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With Over 100,000 Supporting Texas Secession, Ron Paul Weighs In
With just 5 days needed for the Texas secession petition to surpass 100,000 signatories, all is not well with the Union...
... actually, not only are things not well with the Union, things are getting worse by the minute, as American society splinters into diametrical opposites to a degree not seen in decades, a process which in itself virtually assures there will be no cliff compromise before the opportunity cost of ending the stand off becomes far too great. And with the option of the Mr. Chairman "getting to work" to fix things, one wonders - is even the market a motivating enough factor given a 20, 30 or even 50% drop in the rearview mirror: after all as the Fed has demonstrated, there is no need for a fiscal compromise to get the S&P to just shy of all time highs. Certainly, even America's politicians are very much aware of this by now (of course, this assumes that Bernanke is still in charge of the market: something we have claimed for two months is very much in question).
Regardless, with the topic of secession on everybody's lips, here is what none other than Ron Paul has said about this suddenly very volatile issue.
Ron Paul: Secession Is an American Principle
Ron Paul: This weekend I got a couple of calls from the media asking me questions about Rick Perry, our governor here in Texas and the statements he made about possible secession. Now, he didn’t call for secession, but he was restating a principle that was long held and at least in the original time of our country, and that is that there was a right to secession.
Actually, after the Civil War, nobody believes there is a so-called right to secession, but it is a very legitimate issue to debate because all of the states that came into the Union before the Civil War believed they have a right to secede and New England in the early part of the 19th century actually considered it, and nobody questioned them about whether they had the right to do it or not.
Since the Civil War, it’s been sort of a dead issue, but he brought it up. It stirred the media and believe me, it really stirred some of the liberal media where they started really screaming about what is going on here. “This is un-American”, I heard one individual say, “This is treasonous to even talk about it.”
Well, they don’t know their history very well because if they think about it, it’s an American tradition. It’s very American to talk about secession. That’s how we came into being. Thirteen colonies seceded from the British and established a new country, so secession is very much an American principle.
What about all the strong endorsements we have given over the past decade or two of those republics that seceded from the Soviet system? We were delighted with this. We never said, “Oh no. Secession is treasonous”.
No. Secession is a good principle. Just think of the benefits that would have come over these last 230-some years if the principle of secession had existed. That means the federal government would always have been restrained, not to overburden the states with too much federalism, too many federal rules and regulations.
But since that was all wiped out with the Civil War, the federal government has grown by leaps and bounds and we have suffered the consequences, and we need to reconsider this. It’s not un-American to think about the possibility of secession. This is something that’s voluntary. We came together voluntarily. A free society means you can dissolve it voluntarily. That was the whole issue was about.
Just remember one of the reasons that Wilson drove us in unnecessarily into World War I. He talked about what we have to give, have every country in the world the benefit of self-determination, a good principle. Of course, I don’t think he really believed that. But self-determination is a good principle. It’s a very American principle, so to me it’s a shame that we can’t discuss this.
You know, it’s interesting that so many of us have been taught for so many years, and as long as I can remember from the first grade on up taking the pledge of allegiance that we have a republic that’s “indivisible” and we have been preached that and preached it. So therefore, there is no contest, no question since the Civil War that we have even the thought that this could happen.
But you know what a lot of people don’t talk about and they really don’t even know about is who wrote the pledge to the flag. The pledge to the flag came from, for instance, Bellamy, an avowed Socialist who wanted to put into concrete in the pledge this principle of being indivisible, and he did it, you know, for the celebration ironically 400 years of the celebration of the landing of Christopher Columbus, so it was in 1892.
I mean, the pledge of allegiance has not been here, you know, all our history. So I think it’s worth of discussion. I think people should discuss this because right now, the American people are sick and tired of it all and I think the time will come when people will consider it much more seriously is when the federal government can no longer deliver. That time will come when the dollar collapses.
No matter what they do and how many promises they have and how many bailouts they have, they can’t do it if the money doesn’t work. So then, the independence of the states will come back and it doesn’t mean that you’ll be un-American to even contemplate what might have to be done once the dollar crashes.
