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Newtown, CT Elementary School Shooting Tally Rises To 27 Dead, Of Whom 20 Children - Live Video

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Update 4: the NYT has released a brief biopic on Lanza's, who it turns out had Asperger's Syndrome:

He carried a black briefcase to his 10th-grade honors English class, and sat near the door so he could readily slip in and out. When called upon, he was intelligent, but nervous and fidgety, spitting his words out, as if having to speak up were painful.

 

Pale, tall and scrawny, Adam Lanza walked through high school in Newtown, Conn., with his hands glued to his sides, the pens in the pocket of his short-sleeve, button-down shirts among the few things that his classmates recalled about him.

 

He did all he could to avoid attention, it seemed.

 

Until Friday.

 

The authorities said Mr. Lanza, 20, wearing combat gear, carried out one of the deadliest mass shootings in the nation’s history. He killed 20 children and six adults at the elementary school where his mother worked, they said. He then apparently turned his gun on himself. The police said he also earlier killed his mother.

 

In his brief adulthood, Mr. Lanza had left few footprints, electronic or otherwise. He apparently had no Facebook page, unlike his older brother, Ryan, a Hoboken, N.J., resident who for several hours on Friday was misidentified in news reports as the perpetrator of the massacre.

 

Adam Lanza did not even appear in his high school yearbook, that of the class of 2010. His spot on the page said, “Camera shy.” Others who graduated that year said they did not believe he had finished school.

 

Matt Baier, now a junior at the University of Connecticut, and other high school classmates recalled how deeply uncomfortable Mr. Lanza was in social situations.

 

Several said in separate interviews that it was their understanding that he had a developmental disorder. They said they had been told that the disorder was Asperger syndrome, which is considered to be a high functioning form of autism.

 

“It’s not like people picked on him for it,” Mr. Baier said. “From what I saw, people just let him be and that was that.”

 

One former classmate who said he was familiar with the disorder described Mr. Lanza as having “very flat affect,” adding, “If you looked at him, you couldn’t see any emotions going through his head.”

 

Others said Mr. Lanza’s evident discomfort prompted giggles from those who did not understand him.

 

Law enforcement officials said Friday that they were closely examining whether Mr. Lanza had such a disorder.

More here. Indeed, there is a statistical predisposition, at least anecdotally, for those with Asperger's toward both murder and violence.  In other words, watch as the debate rages over the traditional bogeyman of gun control, in a country with over three hundred million weapons, when we may well simply be talking about a mentally ill young adult.

As for the misidentified Ryan, who for a few brief hours was presented by law enforcement as the suspected shoorter, we learn from the WSJ:

Israel raids Palestinian NGO officesKatie Colaneri, a 24-year-old resident of Hoboken, N.J., described herself as a friend of Ryan, the suspect’s brother who for hours Friday was incorrectly identified as the alleged gunman. “He [is] a little shy, but very nice and sweet,” said Ms. Colaneri, who has known Ryan for over a year.

 

She said Ryan is a gentle guy who was  devoted to his job at the Ernst & Young accounting firm. A representative for Ernst & Young would not comment on his employment status.

 

A law-enforcement official briefed on the investigation told the Associated Press that Ryan has been “extremely co-operative” and is not under arrest, although he was still being question late Friday.

 

The official said Ryan’s computers and phone records were being searched but only “in an abundance of caution.” Ryan told authorities he had not been in touch with his brother Adam in recent years, and the official said he isn’t believed to have any connection to the school killings.

 

In Hoboken, Ryan lives in a newer building that was hard-hit by superstorm Sandy, Ms. Colaneri said. He lost power for a number of days following the storm.

 

The last time she saw him, about a month ago, Ms. Colaneri recalled that Ryan ran up to her and gave her a hug.  ”I’m really shocked,” she said. “As the details unfolded, I was totally devastated.”

Update 3: ABC has released a picture of the real shooter, Adam Lanza, taken in 2005 when he was ~13 years old.

