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Guest Post: Ready For The Apocalypse?

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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics blog,

I am not really a doomer. But I do think that societies and individuals that do not prepare for the worst (and hope for the best) are needlessly endangering themselves. Tail risk events happen. An MIT study earlier this year predicted that the global economy would collapse by 2030.

A new national survey by National Geographic and Kelton Research finds some interesting results:

Which cataclysmic movies do Americans worry might come true?

7% of Americans think the Planet of the Apes might come true? Really? 30% of Americans think that the events of Roland Emmerich’s 2012 might occur?

And how prepared do Americans think they are for such events?

But in reality — in terms of what people have actually accomplished — few people seem ready for anything:

9% of people have alternative power sources? 21% have made some attempt to grow their own food? Only 43% have a spare supply of drinking water?

Not prepared at all.

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Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:38 | 3025086 Ms. Erable
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Ah, an example. Shouldn't he then serve as a complete, perfect example by being the guest of honor at a necktie party? Then we'd have a classic tale with a moral and a pleasant ending.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 21:20 | 3025625 Cathartes Aura
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given the current perpetuation of the duality paradigm, I'd say Corzine plays his role well as "Evil" - but trying to sort out his oppostional meme, that's where it might get sticky. . .

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:52 | 3025134 zapdude
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...but we know how the story ends, and it is an infinitely good ending. 

However, surviving with your body and soul intact to the end will be the greatest test mankind will face.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:09 | 3025144 RichardP
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Satan is real ...

The Hebrew word translated as satan in the Old Testament is a common noun (not proper noun, therefore not capitalized) which means accuser or adversary (both personal and national) in Hebrew.  The Hebrew word is properly translated as "the satan".  Jesus used the word "satan" in the New Testament, but it was the same Hebrew word defined here.  Referring to someone as "the satan" is the same as saying the accuser or the adversary in English.  Note that the Greek word translated as devil in the New Testament means slanderer or defamer.  It also is a common noun rather than a proper one.  Referring to someone as "the devil" is the same as saying the slanderer or the defamer in English.  When Iran calls the United States the great satan, they are giving an example of this point.  They are calling the United States the great adversary, not the snake from the Garden of Eden.

Much of what has been written about satan and demons from Plato to Dante's Inferno has more in common with Greek mythology than with anything actually said in the Bible.

The concept of the satan is only mentioned four times in all of the thousands of years of the Old Testament time period.  The concept is mentioned only slightly more in the New Testament.  Whatever the satan actually is in the Bible (a person; an office), the satan is actually not that big of a deal in the Bible.  From a Bible perspective (rather than from Plato's or Dante's or Milton's perspectives), the satan is powerless to do anything without asking permission from God.  (Read from Job 1:6 and from Luke 22:31 for proof.)  I take three things away from what the Bible actually says about the satan:

- He cannot touch humans without permission from God;

- Regardless of who (person?) or what (office?) the satan is or is not, when given permission from God to trash Job, he did some pretty powerful stuff with the weather.  Whoever occupies the position of the satan in the Bible may not be the man of Plato's and Dante's writings, but he has some awsome abilities to influence the weather and other things and inflict some serious damage.

- If God gives the satan permission to trash the (people) (economy) (geography) of whatever nation you live in, he (God) would have a reason for doing so.  If that is the case, how is "finding God" and "accepting the atoning sacrifice of Jesus" going to change anything?  God has given satan permission to trash your living space for a reason.  It's not likely you will have any defense against that, "saved" or not.  Unless bringing you to God was the reason God gave the satan permission to trash you in the first place.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:32 | 3025260 Satan
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Pleased to meet you...hope you guessed my name...

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 21:24 | 3025632 Cathartes Aura
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but what's puzzling, is the Nature of the game. . .

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 22:26 | 3025740 tip e. canoe
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i tell you baby, you're to blame

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 23:29 | 3025835 Cathartes Aura
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I give easement and rest now to thee, dear man.

Come not down the lanes or in our meadows.

And for thy peace I pawn my own soul.



Sat, 12/01/2012 - 13:14 | 3026454 tip e. canoe
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"vanity & happiness are incompatible"


Sat, 12/01/2012 - 19:13 | 3027016 Cathartes Aura
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That is why most men...are surprised to see that which they let go by so unregarded and unenjoyed was
precisely their life, was precisely that in expectation of which they lived. . .

