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Newtown, CT Elementary School Shooting Tally Rises To 27 Dead, Of Whom 20 Children - Live Video

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Update 4: the NYT has released a brief biopic on Lanza's, who it turns out had Asperger's Syndrome:

He carried a black briefcase to his 10th-grade honors English class, and sat near the door so he could readily slip in and out. When called upon, he was intelligent, but nervous and fidgety, spitting his words out, as if having to speak up were painful.

 

Pale, tall and scrawny, Adam Lanza walked through high school in Newtown, Conn., with his hands glued to his sides, the pens in the pocket of his short-sleeve, button-down shirts among the few things that his classmates recalled about him.

 

He did all he could to avoid attention, it seemed.

 

Until Friday.

 

The authorities said Mr. Lanza, 20, wearing combat gear, carried out one of the deadliest mass shootings in the nation’s history. He killed 20 children and six adults at the elementary school where his mother worked, they said. He then apparently turned his gun on himself. The police said he also earlier killed his mother.

 

In his brief adulthood, Mr. Lanza had left few footprints, electronic or otherwise. He apparently had no Facebook page, unlike his older brother, Ryan, a Hoboken, N.J., resident who for several hours on Friday was misidentified in news reports as the perpetrator of the massacre.

 

Adam Lanza did not even appear in his high school yearbook, that of the class of 2010. His spot on the page said, “Camera shy.” Others who graduated that year said they did not believe he had finished school.

 

Matt Baier, now a junior at the University of Connecticut, and other high school classmates recalled how deeply uncomfortable Mr. Lanza was in social situations.

 

Several said in separate interviews that it was their understanding that he had a developmental disorder. They said they had been told that the disorder was Asperger syndrome, which is considered to be a high functioning form of autism.

 

“It’s not like people picked on him for it,” Mr. Baier said. “From what I saw, people just let him be and that was that.”

 

One former classmate who said he was familiar with the disorder described Mr. Lanza as having “very flat affect,” adding, “If you looked at him, you couldn’t see any emotions going through his head.”

 

Others said Mr. Lanza’s evident discomfort prompted giggles from those who did not understand him.

 

Law enforcement officials said Friday that they were closely examining whether Mr. Lanza had such a disorder.

More here. Indeed, there is a statistical predisposition, at least anecdotally, for those with Asperger's toward both murder and violence.  In other words, watch as the debate rages over the traditional bogeyman of gun control, in a country with over three hundred million weapons, when we may well simply be talking about a mentally ill young adult.

As for the misidentified Ryan, who for a few brief hours was presented by law enforcement as the suspected shoorter, we learn from the WSJ:

Israel raids Palestinian NGO officesKatie Colaneri, a 24-year-old resident of Hoboken, N.J., described herself as a friend of Ryan, the suspect’s brother who for hours Friday was incorrectly identified as the alleged gunman. “He [is] a little shy, but very nice and sweet,” said Ms. Colaneri, who has known Ryan for over a year.

 

She said Ryan is a gentle guy who was  devoted to his job at the Ernst & Young accounting firm. A representative for Ernst & Young would not comment on his employment status.

 

A law-enforcement official briefed on the investigation told the Associated Press that Ryan has been “extremely co-operative” and is not under arrest, although he was still being question late Friday.

 

The official said Ryan’s computers and phone records were being searched but only “in an abundance of caution.” Ryan told authorities he had not been in touch with his brother Adam in recent years, and the official said he isn’t believed to have any connection to the school killings.

 

In Hoboken, Ryan lives in a newer building that was hard-hit by superstorm Sandy, Ms. Colaneri said. He lost power for a number of days following the storm.

 

The last time she saw him, about a month ago, Ms. Colaneri recalled that Ryan ran up to her and gave her a hug.  ”I’m really shocked,” she said. “As the details unfolded, I was totally devastated.”

Update 3: ABC has released a picture of the real shooter, Adam Lanza, taken in 2005 when he was ~13 years old.

Update 2 : NY Post now refuting CNN's initial report, and stating that the shooter's real name is Adam Lanza, not Ryan Lanza, who is instead brother of the latter. At this point there appears to be a ridiculous amount of confusion who did what, so it perhaps would be prudent on behalf of the authorities to double check this information before releasing it to the media. And just out from AP:

The AP confirms this further here:

The suspect in the Connecticut school shootings is Adam Lanza, 20, the son of a teacher at the school where the shootings occurred, a law enforcement official said Friday. A second law enforcement official says the boy's mother, Nancy Lanza, is presumed dead.

 

Adam Lanza's older brother, Ryan, 24, of Hoboken, N.J., is being questioned by police, said the first official. Earlier, a law enforcement official mistakenly transposed the brothers' first names.

 

Both officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record about the developing criminal investigation.

 

The first official said Adam Lanza is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

 

According to the second official, the suspect drove to the scene of the shootings in his mother's car. Three guns were found at the scene — a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols — and a .223-caliber rifle. The rifle was recovered from the back of a car at the school. The two pistols were recovered from inside the school.

 

The official also said Lanza's girlfriend and another friend are missing in New Jersey.

 

Meanwhile, former Jersey Journal staff writer Brett Wilshe said he has spoken with Ryan Lanza of Hoboken, who told Wilshe the shooter may have had Ryan Lanza's identification.

 

Ryan Lanza has a Facebook page that posted updates Friday afternoon that read that "it wasn't me" and "I was at work."

Update: According to CNN the shooter's name is Ryan Lanza, out of New Jersey. Based on a White Pages reverse lookup there is an 18-24 year old Ryan Lanza living in Hoboken, NJ whose FaceBook profile lists Newtown, CT as his home city. Whether it is the same person remains to be confirmed officially.

 

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Sadly, increasingly it appears that not a day, and certainly not a week can pass, in the US without news of some mass killing somewhere. Several days ago its was a mall in Oregon, and today it is a shooting rampage at the Sandy Hook Elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. Here is what is known: the shooter, who CBS reports is a 20 year old from New Jersey, is reported to be dead. A second shooting suspect, a 24 year old man with a bulletproof vest and 4 guns has been apprehended in custody (this has subsequently been not confirmed). According to CBS 27 people are dead, of whom 18, Connecticut Post 27 people are dead, of whom 20 tragically, children. Among the dead are the principal and the school psychologist. The AP has already dubbed it "the worst school tragedy in American history."

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More from Reuters:

 At least 27 people, including 18 children, were killed on Friday when at least one shooter opened fire at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, CBS News reported, citing unnamed officials.

 

If confirmed, it would be one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history. The holiday season tragedy follows a series of shooting rampages in the United States this year that have killed multiple victims, and it was certain to revive a debate about U.S. gun laws.

 

The principal and school psychologist were among the dead, CNN said. Witnesses reported hearing dozens of shots with some saying as many as 100 were fired.