While this video was originally recorded on 4/19/2009, Ron Paul spokeswoman Rachel Mills confirmed earlier today (11/13/2012) that Ron Paul “feels the same now” about secession as he did in this video.
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Not likely. Throughout history Texans have volunteered more for U.S. military service than any other state. And we have the largest population of veterans. We also lead in private gun ownership. 2+2 still equals 4.
Conquer Texas? Better be prepared to nuke us.
Population of Texas: 25,674,681 Mexican Immigrants: 2,339,715
Population of Mexico: 112,336,538
And private gun ownership of citizens in Mexico is illegal...they gonna storm over the border and take it with rocks?
"Population of Mexico: 112,336,538"
Yep, that's about how many guns we have. Probably at least 10 billion rounds of ammo. I'm still just not seeing a problem here. :o)
And anyone who wants to stay affiliated can walk back to DC from Ft. Hood.
Safe passage, no problem but we'll be keeping "the stuff" ;-)
I am affiliated with the Bears and we're really, really pissed that you guys had to go and mess up our quarterback. Really. Uncool.
Im stealin' one of your cows.
We're all Texans now!!!
(I'm in Fla)
Oh I'm so sorry.
;-)
+1.
No you're not. You'll do it again i bet.
seriously, good game. The best team won.
Right now, Montana has a higher percentage of its population in military service than Texas does. So does Oklahoma, Hawaii, and Alabama.
Interesting, got a good source for that? Not some unsourced article making cliams, but hard data?
BTW, if the folks in Deecee was smart, they'd hand all this succession stuff over to Biden and let him deal with it.....
LOL
http://mikephilbin.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/max-keiser-predicts-civil-war-...
Max Keiser predicts civil war in American before April 2013.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR-FC7sUrHM
High level insider : DHS preparing for massive civil war
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/7/the-civil-war-of-2016/
The Civil War of 2016
U.S. Military officers are told to plan to fight Americans
http://www.wwaytv3.com/2012/11/13/secession-petitions-gather-support-nc-...
UNCW sociology professor Dr. Mike Adams says the movement may be a glimpse of what is to come.
"I don't think that this particular petition drive is going to result in anything," Adams said. "When people ask if I take this petition seriously, no I don't. It's a foretelling, though, of things that might be taking place later on."
Adams says when the south seceded from the union more than 150 years ago, it took a while for traction to build.
Its not just the South...its up to 43 states now...
"As of 12:46 am, Sunday, signatures obtained by Louisiana 7,358; Texas 3,771; Florida 636; Georgia 475; Alabama 834; North Carolina 792; Kentucky 467; Mississippi 475; Indiana 449; North Dakota 162; Montana 440; Colorado 324; Oregon 328; New Jersey 301 and New York 169. Many more States are expected to follow."
http://www.dailypaul.com/262715/15-states-start-petitions-to-secede-from-the-us
It's 50 states and 675,000 signatures by now:
By 6:00 a.m. EST Wednesday, more than 675,000 digital signatures appeared on 69 separate secession petitions covering all 50 states, according to a Daily Caller analysis of requests lodged with the White House’s “We the People” online petition system.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/14/white-house-secede-petitions-reach-660000-signatures-50-state-participation/#ixzz2CFKYyZDv
Out-fucking-standing...cells in all 50 states.
Wait...I said "cells" and now I see headlights coming down the driveway...be right back ;-)
wow, it's like the 70's all over again!!!
Symbionese Liberation Army bitchezzz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Patty_Hearst.jpg
yep, there's the door, brb.
Now there's a blast from the past...Patty Hearst & Stockholm Syndrome.
And of course, her gazzilionaire Pa, the Father of Modern Day Yellow Journalism ;-)
it's a powerfull twisted symbol of a lot of things isn't it
Balkanize bitchez!
Montana now at 12,280 signatures. Revolution 2013, bitchez.
