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With Over 100,000 Supporting Texas Secession, Ron Paul Weighs In
With just 5 days needed for the Texas secession petition to surpass 100,000 signatories, all is not well with the Union...
... actually, not only are things not well with the Union, things are getting worse by the minute, as American society splinters into diametrical opposites to a degree not seen in decades, a process which in itself virtually assures there will be no cliff compromise before the opportunity cost of ending the stand off becomes far too great. And with the option of the Mr. Chairman "getting to work" to fix things, one wonders - is even the market a motivating enough factor given a 20, 30 or even 50% drop in the rearview mirror: after all as the Fed has demonstrated, there is no need for a fiscal compromise to get the S&P to just shy of all time highs. Certainly, even America's politicians are very much aware of this by now (of course, this assumes that Bernanke is still in charge of the market: something we have claimed for two months is very much in question).
Regardless, with the topic of secession on everybody's lips, here is what none other than Ron Paul has said about this suddenly very volatile issue.
Ron Paul: Secession Is an American Principle
Ron Paul: This weekend I got a couple of calls from the media asking me questions about Rick Perry, our governor here in Texas and the statements he made about possible secession. Now, he didn’t call for secession, but he was restating a principle that was long held and at least in the original time of our country, and that is that there was a right to secession.
Actually, after the Civil War, nobody believes there is a so-called right to secession, but it is a very legitimate issue to debate because all of the states that came into the Union before the Civil War believed they have a right to secede and New England in the early part of the 19th century actually considered it, and nobody questioned them about whether they had the right to do it or not.
Since the Civil War, it’s been sort of a dead issue, but he brought it up. It stirred the media and believe me, it really stirred some of the liberal media where they started really screaming about what is going on here. “This is un-American”, I heard one individual say, “This is treasonous to even talk about it.”
Well, they don’t know their history very well because if they think about it, it’s an American tradition. It’s very American to talk about secession. That’s how we came into being. Thirteen colonies seceded from the British and established a new country, so secession is very much an American principle.
What about all the strong endorsements we have given over the past decade or two of those republics that seceded from the Soviet system? We were delighted with this. We never said, “Oh no. Secession is treasonous”.
No. Secession is a good principle. Just think of the benefits that would have come over these last 230-some years if the principle of secession had existed. That means the federal government would always have been restrained, not to overburden the states with too much federalism, too many federal rules and regulations.
But since that was all wiped out with the Civil War, the federal government has grown by leaps and bounds and we have suffered the consequences, and we need to reconsider this. It’s not un-American to think about the possibility of secession. This is something that’s voluntary. We came together voluntarily. A free society means you can dissolve it voluntarily. That was the whole issue was about.
Just remember one of the reasons that Wilson drove us in unnecessarily into World War I. He talked about what we have to give, have every country in the world the benefit of self-determination, a good principle. Of course, I don’t think he really believed that. But self-determination is a good principle. It’s a very American principle, so to me it’s a shame that we can’t discuss this.
You know, it’s interesting that so many of us have been taught for so many years, and as long as I can remember from the first grade on up taking the pledge of allegiance that we have a republic that’s “indivisible” and we have been preached that and preached it. So therefore, there is no contest, no question since the Civil War that we have even the thought that this could happen.
But you know what a lot of people don’t talk about and they really don’t even know about is who wrote the pledge to the flag. The pledge to the flag came from, for instance, Bellamy, an avowed Socialist who wanted to put into concrete in the pledge this principle of being indivisible, and he did it, you know, for the celebration ironically 400 years of the celebration of the landing of Christopher Columbus, so it was in 1892.
I mean, the pledge of allegiance has not been here, you know, all our history. So I think it’s worth of discussion. I think people should discuss this because right now, the American people are sick and tired of it all and I think the time will come when people will consider it much more seriously is when the federal government can no longer deliver. That time will come when the dollar collapses.
No matter what they do and how many promises they have and how many bailouts they have, they can’t do it if the money doesn’t work. So then, the independence of the states will come back and it doesn’t mean that you’ll be un-American to even contemplate what might have to be done once the dollar crashes.
While this video was originally recorded on 4/19/2009, Ron Paul spokeswoman Rachel Mills confirmed earlier today (11/13/2012) that Ron Paul “feels the same now” about secession as he did in this video.
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First you said: "Seceding? REALLY? How do you think that would work out for you? "
Then: "http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/states-with-most-signatures..."
Finally: "I want my money back. socialists"
So let me get this straight. You are against the secession of a state which, you complain, takes too much in handouts... which it could no longer do if allowed to secede.
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Friend, you ain't got a leg to stand on. Best be heading on back to the HuffPo/DailyKos fusion center for mission debriefing.
North Dakota gets MORE. I think it's because of the fact that it's a big military installation State that's on a border and has little population.
When I'd researched for my State several years back I'd turned up that it paid out something like $1.08 (or $1.14?) for every $1 it got back from the Federal Govt.
