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With Over 100,000 Supporting Texas Secession, Ron Paul Weighs In
With just 5 days needed for the Texas secession petition to surpass 100,000 signatories, all is not well with the Union...
... actually, not only are things not well with the Union, things are getting worse by the minute, as American society splinters into diametrical opposites to a degree not seen in decades, a process which in itself virtually assures there will be no cliff compromise before the opportunity cost of ending the stand off becomes far too great. And with the option of the Mr. Chairman "getting to work" to fix things, one wonders - is even the market a motivating enough factor given a 20, 30 or even 50% drop in the rearview mirror: after all as the Fed has demonstrated, there is no need for a fiscal compromise to get the S&P to just shy of all time highs. Certainly, even America's politicians are very much aware of this by now (of course, this assumes that Bernanke is still in charge of the market: something we have claimed for two months is very much in question).
Regardless, with the topic of secession on everybody's lips, here is what none other than Ron Paul has said about this suddenly very volatile issue.
Ron Paul: Secession Is an American Principle
Ron Paul: This weekend I got a couple of calls from the media asking me questions about Rick Perry, our governor here in Texas and the statements he made about possible secession. Now, he didn’t call for secession, but he was restating a principle that was long held and at least in the original time of our country, and that is that there was a right to secession.
Actually, after the Civil War, nobody believes there is a so-called right to secession, but it is a very legitimate issue to debate because all of the states that came into the Union before the Civil War believed they have a right to secede and New England in the early part of the 19th century actually considered it, and nobody questioned them about whether they had the right to do it or not.
Since the Civil War, it’s been sort of a dead issue, but he brought it up. It stirred the media and believe me, it really stirred some of the liberal media where they started really screaming about what is going on here. “This is un-American”, I heard one individual say, “This is treasonous to even talk about it.”
Well, they don’t know their history very well because if they think about it, it’s an American tradition. It’s very American to talk about secession. That’s how we came into being. Thirteen colonies seceded from the British and established a new country, so secession is very much an American principle.
What about all the strong endorsements we have given over the past decade or two of those republics that seceded from the Soviet system? We were delighted with this. We never said, “Oh no. Secession is treasonous”.
No. Secession is a good principle. Just think of the benefits that would have come over these last 230-some years if the principle of secession had existed. That means the federal government would always have been restrained, not to overburden the states with too much federalism, too many federal rules and regulations.
But since that was all wiped out with the Civil War, the federal government has grown by leaps and bounds and we have suffered the consequences, and we need to reconsider this. It’s not un-American to think about the possibility of secession. This is something that’s voluntary. We came together voluntarily. A free society means you can dissolve it voluntarily. That was the whole issue was about.
Just remember one of the reasons that Wilson drove us in unnecessarily into World War I. He talked about what we have to give, have every country in the world the benefit of self-determination, a good principle. Of course, I don’t think he really believed that. But self-determination is a good principle. It’s a very American principle, so to me it’s a shame that we can’t discuss this.
You know, it’s interesting that so many of us have been taught for so many years, and as long as I can remember from the first grade on up taking the pledge of allegiance that we have a republic that’s “indivisible” and we have been preached that and preached it. So therefore, there is no contest, no question since the Civil War that we have even the thought that this could happen.
But you know what a lot of people don’t talk about and they really don’t even know about is who wrote the pledge to the flag. The pledge to the flag came from, for instance, Bellamy, an avowed Socialist who wanted to put into concrete in the pledge this principle of being indivisible, and he did it, you know, for the celebration ironically 400 years of the celebration of the landing of Christopher Columbus, so it was in 1892.
I mean, the pledge of allegiance has not been here, you know, all our history. So I think it’s worth of discussion. I think people should discuss this because right now, the American people are sick and tired of it all and I think the time will come when people will consider it much more seriously is when the federal government can no longer deliver. That time will come when the dollar collapses.
No matter what they do and how many promises they have and how many bailouts they have, they can’t do it if the money doesn’t work. So then, the independence of the states will come back and it doesn’t mean that you’ll be un-American to even contemplate what might have to be done once the dollar crashes.