It is only in the microscope that our life looks so big. It is an indivisible point, drawn out and magnified by the powerful lenses of Time and Space.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 22:39 | 3025759 Uncle Remus
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do you know the way to bombay?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 23:13 | 3025813 Cathartes Aura
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I got yer bomb bay

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 19:54 | 3025465 New World Chaos
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Satan is the emergent hive-mind of the oligarchy and their paper Beast.  Evil has reached a critical mass of interconnectedness and become sentient.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:52 | 3024904 walküre
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No, hadn't considered that but considering many Americans identify with Honey Boo Boo and unable to even spell apo .. a po calyp ... a  po   ca  lyp  tic .. there apokalybtig

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:15 | 3025181 dizzyfingers
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"Has anyone considered the possibility that some people do not prepare for a"post apocalyptic world" because they simply do not want to live in such a place and thus, would rather just die and be done with it?"

And many realize that when everyone else is dead or dying there'll be plenty for them so why worry or run around fighting.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 19:30 | 3025407 forwardho
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When was the last time you almost drowned? The strongest drive in a human being is self preservation. You may think NOW that you could not go on in that situation. When it hits you will pop a 10 yr old if you think it will keep you alive. A human in its natural state is a very, very ugly creature

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 08:08 | 3026174 Cosimo de Medici
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I believe it was Sun Tzu who said, "A man trying to save his children is the second most dangerous kind of man;  the most dangerous man is the one trying to save himself, because he shoots the other man's kids first".

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:16 | 3024748 zapdude
Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:11 | 3024984 MrButtoMcFarty
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Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:16 | 3024749 formadesika3
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<<Only 43% have a spare supply of drinking water?>>

The question was "Which of the following have you ever done to prepare for a potential catastrophe?"

That was probably for Y2K. Remember Y2K?

The % that is currently preparing their own source of water is actually 9%, further down the list.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:17 | 3024752 Gestwa
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This is how its going down.


Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:19 | 3024757 tenpanhandle
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Southern californians are prepared.  They have 10 million water storage recepticals just one flush away, up in Nor-cal.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:51 | 3025131 cougar_w
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That's what they think. When the action really heats up us Nor-Cal'ians plan on flushing half as often and only for brown stuff. I pee in the garden already just out of spite.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:14 | 3025196 RichardP
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Pee for too long and you'll have no garden to pee in.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:21 | 3025227 dizzyfingers
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Does that keep cougars away?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 19:08 | 3025351 Flakmeister
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Only if you make it a habit of not putting the seat down....

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 21:30 | 3025637 Cathartes Aura
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hahahhhahahah, plus many!


oh, and compost toilets guys, start now.

or the old:

if it's yellow

let it mellow

if it's brown

flush it down!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 21:38 | 3025658 flyingcaveman
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Attracts more cougs and keeps the deer away.


Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:21 | 3024765 unirealist
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Water is the big one, the immediate one.  After that, food.  But food is easy to buy and store.  Water is not.

And then comes fuel.  Lots of people will be literally freezing to death in the winter after an economic collapse.  Hard to store fuel, even if you can afford to.

But here's the thing: even if you cover these necessities, your neighbors and friends and extended family won't.

And you can bet on this, that as their own needs grow dire, they will come to believe that they have a right to "share" whatever you have worked so hard to put aside for the crisis.

They'll accuse you of "hoarding."  And whatever gov't still exists will call "hoarding" a heinous crime.

So it is important to store up supplies not only for yourself and family, but also for the small cadre of killers you will have to employ for security guards.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:34 | 3024811 imbrbing
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but also for the small cadre of killers you will have to employ

I thought thats what the 1/10 ounce silver rounds were for :)

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:56 | 3024927 NotApplicable
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I'm at a loss trying to understand the difficulty of storing water.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:13 | 3024990 viahj
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my townhome complex recently just drained our 2 acre lake by six feet to put in a fishing pier, and we're still techically in a drought....pissed me right off.  that is my source for filtration and fish...

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:29 | 3025053 Hi Ho Silver
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It's not difficult, it just requires maintenance. Algae is a bitch.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:25 | 3025240 css1971
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Shelter first, then water. Even without fuel you won't freeze to death if you have a house and some blankets, even if it gets down to -30C outside. In winter without heat though water is just like any other rock. Wood stores in a wood pile no problem. Don't waste fuel on producing heat or light, or charging your iPad. Fuel's for transport.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 22:02 | 3025698 Seer
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My neighbors (and I) are fine.  I have no need to worry about them.

As far as "fuel" goes, plenty of wood... fossil FUEL is another story (none of it, and esp now with gasoline being laced with ethanol, stores worth a crap).