But, really, does anyone really need to ask if there could be only a positive flow FROM the Federal Govt? Unless, that is, war bounty was constantly "procured" and distributed (we're kind of starting to move in that direction- can't afford to pay, so that kind of leaves stealing/war).
@BK You're a fucking idiot.....
We succeed, invite China and Russia to have a few bases, gaining lease money in yuan and rubles, fire a few shots at New Mexico or the coast of California, surrender with China and Russia at our backs, and get foreign aid perpetually. It's a tried and true model.
We use the US dollar to buy gold, silver and lead. And it appears, according to the revolution maps, that we would have most of the substantial deposits of those ores. Millions of square miles of land would be opened up for mining, oil, natgas, logging, and power generation.
Foreign bases remaining on our soil will pump our economies higher as the federal government brings troops home from Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Med and hundreds of bases around the world to protect it's frontier. They would be compelled to keep an eye on us rebels.
Naturally, there would be a flood of unhappy people who suddenly no longer receive welfare checks and benefits from the Federal Government. We would ensure that they take their families and all belongings to any remaining federal state that they desire, for free. Once they clear your TSA hurdle at the border they are sure to apply for all your open positions. Retirees will have a tough time, admittedly, at the start. Those that survive can rest assured that there are those of us that will voluntarily write a check to contribute to social security as we build our asset base.
And that outstanding 'odious' debt? Jubilee, baby.
Um, in the video Ron Paul describes how states succeeded from the soviet union. Were they looted like a chinese deli. With all the gun toting red-necks in texas I wouldn't mess with them. Trust me, Texas would not miss being a part of the US, not matter how smart they were for taking money the US taxed from Texas residence.
Do people think federal money is magic. It came from somewhere numbscull, and Texas is a part of where the money was taken. I think you have it backwards, the tax payers are the teat and the federal government is the hooked on their money.
BK: Maroon is a color. Your statement makes no sense at all.
You mean the teats you forced in our mouths?
We'll do much better without them.
If they seceded then they wouldn't have to send their tax dollars to the Treasury, and therefore could keep them in-State to use as they choose rather than have it laundered through the system and getting perhaps pennies on the dollar back on what they sent in.
Your abc liberal news link incorrectly wrote their link. I corrected it to say states-with-most-signatures-to-secede-took-back-their-millions-of-their-citizens-hard-earned-money-and-gave-it-back-to-the-taxpayers/
You see, that is the biggest part of the federal government problem, they keep thinking its their money when infact they didn't earn one penny of it. Its the peoples money and we give it to them in good faith that they will spend it wisely. The truth is my 13 year old son spends his allowance more frugally and wisely then the feds spend ours.
This is when the vultures (the maestroes who orchestrated the economic collapse) come in for the kill. Dirt cheap real estate which will ensure real estate prices remain low. Tax hikes and cuts in an under-industrialized nation will cause great hardship. Displacing residents may result from the use of real estate as collateral for national debt.
From Article: "Greece’s state fund (Hellenic Republic Asset Development Fund or HRADF) now has more than 70,000 state owned properties on offer for investors and it aims to generate 19 billion euro ($24.5 billion) by 2015 via the sales.
The state’s properties include a 119,800 square meter peninsula with a palace hotel complex and a marina, a 450,000 square meter area in Rhodes with an 18-hole golf course and 4 miles of beach, a coastline in Corfu, an airport area in Athens and the 2004 Athens Olympics broadcast centre.
Apart from land areas, Greece is also offering its government buildings. Greece's ministries of justice, health, education and culture are seeking to rent out some of their buildings, and although the country is coping with rampant tax evasion, 13 of its tax offices are on offer for privatization as well.
Last week, Greece completed its first privatization deal by leasing the International Broadcast Centre, used during the 2004 Olympics, to development group Lamda. The group is paying 81 million euros ($104.7 million) to lease the 73,000 square-foot area for 90 years, a price Odisseas Athanassiou, CEO of Lamda Development, said is “fair.”
“The deal made financial sense,” Athanassiou told CNBC, and rejected rumors that the agreement was made to please Greece’s international lenders.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49274065/For_Sale_Greek_Islands_Marinas_and_Tax_Offices
The selling off of state property is not a new thing, or necessarily a particularly radical one any longer. But successful sell-offs in the past have been driven not by need, but by principle: recent sales, indeed, have had a doubtful result for the public purse. The privatised railways in the UK cost more to the taxpayer now than the nationalised ones did. The apparently massive windfall of the 3G spectrum auction, raising €22.5bn in 2000, had a damaging effect on the industry, and the crash had its own implications for the public purse. Sell-offs in search of money are permanent, and the money, unlike a point of principle, can prove elusive.