 

The suspected shooter, 24, was armed with four weapons and wearing a bullet-proof vest, WABC reported.

 

There were unconfirmed reports of a second shooter.

 

Another person was being held in police custody after he was detained in the woods near the school wearing camouflage pants, CBS reported.

 

Sandy Hook Elementary School teaches children from kindergarten through fourth grade - roughly ages 5 to 10.

 

"It was horrendous," said parent Brenda Lebinski, who rushed to the school where her daughter is in the third grade. "Everyone was in hysterics - parents, students. There were kids coming out of the school bloodied. I don't know if they were shot, but they were bloodied."

 

Television images showed police and ambulances at the scene, and parents rushing toward the school. Parents were seen reuniting with their children and taking them home.

 

"This is going to be bad," a state official told Reuters, requesting anonymity because the scope of the tragedy remained uncertain.

 

President Barack Obama was notified and would receive regular updates throughout the day, White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

 

"We're still waiting for more information about the incident in Connecticut," Carney said when asked about the president's reaction to it.

 

Carney called the event "tragic" and said there would be time later for a discussion of policy implications.

 

Obama remains committed to trying to renew a ban on assault weapons, Carney said.

 

All Newtown schools were placed in lockdown after the shooting, the Newtown Public School District said.

 

Lebinski said a mother who was at the school during the shooting told her a "masked man" entered the principal's office and may have shot the principal. Lebinski, who is friends with the mother who was at the school, said the principal was "severely injured."

 

Lebinski's daughter's teacher "immediately locked the door to the classroom and put all the kids in the corner of the room."

 

Danbury Hospital, about 11 miles (18 km) west of the school, had received three patients from the scene, a hospital spokeswoman told NBC Connecticut. The mayor of Danbury, Mark Boughton, told MSNBC: "They are very serious injuries."

An early report from CBS:

A shooting at a Connecticut elementary school Friday left several children and the gunman dead, law enforcement sources tell CBS News. At least one teacher was wounded in the shooting that sent frightened pupils into the parking lot.

 

It is unclear if there was more than one gunman at the school.

 

Law enforcement sources told CBS News senior correspondent John Miller that preliminary and unconfirmed information indicates that the shooter was the father of a student.

 

The shooter was killed and apparently had two guns, a person with knowledge of the shooting told The Associated Press. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was still under way.

 

It wasn't clear how many people were injured at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. CBS Hartford affiliate WFSB-TV reports around 600 students attend the school.

 

Connecticut State Police spokesman Lt. Paul Vance described the situation to CBS New York station WCBS-AM as a "very serious school shooting."

 

A dispatcher at the Newtown Volunteer Ambulance Corps said a teacher had been shot in the foot and taken to Danbury Hospital.

 

Stephen Delgiadice said his 8-year-old daughter heard two big bangs and teachers told her to get in a corner. His daughter was fine.

 

"It's alarming, especially in Newtown, Connecticut, which we always thought was the safest place in America," he said.

 

Lisa Bailey, a Newtown resident with three children in Newtown schools, told CBSNewYork.com, "Newtown is a quiet town. I'd never expect this to happen here. It's so scary. Your kids are not safe anywhere."

 

The superintendent's office said the district had locked down schools in Newtown, about 60 miles northeast of New York City. Schools in neighboring towns also were locked down as a precaution.

 

State police said Newtown police called them around 9:40 a.m.

 

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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:00 | 3064369 Marginal_Futility
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So, what's the solution here? Is there not a place in which you can leave your children for a day of learning and playing without surrounding them by the same security-statist measures (metal detectors, armed TSA-like janitors, etc) that I so loathe...

Another reason I'm glad I moved to Italy!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:05 | 3064405 Monedas
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Home schooling .... no niggers, socialist teachers and snipers !

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:27 | 3064510 AnAnonymous
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Home schooling .... no niggers, socialist teachers and snipers !
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'Americanism' is wherever 'americans' are.

Homeschooling can change. Both parents and kids are 'american'

Prepare accordingly.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:07 | 3064416 Manthong
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Yeah.. people are much less emotional and more level-headed in Italy.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:38 | 3064786 Marginal_Futility
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True. And much less armed and much more repectful of children.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:00 | 3064374 Volaille de Bresse
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I can't understand : if the guy wanted some action he could have attacked a police station (like the one where our "friend" Anthony Bologna works).

 

Opening fire on kids, wtf!?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:15 | 3064452 holdingontomypants
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The facts are this guy and other whackos like him picked their target areas to make as large a statement as possible where they knew they could effect maximum harm with the least amount of resistance.

We have gun free school zones and gun free malls, movie thaters, ect. A whacko knows a police station isn't gun free just as they know going to a military base isn't either. They have already decided to commit suicde and want their suicide to make as dramatic as an impact as possible.

That is why they go to places like this to inflact maximum harm. The bottom line is they are cowards. How can you protect yourself and family. Carry concealed gives you a fighting chance.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:13 | 3064696 Vooter
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The IRA used to blow up police barracks all the time...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:56 | 3064852 forexskin
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after the british _____________________________ in ireland for ____ hundred years.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:29 | 3064519 AnAnonymous
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if the guy wanted some action he could have attacked a police station
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Or join the Marines. Following gun action would have been as easy, plus hero status, could have rape and torture as a bonus, plus great entitlements.

Yep, he should have joined the Marines... Much better deal in all categories.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:00 | 3064376 hazek
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If you create a gun free zone where the sane and decent people can't defend themselves against the nuts of this world, don't be surprised when the nuts of this world choose exactly those places as a spot where they want to unleash their craziness. You don't see them trying to do the same thing walking into a police station do you? I wonder why that is.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:01 | 3064384 Monedas
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20K shoulder fired AA missles to Al Qaeda, Libya is biggest CIA fuck up ? .................................... Nuclear fuel rods for North Korea is biggest CIA fuck up ?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:03 | 3064394 catacl1sm
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This thread has gone hypersonic.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:09 | 3064428 Monedas
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Sending your kids to government schools is felony child abuse .... paying your taxes is TREASON !

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:07 | 3064415 gabeh73
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My summary:

Reports of 2nd gunman will be memory-holed. Reports of masked gunmen will be ignored.

MK Ultra

Event will be used to justify anti-gun legislation

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:11 | 3064436 InconvenientCou...
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How does homo sapien become so self indulgent that they derive pleasure from randomly vandalizing lives? Where do they learn to enjoy senseless killing and grotesque mutilations of the human body?. No cause, no vendetta, no meaning, just vandalizing.

The most dangerous weapon is the grey matter between their ears. If you claim to care at all about human life, do not let your kids entertain themselves with violence of any kind. Don't listen to corporations trying to tell you it is harmless. It's not. You're creating a generation of monsters.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:11 | 3064438 Soph
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Eh, when you're running record high levels of youth unemployment in the US, have entire generations that spend ALL their time playing hack and slah video games, and a culture that sells violence like it was a commodity, how can this be at all surprising to anyone?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:18 | 3064461 Bicycle Repairman
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This isn't a false flag.  Or is it?  One thing cannot be denied.  The media (which is a wing of the political class) has trained their cameras and their bullhorns on the event.  And it's clear what they want.

