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Guest Post: Will A Prophet Assume Command?
Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform blog,
[Yes it's daunting; but well worth the time to grasp the inexorable path that we are on and rather stunning parallels to previous periods in our history]

“The next Fourth Turning is due to begin shortly after the new millennium, midway through the Oh-Oh decade. Around the year 2005, a sudden spark will catalyze a Crisis mood. Remnants of the old social order will disintegrate. Political and economic trust will implode. Real hardship will beset the land, with severe distress that could involve questions of class, race, nation and empire. The very survival of the nation will feel at stake. Sometime before the year 2025, America will pass through a great gate in history, commensurate with the American Revolution, Civil War, and twin emergencies of the Great Depression and World War II.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning
Strauss & Howe wrote these words in 1997. They had predicted the arrival of another Crisis in this time frame in their previous book Generations, written in 1990. This wasn’t guesswork on their part. They understood the dynamics of how generations interact and how the mood of the country shifts every twenty or so years based upon the generational alignment that occurs as predictably as the turning of the seasons. The last generation that lived through the entire previous Crisis from 1929 through 1946 has virtually died off. This always signals the onset of the next Fourth Turning. The housing bubble and its ultimate implosion created the spark for the current Crisis that began in September 2008, with the near meltdown of the worldwide financial system. Just as the stock market crash of 1929, the election of Lincoln in 1860, and the Boston Tea Party in 1773 catalyzed a dramatic mood change in the country, the Wall Street created financial collapse in 2008 has ushered in a twenty year period of agony, suffering, war and ultimately the annihilation of the existing social order.
We have experienced the American High (Spring) from 1946 until 1964, witnessing America’s ascendancy as a global superpower. We survived the turbulent Consciousness Revolution Awakening (Summer) from 1964 until 1984, as Vietnam era protests morphed into yuppie era greed. The Long Boom/Culture Wars Unraveling (Fall) lasted from Reagan’s Morning in America in 1984 until the 2008 Wall Street/Federal Reserve spawned crash. The pessimism built to a crescendo as worry about rising violence and incivility, widening wealth inequality, and the splitting of the national consensus into extremes on the left and right, led the country into a winter of discontent. The Global Financial Crisis (Winter) has arrived in full fury and is likely to last until the late 2020’s. It will be an era of upheaval, financial turbulence, economic collapse, war, and the complete redefinition of society, as the existing corrupt status quo is swept away in the fury of powerful hurricane winds of change. History is cyclical and we’ve entered the most dangerous season, when the choices we make as a nation will have profound long lasting implications to the lives of future unborn generations.
The linear thinkers and so called progressives who believe that history charges relentlessly forward and human ingenuity overcomes all obstacles as the world becomes progressively richer, advanced, and humane ignore the lessons of history that have been re-written every 80 to 100 years for centuries. Generational theory is so simple that even an Ivy League intellectual economist, corrupt congressman, or CNBC anchor bimbo could grasp the basic concept. The four turnings in the ongoing cycle of history match a long human life. There is a reason we forget the lessons of the past. Those who remember the lessons die off after 80 years. The linear thinking status quo keep predicting an improving economy based upon their beliefs that the next fifteen years will proceed in a similar fashion to the last fifteen years. They refuse to acknowledge we’ve entered a new era that cannot be reversed to a previous point in time. Once you’ve experienced the harsh bitter winds of the Winter, you have to deal with months of depressing darkness, harsh conditions, and stormy weather before experiencing the return of the warm breezes of Spring. The tranquil days of autumn are long gone. This dynamic can be clearly visualized by comparing our economic situation in 2007, prior to entering this Fourth Turning, to our economic situation today:
End of Unraveling in 2007 versus fourth year of Crisis in 2012
- In 2007, the unemployment rate was 4.6%; 146 million people, or 63% of the working age population, were employed; and 78 million Americans were not in the labor force. Today, after three years of “recovery”, the unemployment rate is 7.9%; 143 million people, or 58.8% of the working age population are employed; and 88 million Americans are not in the labor force.
- Real median household income was $55,039 in 2007. It has fallen by 8.2% to $50,502 today.
- BLS reported inflation has risen by 12% since 2007. True inflation has risen at twice that rate.
- Median net worth in 2007 was $126,400. By 2010 it had fallen to $77,300, a 39% drop in three years. As of today, it may be a few thousand dollars higher as stock prices have risen and home prices have stopped falling.
- In 2007 there were 5.7 million existing homes sold at a median price of $218,900. Today there are 4.3 million existing homes being sold at a median price of $183,900. Over 1 million of these home sales are foreclosures or short sales, as 30% of all the homes with a mortgage in the country owe more than their house is worth.
- Federal government spending in 2007 was $2.73 trillion. Federal government spending today is $3.8 trillion, a 39% increase in five years. GDP in 2007 was $14.2 trillion. Today GDP is $15.8 trillion, an 11% increase in five years. Approximately 25% of the GDP increase is due to increased government spending.
- Government entitlement transfers totaled $1.7 trillion in 2007. Today they total $2.4 trillion, a 41% increase in five years. Interest income paid to senior citizens and savers totaled $1.25 trillion in 2007. Today interest income totals $985 billion, a 21% decrease in five years. Wall Street bankers needed the money to pay themselves bonuses, so Ben Bernanke obliged.
- The annual deficit in 2007 totaled $161 billion. Today, the annual deficit is $1.1 trillion. We add $3 billion per day to the national debt as a gift to unborn generations.
- The national debt in 2007 was $9 trillion. Today the national debt is $16.3 trillion, an 81% increase in five years. The national debt will reach $20 trillion during the next presidential term. Normalization of interest rates to 2007 levels would result in annual interest expense of $1 trillion, or 40% of current government revenues.