Still, Greece’s creditors are going to wonder why a foreign government should possess a magnificent palace in Holland Park when communications now mean that everything could be easily run from Athens, with perhaps a floor of office space in Acton. Why not sell consular property, at least? It’s true that not even the most magnificent of it will go far; it’s true that it will involve a nation in terrible humiliation. But every little helps.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/have-the-greeks-lost-their-marbles-again-8163666.html
I don't necessarily believe that the entire aim has been thus as much as it's just about business and usual, greed...
But think about it, TPTB have all the power they have, are pretty damn comfortable and then they all wake up one day and say to themselves: You know, let's just take everything, the status quo is so boring, we just can't wait to see what comes out of Pandora's Box. I'm not thinking that these people are really so gallant as to place their asses on the line for a little blood-letting. I'm NOT one of them, I'm not inside their head(s), in which case I could be wrong...
First thing after the secession is the deportatio of the liberals out of Austin. Starting with the Cal Berkeley crowd at Texas University.
How about them Fightin Texas Aggies! Whoop!
I was going to +1 you unril tge whole "whoop" business...
Gig Em, Ags
Scooby Football for Heisman!
Gig Em, Ags
Scooby Football for Heisman!
R E S P E C T
Texas made a terrible mistake surrendering its national sovereignty in 1845 to the US fedgov.
If Texans had known then what we know now, it never would have happened.
Lincoln's 'victory' in 1865 was illegitimate. No usurper government in Washington DC will ever own Texas.
Interesting history...
http://www.fofweb.com/History/MainPrintPage.asp?iPin=EAFP413&DataType=Am...
The story of Texas independence from Mexico involves both steadily increasing settlement by Americans, who never came to see themselves as Mexicans, and short-sighted policies of the Mexican government in dealing with this situation. Mexico had come to view Texas as a buffer between the United States and itself. In 1821 it started the process of encouraging settlement by granting a large tract of land to Moses Austin. By 1835 there were about 30,000 Americans in Texas, compared to about 3,000 Mexicans. Not unexpectedly, conflicts arose over religion and the status of slavery in Texas. Most settlers were Protestants and not Catholics, and many came with slaves, who had been freed by a decree of the Mexican president in 1829.
Protestants and slavery... I'm hoping that people there have evolved... (BTW - I support secession because I think EVERY state should do it)
I didn't know this stuff! Austin Moses is the namesake of Austin, Texas, right? Texas was, then, effectively given by the Mexicans? And Austin is a "progressive" city? History is fucking bizarre!
Would the states then assume their proportional amount of the debt? As long as the unfunded liabilities were not included it would be a grand bargain!
It's not state debt, it's D.C. corporate debt. D.C. pays no taxes to its host country, USA.
The 16 Trillion Dollar District of Columbia Corporation Debt Is Not National Debt!
The debt of the Federal Government Of The United States Of America Corporation as Enacted is theirs and theirs alone! You Don't Have to Pay on It!
The District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 aka “An Act to provide a Government for the District of Columbia (41st Congress, 3d Sess., ch. 62, 16 Stat. 419, enacted 1871-02-21) is an Act of Congress, which revoked the individual charters of the City of Washington, the City of Georgetown, and the County of Washington and created a new city government for the entire District of Columbia. The legislation effectively merged what had been separate municipalities within the federal territory into a single entity. It is for this reason that the city, while legally named the District of Columbia, is still commonly known as Washington, D.C. However, this act was abolished in 1874, and while the name did not change, the territorial Governor was replaced with a three-member Board of Commissioners appointed by the President. This system existed until 1974 when the District of Columbia Home Rule Act allowed for District residents to elect their own mayor.
http://www.nikolasschiller.com/blog/index.php/archives/2009/01/30/2215/
District of Columbia Home Rule Act - As Amended Through 1997
http://www.nikolasschiller.com/blog/index.php/archives/2011/01/22/7354/
The Stock Share Holders of the Washington D.C. Corporation are alone responsible for the 16 trillion dollar debt, made so by the Act of 1871 and subsequent Act revisions.
It also follows, The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 created a Banking Corporation with Stock Share Holders.
The accumulated debt held on the Federal Reserve Corporation's balance sheet belongs to The Stock Share Holders of the Federal Reserve Corporation, and the owners of its Member Banks, period.
http://land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/federal_reserve.shtml
http://www.llsdc.org/FRA-LH/
District of Columbia Act of 1871 Defacto formed 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPkauG6qE8k&feature=relmfu
District of Columbia Act 1871 De Facto formed 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzmUuKd6ucM&feature=relmfu
District of Columbia Act 1871 De Facto formed 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpMMnJWExNU&feature=relmfu
Speaking of debt, wonder how all the algos are gonna react to wildly popular secession petitions and repudiating "odious" Federal debt along with an illegitimate government? Weeeeee!!
Michaelwiseguy writes:
" It's not state debt, it's D.C. corporate debt. D.C. pays no taxes to its host country, USA.
The 16 Trillion Dollar District of Columbia Corporation Debt Is Not National Debt! ... "
THIS is why people think you're an idiot, when you write things like the above ...
