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With Over 100,000 Supporting Texas Secession, Ron Paul Weighs In
With just 5 days needed for the Texas secession petition to surpass 100,000 signatories, all is not well with the Union...
... actually, not only are things not well with the Union, things are getting worse by the minute, as American society splinters into diametrical opposites to a degree not seen in decades, a process which in itself virtually assures there will be no cliff compromise before the opportunity cost of ending the stand off becomes far too great. And with the option of the Mr. Chairman "getting to work" to fix things, one wonders - is even the market a motivating enough factor given a 20, 30 or even 50% drop in the rearview mirror: after all as the Fed has demonstrated, there is no need for a fiscal compromise to get the S&P to just shy of all time highs. Certainly, even America's politicians are very much aware of this by now (of course, this assumes that Bernanke is still in charge of the market: something we have claimed for two months is very much in question).
Regardless, with the topic of secession on everybody's lips, here is what none other than Ron Paul has said about this suddenly very volatile issue.
Ron Paul: Secession Is an American Principle
Ron Paul: This weekend I got a couple of calls from the media asking me questions about Rick Perry, our governor here in Texas and the statements he made about possible secession. Now, he didn’t call for secession, but he was restating a principle that was long held and at least in the original time of our country, and that is that there was a right to secession.
Actually, after the Civil War, nobody believes there is a so-called right to secession, but it is a very legitimate issue to debate because all of the states that came into the Union before the Civil War believed they have a right to secede and New England in the early part of the 19th century actually considered it, and nobody questioned them about whether they had the right to do it or not.
Since the Civil War, it’s been sort of a dead issue, but he brought it up. It stirred the media and believe me, it really stirred some of the liberal media where they started really screaming about what is going on here. “This is un-American”, I heard one individual say, “This is treasonous to even talk about it.”
Well, they don’t know their history very well because if they think about it, it’s an American tradition. It’s very American to talk about secession. That’s how we came into being. Thirteen colonies seceded from the British and established a new country, so secession is very much an American principle.
What about all the strong endorsements we have given over the past decade or two of those republics that seceded from the Soviet system? We were delighted with this. We never said, “Oh no. Secession is treasonous”.
No. Secession is a good principle. Just think of the benefits that would have come over these last 230-some years if the principle of secession had existed. That means the federal government would always have been restrained, not to overburden the states with too much federalism, too many federal rules and regulations.
But since that was all wiped out with the Civil War, the federal government has grown by leaps and bounds and we have suffered the consequences, and we need to reconsider this. It’s not un-American to think about the possibility of secession. This is something that’s voluntary. We came together voluntarily. A free society means you can dissolve it voluntarily. That was the whole issue was about.
Just remember one of the reasons that Wilson drove us in unnecessarily into World War I. He talked about what we have to give, have every country in the world the benefit of self-determination, a good principle. Of course, I don’t think he really believed that. But self-determination is a good principle. It’s a very American principle, so to me it’s a shame that we can’t discuss this.
You know, it’s interesting that so many of us have been taught for so many years, and as long as I can remember from the first grade on up taking the pledge of allegiance that we have a republic that’s “indivisible” and we have been preached that and preached it. So therefore, there is no contest, no question since the Civil War that we have even the thought that this could happen.
But you know what a lot of people don’t talk about and they really don’t even know about is who wrote the pledge to the flag. The pledge to the flag came from, for instance, Bellamy, an avowed Socialist who wanted to put into concrete in the pledge this principle of being indivisible, and he did it, you know, for the celebration ironically 400 years of the celebration of the landing of Christopher Columbus, so it was in 1892.
I mean, the pledge of allegiance has not been here, you know, all our history. So I think it’s worth of discussion. I think people should discuss this because right now, the American people are sick and tired of it all and I think the time will come when people will consider it much more seriously is when the federal government can no longer deliver. That time will come when the dollar collapses.
No matter what they do and how many promises they have and how many bailouts they have, they can’t do it if the money doesn’t work. So then, the independence of the states will come back and it doesn’t mean that you’ll be un-American to even contemplate what might have to be done once the dollar crashes.