There is nothing normal about our current economic situation. The unfunded liabilities at the Federal, State and local levels of government accumulate to over $200 trillion. Do the facts detailed above lead you to believe we can return to pre-2007 normal in the near future, or ever? Not only has the economic situation of the country deteriorated enormously, the very culprits who created the disaster are more powerful than they were before the global catastrophe caused by their criminal risk taking. The largest Wall Street banks control 74% of all the deposits in the country, up from 66% in 2007, and double the levels from the mid-1990’s. These bastions of capitalism wield all of the power in this country, dictating who wins elections, who writes the laws, and who benefits from the distribution of wealth. Only in a corrupt, crony-capitalist, citadel of kleptocracy could the perpetrators of the greatest theft of national wealth in the history of mankind be rewarded with taxpayer financed bailouts, the ability to borrow an unlimited amount of fiat currency at 0% from a Central Bank they control, write the new banking regulations and be applauded by their corporate mainstream media for becoming even Too Bigger to Fail. This Fourth Turning will ultimately come down to a clash between the people and the Wall Street filth.

Those in power today are using their ample wealth and control over the legal, economic and political systems to pretend that an epic crisis does not beckon at our doorstep. Propaganda and media spin cannot avert the brutally hard choices that must be made over the next fifteen years. The existing system is unsustainable. It can either be changed by choice or after a complete collapse. We haven’t reached the point of regeneracy yet when civic purpose begins to strengthen. The outcome of this presidential election will determine the next phase of this Crisis. Strauss & Howe described the normal course of a crisis in 1997:
“A CRISIS arises in response to sudden threats that previously would have been ignored or deferred, but which are now perceived as dire. Great worldly perils boil off the clutter and complexity of life, leaving behind one simple imperative: The society must prevail. This requires a solid public consensus, aggressive institutions, and personal sacrifice. People support new efforts to wield public authority, whose perceived successes soon justify more of the same. Government governs, community obstacles are removed, and laws and customs that resisted change for decades are swiftly shunted aside. A grim preoccupation with civic peril causes spiritual curiosity to decline. Public order tightens, private risk-taking abates, and crime and substance abuse decline. Families strengthen, gender distinctions widen, and child-rearing reaches a smothering degree of protection and structure. The young focus their energy on worldly achievements, leaving values in the hands of the old. Wars are fought with fury and for maximum result.” - The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe
Clearly this country has not reached a common consensus and is split 50%/50% on most important issues. Debates about the role of government are waged with vitriolic passion, but the reality is that, as in past Fourth Turnings, the government has already assumed a greater level of power and control over our lives. The majority believe that government can protect them, provide for them, and pay their way. This is a delusion which will be revealed as fraudulent and mathematically impossible. The incompetent government preparation prior to Superstorm Sandy and the dysfunctional, bureaucratic and painfully slow response afterward are opening the eyes of many people. The decisions which are yet to be made are what kind of society shall we be and who will be required to sacrifice to achieve a positive outcome at the end of this Crisis. Turnings are driven by a mood change in the country and the constellation of generations at that point in time. The generations are now aligned as they always are during a Crisis:
- Boomers entering elderhood
- Gen-Xers entering midlife
- Millennials entering young adulthood
- Homelanders entering childhood
History does not repeat but it does rhyme, because of the cyclical nature of human experience. The specific events that drive this Crisis are unknowable, but the generational response to these events can be predicted with uncanny accuracy. Each generation will play its assigned role during this Crisis. The current generational configuration will propel events and create a feedback loop that will change the course of human history on a scale consistent with the Depression/World War II, the Civil War and the American Revolution.
“What will propel these events? As the saeculum turns, each of today’s generations will enter a new phase of life, producing a Crisis constellation of Boomer elders, midlife 13ers, young adult Millennials, and children from the new Silent Generation. As each archetype asserts its new social role, American society will reach its peak of potency. The natural order givers will be elder Prophets, the natural order takers young Heroes. The no-nonsense bosses will be midlife Nomads, the sensitive souls the child Artists. No archetypal constellation can match the gravitational of this one – nor its power to congeal the natural dynamic of human history into new civic purposes. And none can match its potential power to condense countless arguments, anxieties, cynicisms, and pessimisms into one apocalyptic storm.” - The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe
The mood of the country continues to blacken. A simmering anger boils beneath the surface of an everyday façade of normalcy. The middle class majority is being squeezed in a vice, with the rich powerful plutocrats on Wall Street and in Washington DC stealing their hard earned net worth through financial scams, the gutting of our industrial base and a tax system designed to benefit those who write the laws on one side and the parasitic willfully ignorant underclass that is sustained only through the extraction of taxes from the working middle class on the other side. Our society has become a hunger games tournament, with the few benefitting while the many scramble to survive. The stench of class warfare is in the air. The generational resentment and rage is palatable as the Millenial generation has taken on a trillion dollars of student loan debt at the behest of the Federal government, Wall Street and older generations, only to graduate into a jobless economy. The generational contract has been broken, as the older generations will not or cannot leave the workforce due to their own financial missteps. Younger generations are being denied entry level positions, even as the older generations expect them to fund their retirements and healthcare. This presidential election will only exacerbate the anger, disappointment, bitterness and fury among the populace, no matter who wins.
Prophets & Nomads
Can generational theory predict who will win the presidential election? Probably not, but based upon historical precedent, during times of Crisis the country usually turns to a Prophet generation leader who provides a new vision and summons the moral authority to lead. This leader may not have the right vision or have the backing of the entire population, but he is not afraid to take bold action. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was despised by many, but he boldly led the country during the last Crisis. Abraham Lincoln won the 1860 election with only 39.8% of the popular vote, but he unflinchingly did whatever he thought was necessary to achieve victory and preserve the union. Prophet leaders like Samuel Adams and Benjamin Franklin offered the sense of moral urgency required to sustain the American Revolution. Strauss & Howe give a historical perspective on Prophet generations.