When you include Youtube videos, cites from blogs, but NO cites from books or studied works from the period or since, you're JUST a rabble-rousing populist who would not really seem to know actual SHIT about your subject!
For all we know, you are an escaped nut from the nuthouse!
The states would not only get their share of the debt, they'd pay 7% interest instead of 1%. They wouldn't last long.
"They wouldn't last long."
Neither would the Federal Govt if the States all held hands and walked away...
It's nothing but a mirage. We need to stop believing in the Great Oz.
Reset, bitchez.
You presume that any payment would be made, or that the debt would even be considered legitimate.
Texans aren't too good at math. Multiply by 7 to reflect the interest rate going from 1% to 7%. The Chinese and Japanese aren't buying anymore though, just the Federal Reserve. I used to like to listen to Ron Paul, even though the facts are obvious. Now he's becoming a joke. At least it won't effect our national debt interest for the world to watch this nonsense, but it might effect the stock market. Wait until they start "working" on the debt ceiling again.
If you have to ASK PERMISSION... then we know who is the boss.... enough said! I am solidly AGAINST any state BEGGING ON IT'S KNEES to seceed....
While the quaint texts of the founding fathers might be too highfalutin or esoteric for the Kenyan Keynesian shyster, the UN Charter is certainly familiar to the articulate negro. The RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION is contained therein, and reiterated in every major subsequent Civil and Human Rights treaty of international law. Since the bankers' lawn-jockey-in-chief wants to subjugate the US Constitution to will and whims of the mob of the General Assembly, why not go all all-in?
To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace...
Fuckin-a-right.. You don't ask to secede. You just fucking do it and let the Fed wonder wtf just happened.
Guess I don't have to worry about all this shit in California.
I'm sure you could get twice the signatures on a petition to demand that California be forced out...
Other than the coast, the rest of California is sick of what we have. Check the map.
San Bernardino County is blue because the cities south of the mountains overwhelm the rest of the region.
Better to wait for the coming event that will bring them to their knees whatever it is. When they are telling us we must all pull together now for the the good of all. That is the time to kick em in the nuts and go our own way. Try to keep your children from joining the military unless you raised them for cannon fodder.
"When they are telling us we must all pull together now for the the good of all"
this is no longer possible in the Untied States of Amerika
Let's be clear, they are asking for a PEACEFUL secession. Big difference.
Secession!!!!!!!! LMFAO
Once 22.5 million of Texas's 25 million people learn that secession woud mean the end of the Dallas Cowboys, Houston Texans, and every other pro sports team in Texas, they'll turn their guns on those secession talking fools, and once the seniors find out their SS and Medicare is gone, and the rich folks realize their property they own in the former United States has been seized, secession won't sound so rosey!!!!
Their wouldn't be any trade agreements with Texas, they've got no Navy, but you can bet the US navy would cut the Gulf of Mexico off from any sea lanes for outside trade, no US grain would be sold to Texas, which would starve millions of head of cattle within months, shit I could go on for another hour, but the point is secession is pure dilusion and that script was already tried in 1858, it didn't turn out so pretty for them there confederates, did it???
Cattle eat grass. Corn makes them sick.
The South had excellent military leadership, but had a very limited supply of munitions. That's unlikely the case today, given how we 'clingers' love our guns. There's probably more guns on my block than most Southern counties in 1858.
So yank, you could go on for another hour, but nobody'd be listening, 'cause you sound funny.
and, when the grass dries up, and the Korn stalks too, why, it's CANDY on the menu!
http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/10/news/economy/farmers-cows-candy-feed/
Although the only clown sounding funny is you, I am curious if you guys in Texas REALLY believe you could take on the US Military, it's special forces, and it equipment in a military confirmation??????
It's one thing to be all fired up about Obama being reflected for 4 fucking more years, it's another to think you can succeed from the Union!!!! If you ever wanted to know what it felt like to be those poor Afgan and Iraqi idiots, who thought they would "fight" the invasions that where ordered under your Texan brother Georgy Bush, you sure as shit would find out quick!!!
You actually think that your neighbors 7.62 is going to stand up against an apache helicopter and 50 caliber rounds and bigger??? Jesus, go for it boys, it will be the best entertainment on CNN and Fox News for years!!!!
Another stupid person who spends too much time in a bubble. The South far and away the largest chunk of the US military. 30% ish of the population, but 42-3% of the military strength of the country.
http://prhome.defense.gov/RFM/MPP/ACCESSION%20POLICY/PopRep2010/summary/summary.html
2010 DoD analysis of the US military. Look at Section 2, Active component Figure 16. Look also at figure 17 showing enlistment rates by state and Figure 18 showing where they are recruited from- urban representation in the military is minimal and they don't go into combat units when they do.
I don't think it likely that the small town/rural white males from the South and non-coastal west that make up the bulk of the US combat forces are going to want to fight Texans, and you effete urban types are dangerous to yourselves with a weapon in your hands. The Northeast is hugely underrepresented in terms of population. In Appendix D Historical Tables look at Table D10- the South has less population than the Northeast but has 3.5 times the military representation.