Update 2 : NY Post now refuting CNN's initial report, and stating that the shooter's real name is Adam Lanza, not Ryan Lanza, who is instead brother of the latter. At this point there appears to be a ridiculous amount of confusion who did what, so it perhaps would be prudent on behalf of the authorities to double check this information before releasing it to the media. And just out from AP:

The AP confirms this further here:

The suspect in the Connecticut school shootings is Adam Lanza, 20, the son of a teacher at the school where the shootings occurred, a law enforcement official said Friday. A second law enforcement official says the boy's mother, Nancy Lanza, is presumed dead.

 

Adam Lanza's older brother, Ryan, 24, of Hoboken, N.J., is being questioned by police, said the first official. Earlier, a law enforcement official mistakenly transposed the brothers' first names.

 

Both officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record about the developing criminal investigation.

 

The first official said Adam Lanza is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

 

According to the second official, the suspect drove to the scene of the shootings in his mother's car. Three guns were found at the scene — a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols — and a .223-caliber rifle. The rifle was recovered from the back of a car at the school. The two pistols were recovered from inside the school.

 

The official also said Lanza's girlfriend and another friend are missing in New Jersey.

 

Meanwhile, former Jersey Journal staff writer Brett Wilshe said he has spoken with Ryan Lanza of Hoboken, who told Wilshe the shooter may have had Ryan Lanza's identification.

 

Ryan Lanza has a Facebook page that posted updates Friday afternoon that read that "it wasn't me" and "I was at work."

Update: According to CNN the shooter's name is Ryan Lanza, out of New Jersey. Based on a White Pages reverse lookup there is an 18-24 year old Ryan Lanza living in Hoboken, NJ whose FaceBook profile lists Newtown, CT as his home city. Whether it is the same person remains to be confirmed officially.

 

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Sadly, increasingly it appears that not a day, and certainly not a week can pass, in the US without news of some mass killing somewhere. Several days ago its was a mall in Oregon, and today it is a shooting rampage at the Sandy Hook Elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. Here is what is known: the shooter, who CBS reports is a 20 year old from New Jersey, is reported to be dead. A second shooting suspect, a 24 year old man with a bulletproof vest and 4 guns has been apprehended in custody (this has subsequently been not confirmed). According to CBS 27 people are dead, of whom 18, Connecticut Post 27 people are dead, of whom 20 tragically, children. Among the dead are the principal and the school psychologist. The AP has already dubbed it "the worst school tragedy in American history."

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More from Reuters:

 At least 27 people, including 18 children, were killed on Friday when at least one shooter opened fire at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, CBS News reported, citing unnamed officials.

 

If confirmed, it would be one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history. The holiday season tragedy follows a series of shooting rampages in the United States this year that have killed multiple victims, and it was certain to revive a debate about U.S. gun laws.

 

The principal and school psychologist were among the dead, CNN said. Witnesses reported hearing dozens of shots with some saying as many as 100 were fired.

 

The suspected shooter, 24, was armed with four weapons and wearing a bullet-proof vest, WABC reported.

 

There were unconfirmed reports of a second shooter.

 

Another person was being held in police custody after he was detained in the woods near the school wearing camouflage pants, CBS reported.

 

Sandy Hook Elementary School teaches children from kindergarten through fourth grade - roughly ages 5 to 10.

 

"It was horrendous," said parent Brenda Lebinski, who rushed to the school where her daughter is in the third grade. "Everyone was in hysterics - parents, students. There were kids coming out of the school bloodied. I don't know if they were shot, but they were bloodied."

 

Television images showed police and ambulances at the scene, and parents rushing toward the school. Parents were seen reuniting with their children and taking them home.

 

"This is going to be bad," a state official told Reuters, requesting anonymity because the scope of the tragedy remained uncertain.

 

President Barack Obama was notified and would receive regular updates throughout the day, White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

 

"We're still waiting for more information about the incident in Connecticut," Carney said when asked about the president's reaction to it.

 

Carney called the event "tragic" and said there would be time later for a discussion of policy implications.

 

Obama remains committed to trying to renew a ban on assault weapons, Carney said.

 

All Newtown schools were placed in lockdown after the shooting, the Newtown Public School District said.