Nope you are all missing what will happen. The same thing that happens all over the world. The Government gives orders to the army to"restrain the people" and the army turns to the government and says fuck you we are a takin' over. You clowns hit the fucking road. I think they call it military rule. Coming to a country near you soon.
first they let you go shopping for guns & ammo, spending into the economy/elections. . . then they let you volunteer your signatures on petitions to leave the Home-land (as defined by NDAA, secretly). . .then. . .
oh yes, things are continuing to ratchet up, notches. *nods*
Sounds like Ron Paul is no fan of Abraham Lincoln!
To this day, every Southerner has Sherman's march to the sea tattooed on his soul.
No amount of propaganda from shills like Spielberg can ever whitewash Lincoln's war crimes against America (which killed a quarter million honorable northern soldiers too).
The Obamabots still think Sherman is a hero.
I am from the north but still find the American love story re: Honest Abe to be absurd. First, he was a racist. He is well known to refer to African American slaves as "The Smartest of the Barnyard Animals." I am sorry to say that, and it disgusts me, but Lincoln said it - and meant it. Lincoln actually supported slavery and believed that slave holders had a constituional right to their 'property'. Meanwhile, the rest of the now 'civilized world', as DiLorenzo rightly points out, seemed to be able to end slavery without destryoying 1/2 their nation and keep them at a lower standard of living to this day.
Imagine Greece, today, saying they wanted to succeed from the European Union and having the President of the E.U. say, "Nuke Them." That was the equivalent of the March to the Sea. It was an awful, disgrace from a presidents who had only one goal which was to consolidate as much power as possible in the Federal Government.
Read "The Real Lincoln" by Thomas DiLorenzo and find out what Lincoln was all about. Or, you can find out about him getting shot in the theater ghost-written by Bill O'Reilly, but do you really think he spent a moment on that? 15,000 books have been written on Lincoln.
I'll tell you one thing - Lincoln and Obama have a few things in common. 1) Neither has tried to help the African American community in any way. 2) Both have pissed off enough people to make them want to leave the union. 3) Can't mention 3rd.
The Civil War resulted in the death of over 600,000 Americans (out of population of 30,000,000). So, it killed 2% of our entire population. That would be like a war today killing 6,000,000 Americans. Let's hope our dear leader can make some intelligent decisions before anything like this can happen. We don't need more wars.
BTW - Obama's on his way to Russia. I guess it's his time to make good on his promise. We'll see what that might have been. This man needs to be impeached before his 2nd term. I wonder how badly Texas would want out if Obama was gone?
3) Secretly fond of men.
I said it!
Congratulations. Btw-Those nice gentlemen @ your door are not selling time shares.
Can I have your 4Wheel drive F350 diesel? You won't be needing it.
The Roswell Women & Children, one instance...we will never forget...
"You all have probably heard of the Trail of Tears, when the Cherokee Indians were sent from North Carolina and Georgia to Oklahoma by force in the 1800's.
You may also know, especially if you are from the South, of the great devastation and death caused by the Civil War, and how people's homes were burned or they were forced out of them so that they could be occupied by the Union army.
But very few people know the story of another forced exile and a different kind of devastation caused by the Civil War in Roswell, Georgia and the former town of New Manchester.
In 1864, at least 400 and possibly as many as 700 mill workers, nearly all women, black and white and their children, were arrested as traitors and shipped North by force, and very few of them ever made their way back home. Those husbands and sons who made it through the war returned home to Roswell to find their families gone, and no way of knowing where."
http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Civil-War-Exile-of-the-Roswell-Mill-Women&id=6218595
Goddamned Yankees
I hope you're kidding BF, otherwise you are playing right into the hands of the elite and the bankers. Divide & Conquer is as old as time.
Why waste precious tax payer money on 1.6 BILLION HP rounds when you can have the idiots use THEIR rounds to kill each other off?
1861 Redux
can I weigh in with a drone?
YouTube - Adventures of the Open Road: Hamas Tough Guy Ahmed al-Jabri has a Hot Date with a Drone
a bang of an ending...