See also Appendix B Active Component- Tables B20 and B21 show the percentages of combat troops by race in each military branch. Hmm what ethnic group is greatly underrepresented in combat troops and equally overrepresented in administrative jobs?
Contrary to Hollywood and media spin, combat soldiers are overwhelmingly white and most are small town/rural types. I do not think it likely they are going to fight their own at the beck and people of people like you.
By the way, its "secede" you fucking idiot.
My apologizes on the one typo, I'm sure it never happens to someone as brilliant as you......however I was asking a serious question?
I'm not disputing your "white male" superiority of numbers breakdown, my question is, how do you boys picture this going? You think Fort Bragg is letting those Texan boys walk off the base with DOD property, weapons, ammo, etc????? Even if 100% of the Texans, who are active duty, went AWOL and abandoned their post!!!! Are you telling me their going to attack their brothers in arms that they just fought in Iraq and Afghanistan for the last decade, and try to "take" those bases???
I mean its comical to say out loud, but it appears by the passion out there and this thread in particular, it needs to be asked??? If it just fantasy, then keep up the bullshit fantasy talk, but if your serious, what's the plan??
>> Are you telling me their going to attack their brothers in arms that they just fought in Iraq and Afghanistan for the last decade, and try to "take" those bases???
Actually that;s exactly what happened in the Civil War. Veterans and comrades from the Mexican War commonly found themselves on opposite ends of the battlefield.
You really dont understand us. We are Texans first, then Americans.
Where is the oil going to come from to fuel the US military?
What troops would the federal government have left to field- after defections, the urban pacification/homeland security in the "blue" states, and defending its supply, transportation, and communication lines?
WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Kuwait, Iraq, Afganistan - entirely different models than another war between the States.
My apologizes on the one typo, I'm sure it never happens to someone as brilliant as you......however I was asking a serious question?
I'm not disputing your "white male" superiority of numbers breakdown, my question is, how do you boys picture this going? You think Fort Bragg is letting those Texan boys walk off the base with DOD property, weapons, ammo, etc????? Even if 100% of the Texans, who are active duty, went AWOL and abandoned their post!!!! Are you telling me their going to attack their brothers in arms that they just fought in Iraq and Afghanistan for the last decade, and try to "take" those bases???
I mean its comical to say out loud, but it appears by the passion out there and this thread in particular, it needs to be asked??? If it just fantasy, then keep up the bullshit fantasy talk, but if your serious, what's the plan??
Your rabid anti-Texan and anti-southern raving only confirms Texan and Southern suspicions of the (usually unspoken) bigotry of Yankees and, in fact, makes the case for secession that much the stronger - with countymen like you, who needs enemies?
And that is the crux of the anti-secession hysteria - libtards cannot have it both ways. Either they like and appreciate their countrymen, or they don't, and as signs indicate the latter - yesterday I personally heard "Yes let them all go, then kill them, we got smart-bombs!" from an Obama voter - it is logically inconsistent or else morally indefensible to demand they be made to stay. So, which is it?
My suspicion is the latter. If liberals were honest in their anti-secession, anti-Texan, and anti-Southern howlings, they would be inconsistent - their dislike for Texans and Southerners is a documented and easily confirmed fact, they are not facing the prospect of losing beloved friends and kinsmen.
One might get away with saying that it is really schadenfreude, that liberals are indulging in the misery of their opponents - and, in not-uncharacteristic, sociopathic fashion, attempting to ensure more misery by preventing any escape. But this is naive, because liberals are politically sophisticated children. I believe that, deep down, many of them know just how awful this country has become and just how much worse it will become - "whocouldanode?" - but simply cannot stand the notion of letting erstwhile fellow-sufferers go their separate ways. Because misery loves company. No, because it's only FAIR.
(FORWARD!)
17 million gunowners can make an occupying army's life an utter hell. We have the talent, and chemical knowledgebase and industry to start cranking heavy weapons out in a matter of weeks. Nukes ... probably a year.
This ain't Iraq. This isn't Afghanistan.
Don't forget that nuclear warheads are assembled/dissassembled at Pantex which is in Texas.
"Cattle eat grass. Corn makes them sick. "
Yes. And Yes.
BUT... plenty of CAFO operations down there. AND, from what I hear (from folks I monitor), lots of hay being trucked in as a result of the drought.
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-environmental-news/water-supply/as-dro...
It's from 2011. I think that 2012 has also been really bad. Oh! And note that they complain about the prices of corn (ethanol- I've spent plenty of time demoting it).
As you say, "Corn makes them sick." But the industry gets around it by time-to-market and antibiotics. At time of butcher industry cattle are really couldn't live much longer. Who are the folks who have all that clout with corn? (and look up Earl Butz's responsibility for promoting HFCS).
