A collapse is not only inevitable but it is cathartic as well. But there is only thing important: WHO IS GOING TO BE BLAMED FOR IT?

 

That's why everything is being piled up so that US and Euro politicians would not be blamed and blame everything on "fat tail" events, that are basically not fat tail at all.

 

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 19:43 | 2926186 foxmuldar
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I like it. First off If somalia think they could continue to make Missles for Iran without Israel taking action, their just as dumb as ahmadinejad. And if anyone complains they can always blame it on a video.  Instead of worrying what the Israelis are doing, you should be more concerned over the coverup that got four americans dead. Obama will reward the Somalis by bringing thousands more of them here to America so they can be bussed to the poles to vote for his sorry ass. 

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 01:41 | 2926996 my puppy for prez
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Have you not figured out that, as through all recent administrations, the Administration was covering for the dumbass CIA who is HEAVILY involved in running weapons into Syria for the rebels?  This op went bad, and bullshit had to be spewed.  Obama is not making ANY decisions here...he takes his orders like a good boy, and lets the CIA do what it has always done...be a global crime syndicate for the NWO, where up is down and black is white.  Blowback sucks....and Stevens was heavily involved in this coordinated effort.  It is tragic that he and the others died, but gunrunning is a dangerous exercise, and blowback happens.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:02 | 2926224 JR
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It’s only practice, just adding fatalities to the long list of dead at the hands of the aggressive Israeli state.

But it’s a mistake to call it a “dry run” because defenseless, innocent targets are not the same as targets that shoot back.

So, the escapade only has propaganda value and practically no useful training for the Israeli strike force.

Once again, however, the world is reminded that there is only one power in the Middle East. And that’s the United States being dramatized, of course, by the U.S. Taxpayer-paid Israeli Air Force.

Israel killed people and destroyed another nation’s facility because it “can” and it’s a presidential election, of course. Neither Romney nor Obama would dare say a word unless it’s a word in support for the incredible bravery of Israeli jet fighter pilots dropping bombs when they know there is no personal danger to themselves.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 03:20 | 2927050 RichardP
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But it’s a mistake to call it a “dry run” ... the escapade only has propaganda value ...

The bombing was not a dry run, nor was propoganda value its only usefullness.  The bombing destroyed weapons that were intended to be fired into Israel.  This destruction reduces the need for Israel to fire back into Gaza in response to these weapons being fired at them.  That is a good thing.

... defenseless, innocent targets are not the same as targets that shoot back.

The Sudanese radar failed before the attack began.  We can assume something similar would happen in Iran.  It is difficult to shoot back when you can't "see" your targets.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 10:37 | 2927736 JR
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...The bombing destroyed weapons that were intended to be fired into Israel.

Okay, so it’s weapons against weapons, with the largest stock pile of military hardware and military expertise in the Middle East backed by the world’s largest superpower and, now, we have your word that those weapons were intended for Israel.

Fortunately, we don’t have to depend on your word since Israel has already acted to murder people in a sovereign country like they and their patrons, the U.S., have been doing throughout the region for more than a decade.

...It is difficult to shoot back when you can't "see" your targets.

The same is true for a mugger attacking an elderly woman on the streets at night. It’s difficult for her, too, to protect herself in the dark.

And they dare to tell us they are the chosen people.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:10 | 2926236 the not so migh...
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If i was man of means i would have equiped the Sudanise with some shoulder mounted particle beam cannons to shoot the fuckers out of the sky.  I am sure it would have made the headlines then.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 02:30 | 2927043 RichardP
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The radar was shut down before the aircraft arrived.  The aircraft were there and gone before the Sudanese knew they had arrived.  Kind of hard to shoot mounted particle beam cannons accurately under those conditions.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:21 | 2926267 foxmuldar
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just another possibility. Obama loses and launches a nuclear attack on Iran. He's liable to do anything to remain in office. 

 

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:33 | 2926308 orangegeek
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Israel is just doing some beta testing on new American weapons technology.  No news here.  Run along anyone/everyone.  Like the bully in school, it was sure good to be friends with him rather than being on the other side.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:40 | 2926327 Zero Govt
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"Israel Conducts Air Strike On Sudan Missile Base In 'Dry Run' For Iran Attack"

attacking Iran with zero WMD on pure hyper-speculation is an even more monstrous mistake than attacking Iraq for WMD (oh, there is none) ...if Isreal does the attacking it's a 2nd monsterous mistake

80 miserable years on how's Isreals thug foreign policy coming along with Palestine?

