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Obama's Victory Is Very Bullish For This Google Search Query

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The query in question? "Renounce Citizenship"


Simon Black's always interesting insights on this 'event' can be found here.


Perhaps the geographical dispersion of those searches will be insightful, if rather paradoxical...


And by targeted MSA:


And as a bonus, another search query just hit a record: Remington 223


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Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:39 | Link to Comment PUD
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no one from the gov was there with a contract for me to sign putting myself under the authority of any gov. they just tell you that you are which is the same as changing your name from Kunta to Toby

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:12 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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You realize that you can make a contract verbally as well as solely through your actions or inactions, right?  I'll give you a few legal terms to look up and let me know how those apply to what you're advocating: ratification and waiver.

Please stop trying to make a legal argument for why the law does not apply to you.  It's wholly inconsistent to on the one hand say that the law is tyrannical and run by sociopaths and then on the other profess to have a legal basis for your sovereignty.  Mutually exclusive.  Either there is a state there with laws or there is not...  if you have the fortune or misfortune of being in that state, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you're subject to its jurisdiction.  You may choose to ignore that jurisdiction and you may not suffer any repercussions from it, but that doesn't change the fact that you're subject to it and simply fighting with reality.  In other words, the state has already contemplated your argument and drafted laws to the contrary.

If you want to discuss your sovereignty, then discuss inalienable rights...  rights given to you by birth without the necessity of a state...  rights afforded to all humans.  However, please do not presume that the law gives two shits about any of this...  it has nothing at all to do with the power demanded by the state.  They are diametrically opposed.  In order for you to have any freedom, you must first cede at least some sovereignty to the state.  This in turn creates the recipe for all of your sovereignty to be taken (and it will as an inevitable conclusion).  The only question is how far along in this process you are born...  Please do not argue about laws long dead...  our system of government was drafted to allow for changes over time.  These changes have occurred.  You're arguing over spilled milk.  Find a different argument.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 17:20 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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our system of government was drafted to allow for changes over time.  These changes have occurred.

absolutely agree, these changes are built in, and still "occuring" - it's how the parasite feeds.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:58 | Link to Comment Sincerely Human
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@ Macho Man

What would be your thoughts about the prospect of Canadians (students in Quebec...) individually having notarized & delivered by registered mail to the Canadian gouvernment as well as the UN, a statement similar to the following:

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 10:38 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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It seems like a really inefficient way to renounce citizenship...  There are probably some pdf forms for that...  and, in all likelihood, failure to follow the procedure set by law would give the government the ability to not recognize your plea.  And, aside from actually accomplishing nothing, it would get you put towards the top of the list for the FEMA trains.

I can't speak for canadian law, but here, the mere "minimum contact" with a jurisdiction will place you under its command.  This doesn't mean that you have to sign something saying you submit or agree...  or anything else of that matter...  hell, traveling through the state may be sufficient (e.g. DWI, auto accident).  The notion of "withdrawing consent" or renouncing citizenship AND still living in the place where you declare that you are no longer a citizen is...  going to fall on deaf ears.  Best of luck.

Practically speaking, you may get to speak to other like minded people through things like facebook and other social networking media, but the actual avenues to accomplish what you're trying to do are...  few and far between and no one really wants to discuss them.  If you're trying to avoid national debt or other liabilities, good luck with that too.  (they're already more than you can pay). 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:55 | Link to Comment bank guy in Brussels
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From the Magna Carta, 1215:

« ... it shall be lawful for any man to leave and return to our kingdom unharmed and without fear ... »

« ... No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgement of his equals ... »

800 years ago and in the meantime they forgot

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:49 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Magna Carta was a scam to strip royalty of powers.
It worked. To imagine it was for the common man is naive.
This entire bi-millenium has been highlighted by people being screwed over by religion/government, one after th eother or worse yet, together.


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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The Enlightment did what it did. It's over. You're flogging a dead horse.

Show me one rich (defined however) person who would say that they don't deserve what they have. One.

Personally, I don't want anything from anyone - I dropped out years ago. Well, I would like to come hang w/you, as I've said before.

The West is so over, philisophically speaking.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:17 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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except by the lawful judgement of his equals ...

as practiced in courts everywhere today...  despite somehow being vaguely unlawful or otherwise not compliant with this provision.  Please take your bullshit elsewhere.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:23 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 Who says you have to Expat to another country? Just buy a big ass boat, and sail the (7) seas. /sarc

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:35 | Link to Comment FrankDrakman
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Worked for L. Ron Hubbard, didn't it?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:41 | Link to Comment All_Is_Well
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He's sharing a landfill with Hoffa........... 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:40 | Link to Comment fuu
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Persig did that for a while.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:14 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:30 | Link to Comment fuu
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Later it was a boat. Lila was all about the boat.

And I junked myself for spelling his name wrong, moran.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:35 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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I totally forgot about that! I ride motorcycles (well, used to), but never had a boat.