While this video was originally recorded on 4/19/2009, Ron Paul spokeswoman Rachel Mills confirmed earlier today (11/13/2012) that Ron Paul “feels the same now” about secession as he did in this video.
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Map of the Alamo "shoot-out"... Battle of the Alamo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Battle of San Jacinto.
Like the Southern Territory, " Take OVER?"
I'll bet those who died at the Alamo would be proud of you cowards now.
Buzz. I agree with you :-)
When the going gets tough Texas will be, er, going. Not good americans at all. Disloyal, weak, I know this for a fact. ;)
Buzz, "real traders" have thick skins. You do/ ;-)
Far better to cut the rope than to go over the cliff with the Northern and Left Coast states.
Don't miss Texas too much. You can go hang out at Possum Kingdom Lake listen to The Heathen's and drink some Shiner Bock or Lone Star and eat some ribs and brisket or Tex/Mex and as long as you behave no one gets hurt and all will have a good time.
I essentially argued something similar. I am not sure secession is practical. Debate? Sure, why not.
The first ASSUMPTION is that the government/constitution isn't hopelessly fucked up. Actually, there is nothing wrong with our current constitution, except that we don't follow it anymore. Not sure how starting over changes that.
The issues that would have to be dealt with, cohesively, includes, but are not limited to, a new central bank, a new money system (if its gold and everyone else was fiat, it would crush exports, no?), a new military, land/personal/mineral/water rights, guns, religion, taxes, spending, and so on. Yeah, everyone will get along and have the best interests at heart.
What happens to all the vets who expect their checks from Uncle Sam? Seniors and SS? Folks on SNAP? Military contractors? Corporate head quarters (Dallas has the highest per capita of corp HQs in the US) and tax implications?
My mind boggles at the idea.
I think Texas would be much worse off, even if the US allowed it, because most people today lack the types of qualities necessary to partake and contribution to forming a new state. It would be too late once folks realized it.
Regards,
Cooter
Why would you assume Corporates belong to US? When were they nationalized? Also assume U.S. allows. Did the Brits "allow" the American Colonies? Everything seems impossible right up until someone does it. You know what they say about assuming.
President Theodore Roosevelt in 1906:
Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people [corporate monopolies/trusts]. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.Politicians have the responsibility and obligation to their constituents to follow moral and just path. When they do not, this is what happens to a country, I believe.
Well said. The first thing a state should do to prove they are serious is kick out the pieces of shit that wear ties and drive nice cars that call themselves elected officials.
That's probably the least thought out analysis I've come across on ZH in quite a while.
Shattered Union anyone??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4GMPTMiFQ4
Texas is Israel .... the rest of the country is Gaza !
FOAD
Texas is the Taiwan of the Western Hemisphere.
Treason
If at first you don't secede, try, try again!
This time the plan should be to first elect a president who is sympathetic to the idea of secession. Easier said than done!
Now that we have removed the formalities. Happy Turkey Day!
Happy Texas Barbecued Turkey Day !
Secession Fever .... Catch It !
So many ways I could go with that comment.... ;-}
Are you deep frying your turkey in oil, again ?
Turducken Bitchez
Ron Paul for President of Texas!
If the EU can fall apart, why not us too (the U.S.A.)?
I personally would much rather follow the trajectory of Iceland than the EU.
"I personally would much rather follow the trajectory of Iceland than the EU."
Which is much easier to do when you have your own independent country and a unique monetary system. So, in order to "go Iceland", we'd need to secede first.
'til death do us part.
that this issue is open for discussion shows how deep the divide is in USA..the left wants diversity well this breakup will give them that in spades..how far this will go who knows..black swans flying across the land oh sorry those are DHS drones..one fed up citizen harassed by some TSA goon too many times and a spark ignites ..I would never thought I could come to the point where the USA is the biggest threat to my family ..It is the dark of the SUN..and criminals rule the people.
Can I get to Texas in my boat?
"Can I get to Texas in my boat?"
Sure, we've several deepwater ports, and if you're coming from the north (say...Oklahoma), check out some of the really nice marinas and resorts on Lake Texoma. It's been really dry here lately, if you're arriving from exactly due South, a boat won't be needed, but please wipe the mud from your feet after you cross the Rio Grande.