 

Lebinski said a mother who was at the school during the shooting told her a "masked man" entered the principal's office and may have shot the principal. Lebinski, who is friends with the mother who was at the school, said the principal was "severely injured."

 

Lebinski's daughter's teacher "immediately locked the door to the classroom and put all the kids in the corner of the room."

 

Danbury Hospital, about 11 miles (18 km) west of the school, had received three patients from the scene, a hospital spokeswoman told NBC Connecticut. The mayor of Danbury, Mark Boughton, told MSNBC: "They are very serious injuries."

An early report from CBS:

A shooting at a Connecticut elementary school Friday left several children and the gunman dead, law enforcement sources tell CBS News. At least one teacher was wounded in the shooting that sent frightened pupils into the parking lot.

 

It is unclear if there was more than one gunman at the school.

 

Law enforcement sources told CBS News senior correspondent John Miller that preliminary and unconfirmed information indicates that the shooter was the father of a student.

 

The shooter was killed and apparently had two guns, a person with knowledge of the shooting told The Associated Press. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was still under way.

 

It wasn't clear how many people were injured at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. CBS Hartford affiliate WFSB-TV reports around 600 students attend the school.

 

Connecticut State Police spokesman Lt. Paul Vance described the situation to CBS New York station WCBS-AM as a "very serious school shooting."

 

A dispatcher at the Newtown Volunteer Ambulance Corps said a teacher had been shot in the foot and taken to Danbury Hospital.

 

Stephen Delgiadice said his 8-year-old daughter heard two big bangs and teachers told her to get in a corner. His daughter was fine.

 

"It's alarming, especially in Newtown, Connecticut, which we always thought was the safest place in America," he said.

 

Lisa Bailey, a Newtown resident with three children in Newtown schools, told CBSNewYork.com, "Newtown is a quiet town. I'd never expect this to happen here. It's so scary. Your kids are not safe anywhere."

 

The superintendent's office said the district had locked down schools in Newtown, about 60 miles northeast of New York City. Schools in neighboring towns also were locked down as a precaution.

 

State police said Newtown police called them around 9:40 a.m.

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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 23:51 | 3065637 MassDecep
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Matthew 8:16 - When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with [his] word, and healed all that were sick:
Matthew 8:28 - And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
Matthew 8:33  - And they that kept them fled, and went their ways into the city, and told every thing, and what was befallen to the possessed of the devils.
Mark 5:15 - And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 02:41 | 3065794 tekmike13
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People; plural? You are looking at the so-called Black Swan with this guy. Rather a Black Swan with orange polka-dots. Far, far left of the Gaussian curve. One in a trillion shot.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 07:31 | 3065963 samcontrol
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i agree but why do 9 out of 10 of these mass shootings occur in The USA?
So the question is, what is wrong with this country ?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 08:26 | 3066019 Widowmaker
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What kind of government shoots babies, too?  

ALL OF THEM.

Canceal to carry. You will save your own life and perhaps countless others.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:26 | 3063402 rotagen
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It's all worth it, apparently if the 1 percent can get our guns.  After 911, I don't believe any of this crap is NOT staged.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:27 | 3063404 Ruffcut
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As PURE as EVIL gets.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 23:53 | 3065640 MassDecep
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Psalm 12:8  - The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:12 | 3063660 Stoploss
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I want to know why these peoples families are not being incarcerated immediately after these events. ALL OF THEM.

 

I know why, because this is engineered, that's why.

 

You cant get rid of guns if there is no killing now can we???

 

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:55 | 3063921 Zap Powerz
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You think this is bad?  You think some asshole killing kids is bad?

This is nothing compared to what's coming.  Nothing at all.

This was an isolated incident in Conn.

Just wait until this is happening everywhere, all the time.  Civilization still goes on after this shooting.  Wait until there is no civilization to go on.  Wait until there is no police to respond.