While this video was originally recorded on 4/19/2009, Ron Paul spokeswoman Rachel Mills confirmed earlier today (11/13/2012) that Ron Paul “feels the same now” about secession as he did in this video.
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Oregon, Washington, and Hawaii?
How'd you come up with these great combos genius?
By the way, nothing's stopping you from moving to any of the Li'l Reddy cry-baby states now.
What a bunch of pussies.
Lose one election, and they want to betray their country?
Talk about no patriotism.
You've got that right.
They're probably still recovering from kindergarten class, when they had to share the sleepy-time mat with others.
Spare the rod..
You can't betray something that has betrayed you first.
Patriotism is for suckers.
Guam and Puerto Rico enjoy the best status as an unincorporated protected territory. Free trade but more independance.
In many ways congress is like the plantation master that stops all escaped slave states.
I want to personally secede from the United States and print my own fiat currency. My new country will be called ME and it will be wherever me is. And my constitution is drooping but so be it that is that. It is late and I'm going to ME bed. So good night.
Ron Paul is awesome! Brilliant descent enightened human being. This is who the country should listen too.
Period!
Kiddies and RP worshipping drones - THEY DOLLAR WILL NOT COLLAPSE. It is backed by an armed force bigger than all other nations combined and 4500 nuclear weapons. This is why you can have a Debt/GDP ratio worse than Spain and a 1.75% 10 year. War is good. International instability is our friend.
The elephant in the room rears its ugly head! Either you want the Govt to take care of you, or you want the Govt to get the fsck out of yer life! Decision time approacheth...
King County, Texas: Romney 195 votes ! BO 5 votes ! CNN didn't give RP's vote count !
Let Texas secede. Better yet, kick out the treasonous bastards.
Their economy would quickly collapse and they'd become a subservient state colony dependent upon the US for both porridge and protection... plus we'd not need to deal with their electoral nonsense anymore.
Texas consumes more in federal aid than they contribute in taxes so they're already a welfare case. And as a solitary little star the twinkle would fade from their all-hat no-cattle swagger 'nation' double-time.
Heck we could even admit Puerto Rico in fair trade, keep our 50 stars on the flag and get some really nice beaches in the process.
Viva los Estados Unidos!
Socialists don't abide secession .... look at Chechnia and Georgia ! Here's a compromise .... The Monedas Compromise .... you can secede if you find another country to take your place .... so they don't have to print new flags ! Texas secedes .... Pwerto Reeko is given statehood ! Oklahoma secedes .... welcome Haiti ! North Dakota secedes .... welcome Quebec ! LOL PS: "North" Curea is the Union .... "South Curea" is the CSC (Confederate States of Curea) ? We helped South Curea secede .... why not Texas ?
Socialists may not abide succession, but in a fight between the intellectual liberal elite and Texans I know who I'd put my money on.
Abe Lincoln was a Socialist - Eugene Debs would be so proud !
so tired of ron paul, nothing ever happens in america, it's just hot air, thye dont even protest in the streets
Protests cost cities "millions." (ABC).
100,000 attend General Strike, shutdown Oakland Bay Bridge/Port.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XWyAEYDWw&feature=related
...hmmm, it's 2012 and the desire to secede, be raptured out of a corrupt body; sealed in agreement with the contempt of the black hole, defining the prison nature of the new world order, the drakness of the singular voice of ''out of many one'' (''We Are Legion'') borderless swine and lawless beast, which is death, ...sounds like agreement with the sustaining act of mercy. You could say ''Christian'' even. or ''pure energy''. ''Light'' even. LMAO. Wonder how long such an effort will take? ...maybe a bit before or after 2015? LMAO. The exorcism can take time, times and half a time, and even cause some warriors the pain of death in the battle too. Lol. The 2012 door is now opening, obvioulsly, for the false peace agreement with the leader of the new globalized market effort, the leader with the most powerful force of arms the world of man has ever known, and the Office that has brokered Middle East Peace, with Israel and the nations, in the past. Does this gate not define the sealing of this time of destinction and this generation, the people not only of said country, but, among all nations and tongues? .. the people that shall stand fast and shall rise up in agreement with the Spirit of Mercy? LMAO. 2001 sure was a mark in time for World Trade, and now souless Hal is a Citizen's United Company Robot, legally equal with a human, trying to kill humans, trying to kill the power of the image of the algo caused to speak. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-QFj59PON4
Interesting ''irony'' lol. http://www.watchmanscry.com/article_babylon_arrives.html
http://defenderpublishing.blogspot.com/
Washington/Wall St/Israel Lobby - You're Fired!