Wow. That soundes like such an existential journey of the soul. Are you the boat? Adrift? Seeking the Texas within? Sail on brother/sister. Sail on!
Wow, a whole 100,000 out of how many millions? This is a game-changer. MANDATE.
It's called Google. You can search for stuff like "population of Texas". Or, you can just show your lack of knowledge and intellect; and mock the manifestation of a collective complete disgust with the direction of the union of nations that we call the United States.
1/3 of 1% of the population is 100,000 people.
In regards to Texas- 100,000 signatures were collected without the backing of any major political party in FIVE DAYS. In Switzerland (with 1/3 the population of Texas) the threshold for such a measure would be the collection 100,000 signatures in EIGHTEEN MONTHS.
Methinks they could scrounge up another 200,000 signatures in a lot less than 17 months 25 days, at which point they would have met the threshold in the most advanced and sophisticated direct democracy in the world.
If TX got out and moved towards freedom, I would sell everything, pack my bags and move there, leaving the wasteland of fascist Ireland behind,
If Dr Paul was President, I wouldn't even wait to sell everything, I'd just grab a backpack and go, immediately,
Cattle, oil, BBQ & Liberty,
Now yet talkin baby!
Cattle, oil, BBQ & Liberty,
ie: sex, lube & eats for free.
Of course lube. Be kind to the cattle.
The Wind That Shakes The Barley.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460989/
First item of business : Stop sending money to Washington and apply for foreign aid !
Acceptable payment must be in gold
This petition stuff is fun.
http://wh.gov/X4fF
just a few more signatures to go, lol
Long fences.
Now all the 'wombat' liberals run to Texas, and cluster-fuck everything!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLQ7klqYE_4
Barack Fuck ! You're not losing Texas .... you're gaining Puerto Rico ! Pwerto Reeko
Bullish...
Egyptian tanks and commandos moving into the Sinai desert. WillEgypt finally stand up for its brothers and sisters in Gaza?
Israel is the Texas of the Middle East .... a bona fide "Lone Star State" ! Imagine the Alamo .... with Nukes ?
I see none of you are familiar with the history regarding the Hartford Convention. Given Mr. Paul's interpretation of it, I strongly recommend that he consider refamiliarizing himself with it as well. That wasn't a proud moment for the participants involved, nor is it a proud moment in US history.
Mr. Post,
Who cares about laws when DC does not care about law?
They need to hang. Put that in your briefcase Esquire.
You haven't the foggiest notion of what living in a country that's not governed by the rule of law is like. This board is full of mental infants such as yourself who simply go with whatever current they're caught up in. At present, it's whatever feeble mewlings are sputtering out of Ron Paul's mouth. We still have idiots spouting off about secession when 200 years of political and legal precedent in the USA shows that approach to be a non-starter. People still think Texas can secede after all proof shown to the contrary, in particular.
Just keep fuckin' that chicken, folks... if you close your eyes hard enough it will surely end up being the girl of your dreams eventually.
Given the fact that the US was founded by seceding, I would say the historical precedent is quite in its favor. Legal precedent? LOL do you really think anyone cared what Crown lawyers said? The Confederacy came within one lost battle of doing the same- and that was with almost no manufacturing and a smaller share of the population and military than the South now has.
Now go bow and lick the hand that feeds you.
Hear hear!
"Given the fact that the US was founded by seceding, I would say the historical precedent is quite in its favor."
Yes, but the king didn't have Apache helicopters and drones. It's different this time.
seceding is need period. corzine and our total disfunctional fed government has proven it is not going to work for the people of this country, but continue the march towards NWO and elite rule of the world. the break up of USA would slow that process. so it will be fought by the reptile elites. live on your knees tax units.
...or perhaps a turtle of your dreams.
And what makes you think you are any more familiar with the history regarding the Hartford Convention than anyone else here?
Perhaps there is more than one interpretation of historical facts-
The widespread BS propaganda notion that the US Civil War was advanced by Lincoln over the issue of slavery is a convenient popular example, whereas the Whiskey Rebellion might be a more esoteric example, only slightly better known than the Hartford Convention, primarily because of the involvement of a certain canonized federalist general and politician with only a modicum of military mastery.