“Prophet generations are born after a great war or other crisis, during a time of rejuvenated community life and consensus around a new societal order. Prophets grow up as the increasingly indulged children of this post-crisis era, come of age as narcissistic young crusaders of a spiritual awakening, cultivate principle as moralistic mid-lifers, and emerge as wise elders guiding another historical crisis. By virtue of this location in history, such generations tend to be remembered for their coming-of-age passion and their principled elder stewardship. Their principle endowments are often in the domain of vision, values, and religion. Their best-known historical leaders include John Winthrop, William Berkeley, Samuel Adams, Benjamin Franklin, James Polk, Abraham Lincoln, Herbert Hoover, and Franklin Roosevelt. These were principled moralists, summoners of human sacrifice, and wagers of righteous wars. Early in life, few saw combat in uniform; later in life, most came to be revered more for their inspiring words than for their grand deeds.” - The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe

Barack Obama was born in 1961. According to the Strauss & Howe generational distinctions, this makes him an early Gen-Xer. His life story matches that of the Nomad archetype. His chaotic early life, confused upbringing by an array of elders, frenetic alienated early adulthood as a community organizer, and his rise to power through his public speaking talent and pragmatic ability to achieve his agenda is a blueprint for a Nomad. Mitt Romney was born in 1947 and grew up during the American High. His childhood was idyllic and privileged. His moral Mormon youth as a missionary eventually devolved into his yuppie “greed is good” career at Bain Capital acquiring companies, making them more efficient (firing Americans & hiring Asians), and spinning them off, while siphoning millions in fees. He has tried to convince Americans to vote for him, based upon his business acumen and moral lifestyle, as the cure for what ails America. With the continued downward spiral of societal mood, record low trust in Congress and 60% of Americans thinking the country is on the wrong track, the odds should favor the Prophet candidate. The 40% of Americans who think the country is on the right track are a tribute to our awful government run public education system or are smoking crack.
The Barack Obama presidency has many similarities to the one-term presidencies of Herbert Hoover and James Buchanan. Both men were overwhelmed by rapidly deteriorating events, an inability to understand the true nature of the Crisis, and failure to inspire the American people to rally behind a common cause. Both men drifted off into obscurity and are overwhelmingly acknowledged as two of the least successful presidents. The men who succeeded them are ranked by historians at the top of the list, even though they are both despised by more libertarian minded citizens as proponents of big government solutions and control. Libertarians will not be happy with developments over the next fifteen years. This Crisis is an era in which America’s corrupt social order will be torn down and reconstructed from the ground as a reaction to the unsustainable financial pyramid scheme which is an existential threat to the nation’s very survival. Civic authority will revive, cultural manifestation will find a community resolution, and citizens will begin to associate themselves as adherents of a larger cluster.
Barack Obama has fallen short as a Crisis leader, just as Buchanan and Hoover fell short. Buchanan also tried to maintain the status quo and not address the key issues of the day – secession and slavery. His handling of the financial Panic of 1857 led to annual deficits that exceeded 13% of GDP during his entire presidency. His legacy is one of failure and hesitation. Hoover was a technocrat with an engineering background who failed to recognize the extent of the suffering by the American people during the early stages of the Great Depression. It is a false storyline that he did not attempt to use the power of the Federal government to address the economic crisis. Federal spending increased by over 20% during his term and he was running a deficit when Roosevelt assumed power. Hoover was an activist president who began the public works programs that FDR expanded and dramatically increased taxes on the rich and corporations in 1932.
Obama inherited a plunging economic situation and proceeded to make choices that will make this Crisis far worse than it needed to be. He has failed miserably in addressing the core elements of this Crisis that were foreseen by Strauss and Howe over a decade before the initial spark in 2008. Debt, civic decay, rising wealth inequality due to the rise of our plutocracy, and global disorder are the underlying basis for this Crisis. Obama’s response was to run record deficits driving the national debt skyward, failing to address the unfunded entitlement liabilities that loom on the horizon, bowing down before the Wall Street mobsters and paying their ransom demands, layering on more complexity and unfunded healthcare liabilities to an already teetering government system, and extending our policing the world foreign policy at a cost of $1 trillion per year. A Crisis requires a bold leader who makes tough choices and leads. Obama has proven to not be that leader. Based on historical precedent and the rapidly deteriorating mood of the country, it would be logical for the country to select Romney, a Prophet generation leader.
No Escape
“Don’t think you can escape the Fourth Turning the way you might today distance yourself from news, national politics, or even taxes you don’t feel like paying. History warns that a Crisis will reshape the basic social and economic environment that you now take for granted. The Fourth Turning necessitates the death and rebirth of the social order. It is the ultimate rite of passage for an entire people, requiring a luminal state of sheer chaos whose nature and duration no one can predict in advance.” – Strauss & Howe - The Fourth Turning
No matter who wins the election, there will be no turning back. It isn’t Morning in America anymore. It is more like Midnight in America on a bitterly cold dark February night as the gale force winds begin to gust, foretelling the approach of an epic winter blizzard. There are no easy solutions. The opportunity to alleviate the impact of this Crisis was during the late 1990’s and early 2000’s, and we made all the wrong choices. Now we will pay the price. An era of depression and violence will be ushered in by an economic calamity that will make 2008 look like a minor blip. The next president will still be presiding over a country divided 50%/50%, with little or no common ground on most of the key issues that must be confronted. But, as we’ve seen in previous Crisis periods, bold leadership and history making decisions did not require consensus or even majority support. Only 10% of the colonial population drove the American Revolution. Lincoln was despised by half the country and not exactly loved by everyone in the North. FDR’s popular support progressively declined during his four terms in office. It is the Fourth Turning events, not the nation, which elevates the person to the apex of power. The regeneracy of the nation will occur during the next presidential term.
“Soon after the catalyst, a national election will produce a sweeping political realignment, as one faction or coalition capitalizes on a new public demand for decisive action. Republicans, Democrats, or perhaps a new party will decisively win the long partisan tug of war. This new regime will enthrone itself for the duration of the Crisis. Regardless of its ideology, that new leadership will assert public authority and demand private sacrifice. Regardless of its ideology, that new leadership will assert public authority and demand private sacrifice. Where leaders had once been inclined to alleviate societal pressures, they will now aggravate them to command the nation’s attention. The regeneracy will be solidly under way.” – Strauss & Howe - The Fourth Turning
The Millenial generation is coming of age faced with the burdens of $1 trillion of student loan debt, a stagnant job market clogged by the Boomer generation that can’t afford to retire because they never got around to saving, ever increasing taxes to fund the promises made to their elders by politicians, and an unfunded entitlement liability of $100 trillion for healthcare and pension benefits they will never see. The mathematical impossibility of sustaining our economic system is absolute. It will require courage, sacrifice, fortitude and a dramatic shift of our egocentric selfish culture to a culture of sustainability and caring about future generations. We’ve made many bad choices over the last few decades. Choices matter. These are the times that will try men’s souls. The choices we make as a nation over the next few years will determine whether this Fourth Turning ends in a renewal of our founding principles or tragedy. Glory or ruin – the choice is ours.