Secession the deep hidden Freudian obsession of the south; you can hear the trumpets blowing at the Alamo. This time it ain't Santa Anna, its the song of revolt.
I'm sure the Mexicans would approve, new lone star El Gringo would be more their size.
And Napoleon in his grave would smile : what the Louisiana purchase procured his friendly ally Jefferson could always be disunited from the federation that Lincoln bequeathed the world when he picked up the confederate gauntlet thrown down at Fort Sumter.
Once the wind of sedition hits a nation you know how it starts, not how it will end.
It would be supremely ironic to see this wind of change declare Florida the new republic of the resuscitated Seminole white tribe and New Mexico of the white Apache.
Tribalism bitchez, and this time new Sitting bull, white red neck backwoodsman, will be winning his secession from old federate general Custer of DC, a brownie shill who dies on Little Big Horn hill.
Man, will we be revisiting history bigtime in neo-tribal reversion.
Wake me when the chimes of New England Maschentucket Pequot and Mashpee Wampanoag revolts begin and they take back Connecticut and Massachusetts from the Republic.
Shouldn't you be supporting the Quebecois and the Neoacadians ? Vintage tribes of Gaul there...
not a great fan of tribalism.More of the melting pot.
Folrida secession petition.
http//:freeflorida.org
Balkanization bitchez.
just secede WASHINGTON DC from all the other states . This eliminates the cancer
Much that I could say on this matter has already no doubt, been bandied about already. There is a swelling undercurrent in this country right now regarding the divisions, but one has to wonder if these are well thought out concerns or knee jerk partisan reactions by a extremist few.
Few people have actually considered the benefits/problems of a seccession. Each touts the "benefits" they would retain, such as food or energy or technology, but ignore or discount problems. Becoming your own country brings with it a host of additional responsibilities. Can you afford a standing army and all that entails (Defense is currently 16.2% of the Federal Budget) How will you pay for road and bridge repair (some states would be harder pressed on this than others) and where will the funds come from to pay for major weather events (Hurricane, Tornado, Wind and Hail, Drought, Blizzard). Where will your energy come from, local home grown/mined/pumped sources or do you not have those resources? Food is another point, can a state grow everything it needs to feed it's populace or does it rely on out of state sources? Some nationstates would require a navy (major outlay) to protect their coasts and most would want an airforce (again, major outlays).
Then there are all the FED jobs that would have to be done by the new nationstates, ambassador, border control, passport, and many more. Will the states protect the environment or allow polluters free rein as long as they produce jobs and products? What kind of treaties would they hammer out with other countries to get things they need? What would be the laws of these nation states be and who would they benefit/protect/serve?
There are more details than a sane person would want to tackle, and fewer answers than anyone expects. Do you really want to live in a nationstate than would outlaw your denomination in favor of another? Do you want to live in a nationstate that tells you what you can and cannot do/or one in which you are free to do as you please as long as you have the firepower to back up your position?
Might does not make right. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Consider that you have 1 Ron Paul and the rest of the Texas Congressional Delegation if you want a primer on majority rule. Seccession may have it's points, but no one is looking under the hood to see if this POS has been flood damaged. Imagine the fire fighting efforts in the west , or flooding help, or even tornados that wipe out towns without federal backstopping. And then there is the counterfeiting of nationstate monies, each nationstate issuing it's own currency with all the exchange rates that would go with it.
When you start thinking about it, have some aspirin nearby, or a bottle.
Well, Obama wanted division and hate!
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!
"good job Brownie"
If Texas secede would you not be terrified that the US would feel compelled to invade, ahem, I mean 'liberate' it from its evil leader Ron Paul? There is a lot of oil there...
Think about how productive any state would be if it were instantly free from federal regulations. Whatever share of the debt that state would leave the union with would be paid back very quickly by both the increased productivity and there no longer being a need to pay the federal govt.