Go on Isreal, give the Arab Spring turbochargers ...you reep what you sow

 

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:44 | 2926341 ShrNfr
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Better than the Caliphate's thug policy with anyone who was not Muslim thanks.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:56 | 2926363 Zero Govt
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going swimmingly isn't it?

wonder if being a thug Govt raises the thugs in the abused society ..British Govt and the IRA ...isreali Govt and PLO ...something like violence begets violence

has that flown right over your head a 2nd time?

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:44 | 2926339 surf0766
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"This past Wednesday, nobody reported that a squadron of 8 Israeli F-15 jets dropped 4 two-ton bombs on the giant Yarmouk missile factory on the outskirts of Sudan's capital Khartoum"

 

That statement is a lie

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:47 | 2926346 ShrNfr
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Yep. I read Al Jeez every day. This one is from 10/25 http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/10/20121024142531802810.html

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:56 | 2926367 surf0766
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I believe it was on the front of drudge the day it happened.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 20:49 | 2926348 Jack Burton
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Hey! This will light your fire! Israel claims that four GRAD rockets from the Gaza strip were fired at their nuclear plane at Dimona! Only just over forty miles as the crow flys from Gaza border. Israel says the rockets landed in fields outside the town. They also claim the drone aircraft that overflew Dimona took pictures of the site that were used to aid targeting by the GRAD rockets.

One can guess that Israel is now going to come back hard on the Gaza strip. Israel claims Gaza is now an Iranian outpost used by Iranian military as a second front against Israel. Hezbolla in southern Lebanon being the other front in Iran's war against Israel.

To read this properly, one must assume Israel would not speak of Iranian fronts in Gaza and Lebanon unless Israel now considers this to be a low grade war with Iran. Only a matter of time before Iran itself is hit. Iran would have been bombed long ago but for Iran's suspected ability to launch a missile war against Israel proper.

Israel like the USA usually chooses nations to attack who have NO ability to fight back. Iran has only escaped bombing and invasion because of fears that they have an ability to fight back.

Stay tuned, Israel is waiting for a Romney victory and the US military to lauch all out war on Iran so that the USA does Israel's fighting.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 21:02 | 2926375 ludwig_von_mises
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Gee, Iran says it wants to wip eisrael off the map, yet israel is the instigator?

Missiles from the Hhartoum plant fired from gaza at cvilians in Israel? Isael takes out the source  , yet Israel is the instigator?

 

Unbelivably stupid logic (and i mean you Jack Burton) by the usual yahoos who see a zionist conspiracy everywhere.

You probably also ascribe to the theory that a woman who gets raped asked for it. Instead of condemning the agressor you condemn theINTENDED victim for being able to defend itself. 

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 21:23 | 2926416 Jack Burton
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Do you lack reading comprehension? Or do you always put words in people's mouths, call them names and then ask them to defend the terms you set for someone else's opinions?

"Probably ascribe". That sir is a conditional clause. It is conditioned upon the idea that YOU know what I think. You possess rare powers my friend?

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 21:59 | 2926442 Zero Govt
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Ludwig, "..a woman who gets raped asked for it. Instead of condemning the agressor you condemn the INTENDED victim .."

I think occupying others land, stealing other peoples land, farming others land, building on others land and the daily oppression with over 500 military check-ponts on others land is rather inviting some people to get very pissed off and retaliate

when Saddam invaded Kuwait the West jumped to their defence, rightfully so

Iran is building nuclear plants, Isreal already has them as well as nuclear weapons (WMD), built, armed and concealed by the West for decades

the hypocracy around the globe is so thick only sociopathic cretins could think they have any right to mount a high horse. We need to ramp down the posturing, kick out the lunatics of Govt and let people get on with their lives peacefully ...you're not helping much

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 02:50 | 2927060 RichardP
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... is rather inviting some people to get very pissed off and retaliate ...

Zero, I think you are more informed than that.  You know your history.  You know the defense has come because of the attacks - rather than the attacks being inspired by the defense.  The Arabs have been attacking the Zionists from the begining.  That is the reality and the history.  You know that.


Mon, 10/29/2012 - 09:15 | 2927458 Ox
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Richard, your doublespeak astounds me.

 

When Israel bombs other sovereign nations, it is 'defense'. When Gaza militants bomb the Israelis occupying their homeland it is not defense?

 

"The Arabs have been attacking the Zionists from the begining." Right, because when an Arab tries to defend the sovereignty of his homeland, it is an attack - I forgot we were playing that game.

 

If you hold both parties to the same standard, you won't come across like a shill.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 13:47 | 2928346 RichardP
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Israel doesn't bomb other nations.  Israel bombs weapons sites or weapons manufacturing sites that exist in other nations.  When Israel destroys weapons that are intended for use against Israel, that is self-defense.  One cannot say the same about the purpose behind the Palistinian missle attacks on Israel.