Yee HAww!!!
Catch the wave baby...Audie Murphy bitchez!
Let my people go!!
If texas secedes they wont need a boarder fence to keep illegals out, having to climb over dead illegals at the boarder should be deterent enough
R U ' mentally deficient'?
it's the truckloads of shit!
Being a bad boy again??? What do you care if Texas decides to secede? Let's just call it DIVORCE. there, fixed it or ya.
Which side gets to cite mental cruelty?
Silly , Cat Herder...
hehe. Actually Kedi is short for my username on many sites of kedikat. Life is herding cats. Left or right, you never get it all going in one direction.
I just want to throw this out there. I live on a small street in west Texas. The street has six houses, but there is enough arms and ammo to furnish a full division just on my street. That is something to think about.
they have.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/05/congress-should-ban-...
seriously, this would appear to be moving along according to plans. . .
"They hate our Freedom."
The urban vote edge for the democrats is not a myth in Texas. What does that tell you? Demographics will decide which way Texas goes if secession does not happen.
http://houston.culturemap.com/newsdetail/11-07-12-the-great-divide-obama...
Why should Texas have to leave? CA is the "domestic abuser" of the US. Boot it the f out of the Union.
Constitutional Amendment to BOOT CA!
Forget secession, time for EJECTION!
A tale of two deficits. Per capita deficit in California seems to be slightly lower than in Texas?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/04/us-usa-deficits-states-idUSTRE71314420110204
as a californian, i'd love for this to happen.
united states of kiss my ass
Amen bruther. The place is fatally broken. PLEASE make it go away for the good of us all!
Swift Boat , Kerry?
Secession is an American principle.....Wow, Ron Paul couldn't be more wrong..
What happened to the Civil war? Was South not petitioned to...
War, not petition, is the American principle established under the Civil War...Easy to join, never allowed to leave peacefully.....unless...
The bottom line is: Hey, one can petition all day long, the dicider in the White HOuse simply DENY,DECLINE, REJECT, DISMISS,DEFiLE, and, of course, plays the role of CHIEF_DO_NOTHING.
That should be CHIEF_KNOW_NOTHING_DO_NOTHING!
Ron Paul and other closet Tenthers in general like to conveniently forget Texas vs. White, United States vs. Cathcart, the wording in his own state's constitution, and other realities of the world when they're spitting their mad bullshit. Don't expect this to ever end, it's a level of delusion that simply can't be cured... or ELECTED.
yea thats right. you got it all fucking figured out dontchya. and wtf does US v. Cathgart got to do with this? here's the deal mr. wannabe supreme court justice. the relationship that the government has with "the people" is a contract, and the unwritten overiding element in it is you cant keep breaching the contract, be ruinous with the country's resources, destroy its currency along with peoples lives and be accountable to no one for it. I mean, I have to ask you. Just how far down the fucking rabbit hole are you prepared to go? You're probably right, there won't be secession. But, the attitude expressed by the silent majority, isn't about the black man in the office. Its about the opposition to and disatisfaction of complete rape and pillage of the office and the resources it commands. And this attitude is VERY electable. ESPECIALLY after reading your shit diatribe. To deny that there is a problem, other than what you believe to be a freak show, demonstrates the level of your ignorance and the delusion that the state is going to solve everybody's problems that you unfortunately suffer from.
I was asked what will happen to people in Texas who do not support secession and refuse to leave if we again become The Republic of Texas. My answer was simple: Issue Them A Green Card
If certain Texans are bone stock slope-headed stupid enough to actually attempt to give revolution a shot, you're going to see a really nasty replay of "Bleeding Kansas". I guarantee it. Most intended recipients will mount that green card like a bayonet and shove it up the ass of the person who handed it to them.
I dare those insurrectionist traitorous scumbags to show up on my doorstep and attempt to force allegiance to their illegal secession movement. They'll find they aren't the only ones in Texas armed and willing to fight for what they stand for. The better odds are y'all will stay at home pounding your keyboards and trying to impress your wives with how pumped you are from using the mouse.