And, actually, the NUMBER 1 fundamental is SHELTER.  "Shelter" means shelter from the elements.  Find yourself tossed overboard (there goes that gold!) and you'll be wanting shelter MUCH more than food or water.

Water, of course, is needed before food.  Fortunately I'm not at any loss here either.

When thinking about security I'd advise having a good dog (or two, or however many if you can feed them).

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:23 | 3024769 fonzannoon
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Good read in investmentnews.com "Gundlach sees Kaboom ahead".

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:24 | 3025233 walküre
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Yeah, well Grundlach's vision of Kaboom and my idea of prepping are not compatible. From the article:

He recommends buying hard assets: Gemstones, art and commercial real estate are high on his list. And DoubleLine has been buying the stocks of Chinese companies, U.S. natural gas producers and gold-mining firms because it considers them to be bargains.

Gundlach himself has amassed a contemporary art collection of about 100 pieces, with works by Jasper Johns and Franz Kline. The money manager drew on abstract painter Piet Mondrian's double-line style for the name of his firm and its geometrical, crosshatched logo.

Gundlach, who correctly predicted the subprime mortgage disaster, has a proven record as a prognosticator -- and the performance numbers to go with it. At his former firm, TCW Group Inc., his Total Return Bond Fund (TGLMX) earned an annual average of 7.9 percent in the decade ended in November 2009, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

Does he suggest we should load up on CRE as safe havens when the shit hits the fan? Why? Because retail space and office towers will get squatted in? Where's the logic? And contemporary art of relatively unknown entities such as Jasper Johns or Franz Kline? Really? Maybe to whack someone over the head when they're intruding into my house?

Grundlach doesn't seem to have a clue of what is coming.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 22:04 | 3025704 Seer
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Yeah, as soon as I read his recommendation for CRE he lost all credibility.  These people still think that we're going to come back around and start up this silly game again- we're NOT!  When The Kaboom hits we'll have entered another dimension, one that actually places a BIG emphasis on True fundamentals (Food, Shelter and Water).

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:25 | 3024774 mckee
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Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:26 | 3024777 Frank N. Beans
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this is funny stuff:

  -  8% of people feel they would die after just one day with the supplies they have on hand.

Hell you should at least be able to survive 3 or 4 days on nothing, maybe longer.  drink your own piss if you have to.  start killing zombies and eat them too


Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:54 | 3024918 unununium
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Either 8% are idiots or 8% are saying F-U to the survey.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 20:10 | 3025494 Matt
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Or 8% have a medical condition which will result in death within 24 hours without treatment.

Or some combination of the three.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:05 | 3025162 css1971
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I reckon I could survive a month on water alone. Some Americans I've seen.. A year, maybe more.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:14 | 3025193 dizzyfingers
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I've read that a little body fat can take us a long long way, without food, for a long long time, but we have to have water. Hard to drag enough water with us to walk out of whatever hellhole our neighborhood becomes, though, or out of our state, or out of our country. If anyone's near water, stay, and fight for it.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:42 | 3025283 blunderdog
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A month is pushing it, but you might be able to. Two weeks is "safe" for most, between 2 weeks and 2 months is where death gets just about everyone.

It's not just a question of stored calories, though--even the fattest people will start passing out after a few weeks because protein depletion causes the real problems.  And it doesn't usually take long after you've been unconscious a few times to decide that lying down for awhile isn't such a bad idea.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 22:10 | 3025714 Seer
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And on top of everything add in environmental stresses.  Pick up a bit of dysentery and things will get pretty miserable: kind of hard to expend energy looking for food and water when you've got it.

"And it doesn't usually take long after you've been unconscious a few times to decide that lying down for awhile isn't such a bad idea."

MOST deaths due to widespread upheavals happen this way.  Folks head out down the road and collapse on that road.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:26 | 3025244 blunderdog
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    you should at least be able to survive 3 or 4 days on nothing

That totally depends on the environment with regards to dehydration.  3-4 days in a cool part of the world, sure, but not in Tucson.

Much of the USA has relatively easy access to water, though.  Most folks just need a purification system.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:26 | 3024781 q99x2
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My angel spirit shall guide me.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:30 | 3024796 BattlegroundEur...
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Don't worry 'cos FEMA has your back.....and your family in a "camp"

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:31 | 3024801 libertus
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The Limits to Growth model was interesting until you ask to see it. Dennis Meadows and Jay Forrester don't share well with others so it was next to impossible to see the assumptions behind the model. Great idea, but lack of transparency really lowers the ligitimacy of any process. Interesting stuff, but Doomer Porn as far as I am concerned. 

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