Shootings happen in the ghetto all the time.  What is the body count in the city of Chicago for 2012 versus all mall and school shootings countrywide?  Of course black folks don't count as much to the media.  Even black children.  No need to work up any outrage there.

I guess that's why I smell BS.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:21 | 3064477 blunderdog
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Shootings in the ghetto are usually criminals shooting other criminals.  They're not really comparable situations.

A shooting in a ghetto elementary school would just get a good bit of attention, too, because the kids themselves are almost universally going to be thought of as innocent.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:31 | 3064528 AnAnonymous
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A shooting in a ghetto elementary school would just get a good bit of attention, too, because the kids themselves are almost universally going to be thought of as innocent.
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'Americans' think that? So why do they consider that the kids their army killed are not innocent?

Oh, wait, 'americans' are 'americans' and universal is only as universal as 'americans' want it to be.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:06 | 3064666 blunderdog
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     'Americans' think that? So why do they consider that the kids their army killed are not innocent?

You know why, and I know you know why.

Because most Americans are very effectively indoctrinated to *obey* the authorities that select their outlets for BLAME for stuff. 

When our military kills kids in Afghanistan, most of us blame the "terrorists" who use kids as human shields.

When a shooter shoots up a mall or a school, some Americans will blame guns (if that's how they've been trained), and some others will blame pharmaceuticals, and some others will apparently blame "libtards."

Whatever it takes to make sure that there's a suitably targeted "other" to evade responsibility with.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:02 | 3064861 Bicycle Repairman
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"A shooting in a ghetto elementary school would just get a good bit of attention, too"

Maybe it has never happened, but I can't think of one reported instance of a shooting in a ghetto elementary school.  Still I'll bet more black children have been gunned down in the street this year than occurred in all school shootings.  The media doesn't care about that.  The media cares about this event.  Why? They want to move their agenda along?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:44 | 3064576 dolph9
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I too smell BS, but I disagree with your reference to the ghetto.

Daily, routine crime is different than a mass shooting, both in quality and and in the emotional response.  It's also why we get worked up about 9/11, but thousands of Americans die on the roads and nobody stops driving.

If there ever was a mass shooting in the ghetto, you bet that would get a ton of coverage...and imagine if the shooter was white! What an amazing gift to journalists that would be!

But that stuff doesn't tend to happen in the ghetto.  Incidents like this tend to be the domain of disturbed intellectual white guys who go off the deep end and go on an idealistic rampage against people they perceive to be holding them down.

Also, black on white crime isn't covered like it used to be.  It's old news and the media always keeps it quiet.  I remember back in the 80s, the media would always put the faces of the criminals for all to see.  But then in the 90s and 00s they stopped doing that, because they don't want to cause white outrage.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:09 | 3064885 Bicycle Repairman
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"Daily, routine crime is different than a mass shooting, both in quality and and in the emotional response."

No doubt.  The "quality" of black people is far lower and and "emotionally" their deaths draw no "response" from white America.

This is about getting white soccer moms to demand gun confiscation.  The media's interest extends no further than this.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:48 | 3064607 dexter_morgan
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For a while there I had this pet theory that these recent 'shooters', if you looked in to their backgrounds closely enough, had military connections - kind like a manchurian candidate type thing, but none of the recent ones fit that pattern apparently. Oh well, I guess we just have a lot of severly fucked up people running around loose out there for some reason(s) or another.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:18 | 3064467 The big unzip
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Mans inhumanity to man knows no bounds.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:33 | 3064537 AnAnonymous
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Amen to that.

This is human nature and you have to accept it.

Signed: an American.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:23 | 3064489 robertocarlos
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America is BEYOND fucked.

Fuck you Obama, why don't you go solve the NHL lockout.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:51 | 3064625 TuesdayBen
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Cuz Obama views the world through the prism of race, views himself as black, and hockey's for whitey.

That's why.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:24 | 3064492 Train007
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Can't imagine how hard it would be for a criminal to get their hands on an illegal gun.  Guess about as hard as buying some illegal weed, or illegal coke, or illegal meth................ what feebleminded serfs

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:55 | 3064565 TuesdayBen
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We Americans are generally fat soft and stupid.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:32 | 3064506 TuesdayBen
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Guy here in DC killed his roommate 2 weeks ago with what the Washington Post identified as a 'blunt object'.

Blunt objects must be banned, eliminated. Bricks, rocks, bats, pipes, rolling pins, etc. The citizenry simply cannot be trusted around such potentially lethal instruments.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:37 | 3064557 dexter_morgan
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Vlad Dracule wreaked a lot of havoc with just swords, knives, and sharpened poles, but ya know, it's the NRA's fault somehow............not the crazies fault.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:47 | 3064598 cougar_w
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Vlad Dracule was a powerful, wealthy man with armies he could command. I don't think there were any of his peasants wreaking havoc on the side.

Only in America can a lone loser kill at will, for nearly as long as he wants to, using weapons that would have been the dream of Vlad Dracule, and then go out in a blaze of glory with his foul deeds and entire life story strewn across the entire global media of the entire planet.

Only in America.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:58 | 3064645 DosZap
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Only in America can a lone loser kill at will, for nearly as long as he wants to, using weapons that would have been the dream of Vlad Dracule, and then go out in a blaze of glory with his foul deeds and entire life story strewn across the entire global media of the entire planet.

Only in America.

 

Wrong, try NORWAY.................................same MO, an island of innocents.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:08 | 3064675 TuesdayBen
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Well, there was that guy in Norway...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:10 | 3064690 Vooter
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Did he kill 27 roommates with the blunt object?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:29 | 3064753 adventuretime
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Your posts are consistently shit.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:20 | 3064927 Yes We Can. But...
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No, but 26 other roommates did in the US the same week.  Google it.

 

Rocks, bricks, tire irons, rolling pins, fingers, fists, elbows, curbs, 2x4, bats, numchuks, rerod, 10lb weights, bottles, toilet lids, feet, shovels, hammers, wrenches......

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:28 | 3064514 lindaamick
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No surprise here.

Just shut off TV for 2 years and then watch it somewhere.  MY GOSH.  You will know how sick our society is.

We feed children on violent video games.  Our whole culture is built on a sports model that has winners and losers.  Winners are glorified and losers are condemned.  It is the same as a war model. 

We wage wars all over the world.  Even the TV sports venues merge military with sports.  The NFL robot wears an army uniform for gosh sakes.

Combine that with no community, no future for young workers, no investment by young people into the society as there are no jobs and you get a group of dissociated, angry young folk.