I once made a pilgrimage to Montana State, just to see his old classroom.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:44 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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If you ever come to this neck of the woods you can go visit Malcom X's grave, just a bit more than a stones throw from the Babe (Ruth, not the Ox)

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:00 | Link to Comment fuu
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I've been through Bozeman a few times, nice country.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 20:18 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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A strategy that IS WORKING for us both I may add - and whilst you're going about this plan, please learn to navigate WITHOUT electronic assistance. Once "things get interesting" you'll NOT want to be relying on the GPS system will you . . . . .

PAPER charts, Pilotage BOOKS, sextant, PAPER sight reduction tables, and clocks whose rate of gain / loss you know.

And that's all you need. Worked just fine for all the master navigators of yore (and not-so youre too!). Just need practice (and a slide-rule would be useful too)

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:24 | Link to Comment Itch
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Talk about drama queens...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:24 | Link to Comment Lendo
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Numbers don't lie 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:27 | Link to Comment kito
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Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:46 | Link to Comment cowpieflapjack
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Towelheads versus the towel rally at the ballpark.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:53 | Link to Comment pods
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That was just people looking for "Towelie" now that Colorado has legalized dope!

Wanna get high?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:38 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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I don't know what's going on. . .

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:43 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Well - just don't forget to bring a towel.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:03 | Link to Comment JohnG
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It's always the most important and useful travel item.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:29 | Link to Comment 4exNinja
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I totally understand people wanting to leave DC...the rest is just hilarious. Either way, 100 searches are hardly significant.

Also, I wonder how many of those are disgruntled GOP'ers who make retarded statements like wanting to move to Australia...a country with socialised healthcare, a single female atheist prime minister, no guns, compulsary voting, and of course tons of openly gay judges and politicians. 

Having said that, I believe it would be a good thing if those people left the country. They should go to a country that better suits their opinion though, like Saudi Arabia. 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Tod E. Tosspot
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I saw this posted before the election by a lefty friend on facebook. I never heard any pubs threatening to leave for Australia. 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:09 | Link to Comment tmosley
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FYI, it's not 100 searches.  The search volume is scaled such that the maximum value is 100.  They don't reveal specific numbers, to my knowledge.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:29 | Link to Comment HD
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Fuck you America and all your taxes!  I'm off to France!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:30 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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Hehe. Good one.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:51 | Link to Comment 4exNinja
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Your taxes are way lower than in most other countries, and that includes corporate taxes...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:29 | Link to Comment Bastiat
Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:29 | Link to Comment GeorgeHayduke
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Would have likely been the same thing if Romney got elected, just from different people in different areas. I remember this same thing happening when Bush the Lesser won in 2004.

I'm guessing it's hardcore righties doing the searches. I wonder which countries they are considering and if those countries would even consider letting them in or if they might have live as illegals. If my premise is correct I doubt it'll lead to much in the way of emigration and little more than daydreaming as this crowd is notorious for a lot of talk and spectacle with little real action.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:03 | Link to Comment RSloane
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The only person I know of who did actually renounce her citizenship was an extremely wealthy supporter of Obama. She is definately a part of the crowd that's a lot of talk and spectacle with little real action.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:30 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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It would of been bigger if Romney won.

At least the rich people CAN leave.  And they probably should.  Singapore is nice this time of year.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:37 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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Singapore is the same all times of the year, hot and humid. The weather barely changes

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:31 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Same thing happened in November '04, although it was slightly less of a spike.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:31 | Link to Comment odatruf
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I understand the impulse, but still: don't let the door hit you on the ass...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:33 | Link to Comment slackrabbit
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I don't think this is about the election.

It wouldn't have mattered who had won.

I think that now the circus is finally over, people realised what shit the banking system is really in...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:13 | Link to Comment redeals
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For me it just accelerated the timetable.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:34 | Link to Comment gadflew
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Is anyone else seeing copper down 33 pct? That's what Kitco is showing


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:01 | Link to Comment Hi Ho Silver
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Reqium to Recession in D flat maestro.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:04 | Link to Comment slackrabbit
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I'm short copper since feb 2011.

Tiiiimmmmeeee iiiissss ooooonnnn mmmmyyyy sssssiiidddeee!


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:43 | Link to Comment fuu
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With all the new gun sales I would have thought copper would climb a little.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:37 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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 its down 2.6% today what are you looing at?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:35 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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Folks- Starve the beast. Go Galt. Yes, it will be painful but we not escape this without pain. I have done it 2 years ago. Went from paying $97,000 year in taxes to zero. I don't buy anything that's not a necessity. It's not even that painful, it's refreshing. I pulled the cart for many years and the cart got too heavy. If all the hard working talented americans would stop pulling the cart you could make real change happen.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:16 | Link to Comment TideFighter
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Even my kids are waking up to this (finally). They both made big bucks, have big cars, big homes, and a houseful of crap. My grandson probably has $10,000 in Legos, but can't look up at a tree and tell me what kind it is. I paid 200k+ in taxes for years, and I had my aha! moment last July. I was at a boat auction and a 30' Fountain came up for sale, about 100k. It's a fast boat that can make the Keys in a hurry. It was bought with cash by illegals who didn't even have a DL? The 10% cash at the window was paid out of a purse and when extracted also brought out several EBT cards. I also notice a section 8 card (I used to rent out Sec 8) in her purse from our county. I found out later that day that she had three babies at a local hospital all on welfare. They can have their Messiah, I'm outta here. 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:10 | Link to Comment toady
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Going on three years here... It's so much easier than pulling the weight for the 47%.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:40 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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I'm surprised the search terms ``how to be a better slave`` doesn't go up.