Just wait, because we haven't seen anything yet.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:41 | 3064256 NewAmericaNow
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The governmnet has done Americans a great disservice by interfering with our right to defend ourselves with the illusion that the police will protect you. They can only count the bodies after the fact. Schools are now lawful gun free zones were the criminals are the only ones having them. This could have all been ended quickly by just one legally armed teacher. Those who are willing to give up their rights for the illusion of safety will have neither.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:10 | 3065275 F. Bastiat
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You got it. Central government, in particular, has become the biggest problem facing America.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 08:27 | 3066020 Widowmaker
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100% right.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:37 | 3064782 Pairadimes
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I grew up in Newtown. Graduated from the high school there (affectionately named the Sandy Hook Institute of Technology by us students) then moved away to go to college and graduate school, and returned only occasionally to see friends and family. I am in a state of shock right now. I would ask you all to keep these people in your prayers, and for the charitably minded, watch the Newtown Bee website (http://newtownbee.com/) for ways to help in the coming days.

Peace.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:46 | 3066699 X.inf.capt
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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 13:56 | 3063170 Darkness
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I hate to read articles like this, but am terrified this will only become more frequent in the new normal. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:05 | 3063208 Lin S
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It will be SOP until private firearms and ammunition ownership are outlawed.

These incidents are not random.  Someone has a plan.

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:09 | 3063260 JimBowie1958
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Fuck you bitch; just try and take my guns, whore.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:17 | 3063324 TheAntiBen
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Funny, I've never seen a mass shooting at a gun show?  Why is it the shooting is always at a place were guns are outlawed instead of where they are plentiful?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:40 | 3063492 mayhem_korner
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And how did anyone EVER die before there were guns? 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:56 | 3063557 Ruffcut
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yep,

guns bad

me need more guns

love me guns

I see them as weapons of defense and nothing else.

Me defend me guns, because they may defend me, someday.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:46 | 3065388 crusty curmudgeon
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I'm the product of a public education, but I seem to recall learning that there were actually WARS--where people killed each other on a grand scale--long before there were guns.  I know it sounds crazy.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:50 | 3063544 drivenZ
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this is not true as much as gun proponents like to say it is. How about the Gabriel giffords shooting? AZ has some pretty lax gun laws.   

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:55 | 3063579 Calculated_Risk
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Ya but the shooting was in tuscon, more specifically a liberal section of town that hates guns.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:01 | 3063600 lakecity55
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I beleive it was the Federal Judge, a Constructionist, who was the actual target at Tucson.

MKUltra.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:13 | 3063665 Calculated_Risk
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Going to support a democrat "representative". That is why there is a one party system. Watch what they do, not what they say.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:02 | 3063970 XitSam
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So you would expect to see more shooting incidents in AZ, yet there aren't.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:08 | 3063642 sullymandias
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Maybe because if you started shooting at a gun show you would be gunned down yourself in about 3 seconds?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:46 | 3063846 Cathartes Aura
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I'll hazard a guess,

maybe "gun shows" are full of like-minded folks, and the mass shooting happens when anger makes "others" out of humans, not similars.  y'know, like wars. . .

unless you're saying that the only thing that keeps gun owners from shooting up the place is mass gun ownership? 

that's rather sad, if you think about it.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:52 | 3063894 mayhem_korner
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Washington D.C. had the highest rate of violent, gun-involved crimes in the country for decades until...wait for it...just a little longer...they lifted the gun ban.  And then the violent crime rate dropped to levels consistent with other urban areas that don't restrict guns.

What is thy response, thou that cannot process logic?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:24 | 3064732 Cathartes Aura
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then give everyone a gun, every single human - get the kids little candy-coloured guns, and get 'em out there on the gun ranges, scaled down for size, of course.

but whatever you do, don't look at the why of shootings - just arm everyone, and let 'em work on each other.

what doet thou think of this solution, logically?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:32 | 3064971 Encroaching Darkness
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NO ONE, not the NRA, not even the Special Forces kill-em-all-and-let-God-sort-them-out types, advocates unlimited gun possession. How much straw does it take to build a strawman?

The mentally ill, the previously convicted, and the young (incompetent by age) are denied guns if ascertained unstable. Kids are frequently considered too unstable (YOU TOOK MY GIRLFRIEND, DAMMIT, NOW I'M GOING TO KILL YOU BOTH!) to have guns. Although when I was a kid, more kids went hunting and learned gun safety, and there were FEWER instances like this.