Like the "yank" or not, SUN TZU would warn about not understanding your enemy. The Federal Govt (I'm up north, and I take no ownership of the word "yank," that was political jargon) seems to have control over stuff that makes bigger bangs than what folks on your "block" may have. Although I've been known to outrun a cop of two in my past, I knew that you cannot outrun a radio- communications (look up in the sky) provide all the advantage. (BTW - be sure to speak clearly so that they don't have to come ask you in person what you're saying)
How about we just refloat the battleship Texas. You can help us test her 16 inch guns. We fire a salvo up your ass and you can explain how we got no navy Yank
Pantex nuclear weapons depot. If you think we aren't watching that you are smoking dope.
Nuclear Texas is not an impossible future.
Agreed. Asking permission, presumes some social hierarchy, and lack of private property.
Fuck permision, give them the bird, and make them come take it. Just make sure they shoot first this time....and obtain video evidence FFS.
TO ARMS, BITCHEZ! TO ARMS!!!
Alright, boys, grab your rifles. We're gonna go bring democracy to Texas and get 'em back in the Union. Now who's with me? Democratize and free the shit out of 'em. Guys? ... Guys? /Sarc
Cut your consumption in half.. Declare your own solvency.
Live debt free.. anywhere you want..
If TX leaves the union, I'm leaving for TX!
If you wait until then it will be too late. The first thing we'll do is seal the borders.
No yankee riffraff allowed.
You will have room for one fonzannoon I hope.
Fonz and Ned both ;-)
In a somewhat related matter...its come to my attention unions were keeping non-uniion linemen & electricians out who drove up there trying to help out, regarding getting ALL the lights back on...you heard anything about that?
Funny you should say that. I saw it last night. Awesome. Just awesome. Crews coming up here being told to kick 20% of their pay into the unions health plans. So the crews outside of here told Nassau county to go scratch their ass.
I am certain LIPA will be gone in a year. I am also certain the feds will come in and install LIPPA in it's place.
Thats what I heard...22% and then incidental one's and three's and quarter percents along with it.
They basically wanted anyone doing hurricane relief (that was from a non-union state) to sign a damned extortion contract...unreal.
Glad you made it through to the otherside bruh.
Thanks a lot man. The unions here need to get thrown into the same group with the bankers and they all have to go down. Corrupt SOB's all of em. People here are so ignorant.
Here is a vid I saw today. This is about 15 minutes from me. It's a barrier Island. I used to go surfing right there when I was younger. I take my daughter there most weekends in the summer. If you see the rocks in the ocean thats where we would enter the ocean. The boardwalk is gone now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgU2AEa9pCE
and here is sad music to play while you watch. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMHRq7yGdkA
edit - to anyone wondering why I can make jokes about a place so close to me getting destroyed it's because all of our insurance policies will go up to pay for them to make it just as it was. Until the next storm. Yup, because it's not about me surfing there, it's about people needing to live right freaking there.
Prior to 2004, I paid about $700 a year for homeowners insurance with a $500 hurricane deductible. It is now $2000 a year and the deductible is now something like $10,000.
You can blame the million dollar bonus for the CEO's & board members of the insurance companies for that, which directly goes right to Wall street culpability.
We're kinda used to em down here. I know it would different if we got hit with a snow storm (in comparison) because we're not ready for those one off's like that.
We get a good freeze where a few bridges ice over and its like the worlds coming to an end...lol.
Our problem down here is we (inland) don't like the idea of our insurance rates skyrocketing to compensate for millionaires living on barrirer islands...its a mess, insurance wise.
Take care.
Open the hatch Hal, let me in!
I don't know about you, but no one is getting past my roadblock unless they can sing the Rodeo Song.
"Fonz and Ned both ;-)"
Gold holders to the front the line. All others piss off. :o)
even if i agree to live in odessa?
Holding a TX BC is going to be like having a handfull of gold... ;)
If they bring their own gold and guns I say it's okay to let them in.
I'm rather glad to be a lifelong resident of a state in the middle of the corn belt, the nations basket. A state that typically dislikes further and further federal legislation and control of our own state.
I'm rather glad to be a lifelong resident of a state in the middle of the corn belt, the nations basket. A state that typically dislikes further and further federal legislation and control of our own state.
Wonder if we need a passport?
The guy must have monsterously big guardian angels to still be alive at this point.
Hundreds of thousands, actually.
the reason secession didn't stick the first time was the States had a little problem. There was no way to peacefully divvy up the western territories between North and South. Lincoln understood that if he allowed the South to secede, the US would have to fight a war with a much stronger sovereign nation a year, two years, five years down the road over their shared 'inheritance'.
This time the circumstances are completely different. Not that I think it's a serious threat, but nations have agreed to split apart without violence before now, Sweden/Norway, Czech Republic/Slovakia. The North and the South have always been two separate cultures, goes all the way back to where their immigrants came from within the British Isles and the different reasons why they came here.