Wow. Those words you just typed make you sound like you're a tough guy.
Aww somebody is upset they won't get a government check...
Notice the reaction of the socialist boot lickers, total panic. If the slaves rebel they might have to work for a living. Fuck you Bolsheviks; the first state that goes rogue becomes the Singapore of North America.
Ha ha, I imagine millions of Texans roaming about in Singapore. The horror of the Singapore citizens, the mass canings.
Freedom of the republic vs the socialist. Hope it happens before the US turns into a state of tyranny.
May all those that cherish freedom join in.
The reaction is pretty telling.
Texas is looking at a $27 billion deficit. If they secede do they take with them their portion of the federal deficit as well? How might they raise money for a season or two of strong hurricanes? Of course they will blow oil exploration wide open with no regulations. Will they pay for the damage that might ensue to their neighbors when things start leaking? Will they have the resources to deal with continued drought? It would not surprise me to see them at some point completely overlook influx of illegal aliens from Mexico, so they can use them as poorly paid workers in Texan factories and the Texas government makes "free trade " deals with the U.S. In other words, Texas virtually becomes Mexico. Remember the Alamo.
Actually, I would see them go back to the way it was, pre civil war.
What damages. I thought after BP we discovered oil leaks have no affect on the environment. At least we never heard of any. All is well. Besides the corporation would pay for any damage, not the state.
Didn't they already bomb Waco once? Before they had drones?
And don't you know they could let Texas succeed and either buy the politicians to loot the oil or send in JPMorgan with some financial tools of mass destruction....
You think Uncle Samstein doesn't know how to redneck spring Texas back in the fold?
The evil empire is cackling about this
No social securtiy taxes bitchez.
No income tax either.
State Militia, where do I sign up?
Republic of Texas, I like the sound of that!!!
Actually, I would be happier if Kalifornica seceeded. In one fell swoop we would be rid of San Fran Nan, Dianne Fienstien, Barabara Boxer and a lot of others. They could happily go to hell in their own handbasket and not take us with them.
Hate to tell this to you dudes, but when Texas was a Republic it printed its own paper money.
When you compare the 50 laboratories of democracy after sorting them based on how their citizens voted in November 2008, only 10 Democratic-voting states are net recipients of federal subsidies, as opposed to 22 Republican states. Only one red state (Texas) is a net payer of federal taxes, as opposed to 16 blue states. One blue state (Rhode Island) pays as much as it gets.
And that is from a Libertarian perspective: http://reason.com/archives/2011/07/14/the-redblue-paradox
King County, the solidly-Democratic county that surrounds Seattle, provides "nearly 42% of the state's tax revenues, yet receives only 25% of the money spent from Washington's general fund." Conversely, five counties that require the most in services relative to the taxes they pay are largely Republican.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/09/18/oba...
Funny stuff. Millions were thinking of going to Canada when GWB was elected, so this is a very welcome Schandenfreude moment for them.
There is more to life than just a balance of payments.
How can this be? Seriously......isn't the democratic party THE party of the little guy? LOL, limousine liberals, bitchez!
The Republic of Cascadia.
http://zapatopi.net/cascadia/
Oil and farming.
"Freedom of association" taken to a meaningful place.
10th Amendment BITCHEZ... Study it and get use to hearing about it. The day of reckoning has begun.
...roll tide.
Ron Paul, THE man. You will be missed!
I usually don't read long posts, but this one was really worth the time.
If Texas ditches the USA im moving there, FUCK YEA, I hope they dont have a really annoying imigration process lol.
It's about time!!!!!!!!!! A Texas standoff. An Alamo event in the making.
Lock and load Texans.
Kedi, you are hilarious. Poster child of the left! Ya'all will still be welcome in the Republic of Texas, with a passport of course, despite you being a massive douche bag, because we all are polite folk down heyah.