“Thus might the next Fourth Turning end in apocalypse – or glory. The nation could be ruined, its democracy destroyed, and millions of people scattered or killed. Or America could enter a new golden age, triumphantly applying shared values to improve the human condition. The rhythms of history do not reveal the outcome of the coming Crisis; all they suggest is the timing and dimension.” – Strauss & Howe - The Fourth Turning
The next stage of this Crisis is likely to be ignited by a downward spiral of societal trust caused by the next financial implosion, which is certain to occur. A world built upon debt, false promises, interconnected webs of deceitful derivatives, fiat currency backed only by the promises of lying politicians and captured central bankers, and a diminishing supply of easy to access natural resources, is hopelessly dependent upon the willful ignorance of the masses. As long as people want to be lied to rather than facing the truth, those in power can maintain the status quo. Once the jarring realization of reality overwhelms the propaganda and lies of the oligarchs, the battle for middle earth will begin. What will trigger the next phase of this Crisis? No one knows for sure, but based on the fault lines already evident, these are a possibility:
- The inevitable breakup of the European Union with the consequences of massive bank defaults in Europe triggering worldwide bank defaults as the interconnected trillions of derivatives are lit like a string of firecrackers.
- A sudden Greece like surge in interest rates on Japanese bonds results in a collapse of their debt ridden economic system, with reverberations throughout the world.
- The Middle East tinderbox explodes as Israel attacks Iran and the law of unintended consequences takes hold. Alliances and treaties would draw Turkey into war with Syria and Iran. Russia and China could side against the U.S. Iran and their vassals would unleash terrorist attacks and disruption of Middle Eastern oil would drive prices over $200 per barrel, crushing the American economy.
- A showdown on the debt ceiling and/or fiscal cliff results in a stock market crash, derailing the pitiful fledgling recovery created by Ben Bernanke’s QE to infinity measures.
- A tipping point is reached with regards to the amount of debt that can be accumulated by our Federal, State and Local governments. A cascade of defaults could lead to a loss of faith in the U.S. dollar and a surge in interest rates. The defaults and increased interest on the national debt could lead to mass depression or in a worst case scenario – hyperinflation.
- A large terrorist attack in one or more American cities would cause chaos, panic and fear, leading to more government control over our daily lives. This could trigger a counter response by those fed up with an overbearing government presence.
- A catastrophic natural disaster or series of natural disasters would reveal the fragile nature of our just in time economic system. A breakdown of our logistical and infrastructure systems would lead to chaos and mass hysteria as the citizens who believed their government leaders would keep them safe, secure, warm, and fed realized it was all a sham. Their leaders were in it for the power and riches, not looking out for the best interests of the common folk.
No one knows for sure what will trigger the next leg down during this Crisis, but I can guarantee you that things will not be getting better in the near future. Don’t believe the mainstream media or politicians who tell us life in the good old U.S. of A will be back to normal in the near future. And those who predict a long slow gentle decline of the American Empire that can be managed by the oligarchs are badly mistaken. That is not how things roll in a Fourth Turning. Transformative change, chaos, desperate measures, and total war will propel our nation through this cataclysmic saeculum and a positive outcome is not assured. An armed conflict – class war, sectional war, religious war, or war for oil – will be waged at some point and fought to the finish. Fourth Turning wars do not end inconclusively. Each Fourth Turning war has resulted in greater destruction and more horrendous numbers of human casualties. The trials and tribulations that await this nation over the next fifteen years will challenge every living generation to play their roles and bravely confront the tasks needed to reach a new High, just as their ancestors did.
“History offers no guarantees. Obviously, things could go horribly wrong – the possibilities ranging from a nuclear exchange to incurable plagues, from terrorist anarchy to high-tech dictatorship. We should not assume that Providence will always exempt our nation from the irreversible tragedies that have overtaken so many others: not just temporary hardship, but debasement and total ruin. Losing in the next Fourth Turning could mean something incomparably worse. It could mean a lasting defeat from which our national innocence – perhaps even our nation – might never recover.” – Strauss & Howe - The Fourth Turning
For those who doubt generational theory and believe history is a linear path of human progress, I would point to the last week of chaos, disarray, government dysfunction, and misery of those who didn’t prepare for Superstorm Sandy, as a prelude to the worst of this Crisis. The lack of preparation by government officials and citizens, death, destruction, panic, anger, helplessness and realization of how fragile our system has become is a perfect analogy to our preparation for this Fourth Turning. The brittleness of our infrastructure and lack of redundancy in our systems has left us vulnerable to any large storm. Building mansions yards from a dangerous unpredictable sea is akin to allowing Wall Street bankers to create interconnected financial derivatives which will ultimately result in a great worldwide flood that will obliterate billions of wealth. Going decades without upgrading our power grid, transportation systems, or storm protection is akin to allowing our unfunded entitlement liabilities to accumulate to such an extreme level that it will be impossible to honor and the coming storm will swamp those depending on those promises. The lack of foresight by citizens in having food, water, and backup sources of power and heat in case of an emergency is akin to the millions of people that have lived the good life in debt up to their eyeballs while never saving for a rainy day or their retirement. When the rainy day arrives they panic and demand to be saved by an inept bureaucratic government.

Winter has arrived. The gathering storm is about to strike. Are you prepared?