As for your other comment:  when Arabs try to defend sovereignty over land given to the Zionists by the U.N., that is indeed attacking.  When you are outside, trying to get inside, that is called attacking - not defending.  The Arabs are outside of the land that the U.N. gave for the Nation of Israel, trying to get back in.  Israel was not trying to get back inside of Iraq, Syria, or Sudan and take over those countries when they destroyed weapons systems intended to be used against Israel.  And JR, you too know that.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 11:08 | 2927864 JR
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Ah, yes, Israeli doublespeak. Was it not a British Zionist who dismissed Palestine as "The land without people--for the people without land" to justify Israeli occupation?

Chris Hedges, in Empire of Illusion, laments: “I spent two decades as a foreign correspondent in Latin America, Africa, the Middle East, and the Balkans. I saw there the crimes and injustices committed in our name and often with our support, whether during the contra war in Nicaragua or the brutalization of the Palestinians by Israeli occupation forces. We had much to atone for, but still there was also much that was good, decent, and honorable in our country.

“The country I live in today uses the same civic, patriotic, and historical language to describe itself, the same symbols and iconography, the same national myths, but only the shell remains. The America we celebrate is an illusion. America, the country of my birth, the country that formed and shaped me, the country of my father, my father's father, and his father's father, stretching back to the generations of my family that were here for the country's founding, is so diminished as to be unrecognizable. I do not know if this America will return, even as I pray and work and strive for its return.” 

 It was the British in Versailles that took the campaign of the Zionists to push Palestinians out of Palestine and insert a Jewish nation that could provide dual citizenship for Jews no matter which home country they occupied.  Israeli forces displaced some 700,000 Palestinians, forcing them to flee to differing neighboring countries.

PressTV reports: “The soldiers wiped nearly 500 Palestinian villages and towns off the map, leaving an estimated total of 4.7 million Palestinian refugees dreaming of an eventual return to their homeland more than six decades later.

Palestinians refer to May 15, 1948, as the “Nakba Day” or catastrophe. 

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 13:50 | 2928374 RichardP
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Israeli forces displaced some 700,000 Palestinians, forcing them to flee to differing neighboring countries.

And approximately 850,000 Jewish folks were expelled from Arab lands at the same time - and their land and belongings confiscated.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 14:54 | 2928589 JR
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Because of the Zionist movement among them, the Jews have been banished from 47+ different countries within the past 1,000 years due to an aggressive, clannish, parasitic character that disrupts nation-states.

Much of the information on these movements is hopelessly submerged in propaganda and revisionist history. There have been denials of the “holocaust” and even to question the numbers has been made illegal in some countries. In the meantime, the worldwide Zionist movement uses figures in the multiple millions who perished prior and during WWII. Interestingly enough, the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum publishes the following:

“By September 1939, approximately 282,000 Jews had left Germany and 117,000 from annexed Austria. Of these, some 95,000 emigrated to the United States, 60,000 to Palestine, 40,000 to Great Britain, and about 75,000 to Central and South America, with the largest numbers entering Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Bolivia. More than 18,000 Jews from the German Reich were also able to find refuge in Shanghai, in Japanese-occupied China.

"At the end of 1939, about 202,000 Jews remained in Germany and 57,000 in annexed Austria, many of them elderly. By October 1941, when Jewish emigration was officially forbidden, the number of Jews in Germany had declined to 163,000. The vast majority of those Jews still in Germany were murdered in Nazi camps and ghettos during the Holocaust.”

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005276

It’s no secret that the Jews and Arabs are pushing each other because the world's leaders decided to drop dual-citizenship Zionists in the middle of an Arab world, and then, through the ensuing years, arm them to the teeth so that they could not only defend themselves but so that they could expand their new, aggressive, military, apartheid state.

The endless stories of he-hit me-first can be traced back to the first who hit: it was the state of Israel that drove out the people of Palestine and, even now, would occupy their lands crying constantly, we have to “defend ourselves.”

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 22:04 | 2926504 ozziindaus
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Here I'll make it easy for you shithead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNDkhmceQR8

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 22:59 | 2926739 Arthur
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I will trust Wikipedia faster than the propaganda piece you found.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel

 

Check out all the varied links.  The majority of Arab states and Iran would be thrilled to eliminate Israel.  Do you really think otherwise?  Iran is known exporter of terror.  Why wouldn't Israel take the threats seriously?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 01:32 | 2926988 my puppy for prez
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They want the Zionist regime removed, and would not bomb Israel as the majority of the population is non-Jewish, or Muslim if you will!  They simply want THE BIGGEST EXPORTER OF TERROR, ISRAEL, to stop mistreating, stealing from, and conducting violence against the Palestinians.  Obviously, you are so Israel-centric that you cannot acknowledge the rights and value of any other people groups.  Typical...