Poll: 30% of Americans would submit to TSA body cavity searches In a stunning result, 37% of respondents said they would be "completely willing" or "somewhat willing" to wear the stun bracelet. In addition, poll participants where asked how reasonable it would be for travelers to be forced by law to obey every command from a TSA agent, both inside airport and at other public places. More than half (57%) of those surveyed said such a law would be "completely reasonable" or "somewhat reasonable". More than a third (35%) of those surveyed also stated that it was "completely acceptable" or "somewhat acceptable" for TSA agents to touch the genital areas of air travelers, which is part of the "enhanced pat-down" procedure that the TSA implemented nationwide in 2010. Finally, 77% of respondents said that the TSA was doing an excellent, good or fair job.
Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:43 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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I would tell the TSA dude to be careful I fart really badly when you touch my asshole and I ate a lot of mexican food last night

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:53 | Link to Comment edifice
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I would be careful... They'll disappear you on "bioterrorism" charges.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:44 | Link to Comment PUD
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Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:39 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Sell paper stawks, buy .223!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:01 | Link to Comment CitizenPete
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M43 for me

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:27 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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I would get m855 or a 5.56 round before .223....

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:48 | Link to Comment socalbeach
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One step at a time for me.  With the Dems obtaining or about to obtain a super majority in the CA assembly, my search was,

Brookings, OR

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:51 | Link to Comment Charles Bishop ...
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Chickenshits. SERIOUSLY? what--you think you can disappear? the NSA can find ANYONE. why do you think i went ORBITAL?

Fucking noobs.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:25 | Link to Comment Poetic injustice
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Right right, open your cheeks wider when officer orders you to do so.

Even "Top 10 criminals" list is refreshing somewhat slowly, and you are talking about small person without criminal record, just wandering in mountains or similar areas with low population density.

And what about persons who disappear, why government/NSA hasn't found them being so omnipotient?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:54 | Link to Comment realtick
Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:00 | Link to Comment CitizenPete
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LMAO -- And I just bought more rifles -- I really need a tank!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:58 | Link to Comment pupton
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I renounce my throne!  I am no longer the King of Zamunda!!!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:22 | Link to Comment Dr.Vannostrand
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Ahh, back when Eddie was funny.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:31 | Link to Comment tickhound
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He beat Joe Louis' ass.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:03 | Link to Comment booboo
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On renouncing ones citizenship.

Stick around you pussies, I mean you were part of the problem by thinking the government was there to "secure the blessings of LIBERTY" knowing full well they were doing the opposite so now you can be part of the solution.


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:15 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Would you have stayed and fought in Nazi Germany?

Fuck that. 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:27 | Link to Comment Poetic injustice
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Especially when government makes clear that they don't like your nose/whatever else.
Then staying is more risky option every day.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:12 | Link to Comment Lmo Mutton
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Renounce citizenship=

Fuckin pussies

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:19 | Link to Comment tmosley
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You clearly don't have a family.  Or you don't much care about them.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:29 | Link to Comment booboo
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Sure I do and I didn't raise no pussies. You leaving a few family members behind to fight your battles? "You don't much care about them?"and when it's cleaned up are you coming back?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 17:48 | Link to Comment Totin
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Not much chance that the disease of Liberalism will be cleaned up in our lifetime. The indoctrination of Generation Z is nearly complete. By 2016 the Constitution will be a meaningless piece of paper. This country won't even remotely resemble what the Founding Fathers had in mind. The idea of coming back to a country that has been "cleaned up" will be nothing more than a dream that old men have.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:51 | Link to Comment Grinder74
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Kind of prefer that to fucking asses--unlike King Barry.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:18 | Link to Comment alagon
Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:30 | Link to Comment socalbeach
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Chill out people. This article says they searched for the term on Google, not that they've done or are going to do anything. Prudence requires one to consider all options.

(Once these people realize they will not be eligible for a free ObamaPhone, I'm sure they'll stay.)