Polite? I am a massive douche bag because I have stated some of my opinions? Without once calling people here names. Occasionally I try to inject a bit of sarcasm or fun in my comments. Often putting in facts. Most times putting more than a single sentance zinger worth of effort into it. I do hope you actually get a chuckle out of my comments. That's cool, for whatever reason they occur. But douche bag for speaking my mind? And doing it quite nicely and socially. If you represent the Texan example of polite, then I will give the state a pass when I eventually tour down the east side of the rockies. Got to cross the Arctic circle first anyway. Been to most continents in my work, the oil exploration business. Met a lot of polite people all over the world, and been welcomed by them as I am polite to them, even when we are so different. I know polite. Received from people every where, given to people everywhere. I am happy to leave the experience of your Texas polite to last or never. I tried to write this as politely as possible. I do not know you. I now know we have differences of opinion in various ways. But I would not have presumed to judge you as a bad person in any way, except for you giving me a bit of evidence to think that now, by your own words.
Dex
You do owe the lady an apology for speakin' while drinkin'. It WAS a rather rude 'n crude comment. Shame on you.
Kedi, I think he was attempting a general 'you', not a you 'you'. If you catch my drift. That's the only excusable explanation I can come up with.
Good ol' "ForInstance" Bellamy.
Rick Perry does NOT support secession and neither does any other decent law abiding usa citizen. Only tea party flaked out libereturds think they have the ball to go it alone when really they are great big pussies. lulz
Hey Texas, you guys could hire me from California after you secede!
I've got great groping skills when I worked fot the TSA, border and binocular skills (slept the whole time), desk skills at the DMV (barely lifted a finger), Nazi style FDA raids at small businesses, pot hole repair, meter maid ticket revenue generation skills, IRS goon intimidation skills, Union Thug organization skills, EPA regulatory enforcement skills, FDIC insurance specialist, Meatless Monday's school GMO food prep consultant.
I am asking for $120,000 yr. base salary + bonus, vacation time, full health benefits, 90% pension @ 20 years.
Where ever the government leaves a void, I can fill it!
We already have more than our fair share of Californians. Fuck off and fix your own state.
Oh come on, when has the government not rammed itself into our voids?
I live in California and you're a fuckin' liar!!
There hasn't been a pot hole repair in thirty years!!
lol
Asking for secession on a .gov website is like dancing about architecture.
Anyways, Thanks Dr.Paul for being who you are. It does not end here.
Ron Paul Punk Rock Anthem
Exactly right! We used to call it self-flagelation. All the good Texas public school grads are still asking permission to have an "inalienable right." Maybe one day they'll get it, but I doubt it.
cut to the chase:
YouTube - Hamas Bar-B-Que - Israeli Style: Actual Footage of Drone Strike on Gaza 'Tough Guy' Ahmed Jabril
...
same as posted earlier by Tyler... mine has better sound effects...
I'm not an American but GO TEXAS!!!
Im in Virginia and I say GO TEXAS!
Your governor is a complete asswipe and a cheerleader for domestic drones, I feel for ya...
Remember the Ron Paulamo!
Wilson was a traitor.
Wake me up when they're hangin' Bush & Cheney.
He was brought up in Germany and used war as an opportunity to implement more dirigisme in US domestic policy.......mind you he transferred millions of Germans to government by Poles and Czechs even where they were majority populations leading to Germany have a MInister for Occupied Territories long before Adolf Hitler wanted to bring them under the protection of the Reich. Funnily enough Wilson created multi-ethnic states across Central Europe rather like Europeans created them across Africa - now the EU is trying to dissolve nation states into a new Holy Roman Empire
Well, this entire thing is unfortunate.
Unless you're used to Texas, you cannot imitate it. You're air bases will get closed. Look, Argentinians bang pots, Parisians burn cars, and Texans secede. Its a form of protest. The box score is just the Voltage on the protest.
And to paraphrase Jean Claude, when its serious we have to buy ammo. (In size).
But the idea that the 50 states secede and just leave Washington there with its debt in its hand has a nice appeal, ya know?
After 1945 the German city of Hannover wanted to return to the English Crown; Freistaat Bayern seceded 1923; Baden-Wuerttemberg wants to join Switzerland yaking 20$ German GDP with it. In Spain regions want independence like Catalonia. It seems quite normal for Texas to propose life before 1846 when Britain was keen to keep it independent of the US. The Federal System has become more and more like the EU imposing a uniformity across defined boundaries. The Federal Government is so omnipotent it thinks it can impose its will on Citizens of other countries in their own countries, so what hope Citizens of Texas have against Washington Rule remains to be determined.