Its a long held principle, even enshrined in the first words of the Declaration of Independence...
"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth..."
In the first words of what??? Is this "declaration of independence" akin to the mystical document I've heard mentioned here, "the constitution?"
mythical documents, why they are entirely invisible to certain Ivory League gradz.
I think they really exist. I know someone who swears that he's seen them.
Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
You seem to be referring to the 'mystical' toilet paper of the Bush Jr. White House?
I signed the petition, go ahead and strip me of citizenship I never requested in the first place....if I am exiled, please let it be to TEXAS!
All my ex's live in Texas. Bitchez.
Bearing giftts? Are you by chance a Greek or of Greek descent budd? Oh, and speaking of productivity, exactly WHAT do you do for a living? Cause if you are a banker or a trader or even a regular petit bourgeois shmuck that is trying to strike it rich, the point becomes moot and academic.
You are welcome to come at any time TIS.
Getting rid of Texas would result in the single highest increase in the standard of living in the US since WWII. One can only dream, though. I'm afraid we are saddled with Texass until the next real Civil War. (Many people don't know the neutron bomb was invented to fix Texas).
I'll fix it for you, since you are apparently to busy lusting after roads to consider such minor details as how to fill your gas tank.
Getting rid of Texas would result in the single greatest decrease in the standard of living in the US since WWII, which is precisely why Washington will do everything in its power to prevent such a development.
I am from Slovenia. I give you instruction for free.
Cheers
traction, traction as the big picture says time is now!
http://www.naturalnews.com/037963_Texas_secede_independence.html
wish, think, war of values come to fuition.
listened to RP 48 minute good fucking bye speech and was thinkg if only
people could link cause effect. but may 3/4 in tx have some semblance
of thought to understand what is at stake...
Ask Atlanta how well this worked out last time.... everything burned to the ground including crops, adult men all imprisoned, women all raped, etc.
don't forget, the commander in chief acdtually has about 10 military bases in Texas.
forget, hell
Should Texas be attacked by the US, it would indeed be unwise to fight the pawns of tyrants. It is better to fight the tyrants themselves.
The zero squads were busy that stormy, revengeful night. Very busy. The final tally was thirty-one senators and seventy-four representatives dead. Twelve cabinet heads dead and the entire Joint Chiefs were also wiped out. A few zero squad members made it out of Richmond to rejoin the eastern-based Rebels. Most died in shootouts with the police. Only one zero squad member had not worked that night of terror. He slept soundly in a motel room three hundred miles from Richmond. He had only one person to kill.
Secession is a right!
Just stop paying federal taxes. Let the Federal Reserve Bank fund the bloated, overbearing pig that the federal government has become.
4th generation Texan here. I'll never leave. And this talk should be taken seriously...
Maybe there is hope and we can move to Free Texas!
Texas better hurry up if they want to try. Within 10 years, max, the state will be blue. Some think is could turn blue by 2016. Then, forget about it. It's interesting bar room talk, but that's about all.
Oh, and I'm from SC, and we know a good bit about secession. It's a discussion that has never gone away.
Now that the fedgov is obviously bankrupt and desperate, secession becomes more feasible.
Reneging on their share of US debt means any states that can escape the blue eagle's claws become rich overnight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Eagle
Job #1 is to divert all wage withholding to state capitals -- starve the 666 BEAST in Washington DC.
Especially if the state's bank issues its own currency and holds it notes.
Unconventional political alliances are the best weapon against elementary divide-and-conquer politics, as they turn conventional paradigms on end and diffuse the traditional weapons of argument. Cash-flow positive energy independence and a treasury which can support a reasonable long term safety net are an inducement Washington cannot effectively offer at this point.
Blue in 10 years? Dude, in 30 years Texas will be part of MEXICO.
certainly seems to be part of the long-term agenda, given that George P. Bush is throwning his cap in the ring,
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/us/politics/george-p-bush-ex-president...
but of course, no one ever thinks long-term. . . blindsided.
Biology doesn't have an "agenda." The biology is the real issue.
well, control of biology is certainly an ongoing desire. . .
Politicians being what they are, can't expect them to ignore a rapidly-growing part of the electorate.
Now that marijuana's legal in a couple states, you should soon start seeing efforts made by local politicians to court the stoner vote.
aye, the "stoner vote" should prove interesting when it comes time to man up with the weaponry. . . but it's only now being made legal in order to fill in the missing revenue gaps, as I'm sure you're aware. taxes, licenses, blahblahblah. permission slips.
as to politicians going with the electorate, given how far back this agenda stretches - RayGun, Moral Majority, etc. - it's an agenda, and the purpose is divide and rule, within the "electorate" - they're no closer to getting their wish list than they ever have been, even with the dumbing down of folks in general.
but it's interesting to argue points and watch the absolute avoidance of topics, here. controlled opposition, indeed.
Wait a minute...
Texas is part of the United States?