“Reflect on what happens when a terrible winter blizzard strikes. You hear the weather warning but probably fail to act on it. The sky darkens. Then the storm hits with full fury, and the air is a howling whiteness. One by one, your links to the machine age break down. Electricity flickers out, cutting off the TV. Batteries fade, cutting off the radio. Phones go dead. Roads become impossible, and cars get stuck. Food supplies dwindle. Day to day vestiges of modern civilization – bank machines, mutual funds, mass retailers, computers, satellites, airplanes, governments – all recede into irrelevance. Picture yourself and your loved ones in the midst of a howling blizzard that lasts several years. Think about what you would need, who could help you, and why your fate might matter to anybody other than yourself. That is how to plan for a saecular winter. Don’t think you can escape the Fourth Turning. History warns that a Crisis will reshape the basic social and economic environment that you now take for granted.” – Strauss & Howe - The Fourth Turning
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Agreed, just like Obama buying into Marx.
The early Christians were considered a cult until they became the majority. Which dogmas, exactly, are appropriate for Presidents to adhere to? The Founders were mostly Deists. They certainly didn't believe in symbolic cannibalism. In your opinion, is anyone who believes in symbolic cannibalism fit to be anything but a Neanderthal or a New Guinian?
All religions are cults.
It is not the obligation of Christians to sell Christianity. You've heard it, you rejected it....we've heard your opinion, stop selling it.
Wait, you mean that my three teenage wives are not relevant?
It is not the obligation of Christians to sell Christianity.
Well, the evangelicals...
joseph smith translated the book of abraham into english. after the rosetta stone was found, the new translation showed that smith didn't get 1 word right. he knocked up an underage servant girl , sent men on missionary trips, then took their wives for himself, and finally he and another mormon drowned an old churchwoman, who was drawing attention to his behavior. the original book of mormon, translated from the golden tablets, that could never be found, did not cast the african race in a favorable light.theres good reason the mormons were driven out of nauvoo.
Bring on the freak show....
Everclear - Wonderful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUfgAbFY4CA (4:39)
Evidently you didn't read in your wiki link where this United Order nonsense is practiced by the Mormon offshoots & not within the main body of the church. Hate Romney for being the insincere snake that he is, but you do yourself a disservice by attacking a faith that isn't any crazier than most of the "accepted" religious movements out there.
This post didn't end up where I intended it. I don't post much. Not worth it really.
I believe the person in that painting is John Brown.
Kinda sorta reformer.
The guy was a Polygamist.
Who in their right mind would want multiple wives?
Multiple wives?
Talk about a fourth turning.... not learning your lesson the first time.
Jesus...
John Brown the abolitionist was a polygamist?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown_(abolitionist)
John Brown the abolitionist was a polygamist?
He was not. The commenter should crack open a book.
It is John Brown...and he was a mass murdering psychopath. The chords of the Battle Hymn of the Republic makes me cringe everytime I hear it.
Yeah, lets idolize a mass murderer...great.
Good job Bobby Lee.
I hear ya, but Brown was a catalyst that helped bring about was to come...namely the freeing of the slaves. That's when the 2 parties really were two parties and all of the slave owners were Democrats and evil...really and truly evil, I mean Geithner and Bernanke evil.
It was never about freeing slaves, it was about centralized federal power.
Lincoln said as much on more than one occasion. If you read the Emancipation Proclamation he also states within that document (that everyone stupidly lauds so much)...that wherever HIS armies were in control...slaves would remain in exactly the same status...as slaves.
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured_documents/emancipation_proclamation/
Then of course, the angelic "slave freeing" abolitionists set about to create a new country (Liberia) to deport newly freed slaves from the country of their own birth.
I know this is not what children are taught...but its the truth.
Sure thing buddy, you are always creating your own reality, why stop now...
You have something to dispute euro-weenie or you just trollin?
Nope... I am just amazed at the bullshit that you spin into a web that you call home...
Reading comprehension 101...you apparently flunked it. What does this say from the Emancipation Procalmation?...I'll even highlight it for you ;-)
"Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana (except the parishes of St. Bernard,
Palquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James, Ascension,
Assumption, Terrebone, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans,
including the city of New Orleans), Mississippi, Alabama, Florida,
Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia (except the
forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the
counties of Berkeley, Accomac, Morthhampton, Elizabeth City, York,
Princess Anne, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and
Portsmouth), and which >>>excepted parts are for the present left
precisely as if this proclamation were not issued."<<<
What is the predominate feature of these "excepted" areas? Why, they are areas where the federal army actually had the force (their army) to free slaves because they controlled the areas/cities/towns/parishes.
But the Great Emancipator didn't...did he?
You go girl...
I must tip my cap, you can take minutae left behind by greater acts and spin it into self-serving narcissist bullshit that gives you just enough hate to carry on for another generation...
Truly fuckin amazin.....
The only hate I carry is for pricks like you who can distort facts into fiction. You must now, somehow, gain the balls to say what you really hate to say...what gnaws at you in the pit of your stomach.
Did I tell the truth?
Say it ;-)
How hard would it be for that guy to read through Lincoln's First Inaugural Address which contains multiple defenses of slavery instead of insisting that he knows history better than the history text books do?
lol...as difficult as it would be for him to ever admit he's wrong about anything.
WTF are you talking about? That's pretty much exactly how it all went down.
Yes, that poor slave owning white antebellum male, a horribly exploited minority...
Keep cherry picking history......
And when Lincoln REFUSED to free the slaves (he now controlled by virtue of HIS army around them)...HE was not exploiting THEIR labor for HIS purpose for HIS army?
You should actually really read some American history before trying to expound on it.
The freed slaves were referred to by the Federals as contraband. As in contraband property.
I'm assuming the picture is Joesph Smith the founder of Mormon.
Couldn't be. That man is big...he's a big man. Must be Daza!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7sPvWrL6KY
Scroll down in the wiki entry and you'll see the painting that was used for this article.
Yeah, that's him, the abortionist.
Any guy with 4 wives'd be driven to becoming a do it your self at home abortionist.
Thank God I know my stuff :)
I just realized I'm an abortionist too. Libs should get as many abortions as they want, on demand. To save money, a loose step and a flight of stairs is all you need.