Secession = Divorce. When you read the arguments about why people can't seceed, ask them why a man and woman can't get divorced. "To preserve the Union!!!!" yeah right.
Lincoln = wife beater + wife raper + wife murderer.
Hey, i wuz tryin' to 'preserve the union'!
You forgot American Murderer, Congressman Imprisoner, Railroad Corporation Lawyer, Racist that planned to deport all blacks to "Linconia", and inflationist.
100,000 out of a population of over 25,000,000. Big whoop.
Here's some food for though for all these independent minded Texans......are you ready to take on Mexico alone? They still remember the Alamo, and they have a pretty big underground already in place ;-)
In fact, I'll bet you that Mexico would help finance the session campaign for Texas, especially if they could get Arizona to join in.
My money's on Texas. Texas may invade Mexico.
They will only need about 20 go old boys to do it
Texas could also sent 20 good old boys to france greece and italy ot take over there too
President Perry would probably give Texas its fair share of the nukes as part of the separation agreement.
President Perry? are you kidding me? He's a joke. Don't show your ignorance.
Talking about ignorance, I got news for you: without a teleprompter / speechwriter they all are. RP is the exception.
President Perry's a Bilderberger. you might want to familiarise yourself with what that entails.
edit: and all the downvotes in the world won't change facts, nor will it prevent the incoming agenda - Perry's been in office for how long? dudes, embedded, like a tick)
They have a name for us, Los Diablos Tejanos. Well earned.
At the Battle of Salido 200 Texans defeated 1600 Mexcian Army. Nothing has changed.
If there were a conflict Texas would literally get millions of volunteers from the rest of the South, Mexico wouldnt have a prayer.
yea right!
texas would TRADE with mexico.....you know like before benefits were invented...
In other news, Israel confirms imminent drone strike on the State of Texas due to its continued and outspoken support of Iran, Syria and Egypt.
occupytheparties.org, dismantle the party machine, incorporate the bitches.
Maybe you mean "incarcerate"?
If at first you don't secede, try, try, try again.
signed the Oregon secession petition yesterday - - -
V.
The names on the petition will be a good place for the Feds to start when they're looking for people to throw in the FEMA gulags.
At this rate, they're going to need bigger gulags ;-)
I signed mine "Ben B."
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions
so far nothing about auditing and/or abolishing the federal reserve
no mention of haarp or chemtrails or tsa or HFT or exchangeStabilizationFund or auditing fort knox or withdrawing from NATO or withdrawing from IMF. no mention of ndaa or assassinating us citizens. no mention of eliminating income tax and/or IRS. no mention of birth certificates or college records or passport(s).
better take down the petition site before people start petitioning for too many things they aren't supposed to.
Yup. And those who post here on ZH are already pretty high on the list, too. Write to me from the gulag, folks! I'll try to smuggle you some chisels in your gruel.
CaptainObvious ==
Like your post here on ZH .Oh wait guess you are high on the list too.So who will bring the chisels now.Damn now what?
Assuming FEMA could actually organize a gulag.
They would have to close it when it rains.
a camp staffed with TSA screeners...HA
So slavery is an American tradition as well?
Can Mississippi petition to bring that back?
Spielberg, is that you? LOL!
The Civil War was not about slavery, you dolt, it was about states rights and economic suppression of the South by the North. Crack open a history book not written for public schools, whydoncha.
Where did I say that Civil War was about slavery, you dolt?
I'm saying that if something is a tradition that's been around since the Constitution was drafted, those states that joined the Union under those conditions should be able to open those traditions up for discussions.
That's Ron Paul's argument, right?
No, because Ron Paul is a libertarian and would never accept doing harm to others. You used a typical straw man.
So slavery is an American tradition as well?
Can Mississippi petition to bring that back?
Hmmmm...
I don't think slavery should come back.
But if it did, in the Republic of Texas, I would be highly motivated to move myself & my money there so as to purchase or capture forcefully Liberals as slaves. Austin would be a target-rich environment, I beleive.
Rest assured, I would be a harsh master, as I beleive in Karma.