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 01:52 | 2927007 Arthur
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Sure and Wikipedia is a total scame too.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 12:11 | 2928059 JR
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Yes, ozziindaus, the media lies not only by commission, but by omission.

 This is the video: Did Ahmadinejad Really Say He Wanted to "Wipe Off" Israel?  It explains how the U.S. media used outright lies and lies of omission “to manipulate the public into a confrontation with Iran.”

Here’s how the video sets the record straight:

“What Ahmadinejad said was: ‘The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.’

Yet, “All through the media this lie about him supposedly saying he wants to wipe Israel off the map has been spread. In fact, media outlets like CBS with their show 60 Minutes have suppressed what the Iranian president has said, clearly.

“This is the part that he broadcast where the president said: ‘I think that the Israeli government is a fabricated government…'

“The part…they omitted from the telecast (the whole video was shown on C-Span but an edited version was show on 60 minutes and they omitted everything)…is where he talks about what a solution is…democracy… and peace…":

 “and I have talked about the solution.  The solution is democracy. We have said allow Palestinania people to participae in a free and fair referendum to express their views. What we are saying only serves the cause of durable peace. We want durable peace in that part of the world. A durable peace will only come about with once the views of the people are met.”

--Iranian President Ahmadinejad

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 14:04 | 2928396 RichardP
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‘The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.’

How is that going to happen?  What form will that vanishing take?  What will it look like?  Will it happen by magic.  Or through the use of weapons?

Has the Imam recently said in public that Iran will support anyone who wants to destroy the Zionist regime?

What is the thought behind the misquote "wipe off the map"?  What is the thought behind the correct quote "must banish from the page of time"?  What is the thought behind the Iranian leadership's statement that"Iran will support anyone who wants to destroy the Zionist regime"?

Will you argue that there is a significant difference between the idea of "wipe off the map" and "Iran will support anyone who wants to destroy the Zionist regime"?  I will argue that there is not enough difference for it to be significant.

So what that no one said that Iran wants to "wipe Israel off the map".  Iran's leadership has said that they will support anyone who wants to destroy the Zionist regime.  The point is still the same.  For those who want the Zionist government, and the Nation of Israel, to survive - a defense against Iran's intentions to destroy the Zionist regime must be mounted.

Use any language you like.  You cannot deny that such a defense must be mounted, for real reasons, by those who wish to see the Zionist regime and the Nation of Israel survive.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 00:45 | 2926946 squexx
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More mental masturbation by a member of the Satanic Tribe! Look at the massacres, the burning of homes, farms and olive orchards. Israel DOES NOT have a right to exist! It never did, and the Satanic Tribe that infests the place doesn't belong there.

If the USA cut off all aid to the parasites, it would last about 2 months! The USA SHOULD cut off all aid to the parasites!

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 02:55 | 2927068 RichardP
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Israel DOES NOT have a right to exist! ...

What nation exists because it has a right to??  And if a nation does exists because it has a right to, from what or from whom did it get that right?

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 01:29 | 2926985 my puppy for prez
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"Wiped off the map" has NEVER been said by Iran, and was an intentional "misinterpretation" by Zionist shills and dupes.  Do some research on the web and you will find that the proper interpretation from Farsi says "erase the Zionist regime from the pages of history".

Go peddle your lies somewhere else.  Besides....if Iran wanted to kill Israel (Jews), they could start with their own population of Iranian Jews who live contentedly there.  The Israeli State has many times tried to entice the Iranian Jews to "make aliyah" to Israel with enticing sums of money, but they don't want to.  

Are you aware that at the UN conference, Ahmadenijad met with a group of ultra-Orthodox rabbis who are against Zionism, the artificial "state" of Israel, and said they knew he did not want to destroy Israel, just get rid of the Zionist regime.

See how your lame arguments fall apart in the face of incontrovertible facts?  

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 21:07 | 2926372 ArrestBobRubin
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Read, listen and learn about our very good friends the Israelis. I mean, what's the murder of 400 young Americans between friends, ya?

Really really nice of the Israelis to film these boys being sniped. Yes they're such great friends of ours it just warms the cockles of my heart.

This is much more loving than the friendship they showed to the USS Liberty in 1967. That day they only killed 36 American sailors. 400 murdered Marines show Israeli gratitude to the USA for all our help and money much more effectively...