Can I just succeed into my own state and country. Interesting point if anybody know how an indiviudal can succeed from the union or just the federal government.
Just because a million people "sign" a petition to do something does not mean that it is necessarily a great idea. It also does not mean that the majority of Texans would ever genuinely consider leaving the Union. It only means there are a whole lot of frustrated Republicans out there who just cannot seem to figure out how to win an election. Maybe if we stop running flip flopping jackasses like Romney and certain candidates who think that some forms of rape are legitimate we could actually win an election.
A lot of posters seem to be confusing Texas with Dodge City. It is not the old west out here anymore. It is a huge, diverse state where a very large percentage of the population believes in limited federal government, love America and are tired of watching it being run into the ground by big corporate and big financial interests.
As an actual Texan, I can tell you that one thing we are not is quitters and the vast, vast, majority of Texans are in no way fixin to quit on America.
Wait, could this be a voice of reason on this topic? That Texans are made up of many types of people who should be respected for the different viewpoints they contribute?
golly.
Good point. Why would anyone want to quit being pounded in the ass?
Remember: Dey hate us fer are freedumz!
About a year ago the Texas House passed a bill to hold TSA agents accountable for sexual misconduct regarding passengers and arrest them, just like a normal citizen would be arrested. 100% of all republicans and democrats in the House voted for this bill. How many times do you see all republicans and democrats agreeing on something?
When the bill went to the Texas Senate, a letter was sent to the State of Texas from the federal government saying that it would have no choice but to close down all air traffic in Texas if that bill was passed. Basically, they threatened a no-fly zone over Texas. Some called this an act of war.
Texas buckled and did not vote on the bill.
Now, the bill has been reintroduced in the Texas House. Maybe this time It becomes a law?
Another thought, what if Ron Paul runs for Governor (or President) of Texas?
The standard of living would drop by at least 75%.
Our standard of living is already better than the rest of the USA. Oh and Texas' credit rating is better than the USA.
Newsflash: We don't need the USA. The USA needs us.
Tyler, seriously bro... change the name of this blog to SWINGN' FROM RON PAULS NUTS. Its fucking embarassing at this point....
*Severe nut-envy detected*
"grant ... to withdraw"
Huh? You mean "allow ... to withdraw"? In any event, change cannot happen from within the system at this point, if it ever could. Secession is the legal, civilized alternative to war. The Constitution allows for it.
Spanish 10 year back over 6% Tyler!
Spain 10-Year 6.009 5.917 6.024 5.807 0.092 1.55%Let's hit seven! Should be 70.
All this talk about secession has me wondering if John Titor was real. If so, +1 for a good bunker.
Crazy freaking times we live in.
Secession? Now that is just silly. The states signing this petition have even more useless eaters - niggers and dumb inbred white hillbillys - than any of the blue states. These "red states" would be economic disaster zones. This demonstrates the genius of the shepherds and their masterful control of the sheep lettuce head people. The ones that want independence from global government are actually the dumbest of the cattle - the gammas. The slightly higher betas are in the statist zones that have openly accepted the destruction of the ancient constitution. LOL! They would use the MIT DARPA labs to create the most elegant bio and chem weapons to quickly crush the low brows in the south. One can only hope ... :-/
How sad, one of the sheeple thinks he's different from the flock.
Hey ! Inbreeding doesn't create birth defects .... of course, it doesn't get rid of them, either ! LOL
Silly? Silly is looking at those fine taped horned frogged glasses in the mirror in the morning nerdly.
Fuck off worm.
The US has become too big, and too beuracratic. It needs to be divested just like large companies need to occasionally divest. I propose that the US divest itself into the following 5 countries:
1. Blue Nation: New England, New York City, North Jersey.
2. Great Lakes Nation: Upstate New York, South Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Northern Illinois. (skip over Indiana)
3. Oregon Territory: Oregon, Washington, Hawaii.
4. California.
5. Red Nation: The remainder.
I will move from North Jersey to one of the remainder.