KEEP AUSTIN WEIRD.....not enslaved!
Too bad Mitt was so arrogant (or bought) that he totally blew off this good man... might have made a decisive difference in the election of the Kenyan moron coward crook. there were plenty of great bedrock issues he could have added to the platform... instead he suffers a historical humiliating loss... if ya can't beat this cretin, you must be a real asshole.
Before seceding, Texas needs to kick that SOB Perry out... Dewhurst too... and put competent people in... Like Ron Paul...
Ron Paul, president of the Texan republic please. If that happens, I move there.
Agreed, Perry is an asswipe.
President Ron Paul, I like the sound of that. Might even move to Texas if that happened.
Perry is an absolute embarrassment,somewhere in between Moonbeam and Bloomberg.
Perry will have credible and serious opposition in 2014 -and it won't be Ron Paul - trust me -I'm a Paulite -and a republican political activist -and I know- no further comment. .
Savy:
With no ill-feelings to you, and as a formerly life-long Republican, will you give the R Party a message for me next time you're activating?
SCREW YOU, REPUBLICAN PARTY....especially the TX delegation! (I live in E. TX)
From me, too. I was a life long republican. On election day I voted for Gary Johnson then went to the DMV and registered Libertarian.
I'm looking forward to the day the republican party dies. I'm figuring somewhere around November 2013. Democrat party...I'd like to see them go too, but not with as much vengence as I do the republican.
Long live Ron Paul
"..not only are things not well with the Union, things are getting worse by the minute.."
Yep, that's precisely what you sign up to with Govt ..it sure sucks doesn't it?
Stop Paying Tax ...tell the suckers where to get off
Secession might actually make America stronger in the long run by making each state responsible for its own successes or failures. People on a state level will therefore be much more careful about their electoral choices and politicians will be much more accountable.
All that will be needed to be in common is a reasonably sized army.
Escape from the USSA! Under the right president, it might just be possible. But if you had a president like that in office, would you be able to get a majority in favor of secession?
Man I wish Americans would had chose Paul over the two loser Obama and Romney. I guess when the collapse does happen the 70% that do not read and believe everything the corportate media tells them will wake up.
Man I wish Americans would had chose Paul over the two loser Obama and Romney. I guess when the collapse does happen the 70% that do not read and believe everything the corportate media tells them will wake up.
In the 4:40 required to watch that video Ben's monetized $4,320,987.65 or so.
I just want to say your new avatar makes it more difficult for me to find you comments....but I'll adjust.
Better?
THAT'S the one I remember. Doesn't mean I can't adjust, though, so no need to change just for me.
Long Live the Lone Star Republic!
Succeed and I will move there in a second along with 50% of this country.
Two things -
First off if the president was "empowered" to strip citizenship in this manner it becomes very easy to remove constitutional rights.
E.G. declare person x a non-citizen
Invade their home etc without any worry of probable cause.
Detain without charges and trial indefinitely.....
Second, some of these people might actually WANT to be stripped of citizenship as it is getter harder and harder to voluntarily renounce.
This could be a "fast track" to expatriating!
Ahh, but we already have that in place. It's called "NDAA 2012".
It was originally called the PATRIOT Act. They had to make a few changes because of some PR problems, so now it's back in amended format.
Randian Filth are eager slaves to the statist pigs .... they always bail them out ! Governor Moonbeam got all his new taxes ! Go figger ? Pardon my French, go fegro ! Expel California from the Union !
I don't live there anymore, but can we use this momentum to kick Rhode Island out of the Union? I mean, will anyone miss it? The first city to go bankrupt was Central Falls. Do we really need a city where 3/4 of the adult males are named Vinny? Rhode Island is sick and weak. The whole tiny state is the equivalent of a cancerous teste. It needs to be amputated. Let's give it to China or something, they deserve it.
Anybody willing to sign my petition?
Sorry, dude, the Mob needs RI for staging operations...
Dude, sorry someone from RI porked your wife, but jeesh, get over it. With about 1M people it's not worth it, although I'd be pissed if some guy named Vinny nailed my wife.