I really do not know what Americans expect. 

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:35 | 3064548 AnAnonymous
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The world is getting tighter for 'americans'.

They have no place to run, no place to hide from 'Americanism'

Save in their fantasy tralalaland.

Which they do quite often.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:44 | 3064581 cougar_w
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Americans expect to be the greatest people who ever lived in the history of humankind forever.

Don't laugh. It's true.

Now, Americans will wake up and take control of their fate, or America will vanish into history as a bad experiment mercifully ended.

Right now, I really don't care which one happens. Just let it stop.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:07 | 3064878 forexskin
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that's truly a stupid overgeneralization.

most of the americans i know are good hearted individuals that want to raise honest children and be left alone.

my favorite bumper sticker: *FLAG* For Republic, not Empire.

so please ignore the preceding, since it obviously misses your well intentioned stereotype.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:48 | 3065015 cougar_w
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A true American.

Generalizations are useful. Without them it's hard to discuss anything beyond the human scale. I have lived an American life for over 50 years. I have also lived outside America. I stand by my assessment and I think a great many historians writing of the 20th century would as well.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:29 | 3064520 SmoothCoolSmoke
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NRA press release:  "Obviously, banning schools is the answer"

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:39 | 3064569 cougar_w
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All humor aside (really) it just might be true.

We are stuck with the guns. Nobody sane going question that. But we don't have to be targets. In the run-down collapse of America, this problem is likely to solve itself by its own means as people give up and wander away from the things that bring us together.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 02:45 | 3065797 TBT or not TBT
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You jest, but government schools can't easily be sued for their negligence, particularly with the federal law banning adults on premise from being armed.   Obamacare, same idea.   No one will be able to sue governement controlled doctors and hospitals and semi-nationalised "insurance" companies for lack of care, deficient care, and willful putting down of hard cases.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:31 | 3064527 Rustysilver
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From local news. Gunman was buzzed into the building. Only two rooms were involved. The shooter is Adam Lanza. A house in Newton has a dead body. Looks like it was his mother's house.

20 children. 2 died in the local hospital. 6 adults.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:33 | 3064544 Shizzmoney
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Smart video about the role of media in shootings like this:

 

http://t.co/cl4oWnWn

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:38 | 3064563 Diesel Seven
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May the gunner rot in hell. I can't imagine the agony of the parents, being one myself--I couldn't imagine survivng the loss of my baby that way. Why do we even have concealed carry laws anyway--high impact targets like schools/malls are typically off-limits for concealled carry, so even if the teacher next store was a fucking ex-Navy Seal with a level of proficiency that would put most of the SWAT guys to shame, the best he could to is attempt to rush the gunman before he was shot. Liberal gun control freaks take note--you will not stop illegal gun use you fucking morons. One idiot poster stated that all gunownership should be illegal and punishable by long prison sentences--yea, after getting fucked in the ass by Bubba for many years, I am sure they will be well-adjusted members of society. The poster also stated that only the government has the moral authority to carry such destructive weapons--"moral" and "government"??? what government are refering to, surely not ours. What fucking logic are you using here--the gunman ignored the no firearms staus of the school.? You ban assault weapons, better ban shotguns and ammo, because in short range evironment, many tacticians believe a 12-gauge is much more dangerous with 00 buck rounds. Moreover, then we should ban every video game that incorporates simiulated killing as well. I wonder if the dumbshit realizes the crime that would be that woun ensue by the illicit market for weapons that would be created. The sick fuck could have used a chain saw for that matter. If you want to kill, you are mentally damaged--if you want the ability to protect yourself and others, what is that? The fact is that the government is about as effective at protecting us as they are managing their finances.Would anyone argue that if several PROPERLY TRAINED and pychologically-screened staff (say former military or those willing to complete  a comprehensive, certified, formal training course) were encouraged to maintain a concealed weapon, that the death toll could have been lower? I had read that the asshole who shot-up the movie theater in Colorado went out of his way to go to a theater that had a firearms prohibition sign on the door, wonder why??? Because all of the law-abiding citizens with concealled-carry permits (and a something to lose by being caught breaking the law) left their guns at home. Wheather or not you love guns or hate guns, just calling for a flat-out ban is the type of stupid thinking that has caused the state of affairs today. Time for this country to grow-the-fuck up and create more effective solutions to problems. The guy who did this deserves worse than death for the pain he caused, but we need to start protecting ourselves (and children) with positive solutions.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:45 | 3064578 Manthong
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Gee, I don't suppose the pro-abortion (death) movement, the virtually uncensored proliferation violent of games, music (?)  and movies as well as pornography and the abandonment or diminishment of traditional sexual taboos and mores.. or maybe the current trend of society to remove responsibility from the individual and assign it to the collective has anything to do with aberrant or dangerous behavior, does it?

Ah, I guess not.

I guess the good news is that as a teenager, you are much more likely to have sex with a “responsible” adult today than you were when I was in school.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:55 | 3064635 lakecity55
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Yep. NAMBLA will pretty soon be mainstream due to the demonic winds blowing over the land.

Be Steadfast.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:05 | 3064662 Manthong
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Obama “School Safety” Czar

http://www.wnd.com/2009/09/109556/

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:57 | 3064638 Global Hunter
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Diesel Seven, amazingly the media will bang the drum on gun control except for in the hands of the government, but they don't run stories about innocent deaths caused by government owned guns and bombs.

No matter how hard they try I am still more scared of an armed government than I am of lone wolf mass shooters. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:17 | 3064919 lakecity55
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Somehow, they tend to ignore a president and an attorney general who ship vast numbers of arms to Mexico for nefarious purposes.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:17 | 3064712 toomanyfakecons...
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I'm not ready to damn the shooter. He was probably poisioned by the pharmaceutical industry and/or lacked quality mental health care.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 00:38 | 3065702 WillyGroper
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>>>>>Why do we even have concealed carry laws anyway

It's called ALEC. Look them up & look up ur representatives that are paid members. They're writing the state laws.

So there you have it. ALEC promotes packing & now we're back at the gun control debate. 

I abhor guns. But, I have one. Given a personal experience this week, I'm getting a street sweeper tomorrow at the show. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:43 | 3064582 Angus McHugepenis
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Unbelievealbe tragedy. It's a perfect example of the old saying... When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

If 2 or 3 staff members were allowed to conceal/carry things might not have been as bad as they were. I'm sure the gun confiscation crowd will be going into overdrive any minute now.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:04 | 3064660 Vooter
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How does most of the rest of the unarmed world avoid weekly mass shootings? LOL...it must be something in our water...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:43 | 3064586 hero HNL
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Beyond crazy......stuffs like this should never happen.

 

 

hero

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:50 | 3064614 cougar_w
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Can't stop it now. Will only get worse. It won't end any time soon, maybe not for a hundred years.

These are good old days of quiet and peace. Real violence is awakening.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:51 | 3064618 Arthur Two Shed...
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People are violent.