I say good riddance! Problem is, Texas will never be able to get off the federal government tit. She sucks on it harder than most other states. Backwards fucks can have a wonderful new nation without science. Jesus can even be on your new flag.
so much anger from a man holding his smaller than normal penis. Sucks to be you I bet
The degree to which Texas would miss the other forty nine is only exceeded by how little the other forty nine would miss Texas. The only portion of the current US that overestimates its value to the Universe more than Manhattan is Texas.
They ain't laughing with you. Godspeed and all that. Be sure to write.
THIS. This is why I wrote in Ron Paul. Bravo, sir.
Because he gets good weed?
Go Galt!!
Exactly. I already Seceded.
I propose the CSA (Central States of America).
The confederacy bitchez, with AK, WY, and MT. And WV this time. Fuck Northern VA.
Nah, WV seceded from the Confederacy and are hopelessly dependent on federal money. Cut off Northern VA and go with the original Confederate states and it would be a winner.
3rd Manassas would fittingly be fought right on top of that other CIA annex and several other monuments of the fascist federalist DHS CoG infrastructure.
You have friends in MT.
And Inland California
sounds racist to me
wha'choo talkin' bout, hillary??
This is getting serious. About 675,000 have signed secession petitions by now. There is a backlash - petition to exile those who signed secession petitions.
A recent rush of petitions to the White House’s website from anti-Barack Obama partisans hoping their states will secede from the U.S. has produced its first backlash: online petitions asking the Obama administration to exile anyone who signed them.
Two such petitions launched Nov. 12 in the White House’s “We the People” section.
“Mr. President,” reads one, “please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported.”
“Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America,” reads the other.
Petitions representing 49 of the 50 U.S. states are now pending on the White House’s website. As of Tuesday afternoon, Vermont was the lone holdout.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/13/anti-secession-forces-fight-back-with-white-house-deportation-petitions/#ixzz2CFCi7QNb
If they sneak back in do they get free health care, food stamps, phones and housing ?Or is deported code for disappeared ?
I saw a few others, but my memory of their wording may be a little off:
"Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that you're the boss and the constitution isn't"
"Create a new Pledge of Ollegiance, and deport everyone who won't say it like they mean it"
Let those PUZ's come and try to exile us. The petition was created by those with EBT cards and Obamaphones who DO NOT want the status quo end. However those of us who ACTUALLY pay for those Obama phones have had ENOUGH!
Who's had enough? China?
Let's see... If we get deported are we still considered the IRS's worldwide tax slaves? Hmmm .... Can we take our shit with us?
Depending on the answers the petition (to secede) may result in the most humane punishment ever meted out by Uncle Sam Obamney.
You can't legally be deported if you're a citizen, but given that you have no habeas corpus claim if you're deemed an "enemy combatant," it doesn't really matter much.
Make new friends in Gitmo and start digging a tunnel to the "free" land of Cuba, or maybe launch a raft seeking haven in Haiti.
Deport my ass first..
I'll buy me one o' them Greek islands.
Or two..
The stars at night , shine big and bright, deep in the heart of Texas......
Hit it, Pee Wee!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QltlctqfY4E
God they rarely let oil nations halfway across the world make a move. Wonder what they'll do with a state that has the stuff
Stage a false flag attack on LA and Invade.
so you're saying there's an upside?
All that slow and low brisket, duh.
;-
A true Patriot who values individual liberty which is the only foundation a lasting country can be built on. He will be missed and sadly vindicated by histroy.
Yeats' truisms becoming more true than ever:
Turning and turning in the widening gyre ...
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, ...
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity. ...
Before secession, Texas should at least attempt nullification and/or interposition of federal laws. I mean, if you're going to do something you may as well do it right.
That would be ironic, everyone expecting Europe to break up only to see it happen in the US first
Europe actually likes socialism, though.
Obama's rout of Romney is proof it's pretty popular here as well.
Only with the members of the Free Shit Army, though. Those of us working to pay for the free shit? Not so much.
Europe will break first. For the ball to really get rolling politically in the US there needs to be a collapse, and that's still 3-4 years off.
God knows how ugly the plans waiting for that crisis look like, though. I'm guessing full on communism from the left and full fascism from the right.
This will be a good excuse for Ben to default and Schummmmmer can start spending into oblivion again
Weeeee
I've got a better solution.
How about we jail Ben Bernanke for his intentional destruction of the US dollar policy. Directly, he has committed perjury in stating he was not monetizing the US debt. I believe today with the extension of operation twist we can call that lie out without fail.
If that isn't a better step then having every other state secede the union then what might some of you suggest.
GTT bitchezzzzzzzzzzz!!!
Fine, bye Texas. You'll be part of Mexico in a year.
It'll be great, Holder will give them all the weapons they can carry.
For frrrrreeeeeee!!! ;-)
Didn't he already do that? Just sayin.
lol...if Texas becomes a part of Mexico (as the above posits) it'll be F&F II ;-)