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:21 | Link to Comment Aegelis
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Buying your citizenship!  Don't renounce it, make a quick dollar from me and I can use your citizenship to vote in addition to mine for the next election.  It won't go to waste on a D or an R.  Send message for details.  Safe deportation and all the best.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:21 | Link to Comment alagon
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I'm pretty sure Friedman predicted that this would happen. He said that if the government raises taxes on the wealthy, then the wealthy will just leave. Econ 101, bitches. Human beings respond to incentives.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:23 | Link to Comment akak
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What I want to know is, when is AnAnnoyingUs going to renounce 'citizenism'?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:29 | Link to Comment Poetic injustice
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You clearly hate him for his dumpster diving and great work ar Foxconn factory.
P.S. I hope he never comes back, he was too repetitive and boring.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:23 | Link to Comment Cole Younger
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They don't let you leeave unless you are in a foreign ccountry..

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:35 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Well, given that countries are political abstractions, I've never been "in" one my whole entire life. Not even once (not really into hallucinogenics).

Instead all I see are crazy, occasionally armed people who call themselves "the state."

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:04 | Link to Comment redeals
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There are waiting listings of up to a year for appointments to renouce in some locations around the world.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:24 | Link to Comment TWSceptic
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Top query 2016:

'how to survive without food stamps'

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:09 | Link to Comment Matt
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"DIY EBT top-ups"

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:26 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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Sensaional people make me laugh.  Like all those that claimed they'd kill themselves if Obama won, yet they are still alive. 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:48 | Link to Comment Area Man
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I wonder which other country offers comparably low tax rates while guaranteeing a high level of national security, infrastructure, basic healthcare, education, access to a huge homogenous market, low legal obstacles of doing business, a rational legal system.


Having a choice, means having to compare altervatives...


How much extra legal cost bahrain is, if you step on the wrong guy's shoe? Or what kind of business you can start in monte carlo, apart from a yachting school or a casino.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:34 | Link to Comment Darth Mul
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All y'all mothafuckas is bitches, see?  Zombies.  


To wit:


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    Until someone drives a Keynesian stake through the heart of the fear mongering deficit hawks, they will keep returning from their graves to haunt us. The American voters have spoken and they couldn't have been clearer:

    Deficit reduction was the top priority of 15% while economic and job growth was most important for 60%. Hopefully Pres. Obama got the message.

  • Don't you get it? We need to raise taxes when we're talking revenue, but we can print money forever when we're talking funding the wars and buying craptacular mortgage bundles off bank balance sheets. Don't you fucking rubes get it?"????
    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:38 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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    When doves cry.

    Gotta love a person who shows a negative interest rate on a TIP as an example of a crisis NOT happening.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:43 | Link to Comment youngman
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    I bet "moving to Texas" or some other consertative state is pretty big too.....I just did it????

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:48 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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    Fuck leaving, just revolt, bitchez.

    Take back the money supply - Buy Silver.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:57 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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    Oh I thought you meant Frederick Remington

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:40 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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    I think he typically depicted much larger calibers...

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:59 | Link to Comment Steak
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    Howdy ZHers. Its been a while but I wanted to send a little Friday love via a youtube playlist.

    5 hours of music here, some of the finest EDM from this past summer and early winter.

    Happy hunting and may your transition to the weekend be easy breezy.


    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Cypher_73
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    To the "no more biggerer goverment" folks, you're sounding as mentally deficient as "let's move to Canada/Australia to escape socialism" folks.

    Read more ZeroHedge or you're not paying attention.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:01 | Link to Comment ItsDanger
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    Bullish for tax specialists.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:02 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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    I think we just need a fearless champion who can lead the Homeland back to glory - back to the days before the foreigners corrupted it, back to the days when all were united as a single, proud, glorious people.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:26 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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    I do believe you are trolling...

    A little out of character, p'rhaps?

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:37 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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    Yeah. Point taken.

    I've let all this post football defeat angst get to me.

    I'll be happy when it's over. I really hate football.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:11 | Link to Comment Matt
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    The Clovis?

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:05 | Link to Comment Rick Blaine
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    Serious question - where would they go?

    I know we're in trouble...

    I know things have to get worse before they get better in any sustainable manner...

    I just don't see any really good, realistic options for anyone seriously considering jumping ship.

    That said, I will take this opportunity to repeat one of the crazy, off the wall predictions I've been making for a couple of years now:

    At least one U.S. state will try to secede before the end of this decade.

    I'm not saying it's a good idea...but I really think there is a good chance of it before this is all said and done.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:15 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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    Antarctica is pretty undeveloped. I don't know how business friendly the local governments are, though.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:14 | Link to Comment Southern_Patriot
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    Just in case you really have the balls to do it. Step by step for all those sissy's that are going to run. Opposed to standing and fighting for something.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:16 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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    And I know there's someone out there just itchin' to lead all y'all to glory.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 20:30 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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    Ending up as cannon-fodder (whilst some Armchair General gets the "credit") = BAD outcome

    Not ending up as cannon-fodder = GOOD Outcome

    Being a confortably safe distance from the real fighting = BETTER outcome,

    Being said Armchair General (who will be lauded / rewarded with real assets in the future) = BEST outcome.

    Never forget that in ALL conflicts there will be VERY FEW in the last class, whilst the MAJORITY are in the first class.

    Still keen? We wish you luck . . . . . . .