People do violent stuff.

People have promoted violence for every reason imaginable.Forever.

Kill all the people.

Problem solved.

Your welcome,Earth.

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:51 | 3064621 Global Hunter
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I've spent a lot of time in psychiatric hospitals in the last few years because of a loved one, I've gotten to know many of the patients.  In my opinion "mentally ill" people don't plan to mass murder and are not at heart violent people (in fact the opposite). 

From what I've experienced (and research will back me up) is that most psychiatric patients are not violent, although they may 'act out' irrationally from time to time, or appear volatile but what they don't appear capable of is long-term planning and acting out a violent delusion.

In my experience, psychotic people switch around from delusion to delusion, coming in and out of reality.  They spend so much time chasing whatever new delusion has taken over their minds that they literally spin their wheels and jump from idea to idea and never get anywhere in life. 

There is something beyond pure madness, rage, psychosis etc. that drives people to do these things and kill innocent people. 

Condolences to all the victims and their loved ones, wish I had more answers.

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:50 | 3064622 SmoothCoolSmoke
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I own guns.  But it is beyond me why anyone needs a gun with any more firepower/repeatablity needed to kill a deer.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:00 | 3064646 kekekekekekeke
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to shoot rapists/robbers/tweakers/hordes/zombies

duh

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:02 | 3064659 DosZap
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I own guns. But it is beyond me why anyone needs a gun with any more firepower/repeatablity needed to kill a deer.

 

Then you are clueless about the intent of the 2nd Amendment 100%.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:08 | 3064683 Vooter
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To kill lots of children. Why do you think?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:28 | 3064953 Yes We Can. But...
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To go down trying when the very well-armed goons representing Gubmint-gone-bad (and all Gubmint, like so much Gubmint cheese, goes bad eventually) come for you and yours for your non-compliance with their evil dictates.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:10 | 3064684 SgtShaftoe
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Then you are ignorant of the entirety of history, ancient Greece, Rome, Europe, Asia, and the unpleasantries that are all too violent, extremely common, and also not taught in schools.  Go look up the Japanese invasion of China and the experiences.  Read the vietnamese experience from their side.  Read about the Polish, Finns, Russians.  Go read Soljinitzin.  Read Stoic philosophy, Cicero, something.  So long as there is a seed of desire planted in every human being to exert control over others, evil will exist.  That's just humanity, accept it.  

 

Short of all that, Deer don't shoot back, or possess rational thought to think tactically, they run away.  They're fucking deer.  Unless you plan on being a deer, or criminally shooting people who act like deer, you'll need a tool that is designed for combat.  When people come to kill you, it's warfare, or you're just a defenseless deer.  

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:03 | 3064868 catacl1sm
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Well fucking said!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:09 | 3064688 Global Hunter
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Oh dear, "it is beyond me why anyone needs a gun with any more firepower/repeatablity needed to kill a deer."

If the DHS used the same criteria for their gun and ammo purchases I'd say you have a point, but they don't.  It has nothing to do with deers.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:28 | 3064748 dexter_morgan
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You must have forgotten the <sarc off>.......at least I hope so.....

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 02:53 | 3065803 TBT or not TBT
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Deer rifles are generally several times more powerful than standard issue "assault rifles".

Go compare a .223/5.56 NATO cartridge to a .243 WIN or 220 Swift, never mind Elk sized cartridges like the popular 7mm Mag.   These are monster cartridges compared to standard infantry round, with much higher energy, velocity, penetration power, and hydrostatic shock delivered to tissue.   

I.E. your comments reek of ignorance, to the point one has to wonder whether you have any guns, though you claim to.

As to why you might need to fire repeatedly.   Duh.  Because you'll miss your target a lot, and you need to get a round or two in vital areas to stop the attack(they don't drop in place or get blown backward like in movies and TV) and to thwart attackers who work in pairs or more.    Duh.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:52 | 3064626 GCT
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The children, teachers, and the people effected will be in my prayers.  At one time in this country you did not have gun free zones.  We have several church shootings in Arkansas as the schools use metal detectors and have two police on each campus.  There are 300 million registered firearms  in the USA.  No telling how many unregistered.  Target rich environments is where these crazy MFer's go. There is no one that can protect the innocents. 

Yet do gooders think gun free zones is the way to go.  You have a right to defend yourself.  Those teachers had a right to defend themselves and could not because they thought the police could protect them.  CD said it best the police are not hired to protect us.  They respond once the crime is committed.  Your basically screwed.

I am going to be a tad contrary and state this.  Have you ever thought these things happen because we post the fucking nut case's picture all over the internet and the TV for a couple of weeks.  Nut cases copy other nutcases.  Copycat killing goes on all the time.  All it takes is some nut to see this and go wow I want to go out and do that because I will go down in history and be all over the internet and MSM. 

Lastly we have tossed our morals out the window.   Morals are no longer being passed down to our younger people.  No matter how you learn them.  Values and morals in my mind anyway would solve some of this. I do not like to generalize but these days it is all about satisfaction and no consideration of others.    

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:01 | 3064655 Global Hunter
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Yes GCT, it appears to me that there has been a real organized and coordinated effort to make these acts of random violence into mainstream primetime news affairs.  They don't focus on innocent deaths caused by the militairy overseas for example, but a shooting, all the networks are all over it for days.  Sadly, I can only conclude it is on purpose, to normalize it and nurture it in hopes of encouraging more of the same behaviour.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:56 | 3064636 eatthebanksters
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Instead of looking at the real issues, the deep issue that were thr root of this tragedy, guns will be blamed.  No one will say a thing about the permissive nature of our current culture, that cetain types of music make heroes of bad guys, gangstersnd killers, that hollywood has pushed limits on what is exposed to young kids, that video war games and kill games now replace time that used to be spent socializing at the park or on the street playing baseball, football, basketball or whatever. No one will blame the society that has encouraged the disintigration of the family unit and family values.  No one wants a society of robots, but then sometimes a society that supports freaks as individual pays a price. Blaming guns is easy and the fix is easy.  Looking at the problems in society demand looking in the mirror, something which most people do not like to do.   Until as a society we get back to the point of discouraging selfish behavior and encouraging accountability and responsibility, we will continue to break down and suffer the consequences. When the politcal leaders decide it is expedient to exempt some from the same laws by hich others are incarcerated for the better of society, then principle and the order that comes from it will disappear. Geithner for his supposed brilliance in the world of finance and economics does not understand that any system that is not based on integrity will ultimately fail. Unfortunately his boss is of the same school of thought.  Until society decides to clean up the sewer it has become, the rats will continue to come out of hiding and spread their destruction.

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:01 | 3064652 Vooter
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"No one will blame the society that has encouraged the disintigration of the family unit and family values."