That was deliciously evil, wasn't it? (and stolen from Dave Attell)
Boo-yah!
:)
"Progessives" should get as many abortions as they want, on demand."
Agreed!!! ;-)
No, it's John Brown.
https://www.google.com/search?q=john+brown+painting&hl=en&prmd=imvnso&tb...
PS - You've got to love folks who down vote documented facts. Makes you wonder how they manage to walk around and stuff.
I would like 4 wives for one night.
Day called ho's
night called ho's too
fact day called ho's everywhere cept probation
Old Lodgeskins: Don't worry, my son. You'll return to the Human Beings. I dreamed it last night. I saw you and your wives as you crawled from one to the other in your tepee.
Little Big Man: Wives, Grandfather?
Old Lodgeskins: Oh, yes. Three or four. It was dark, and they were hidden under buffalo robes. But it was a great copulation, my son.
Little Big Man: The Human Beings only take one wife. How could I have three or four?
Old Lodgeskins: I don't know. It worries me.
Multiple wives indeed,
Quadraphonic bitching, no thanks!
If John Brown were alive today he would have been black bagged and put in Gitmo...if he were lucky.
Malcolm X said that John Brown is the only white man who he would make an honorary black man.
What about Bill Clinton? He was touted to be America's first black president. Makes the Obama victory seem rather insignificant.
I thought it was Kansas's first album cover. But it's really "Tragic Prelude" artist John Stewart Curry's mural of John Brown on disply in the Kansas Statehouse.
As long as those Indians in space helmets aren't in the statehouse as well.
Doomsday? Bullish.
"Doomsday dates are nothing but a dick tease"
Gotta admit, I actually laughed out loud at that one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9czBBKof7Yo
The next "prophet" will BE the AC. IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QZE9yGJSb1Q#!
Why the negative votes? This is zero hedge for heavens sake.
-1/2 you had to ask,
-1/2 you then had to explain it ...
http://www.johntitor.com/
What are your memories of 2036?
I remember 2036 very clearly. It is difficult to describe 2036 in detail without spending a great deal of time explaining why things are so different.
In 2036, I live in central Florida with my family and I'm currently stationed at an Army base in Tampa. A world war in 2015 killed nearly three billion people. The people that survived grew closer together. Life is centered on the family and then the community. I cannot imagine living even a few hundred miles away from my parents.
There is no large industrial complex creating masses of useless food and recreational items. Food and livestock is grown and sold locally. People spend much more time reading and talking together face to face. Religion is taken seriously and everyone can multiply and divide in their heads.
Life has changed so much over my lifetime that it's hard to pin down a "normal" day. When I was 13, I was a soldier. As a teenager, I helped my dad haul cargo. I went to college when I was 31 and I was recruited to "time travel" shortly after that. Again, I suppose an average day in 2036 is like an average day on the farm.
There is a civil war in the United States that starts in 2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my perspective), China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.
One of the biggest reasons why food production is localized is because the environment is affected with disease and radiation. We are making huge strides in getting it cleaned up. Water is produced on a community level and we do eat meat that we raise ourselves.
After the war, early new communities gathered around the current Universities. That's where the libraries were. I went to school at Fort UF, which is now called the University of Florida. Not too much is different except the military is large part of people's life and we spend a great deal of time in the fields and farms at the "University" or Fort.
The Constitution was changed after the war. We have 5 presidents that are voted in and out on different term periods. The vice president is the president of the senate and they are voted separately.
In your scenario, I'll bet that the whole LGBT thing is treated differently...anthropologically speaking.
If life is so communal, agrarian and religious, why are army bases everywhere? Methinks this is a dispatch from Winston Smith's reality-challenged cousin living in the country.
lol
fight club
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCD14IrOcIs&feature=related
In a way, I hope ObaMao has to stay in there for the downfall....as much as I'd love to see him and his disgusting band of cronies go they'd get to look on and comment about how things were just fine when they were there. Leave em there at the helm of the sinking ship.
Same here, let barry and co. reside over the steaming pile of shit that is building. Get this fucker over with already, damn dog and pony show. To coin a phrase from A Few Good Men, "either way, I don't give a damn"
Problem here is that under the current Constitution, Barry O can only serve a further 4 years then he's out. So, with no chance of re-election he's got no incentive to provide "nice" policies for "The People"; we may be seeing 4 years of policies whose clear, and only, intention is to benefit the top 0.1% without any pretence of "Window Dressing" for the Masses.
At least with Mr Mitt R, there "might" be some consideration for a chance of a second term, so maybe (just maybe) the policies might be slightly more "Populace Friendly", or at least more attractively packaged to placate the masses?
Of course if Barry O DOES get re-elected, his demonstrated enthusiasm for the "Executive Order" style of administration might just "change his re-election" prospects for a third term, especially if "some incident" might be carefully managed to permit "temporary, of course" imposition of Martial Law as his tenure runs out . .
Impossible?? Seems to have worked just fine for both Hitler and Stalin.
I think the chance of a junta taking orders from Barry is pretty much zero.
sheepdog-ur just sayin that cause vegas tells u its good news for ur shiney
???
What about his shit eating grin on Wednesday? Who could stand looking at that?
Profit already has...
"Will a Prophet Assume Command?"
No, but we will assume the position
I believe that is the Prophet Bohica.
Prophet Bohica suggests we practice the new 'ZHer chant,' cuz this could last a l-o-n-g time:
FUCK YOU, ROMNEY!
May as well kick back and enjoy a Cohiba!
"Lean FORWARD!"
HAHAHA good one!
So basically whats coming soon will make WW2 look quaint by comparison. Great....well hey as long as they got stocks up thats all that really mattered.
Don't forget your bawnds Sheep Dog...
Must get Mrs. Rainman prepared to wash clothes in the river
Washing clothes in the river.
Hah!
I can just see that one... I'll be sprawled out on the dirt in the shade of the tree watching the squirrels fuck, sipping from a coconut shell filled with rotten fruit mush while she slaps clothes on the rocks amongst the spiders and nettles.
Not a chance.