All-Right /All-Ready... Long live Ron Paul. Move along....
Why in th fuck can't California secede? It have virtually nothing in common with the U.S any longer. Get rid of that cancer.
Kalipornia has the "porn" industry! My business is almost complete with that "shit hole"!
The parasite never willingly secedes from the host, that's why.
Wait...... will Texas still collect $6 billion for the 4 million (highest in the union) they have collecting food stamps if they leave the union?
http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/15SNAPpartPP.htm
http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/17SNAPfyBEN$.htm
SNAP would be canceled. Too fucking bad
The answer is no dumbass. Here's a clue for you since you are clearly clueless:
Those are the 4 million people that the Texans WANT to leave.
Get it????
Thank me later.
I'm not for food stamps. just making a point. 1 out of 6 in Texas are on food stamps.
Where do they spend that union money?
Those are votes bought and paid for bubba.
FDR did the same thing. Rather than spend relief money in the poor south where black sharecroppers were literally dying, FDR chanelled most of that New Deal money to the mid west to capture Republican votes.
So the whole, Texas should be thankful thing kind of falls apart doesn't it? This is a ruthless knife fight over the corpse of America, there ain't gonna be any winners.
1862 Electric Boogaloo
Texas wouldn't miss their food stamps, social security, military jobs, federal jobs, none of that. LMAO! Deep in the fart of Texas. They've been trying to steal our water for years. Personally I would love to seal the border at the red river bitchez.
Food Stamp, SSi, SS would leave. Make room for those not on Government support, looking for opportunity.
Military pensioners? Federal pensioners? Federal employees? Oh, they'll do well. :roll:
I would rather you seal it SOONER than later....get my pun?
Love,
A Texan
Secession - Right idea, wrong scale. Vote with your feet IF you feel you can get a better deal personally somewhere else. Ultimately, land is just a property asset that can be rented, bought or sold. As a human being you have the right under Natural Law to relocate to where your Liberty and Industry is best respected.
Look, if the elites that own government in a particular locale are getting too arrogant for your taste, pack your bags and move. E.g. Detroit, California, Queens, etc. Quit your whining and do your homework.
2012 Index of Economic Freedom - http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
You have Canada just to the north ranked 6th and Chile ranked 7th at the other end of this hemisphere.
Instead of focusing on what is not achievable and potentially very bloody in terms of outcome such as secession, do what is achievable for the most people - advocate that the productive and producers move to create new opportunities for wealth creation that will not be subject to the confiscation by moochers.
Sooner or later the competition to attract the productive will lead to a new paradigm among the nations of the world to lower the legislative bar on meddling in the daily life of the productive.
Too much work to move. I'm hoping this old body gives out and I just croak. That's my retirement plan.
"Look, if the elites that own government in a particular locale are getting too arrogant for your taste..."
Yeah, that used to work. However when the mafia owns the government of the nation merely moving within the nation solves nothing. You're still dealing with the Mafia. I don't do crime, I don't cheat, I don't lie (I tell 'stories'), and I have, and am, worked(ing) my ass off in the higher lower middle class.
No matter what there is going to be a great deal of blood spilled within the next couple of years. It is already a certainty due to the actions of both the FED and the Federal Government. Once the dollar collapses, and welfare/social security/SSI/EBT money stops...that will be the true zombie apocalpse that has become a recent meme.
Our cities are filled with people that have no self-respect and, as a result, absolutely NO respect for anyone else or their property. As far as they are concerned my groceries were bought for their consumption because I owed it to them. That's whites, blacks, latino, asian.....all with the common denominator of arrogant ignorance.
We'll either face that hoard one at a time, alone or with a limited pool of neighbors, or we snatch the dressing off all at once to let the pus and slime flow until clean blood appears.
I've always preferred snatch.
Yen Cross .... we meet again ? Happy day ! War, riots, secession, uprisings .... these are a few of my favorite things ! Blood drops on bayonets .... la la la ! www.trololololololololololo.com
Indeed. Imagine the odds?