Sure they will. Plenty of people will. What are you talking about?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:06 | 3064665 dexter_morgan
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Many will, but few in any positions of power to effect change will. Lets face it - much easier to blame the convenient scapegoats of 'guns' and the NRA than to delve in to the root causes of why people, at seemingly increasing rates, are going crazy. May not like some of those answers and solutions.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:13 | 3064898 lakecity55
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The sociopaths in charge of the gubbermint would never admit to the real moral and evil causes of these events.

If they did, they would have no reason to disarm you.

 

These poor victims were sacrificed on an altar to true Evil by Evil people, IMO.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:58 | 3064640 Fix It Again Timmy
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We've killed hundreds of thousands of women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan and on every Memorial Day, every Veterans' Day and on every Fourth of July we thank our soldiers for their "service" and for keeping us safe "from women and children, 8,000 miles away" - let us not forget these innocents, let us not marginalize them, but we do and we will...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:00 | 3064653 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Whatchu mean WE?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:02 | 3064647 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Looks like Smith and Wesson (SMHC) and Ruger (RGR) stock is on sale.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:01 | 3064657 SubjectivObject
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LIVE UPDATES: Newtown, Conn., School Shooting  4:52 p.m: Ryan Lanza, 24, brother of  gunman Adam Lanza, 20, tells authorities that his younger brother is autistic, or has Asperger syndrome and a “personality disorder.”  Neighbors described the younger man to ABC as “odd” and displaying characteristics associated with obsessive-compulsive disorder.

4:41 p.m.: Federal law enforcement sources now say Connecticut school shooting gunman was Adam Lanza, 20, and not his brother Ryan Lanza, 24, as earlier reported. Adam was found dead in the school along with his mother, a kindergarten teacher there.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:06 | 3064667 Vooter
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Why do the overwhelming majority of the world's mass shootings happen here in the United States?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:12 | 3064693 Global Hunter
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See eye eh?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:31 | 3064760 SgtShaftoe
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Reframe your question: Why are there mass murders?  Who has the most mass murders?  Who commits the most mass murders?  Focus on the act, not the tactic.  

 

hint: Governments commit the most mass murders by far... How many innocent children has Obama killed? (Answer: over 200, and over 2,000 civilian deaths, tens of thousands maimed).  

 

Start thinking for yourself, and ask relevant fucking questions.

 

http://www.reprieve.org.uk/media/downloads/2012_09_24_PUB_Stanford-NYU_L...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:34 | 3064768 Randall Cabot
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Because the jew supremacists want to take your guns and then slaughter tens of millions of people they don't like like they did in the "Russian" Revolution.  

Bloomberg: Obama Must Take 'Immediate Action' Against Guns

 

 

 

 

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/14/Bloomberg-politicizes-shooting   

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:39 | 3064995 blunderdog
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Because ...

1) it's relatively easy to get guns here
    combined with
2) we don't currently have any Indians to shoot at, so we have to shoot each other

In Afghanistan, they shoot at each other too, but since it's more like a local "tribal grievance" thing, they don't waste time (and ammo) taking out as many bystanders.

This shooter specifically may have had some mommy issues, but that's kind of a side-issue.  Could just as well have been other stuff.

Anyone else around who personally KNEW a wacko gunman type?  The guy I knew was pissed off and high on crack when he went on his rampage.  Fortunately he didn't kill anyone, but that may just have been lucky.  He was certainly irrational enough to have done so.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:41 | 3065002 forexskin
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wait, you mean we're ahead of stalin and mao with about 100million between them?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:07 | 3064670 Fix It Again Timmy
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I apologize for the "we", it should have read US government; also, I refuse to watch CNN since they treat this the way a starving dog would treat a choice steak...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:08 | 3064678 steelrules
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I've been choaking back tears all morning since I read this news story, the poor families the loss of innocent babies.

This is not a gun control issue this is a mental health issue, this must not be allowed to be used to kill the second amendment because if it goes all we have left is sheep and wolves and only the wolves will have the guns.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:17 | 3064710 Global Hunter
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I thumbed you up for your post, but I don't think its a mental health issue either, see my post above for an explanation.  People who suffer from mental illness will be put into the same box as gun owners by government and media, which means more people in the future on pyschiatric medication.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:55 | 3065042 steelrules
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I returned the favour, I understand what your saying.

We do all have a common enemy.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:09 | 3064679 Fix It Again Timmy
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Call 404-827-1500 and tell CNN to stop covering this tragedy...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:12 | 3064695 toomanyfakecons...
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There is a special place in hell for the people responsible for disarming anyone who might have stopped this tragedy. An armed teacher could have ended this tragedy before it began.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:22 | 3064723 dexter_morgan
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School Safety Czar has it under control.

http://www.wnd.com/2009/09/109556/

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:17 | 3064699 TuesdayBen
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Is it time for every competent citizen to carry a taser?

I got me my Obama-taser.....

Zap the snot out of these creeps and stomp on their neck until the cops show up to do some law enforcin'...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:14 | 3064700 Jack Burton
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This is an open terror war against civil society. Certain Americans want to bring as much pain and suffering to their fellow Americans as possible. This terrorist sure did do that!

Useless prick, rot in hell you fucking bastard! Meanwhile America has allied with Al-Qaeda to bring terror deaths in Syria and elsewhere. What the Fuck is wrong with this country?

America is becoming a death cult. Expect copy cat whack jobs to try this at another school. Sick fucks!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:16 | 3064706 barroter
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Sickening.  There are presents bought for these kids for Xmas..only to remain unopened.  I can't imagine the depth of grief these parents have to endure now.

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:18 | 3064713 knicks3005
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I'm a gun owner from NJ and i tell you. It's actually pretty easy to obtain a Firearms ID, although the wait is long, it's still easy.

Easy in a sense that i wish they did MORE on doing a background check on people. For my township, it was just a simple 10 questions sent to my 2 references and that's it.

What needs to be done is, if you want a FIREARMS ID you have to have a MANDATORY psychiactric evalution. If you have a felonly in the past, tough tittie no FIREARMS ID for you. A history of violence? No ID.

Point is, mental health is the issue here in America. Back in the day, if people had mental issues they went to a hosipitcal and that was that. Now a days, you get a pill and are told to fuck off and be happy.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:24 | 3064737 dexter_morgan
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Did this guy, or the guy in the other day, in fact have FOID's? I highly doubt it.

Criminals don't follow laws.....hence they are criminals.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:27 | 3064750 Global Hunter
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Holy shit what kind of world do you live in?

What happens when the state brands its ideoligical opponents as mentally ill? 

What about the 45 year old man who wants to hunt and teach his children to hunt but he can't because he was caught with pot on him when he was 21 and now has a criminal record?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:22 | 3064720 dolph9
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America is in fact a pretty violent place.  Always has been, always will be, as long as it exists.