Lemme tell ya, gets any major worse, I'll be hiring people to scratch my head, tweze my back and pick my zits for popcorn.
new car sales Oct 2012
France -7.8% YOY
Japan -10.8%
Don't they know how to stuff channels?
Cars? Where we're going, we don't need cars.
One does not simply walk into mordor. . . oh, right.
No, it seems that we must skate
Ah but a sturdy paper boat to paddle across the flaming river of blood in the 7th circle of hell.
Can I borrow your Mr. Fusion to power my house with trash please.
nomads
What do you mean? Profit has been in command since 1913.... after all the heavy lifting was done and it was safe for the elitist vermin to come over from europe and plunder the place. Greed has fucked up what was a good system.
90 degrees, chest high surf. Prophet? pfft!
yeah, i'm here to leads my peoples.
I'm with that guy that has a boot on his head Vermin Supreme
I like his ideas. Like harnessing the power of zombies to solve our dependency on foreign oil.
Sounds more realistic than the major party candidates, anyway.
"Do the facts detailed above lead you to believe we can return to pre-2007 normal in the near future, or ever?" Of course we will. Isn't the whole point of this article trying to state that everything is cyclical? Quinn, stay on your burning platform please.
everything is cyclical...........for those that live that long
Kondratieff waves between 40 to 60 years
armstrong minor waves at 8.6 years, intermediate at 51 years and Maxima at 360 YEARS!!
"Everything's A Circle" - Captain Beyond
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ger3JEr2Jp4
Quinnbo read that book 14 years ago and has spent every day since trying to make it come true.
Yeah, yeah, Jim...we get it. This is REALLY "it." This time.
Strauss & Howe came up with their theory on generational change based largely on patterns that emerged during 200 years of free energy.
Just say'n
None the less, a cycle based on 4 generations does have a certain logic, the problem is that generations are continuous and not discrete. At some level, it says there will be change, and how predictive is that really...
Moreover, going forward, the only historical era that comes to mind as being relevant is the "Calamatous 14th Century" best viewed through a Distant Mirror...
@ FlakM
Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century is a narrative history book by the American historian Barbara Tuchman ,
a great book that one....... about an epoch and epidemic long, long ago and far far away...peasant revolts, climate change, the advance of islam, the black plague, millions of deaths.............contemporary lite reading for self absorbed peeps.....
I just wonder what we are going to talk about after tomorrow.
the next Star Studded Cabinet appointments?
My money is on the Virginia and Ohio recounts.
If the cities don't burn and Sandy Jr. doesn't provide a photo op, I'm willing to bet we will be discussing our collective hangover.
Circle Jerks- "Wasted" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUt_FJ9lpns&feature=related
2014 Election - It's always an election season!
Talk about anything except giving up drinking
fuu....
We ain't seen nothin' yet.
Here's the deal.
The initial final results will show the Romulan the winner. The incumbent will demand a recount and by Executive Order, appoint a fair and unbiased independent commission to lead such an effort comprised of the SEC, the Southern Poverty Law Center and the SEIU.
While waiting to appoint said commission which will inevitably take time, he refuses to leave the Palace of Versailles.
Meanwhile his erstwhile law abiding freedom loving supporters begin public protests that shortly devolve into a dozen major and 20 more minor cities being burned to the ground amid looting, rape, pillage and associated gentile acts of freedom of expression.
For which all is blamed upon Bush.
Leading to the seizure of all communications, food and transportation enterprises in order to bring order from chaos.
Everybody with a gross unadjusted income in excess of $17,500 and for joint returns, $17,501, excepting anybody on any form of government welfare, will immediately be declared an unholy gazillionaire and subject to all future income being taxed at 75%.
And you wonder what you'll br chatting about?
So bullish?
fuu, I had to tone it down, and that was after the Thorazine enema.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsIgOj68G1Y
"The Romulan" LOL, you're killing me man !!!
For those who doubt generational theory and believe history is a linear path of human progress, I would point to the last week of chaos, disarray, government dysfunction, and misery of those who didn’t prepare for Superstorm Sandy, as a prelude to the worst of this Crisis.
OK, I give up. What did Sandy, or the failure of government to make it all better instantly, have to do with validity of generational theory?
Why must there be a choice between generation theory and "a linear path of human progress?" The only question raised in considering those two options is which is more simple minded.
Mr B, the "Sandy" event showed that most of todays generation will sit back, do nothing, and when they realize they are screwed, their first thought is: "where is the Gov't?" This was not always so. I was raised to look to myself first in a crisis situation, what can I do to help myself and my family. The pictures of thousands of people waiting for the state to "fix" their problems are to me quite alien. Why should some faceless entity be responcible for my well being? This is generational thinking. It was not so long ago that the majority looked 1st to themselves, then to their family, then to a church or community. Most are lost, and look to "someone" to come and save them. We are in no way the country that hung together and helped each other through the depression.
Ultimately, people will be forced to face the reality that they are on their own.
Reality doesn't care about what we think. And delusion only lasts for so long.
"todays generation will sit back"
So a generation is not an age cohort but everyone who lives at a certain time?
"We are in no way the country that hung together and helped each other through the depression."
http://blsciblogs.baruch.cuny.edu/his1005spring2011/files/2011/03/2_great_depression.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Lange-MigrantMother02.jpg/260px-Lange-MigrantMother02.jpg
Lots of anecdotes on ZH tell quite a different story. Neighbors actively helping each other out, not relying on the government.
We are in no way the country that hung together and helped each other through the depression.
"Country" is a metonym. The country didn't do anything during the depression. Millions of individuals helped themselves and others, or didn't, same as now.
The great depression still brought great inventions....chaotic and restless times havent stopped creativity and innovations........http://www.inventionpop.com/1920inventions.html
It is stepping on shaky ground to try counting good or bad times for inventions.
Real question is always what was the alternative. It certainly was not complete stagnation! Maybe with different policy at that time (or before) there would be much more/much better innovation? And how to measure something so unpredictable as new ideas in some parallel history?
my only point was that, contrary to the article, innovation marches forward, regardless of the times.............