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 18:46 | Link to Comment exi1ed0ne
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    Here's the thing.  I love what the concept "America" stands for.  In my youth I wore the uniform, and the oath I took means more to me than you will ever know.  I have young children now, a wife I love, got involved in local politics, etc.  However, I finally realized the truth - you can't make a frontal assault on ideas.  America the idea, and America the political organization are vastly different things.  Most people either won't or can't understand the difference.  I spent years trying to convince my family and friends about what is coming to pass to no avail.  There is no changing people and what they want to believe, that has to be crushed out of them by getting what they are asking for - more and more government.  The storm is coming, and we all have a choice.  My choice is to trust in God, but row away from the rocks - to save the peices that are in my control, and to pray for the best for everyone else that I love and can't save.  If that is being a coward, then you have no idea what strength is.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:58 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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    LMAO, esp. given what part of Canada that is...

    Only moose and mosquitos the size of pteradactyls are to be found there....

    BTW, its Lord Selkirk....

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:25 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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    People who want to renounce their citizenship because they lose an election are probably not doing the country any good, anyway.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:00 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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    ...and the Patriots that have died fighting and killing the domestic and foreign enemy, that tried to destroy the host of the Constitution, they are your heros right? Hey, where are your heros? Looks like they FAILED! Are you a hero little Miss Rambo? LMAO. Looks like you did not need to leave the country to escape your duty did yuh? Hey, yer not a commie bastard, are you? or just a weak pathetic idiot? Hey man, I'm not buying you lunch if you are. LMAO. 

    Do you really believe that order can be restored with blood in this modern reality? LMAO. The political system is toast and the Jury could not recognize the Constitution if it pointed a gun at their children. Oh, oops, looks like they have thrown them on the fire already. Do you really believe the hearts and minds of the people of ''change'' and ''ZIRP People'' will be won over by Truth and common sense at this point? LMAO. If so, why are you not in jail or dead yet? Is it because yer such a great speaker? LMAO. Come on boy. Divesting, be it leaving the country or just not working and taking gains from fools that are etc..., is pulling the trigger at this point, idiot. Figure it out. Quantify, it's what is for lunch and it tastes like death.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:34 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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    The only way to restore order to a population of delusional and evil bastards at this point, in a, lol, normal, lol, American historic way, lol, is to slaughter as many people it takes. This is not happening of course, yet. Is it because of the modern reality of the general population's fear of local and State level civil war and death? Naa. Everyone loves the troops doing it overseas for this reason right? Change hearts and minds of Antichrist idiots by trying to point the same gun at them. LMAO. So, America is now just like any country, it's corrupt as hell and run by global fascists in American suits and the people are now more worldy and overcome spiritually to the point of this current failure. The spirit of independence is a joke, now it's the spirit of ''you did not build that'' and ''you need to pay for my lunch, education, house, healthcare and pay me not to work the goverment job most Americans have etc...'' LMAO It boils down to, you do not have to shoot the majority at this point, you never really do, lol, you just have to try and stay clear of rounds that go through their skulls when they begin to slaughter themselves. If you are a true American Christian, just stand fast and do no harm at this point and try to keep out of the line of fire of the suicidal fools that now will start to realize their own image will not feed them but kill them. The black hole is now open for buSINess, time for the Great American and Global Tribulation to begin to get real and quick. It's that time and you know it.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:39 | Link to Comment akak
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    I thought you thumpers believed that your "Rapture" was going to whisk all 144,000 of you off to heaven to avoid all the troubles here on earth.  What, having doubts about it now?

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:17 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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    Interesting thought, but no. LMAO. When the dead in Christ are raised from the dust of the Earth, and your dusty ass is alive and sealed in agreement, that Light coming upon you will not be an issue for you bud. LMAO, you will get the picture soon enough, cheese ball, lol, no Saint is lost. The Truth is not a choice ...bitchez. What's up, lol, with that number? Is it during tribulation that everyone is accounted for or not? LMAO. Hmm, wonder why two witnesses would ever need to show up in a Jewish state like Israel, during tribulation? Maybe fullfil something? Hello Elijah, hey, yer not dead yet. LMAO. 144K, hmm, interesting. Wonder what would happen if you divided that number by 12, would there also be any meaning two the whole number or is the math just meaningless. LMAO. Im sure the Jews do not need Elijah to tell them why he's not dead in the streets in Jerusalem yet. LMAO.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:23 | Link to Comment akak
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    LMAO, as it were.

    "MY mythological invisible sky demon can kick YOUR mythological invisible sky demon's ass!"


    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 17:07 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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    I'm sure Mr. Blackhole's people will be preying for you.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 23:54 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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    ah c wut u did thar.          *snickers*

    Sat, 11/10/2012 - 00:15 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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    Thanks man, in advance, I really had fun jamming this in my head.


    Song:   Mr. Blunder



            Mister Blunder

                Ha ha ha 


          that dog don't hunt

           what are you doing

               with those

        feathers in your mouth?