Most Americans naturally accept the idea of "righteous violence" whether it be against British, Natives, Confederates, Germans, Communists, Muslims.  Or perhaps against criminals.  Or maybe people who wrong them.

It's pretty much a staple of American culture.

But there is a fine line between righteous violence and random, seemingly senseless acts like this.  Americans will never make the connection, because that means asking serious questions about our society and nobody wants to do that.  And it's not political. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:42 | 3064805 hannah
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dolph9 you area a fucking idiot. america is one of the safest countries on earth. take a trip to mexico or central america. go to the middle east and tell me how great that is....you are an idiot.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:22 | 3064935 dolph9
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Yeah, like I said, ignore and deflect.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:40 | 3064999 maximin thrax
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I have to side with him on this. Charlemagne never killed anyone over land disputes with a semi-automatic rifle. Look it up.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:47 | 3064823 inevitablecollapse
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i had a really good conversation about this with a friend some years ago - in the end, we both decided that america was a society built on violence, we have literally taken everything we wanted and as we have (de?)evolved as a nation the violence has never gone away.  need more land?  why not kill a few million natives?  need more oil?  why not kill a few hundred thousand in the ME.  'society' as we know it will continue to regress - time to batten down the hatches

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:36 | 3064985 maximin thrax
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Amen! Why, oh why can't we be more like nations of old, like France and Spain, England and Russia, the Holy Roman Empite, the Ottoman Turks, even ancient Egypt, Greece and Rome, who never new war, who never took anything away from anybody, or if they did were so gosh darned sorry that they gave it all back. Unbelievable how far we've regressed.

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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:41 | 3065004 blunderdog
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There's certainly nothing "random" about a guy who murders his mother.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:26 | 3064743 rywvupuli
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I wonder if the shooter was on an SSRI medication.  It seems quite a lot of the mass murders in the last decade were committed by ppl who were taking or recently stopped taking an SSRI medication.  i'm not a doctor and I am not claiming this is the cause. im just asking the question

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:40 | 3064789 Global Hunter
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Could be.  I tried one in the mid 90s when it was all the rage, I was depressed and I wasn't so aware, after a few weeks I'd feel electric impulses shooting through my arms and legs at times, so I stopped it.  My gut told me something odd was going on.  They were addictive too, I noticed when I stopped, my skin felt like it was being electocuted in small doses.

There are times when drugs are needed, or they appear to be our only hope, but much of our problems today come from over perscription.  Since the mid-90s and that perscription I haven't filled another perscription since, however I would consider it if a doctor told me my life was in danger if I didn't take a specific drug. 

In short I don't think we know what we're dealing with on a molecular or genetic level with these drugs.  So yes, your idea is at at least worth considering.

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:48 | 3065019 blunderdog
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    They were addictive too, I noticed when I stopped, my skin felt like it was being electocuted in small doses.

That's not technically "addiction"--it is chemical dependence, though. 

It's not perfectly understood, but it looks like some kind of micro-seizure because the serotonin-systems become over-responsive when you cut the neurotransmitter flow back to pre-treatment levels.

You can cause similar effects very easily in many neuronal circuits--obviously the impressions differ a great deal.  No one really worries when their arm starts twitching because they held it out straight too long, but when you induce the same responses in the *brain,* a lot of folks freak out.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:29 | 3064752 Irene
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Some years ago, as part of an arts program, we went to perform at Sandy Hook Elementary.  Such a sweet corner in Connecticut.  What a tragedy.

May they all rest in peace.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:31 | 3064759 dexter_morgan
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China too? But with Knives?

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-ne...

Better ban them and bash the NKA - National Knife Association

What in the world is going on with people?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:05 | 3064874 NaN
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The attacks at schools in China using knives prove that these rampages have nothing to do with the particular weapon, but they also prove that man times more are killed when guns are used.

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:33 | 3064974 maximin thrax
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True. By the same token, a psycho can kill more people in a crowd by driving a car into them in lieu of peddling a bicycle into them.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:06 | 3064875 giorgioorwell
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You're actually making the opposite case by posting that article...did you read it?....how many of these 22 children attacked by knife weilding maniac in China have died?  ZERO

Now what do you think the body count would be if he had a high capacity assault rifle?

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:30 | 3064964 maximin thrax
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Reports are that the shooter only took the two pistols into the school. To say the outcome is better with two pistols than with a high-capacity assault rifle is pretty twisted. The guy had a plan and executed it. He could have taken a backpack-full of clips with him and shot dozens more if he had wanted to.

One mass school shooting every 6 years or so, out of a quarter-million educational and day care facilities nationwide, is hardly reason to turn this nation into China so the pistol can be replaced by the knife by the State.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:19 | 3065114 giorgioorwell
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Not a sound argument. Every 6 years?...are you following the news at all this year, or the past 5...there have been a huge amount of mass shootings, or are you only counting ones at schools?  (and not churches, malls, colleges, and theaters?)  These happen in other parts of the world, but the US is off the charts ahead of anyone else here with the exception of Afghanistan, Brazil and South Africa.  The China school is just a very sadly ironic case of almost the exact same thing happenign at the same time across the planet but with a very different outcome due to the weapon used.  

Yes, there are other deeper reasons why the US has so many mass shootings (complete lack of mental health support infrastructure, culture of violence, ease of getting around our "gun laws"), and we eclipse other developed advanced countries in the world in the number of homicides due to guns every year (over 10,000 now). Have a look at this chart and explain to me why we rank the way we do: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-owners...

Other countries that are similar to us in economies, culture, and that have high rates of gun ownership, have much more restrictive laws on ammo, assualt weapons, and number of guns (Israel, Switzerland, Canada) and perhaps more importantly have an actual social safety net in place for the deeply depressed, which is becoming a much bigger part of our population.  If you're not willing to look at that hand in hand with easy gun access, then the jungle around you is the jungle you created.

And this argument that knives and cars could be banned too using this logic, is the argument of a junior high debate team member...somewher in line with the "slippery slope" argument that so many love to fall back on when they run out of facts...guns are only designed to do one thingand do it really well, kill.  A car isn't desgined to kill, it's just an unfortunate side effect.  

 

 

 

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:33 | 3064766 mogul rider
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That teenage UFC loving trog in your basement playing call of duty and halo all day unemployed and antisocial is probably a human being converted into a monster

 

prepare accordingly

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:41 | 3064799 Global Hunter
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If it only it were so simple. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:35 | 3064975 Yes We Can. But...
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Start by kicking his sorry furking ass out of the house.  Give him a $100 bill, wish him well, change the locks, carry on.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:49 | 3065023 blunderdog
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Oh, sure, that couldn't backfire.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:49 | 3065209 IridiumRebel
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Yep, lets get him a phone and free rent and food and.....

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:40 | 3064785 mogul rider
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To all you pukes pulling race cards

29 people died today

Are you so pessimistic that your turn a tragedy into a statement.

That is for next week.