The more simple minded one is that which "progressives" believe because it makes them feel good and tingly all over.
In the painting, John Brown's rifle is proportionately larger than 'regular' rifles. Wow, nice to know giantism comes with special 'rifle privileges'.
THIS-
"It is the ultimate rite of passage for an entire people, requiring a luminal state of sheer chaos whose nature and duration no one can predict in advance.”
later that day...
"Winter has arrived. The gathering storm is about to strike. Are you prepared?"
my hippie-dippie aunt (that is drawing a big fat IL teacher pension) called me today to remind me to vote for Obama even though I have presented her many compelling,persuasive argumnets why both of these clowns are scum-which she has agreed with many times before. it was at this point that I realized we are truly on an a road to peredition.
Exaclty! You cannot help people who refuse to help themselves.
sounds to me like auntie has helped her self quite nicely, an illinios teachers pension is effing golden
50 something with a lifetime indexed 80k /year pension plus health care and she can top that up by 30% by going back to work a couple of days per week as a supply teacher
As a victim of the Illinois public education system, I wholeheartedly agree that she helped herself.
I'm just wondering if she helped anyone else along the way.
By default, she helped every dem along the way.
Ballerinas, convicted felons and Kenyan nationals.
Oh, and the Madigans.
People don't even remember voting on principle anymore.
For democracy (especially unhinged democracy like current USA, where Constitution is already powerless) to function at all, voting for your own immediate gains has to be awful. It has to be extremely rude, reprehensible behavior. This way the drive to voting in more and more freebies for your group will at least be curtailed and inevitable slide to decadence slowed down.
Nobody feels there's anyting even slightly wrong in gaming the system for your own side. It's not even pretending to be voting for whole country, just everybody pull to their sides. I vote for this guy because he did that for me, I don't even care to think if it was also right. I'd guess that in USA more than half of all voters are totaly entrenched with dems or reps and have no brakes whatsoever against lawfully looting the other side. In this situation even with only angels as politicians, spending would have to increase at a rapid pace. Any candidate that would dissapoint looters would be the first bum to be thrown out... More spending, take some of it for yourself and bribe large group of loyal voters, repeat each elections and you end up with over 40% spending to GDP and totaly ridiculous debt and even larger hidden debt.
It feels like what I perceive 4th century Rome was like, except on a faster trajectory of decline.
great piece! get yer popcorn ready...
Preferably large supply of well preseverd popcorn...
I am the next Greatest Generation, Bitchez....
A catastrophic natural disaster or series of natural disasters would reveal the fragile nature of our just in time economic system. A breakdown of our logistical and infrastructure systems would lead to chaos and mass hysteria as the citizens who believed their government leaders would keep them safe, secure, warm, and fed realized it was all a sham. Their leaders were in it for the power and riches, not looking out for the best interests of the common folk.
This hurricane sandy thing might have just done it for us, time wil tell. I have a "feeling" this has more to show us. I would venture to say its all down hill from here (rapidly).
Red/Blue aint fixing anything. No one is in control anymore, the steering wheel and brakes are gone.
EDIT: I would place a bet .gov is hiding something right now as far as the real damage this (Sandy) caused....until after the elections, I wonder if either of those guys really do want that job now.
I was reading somewhere today or I heard it on BBG, one analyst saying NYC alone 80b
What they're "hiding" is a resolution that FEMA, etc., needs more funding and emergency powers to handle shit like this.
MIShandle.
Fuck you uncle Janet.
Is that a disloyal reference to the Homeland Security Manatee? By golly, you'd better have your IP address under some smoke and mirrors.
I'm just glad I kept my Romulan Cloaking Device around after Star Trek wore off. I'll RCD my way across the border one desperate night, into a land flowing with cerveza and fish tacos.
I have a working tricorder........just sayin......
mbrbing:
I would place a bet .gov is hiding something right now as far as the real damage this (Sandy) caused....until after the elections, I wonder if either of those guys really do want that job now.
Oh ... BULLSHIT!
Please, tell us just WHERE the news helicopters were not allowed?
(What? The FEDERAL RESERVE gold is gone? What could be worse ...)
I afraid the winter of discontent is upon us, better get prepared the way NY & NJ didn't!
Heard today that 1.4 million are still without power...nice reminder to keep plodding forward with preps.
here's a slicker less accident-prone David Koresh:
YouTube - Mormon Bishop Mitt on the Importance of the Show Me State: Missouri
...
YouTube - Victim of Campaign He Blew his Mind out in a Fridge: Here's a Voter who would not Take It Anymore!
-1 One standard issue FO
Interest income paid to senior citizens and savers totaled $1.25 trillion in 2007. Today interest income totals $985 billion, a 21% decrease in five years. Wall Street bankers needed the money to pay themselves bonuses, so Ben Bernanke obliged.
Fuck you Ben Bernanke.... you have the brains of a smashed Crab, you immoral, stealing criminal asswipe.
And so it goes... Winter has arrived and Ben stole the firewood from the worker/savers and gave it to the margin takers and money changers
“...a sudden spark will catalyze a Crisis mood. Remnants of the old social order will disintegrate. Political and economic trust will implode. Real hardship will beset the land, with severe distress that could involve questions of class, race, nation and empire. The very survival of the nation will feel at stake. Sometime before the year 2025, America will pass through a great gate in history, commensurate with the American Revolution, Civil War, and twin emergencies of the Great Depression and World War II.”
So it was written before the time of facebook, smartphones and reality TV. Now, instead of passing through that great gate in history, we will just sit around voyeuristically peering into each other's shallow personas, playing Angry Birds and watching Dancing With The Stars while this great nation continues its slide.
i'm just gonna leave this here.
2012 presidential campaign cost~$Billions
Stopping Ice Giants: Priceless.
Ooooooooooooooooooooodinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!
Please make t-shirts and bumper stickers.
Sorry, stupid article. I couldn't get past the second paragraph or so. Just dumb.
Your second 'sentence' says it all.
He didn't get it. So... the article is the stupid one. These people vote, too!
Article was fine until author started spewing how FDR saved the day. Yea, fuck off...