Pretty good .... everyone knows you've been stalking me !
I'm stalking "mini Monedas", for a new liver! [ your emoticon]...
you guys old lovers or somthin?
Oh good, if Texas leaves, will it shorten the drive time from New Orleans to Phoenix?
No, but you'll be able to drive with open containers and loaded fire arms .... you will enjoy the drive more and it will seem shorter !
Good luck in Phoneix Save on gas you fucking asshole!!!!! Suck the goverments ass!!!!!
it's now 103,000 petitions...f'king unreal!!
it will go parabolic
How will 2/3rds of the Country fit into Texas? Maybe buy some Real Estate now to beat the crowd.
Count me out, I've been there. :ick:
You already said it, no water no state.
Everybody should read The Worst Hard Times for an understanding of what is about to hit. It's about the dust bowl that virtually erased a large part of the mid west. That damage is still there, lying inches below a well irrigated surface, and the aquifer that underlies the region is about to fail. Read the book.
remember T. Boone Pickens & the Ogallala Aquifer?
http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/2012-08-10/growth-will-follow-water
pile on in everyone, the water's fine!
The first time I played golf on natural grass in an utterly unnatural environment was at the Dubai Creek Golf and Yacht Club in the summer '94. Beachez & Nukes, Bitchez! In the absence of nukes, oil works fine for powering desalination- just ask the ass clowns on CNBS about domestic oil consumption in KSA (hint- it's not for air conditioning).
Fortunately, I have family there with land, cattle and oil wells on the range. But, good idea, beat the rush. I would be torn, I like the water, green and geography where I am at. Would prefer my state secedes too. We have the petition going. A cause I can sink my teeth into?
Funny as shit. Lincoln a dumbass white guy from Illiinois freed the slaves and crushed the south.
Obammy a dumbass black guy from the same state makes us all slaves and now he is going to have the same problem
The irony!
Yeah ! Fuck Illnoise !
Reverse Slavery actually. The people that work support those that do not work.
Texas already has an embassy in London. The Brits must giggle at the prospect of the USA falling apart
http://www.texasembassy.com/
Fuck the Brits ! All they want is cheap cotton .... they don't care who picks it !
God bless Texas for electing Ron Paul.
Let the morons in TX leave the Union. See how long they survive. BTW, secession of any state, is a stupid idea.
Why is it stupid? There are many countries existing today with a fraction of the size and population of individual states.
Imagine 50 newly independent countries without an illegitimate overlord.
People suffering from NIMBY say stupid and desperate things, lest they have to build windmills or oil refineries in their own back yards.
Keep drinking the Kool aid.
You meet all the criteria for being a statist pig .... where do we send your Miss Piggy mask ?
I think the secession talk is mostly just hysterics from folks who are still sad about the recent electoral defeat, but if ANY state of the union is in shape to secede, it would be Texas.
Time to take it back.
Wouldn't it make more sense to fix the country than secede from the nation? Yeah, I know it sounds cool - "in yo' face Washington", but think before you act. Let us for a moment presume that Obama and Rick Perry sign some kind of emancipation document and Texas is set free. Then what? Oh, you want to bring oil from Canada to crack? Sorry, no pipeline unless we get 90%. Don't like that? OK, you figure out how to get oil from Alberta to Houston economically. Don't like China stealing your jobs. Fine, they'll just move to Mexico. Oh, and Venezuela's army is likely larger than your National Guard, so you would need to beef up your defense spending.
Yes, there's a lot wrong with the USA, but really, you cannot simply pick up your marbles and go home. There would be war.
You're about 50 years too late. It's clear no one is interested in fixing things.
You're about 50 years too late. It's clear no one is interested in fixing things.
Ummm... the Constitution says secession is legal. That's enough for me.
Which part of "the debt of the nation is mathematically impossible to repay" do you not understand? I'll be glad to explain it with charts in pretty colors if you need it.
Those pussies would rather cut and run every time.
You obviously never heard of the Alamo dickhead!