Not today

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:45 | 3064815 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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But, but, but . . . . the JOOOOOOOOOOOOS!!!!!  </sarc>

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:50 | 3064835 rsnoble
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I keep saying/thinking we are going to have a major society collapse.  Just imagine the thoughts of all those living a fair life having everything ripped away and be put on a level playing field with china. Good luck with that.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:50 | 3064836 news printer
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Don't forget to click on adverts folks

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:56 | 3064840 Aurora Ex Machina
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“True, you’re not a slave. You’re worse off than that by a long, long way. You’re a predatory beast shut up in a cage of which the bars aren’t fixed, solid objects you can gnaw at or in despair batter against with your head until you get punch-drunk and stop worrying. No, those bars are the competing members of your own species, at least as cunning as you on average, forever shifting around so you can’t pin them down, liable to get in your way without the least warning, disorienting your personal environment until you want to grab a gun or an axe and turn mucker.” ~ Stand on Zanzibar

 

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[1] This is a mark of respect, on hearing of tragedy, that denotes "nothing can be said to mitigate the suffering of those left behind, so no attempt has been made, apart to add a lone voice to recognise that sorrow, and add that to the multitude of like voices".

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:55 | 3065545 Aurora Ex Machina
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Yeah, ok, the 'tards are running the place. Junk a sincere respect to little kids dying.

 

Either you're a hard cynical killer, or you're being a twat.

 

Oh, right, forgot: Americans.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:54 | 3064844 Rustysilver
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FYI. CT has the most restrictive gun laws. I am in CT so I should know. We also make AR-15 (Colt manufacturer). We also make nuclear subs and some nice F-22 engines. And yes, GE has headquarters here.. That's why they pay 0% fed taxes.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:55 | 3064850 jplains04
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I live in Newtown..this is my Hometown.it's a wonderful place to raise your family...It's where Norman Rockwelll painted his picture of the Police Officer eating Ice Cream with te Little Lost Boy..It's Americana...It's where we celebrate our Flag, have parades, duck races, and everyone pretty much knows everyone one...Today, Newtown Heart was broken..My Heart was Broken..My Kids are safe as they go to a different school...However, My oldest son loves and adores this little girl, she's adorable, where's pink bows, big brown eyes.She always liked him too...we know their family, my in-laws are life long friends of her grandparents...She Died today..Please Pray for them.....

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:14 | 3064899 Everybodys All ...
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My heart and prayers go out to you all. We all grieve as one for the lost children today and may God take care of all the families involved.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:39 | 3064989 Yes We Can. But...
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Then you no doubt know of the Lanza family.  What is the story with them?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:50 | 3065031 blunderdog
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They kicked the shooter out of the basement a few weeks ago, gave him a $100 bill, and told him to fuck off.

He was pissed.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:14 | 3065453 Yes We Can. But...
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Had they in fact done so, perhaps the parents and all these kids would be still be alive.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:21 | 3065476 blunderdog
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You may just be full of shit, too.  What are the odds of either case?!?!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:26 | 3065484 Yes We Can. But...
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Dunno, but letting your little weirdo fester in fantasyland strikes me as a worse idea than forcing him out into the light after you've been unable to help and he's been unwilling to try

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 23:43 | 3065629 blunderdog
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For sure, if you want to produce some kind of strong reaction, you need to change the environment SOMEHOW.  You could try giving him a rifle and dropping him out of a plane into another country, too.  That's what they used to do.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 00:09 | 3065670 IridiumRebel
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I live just down South. If my wife and I ever could sell our house, we planned on moving there or Bethel. Our very good friends live there. I'm there at least once a week. It's a wonderful community. The entire state is dazed. Somber does not even describe it. Catatonic works better. In all of my life, I can recall no other incident that has disgusted me more.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:04 | 3064858 lakecity55
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If someone knows different, post it, but now, as I said earlier, reports of multiple suspects and a handcuffed man found in the woods are disappearing from the "news" reports.

 

There were exact descriptions of a second man in Aurora, but those, too, vanished as the "story" unfolded.

*****

I just checked 3 more sources. The "man found in the woods," who was handcuffed by police, described in breaking reports as having shouted he was innocent, are no longer being reported.

So, a potential material witness to a mass murder has conveniently vanished.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:07 | 3064880 Monedas
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No terror on Obama's watch ?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:17 | 3064909 mofreedom
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i sit typing this looking at my kindergartner playning with a styrofoam moal and hot wheels, me saddened by the loss of ALL life, he knows nothing of it.  damn something, but NOT God.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:20 | 3064925 mofreedom
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Mon, not saying thr fucking O is God, just needed an entry point.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:16 | 3064910 magpie
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Must be a distraction...or traces of a bizarre buddy system. Been slipping lately, even if one has to withhold ethical value judgements.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:35 | 3064940 Aurora Ex Machina
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“The biggest concern we have right now is not the launching of a major terror operation, although that risk is always there. The risk we are especially worried about right now is the lone wolf terrorist. Somebody with a single weapon being able to carry out wide scale massacres of the sort we saw in Norway.”

Barack Obama, 17/08/2011

 

(hint: it's called "5GW" or "Fifth Generation Warfare"; all kinds of sexy funding & research out there).

 

Previous results have shown that introducing reputation, allowing for volunteer participation, punishing defectors, rewarding cooperators or structuring agents, can enhance cooperation. Here we present a model which shows how the introduction of rare, malicious agents – that we term jokers – performing just destructive actions on the other agents induce bursts of cooperation. The appearance of jokers promotes a rock-paper-scissors dynamics, where jokers outbeat defectors and cooperators outperform jokers, which are subsequently invaded by defectors. Thus, paradoxically, the existence of destructive agents acting indiscriminately promotes cooperation.[source]

 

Please note: there are many other studies like this out there, but this is my one (note: bonus points for spotting the reference, I've made it easy) and you can find this piece without a paywall. But a direct link to a paywall journal isn't a flag.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:23 | 3064939 Hannibal
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I wonder if 'Bama weeped for all the the innocent children droned to dead in AfPak?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:36 | 3064963 Aurora Ex Machina
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If they're male, in Pakistan and can convincily be portrayed as over 16 (you know, with all those birth certificates and infrastructure you get in the mountains) then they're combatants, not children. If they're female, I'm sure we can seed the news with some more blood-boiling stories of 11 year old girls being executed for refusing marriage or the like, just to muddy the waters.

Especially if they happened to be killed by a drone at their own wedding when they were 11, that'd cover both bases.

 

Thanks for playing.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:24 | 3064945 GCT
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The commander in chief gets on tV cries some tears and wants to ban Assault looking firearms.  I just want to face palm.  The bushmaster was not used in the crime but found locked in the trunk of the murderer's vehicle.  The crime was committed with  sig saur and glock pistols.

The sheeple are eating up his words and dismiss the facts.  A horrendous crime committed with two pistols.

 

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