                 You know

    just because escaped  

           the birds of prey

             death for now

              haa haa haa

    it doesn't mean the essence of man

                will not

           make you hungry


                     Mister Blunder                                                                                         

           waking up may seem wrong 

                       when you

           been sleeping in the cold

                        but you

                    can do it now

                        if you

       want to rise up for something better 

                  for being so bold

              better than the night's heat

                 between the sheets 


                   oh come on

                 Mister Blunder 

              get out of the hole 

                   have mercy 

             don't abort the soul  


                     Mister Blunder

                       ...yeah ...ha ha ha    

                 ...Mister Blunder ...Yeah ...ha ha ha

    ...uh Mister Blunder ...Yeah ...Say ...Mister Blunder ...ha ha ha 




    Sat, 11/10/2012 - 00:32 | Link to Comment smiler03
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    Are you Butters, from South Park? I think you might have a twin!

    Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:15 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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    Although I'm not a Christian, I am delighted that you love me enough to deem me worthy of reply.  As a mark of respect for the other regulars here, some of whom are not entertained by your poetry, lemme tell you a trick...

    If you hold down the SHIFT key when you hit ENTER,
    you can save about half the space you just wasted cracking yourself up.

    By the way: this could potentially be funny if you shared which tune you were jamming to.  It doesn't scan as is, and the lyrics don't say anything clever.

    Sat, 11/10/2012 - 00:30 | Link to Comment smiler03
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    + @ akak


    I know you hate me because I'm British but thank you for taking the piss out of this religious fruitcake**. Seriously, it's because of people like him that many Europeans think that Americans are weak minded and also it has a lot to do with how Americans vote, and how they justify war against brown people. There is no point in addressing him personally, he is away with the fairies, blissfully happy, obliviously brainwashed. 

    Oil is made in the Earth. Dinosaurs never lived. Evolution is fake. Earth is 6000 years old +/- 30000 years

    Our Universe is 13 billion years old*, there are 200 Billion* galaxies, each galaxy averages 500 billion* stars, each star averages 2 planets*

    But, "God", he impregnated a virgin, in the middle east, to put his son on this inconceivably small amalgamation of dust when civilisation was at most, 6000 years old. Quite a joker. 

    * almost certainly conservative numbers and rounded up/down

    ** Fruitcakes, they are most amusing

    This'll put me up shit creek on ZH, oh fuck it, what do I care


    Sat, 11/10/2012 - 01:51 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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    hahah, "away with the fairies" - loved that expression, only works when said aloud, accented, tho'

    I like Blackhole's rants, they're quite unique/eccentric - not all of them work of course, but he sometimes hits the high notes. . .

    as to being up ZH's shit creek, it's not so bad to post what you actually think, as opposed to what you want others to believe you think like them.

    it can get very crowded in here. . .

    Sat, 11/10/2012 - 04:27 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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    What are you talking about, I love the British. Last time I was in London, was the first time too. It was August of 2001. Bought beer for some locals until they did not want anymore. Lol. Nice people. They asked me to join them for a smoke in the park after they had their fill. I don't smoke fags, your taste buds are not in your lungs, I like cigars. I noticed when Brits smoke their fags they add flavor that smells like yer at a Deep Purple show. Lol. I musta tripped these soccer fans out on 911 though. They really did not seemed too interested in what I was talking to them about in the park. Like you, they do not care much for Christians like me, telling them about prophecy or anything related to geopolitical stuff and fiscal farts. I did tell them though, that I thought the WTC was going to be destroyed by the same old gang behind the 93 WTC deaths of Americans, and that they would use it to put a force in the Middle East. Kinda freaked them out about, I bet, how I tied other events I thought need to happen, like a real WMD event in NYC going off and how I though something like that would be used to seal the prophetic false peace. Well, you could certainly understand, from their and your perspective, how they only really tolorated a Christian like me because I bought all their beers and was not a complete asshole. Lol. Yeah, bet they might be a little spooked about now, thinking about what I told them before 911 and now looking at what's on the table in 2012. LMAO. I'm sure yer right though, the whole ''counting'' back from 2015, at the end of 120 50 year Jubilee cycles, and the end of that same pattern from 1967, when Jerusalem was resored, and a 7 year jubilee ending making it three ends at the same time, 6000 years from Adam, ... solar and blood red moon eclipses ...Day of Atonement stuff, with trumpets etc..., yeah, just more ''ironic'' stuff for a nutball Christian like mwah. Dipshits like me, we know nothing about pressure, water, heat, carbon, nutrinos, time etc... People like me, just dumb people that buy beers for Brits etc...

    ...lived in Jaopan for a while, went to some of the other Asian countries. Of course I've been North and South of the American Border too. Been to all the States but Alaska. Got stiung by a Man O Ouch! War, that stung like a knife, in Hawaii. Um, I grew up an athiest. Oh yeah, and I'm a Brat. Yah, ymm, best friends, when I lived for a while somewhere, hmmm, let me think, yep, Black White, Pacific Islander etc..., Christian Muslim Jewish. Come on man, the list is huge, I'm old. Lol. Anyway, so yer way more than a bit off. LMAO. 