Press TV: US – Israeli War and YouTube Exposed!
Sun, 10/28/2012 - 21:53 | 2926482 ozziindaus
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Thanks for the link. Absolutely disturbing and undoubtably the work of those IDF pigs. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UbAgq3u6lQ&feature=related

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 22:22 | 2926564 ArrestBobRubin
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All the hallmarks of The Real Terrorists are present in this one story.  It is hearbreaking to watch 400 Marines be wasted in such a foul and treacherous manner.

But this is who and what the evil ones are. This is how they roll. Sick murderers from a Terror State founded on terror by terrorists.

It does make one laugh at all the hasbara brains who've posted here tonight though. The degree to which many people's minds have been turned to shit by their very worst enemies is just breathtaking. 

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 23:58 | 2926871 Anusocracy
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America's worst enemies are in Washington, D.C.

Israel's worst enemies are in Jerusalem.

Iran's worst enemies are in Tehran.

etc.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 00:36 | 2926933 squexx
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America's biggest enemies are in Tel Aviv!

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 09:11 | 2927449 ludwig_von_mises
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What a truly original thought! Based on what?

 

Here a Saudi journalist uses his intellegence instead of the knee-jerk reaction of the conspiratorial crowd.

http://www.arabnews.com/arab-spring-and-israeli-enemy

If there were a few more of this guy there would be peace IN A HEARTBEAT. (And of course Iran is as much an enemy of Saudi Arabia as Israel.

"I decided to write this article after I saw photos and reports about a starving child in Yemen, a burned ancient Aleppo souk in Syria, the under developed Sinai in Egypt, car bombs in Iraq and the destroyed buildings in Libya. The photos and the reports were shown on the Al-Arabiya network, which is the most watched and respected news outlet in the Middle East. 

 
The common thing among all what I saw is that the destruction and the atrocities are not done by an outside enemy. The starvation, the killings and the destruction in these Arab countries are done by the same hands that are supposed to protect and build the unity of these countries and safeguard the people of these countries. So, the question now is that who is the real enemy of the Arab world?

These dictators’ atrocities against their own people are far worse than all the full-scale Arab-Israeli wars. 

... 

The Arab world wasted hundreds of billions of dollars and lost tens of thousands of innocent lives fighting Israel, which they considered is their sworn enemy, an enemy whose existence they never recognized. The Arab world has many enemies and Israel should have been at the bottom of the list. The real enemies of the Arab world are corruption, lack of good education, lack of good health care, lack of freedom, lack of respect for the human lives and finally, the Arab world had many dictators who used the Arab-Israeli conflict to suppress their own people. "


Sun, 10/28/2012 - 23:29 | 2926809 Cathartes Aura
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yes, thank you for that link, very powerful words, information.

Similarly, in Fallujah, Iraq, Dr. Chris Busby, while investigating the use of Depleted Uranium, a dangerous cancer causing material widely used by the United States in most of its munitions processes, from bombs and shells to simple rifle bullets, discovered, not signs of DU but of Uranium 235.

America had used fission-based nuclear weapons in Iraq, hard scientific proof, samples of fissionable material has been gathered from the region.

It has also been gathered from the people, their bodies, their hair, and, of course, there is a wealth of evidence and witness testimony that leads to the reasonable conclusion that the United States has used dozens of “nuclear demolitions” and “micro-nukes” throughout the Middle East.

the truth long suppressed is leaking out everywhere. . . it's a powerful article, and the author's "voice" is definitely felt.

There have always been armies but two recent trends, the focus on unaccountable “special operations” units, often military arms of multinational political and economic groups above any law or organization and “privatized security,” mercenaries that make wars “invisible” to everyone but the victims.

yes, the whole artifice is leaking, and anyone paying attention is getting huge chunks of information that is bound to "disappear" if they can manage it. . .

keep sharing what we find, while it's available.

Mon, 10/29/2012 - 06:58 | 2927165 lakecity55
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USS Liberty.

We have common interests with Israel, but they are not our best friends.

They will act in their own interests, even at the cost of US lives.

However, that leaves us to return the favor.

Israel is one of the top 5 outfits conducting espionage on the USA.

So, men, the next time you are at a bar, watch out for pretty Israeli chicks who get too friendly.

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Don't take anything at that VT website w/o a grain of salt. It has ISI guys in it. Some is probably true, some reporting less so. Voltairenet.org is much more straightfoward.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 21:40 | 2926458 Never One Roach
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Where is the outrage in the UN?

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 22:23 | 2926584 zen0
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the U.N.   IS an outrage.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 21:47 | 2926469 Curt W
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I am so tired of Israel trying to tear the world apart.

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 22:28 | 2926596 zen0
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First day with your new brain, Curt W?

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