    You know, I just took a Brit to see all the Monuments etc... drove them up to the Blue Ridge. Had a blast at some local places, for two weeks. This is in D.C. by the way, and believe me, two weeks is not enough time to see everything around here, but I assure you, your countryman had one of the best guides in town. I never met the Brit before they came here for work related stuff. I did not know if they were Christian or not when I met them. That never matters. I don't work, there was no reason for me to even have the oportunity to take this Brit around town. I know people that still do work, I just had the time to do something for the Brit that friends that work can't do. I do stuff for selfish reasons, don't get me wrong, I like to have fun with people in general, even if that is not in their nature. Let me tell you. When they flew back to London, they sent a text. It said, ''America _ _ _K Yeah''. Now that's good work in my book. When you came back from America I bet you were not compelled to say that. LMAO. 

    Nobody in the Fight Club is gonna hit you man, lol, trust me. LMAO.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 22:35 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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    You found your ass? Really? From nothing, you ''found'' your ass. 

    Hmm, the image of God in Christ standing in front of the mirror, saying

    ''My mythological invisible sky demon can kick YOUR mythological invisble sky demon's ass'' your dusty ass offer? No bud, laugh my ass off. Good one. 

    Yeah man, somehow you missed the whole human life death thing and the foundation for you kicking your own ass. Lol. So there's this reality issue, lmao, how do you prove the case for ''being''? LMAO. Please give an image at least, for your dusty ass. LOl. 

    P.S. ...oh, and don't forget to put a dress on Mercy, ...Bitchez. LMAO.

    Sat, 11/10/2012 - 00:06 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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    ahhh, the 12 tribes, divisive.

    • Revelation 14:3–5 (ESV)
    And they were singing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. For it is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. It is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are blameless.

    once again, those virgins that have yet to defile themselves with *gasp* women, those are the lamb followers, the first Fruits.  *nods*

    *phew* eh guys?  doubtful any of you will qualify. . .
    Sat, 11/10/2012 - 01:14 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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    Yeah, 144K, wonder what the ''whole'' meaning of that body is? Lol.

    ZH, hmmm, two letters that ''mean'' something to people that have not learned the Fight Club song? LMAO.


          Don't talk about Fight Club

                    la dee da

            Don't talk about Fight Club

                    la dee da


    LMAO. What's this redemtion ''song'', lol, about Virginity, if we are born screw'd? lol, ...and why is the Bride of Christ not a Drag Queen? LMAO. ''Man'', lol, could use a fig tree about now, lol, just for the leaf on the branch, heard the leaf can heal nations, and something's ''up'' with the branch. Eh, maybe graft that one in the brain at a later date. LMAO.

    Divisive seperation, how is it possible? lol, ...the Truth is not a choice! Oh, so confusing, this 666 buSINess, and out of many one stuff. Who's singing what tune? Lol. 70 virgins for suicide, lol, that's heavy metal. What is that, Lead Zep knock off lyrics? lol, ...and 70 Virgins based on earthly ''knowledge'', lol, that's the image of a reward, lol. Hey, who is this Whore of Babylon anyway, is there 12 tribes, Gates and a 144K for her too? ...or does she have a higher number err somthing? Lol. Redeamed virgins singing as one  whole number, LMAO, so confusing. Lol. Hmmm, maybeeee, if yuh look behind, over the shoulder, through the ...wait for it   ...wait for it  ...window of HIStory, lol. Hey! ...who's the guy offering the kids and apple? That guy is definitely not the Father. Lol, what a ''dickhead''. Yeah, I know, you thought I was gonna say ''White House Window'' didn't yuh? Bla haa haa.

    Sat, 11/10/2012 - 02:13 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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    "Once that you've decided on a killing,
    First you make a stone of your heart.
    And if you find that your hands are still willing,
    Then you can turn a murder into art.

    But you can reach the top of your profession
    If you become the leader of the land,
    For murder is the sport of the elected,
    And you don't need to lift a finger of your hand"

    The Police. . . managed by Miles Copeland. . . who created the I.R.S. label

    Miles was born in London, England, to Miles Axe Copeland, Jr., a CIA officer from Birmingham, Alabama, United States, and Scottish Lorraine Adie, who was in British intelligence. Due to Miles Jr.'s profession, the family moved throughout the Middle East, in particular Syria, Egypt and Lebanon. As a result, Miles and his brothers became fluent in Arabic.

    In 1978 he would be instrumental in getting his brother Stewart's new band, The Police, signed to a major record deal,[4] and in fact managed Sting, another member of The Police, for many years

    there is, of course, much more to this story. . . intriguing choice Blackhole. . .

    Sat, 11/10/2012 - 03:01 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
    BlackholeDivestment's picture couldn't possible imagine, lol. Brits, CIA, people around that speak fluent Arabic, a band etc... Man, if you threw a mission from God in there, lol, and a place like D.C., lol, you could find a story or two I'm sure that would make at least a B movie. LMAO.

    Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:53 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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    actually, I can imagine, and the stories are quite convoluted, almost Hollywood. . . which isn't surprising really, as both ideas are run by the same crews.

    I was raised near Hollywood, and spent a long decade in London, independant music crowd, and watched them get courted and corrupted by the "labels" and their agents. . . I have many stories, the police sting is only one of 'em. . . world's a funny ole place when you pick the scab off the wound, hmmm.

    I think I was right about you, definitely more than meets the eye.        *wink*

    you many be one of the few here that catch the deeper drift ^^

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:34 | Link to Comment booboo
    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:43 | Link to Comment RiotActing
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    GOOD. Get the fuck out. Anyone who thought Romney was going to be any better is a fucking moron and shouldnt be allowed to decide anything further regarding the future of our country. Seriously get out... Ill kick everyone of you in the ass as you leave. It would be my pleasure. Fucking Morons. GET THE FUCK OUT.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:47 | Link to Comment Grinder74
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    Hey idiot, Romney would have been better merely for being a better person.  But if you think there's no difference between him and the guy who:

    - sold cocaine

    - smoked pot

    - stole a social security number

    - claimed to be Indonesian royalty

    - is/was friends with a terrorist

    - is/was friends with a racist, bigoted "pastor"

    - doesn't know the difference between a General and an Admiral

    - doesn't know how to pronounce corpsman or that bayonets are still standard issue

    - thinks a giant muppet is more important than four dead Americans

    - courts the "Hispanic" vote but has no problem killing hundreds of Mexican citizens

    well, you just go right ahead and have fun in your little dumb-ass world.


    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:01 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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    You forgot "world's most bogus resume", but damn fine list.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 17:55 | Link to Comment RiotActing
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    Hey Idiot you know anything about the Romney's and the Mexican drug cartels? No, you obviously dont. Romney is just as big an asshole.... BIGGER, he's had way more reasources to do more damage. A Morman? Thats a cult full of scam artists and brainwashed idiots. Lets put one of them in charge. YOU are the idiot.

    Bain Capitol born out of government loans which he then stuck other people with the debt.... FUCK MITT ROMENY he is an asshole.


    "Smoked pot"?

    Thats a reason for you?

    You ARE an idiot.

    Sat, 11/10/2012 - 00:50 | Link to Comment smiler03
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    I heard from a close friend that a huge amount of "unfriending" happened on Facebook on 7/8th November, even if they were fellow farmers.

    Blue/Red team hatred.

    Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:59 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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    aka "team spirit" - inherent in the game. . .

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:02 | Link to Comment booboo
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    If we are forced to choose between the real deal libtard and one that pretends to be both a conservative and governs left most chose to say Fuck off, I ain't playing and if the idiots continue to do the same in 2016 with Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio (can't qualify under the constitution) you will get the same results. The principled ones said "fuck it, I ain't playing their game anymore"

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 17:36 | Link to Comment redeals
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    You would die in the attempt.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:43 | Link to Comment Grinder74
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    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:58 | Link to Comment patb
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    remeber facebook. Eduardo?


    managed to end up negative broke from that.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:00 | Link to Comment stocktivity
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    Bye Bye...Don't let the door hit you in the ass! We'll all miss you....ha...not!

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:03 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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    Petraeus resigns.....extramarital affair. I call bullshit. He senses the shitstorm and wants out now.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:03 | Link to Comment PUD
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    I'll say it again. You cannot "renounce" that to which you are not contracted. You can "renounce" your democratic party membership unless you signed up to join in the first place. I'd like to see anyone produce a document/contract that shows where you contractually agreed to place yourself under US authority. You can't. Your "citizenship" is the gov construct and propaganda you've been fed since birth. (which by the way you had a right to) (be born)

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:03 | Link to Comment djcando
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    No wonder there are searches for REM 223.  Check out one of the first actions of term#2

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:13 | Link to Comment PAWNMAN
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    "Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions...Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the 'new, wonderful good society' which shall now be Rome, interpreted to mean 'more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.'" ~Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43 B.C.)
    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:47 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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    Scary as hell, isn't it?

     Replay of the election...

    'When you have no legitimate cause to argue, all is not lost.  Abuse the plaintiff.'


    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:58 | Link to Comment Mad Mohel
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    Bu-bye, more Obama phones for the rest of us!

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 17:29 | Link to Comment nestle
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    4 more years bitchez!!

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 17:46 | Link to Comment redeals
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    Sometimes the way to win the game is to choose not to play.

    I choose not to play Obama's game.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 17:49 | Link to Comment CABill
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    What, exactly, are the benefits to being a citizen other than voting (doesn't help), jury duty (not fun), and having a chunk of your overseas income taken?

    Seems it's more advantageous to being a non-citizen than a citizen.

    Fri, 11/09/2012 - 18:19 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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    It's a pain to travel without a passport.

    Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!