Creating schools as gun-free zones created this opportunity - this sick fuck just took advantage of a hole in security to kill babies.

Are you going to weep and moan, empower the Feds to kill us all without hindrance, or figure out some way to plug the hole in security?

What do you think of arming teachers WHO WANT TO BE, AND ARE TRAINED PROPERLY, to defend our children? Why is it that FOR THE CHILDREN doesn't apply to protecting them from lunatics?

Looking forward to YOUR solution.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:46 | 3065389 Cathartes Aura
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Are you going to weep and moan, empower the Feds to kill us all without hindrance, or figure out some way to plug the hole in security?

if I ever do, feel free to come at me with all yer guns loaded. . .

my solution?

stop giving your beloved children to the state to train/educate in their most tender years.  take fucking responsibility for what you've brought into the world, and give up some precious "me" time to be spent learning who your kids ARE, and who they desire to BECOME - see if you can offer up some gentle guidance and support.

don't let the state you despise have your kids.  because if you do, then you've zero room to complain at how they "turn out"

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:17 | 3063330 markovchainey
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Sorry, I gave you a down arrow and then realized (I think) that you're not advocating outlawing guns and ammo, but rather stating that this shit will continue until the bastards have been able to outlaw guns and ammo.  TPTB have a plan...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:48 | 3063533 Lin S
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You read me right.  I am 100% in favor of We The People owning whatever they wish, same as military or police, without restriction, if they so choose.  I am pro-2nd all the way.

What I was trying to say - and think may have been misunderstood - is that someone, somewhere, has a goal of total civilian disarmament, and they will keep working toward that goal until they succeed.  I would love to be wrong, but fear that I am not.

Thanks for your encouragement, I appreciate it.

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:30 | 3064523 cougar_w
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I keep trying to read your comment differently ... but are you saying that "someone" is arming lunatics and deliberately sending them to kill children so that they can come back later and ourlaw gun ownership?

Just wondering.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:25 | 3064739 Cathartes Aura
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that has to be the reasoning.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:40 | 3064998 cougar_w
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Ah I see then.

What madness grips us.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:48 | 3065204 Encroaching Darkness
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Huh? What level of proof would you accept?

You are aware of the MKULTRA material? The guy that jumped out of a skyscraper in NJ because of the drugs he was given? Psychiatric and police films of dope addicts lifting couches with BROKEN ARMS and continuing to attack with several bullets in them?

If your goal was total control over a nation and you had no scruples about killing anyone standing in your way, how would you go about it? Maybe by planting a few doped folks to run rampant and kill people, even children, to justify disarming the people?

Our government has ALREADY ADMITTED running guns to drug dealers in Mexico; said guns already killed two of our own  (R.I.P. Agents BrianTerry and Jaime Zapata, plus all the innocent Mexicans also killed with Fast & Furious guns). Is it madness when we wonder if more has been done?

Never mind, ignorance is bliss; who would want to live in such a country, where the government would sell guns to drug dealers, lie about it, and have the media sweep it under the rug for them?

We're not nearly paranoid ENOUGH.

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:13 | 3065285 A Lunatic
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Can we please use the term psychopath rather than lunatic??

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:25 | 3063388 blunderdog
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    These incidents are not random.  Someone has a plan.

Nah, you're a paranoid freak.  This is not an evil conspiracy: this is the result of a hateful society going through economic trauma.

It WILL be getting a lot worse, for sure.  But not because someone is doing it on-purpose, but because people filled with anger (at whoever) and hopelessness (because of impossible living conditions) tend to SNAP very violently.

Watch what happens after the fiscal cliff, when everyone in the country has just even a little bit LESS money to try to survive on...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:28 | 3063418 forexskin
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lets swap positions for the burden of proof. there have been just too many coincidences - let the gov assert that people have a right to defend themselves against shit like this and i might agree with you.

jus sayin.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:37 | 3063482 youngman
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For some reason we decided as a society that Grand Theft Auto is better then Ozzie and Harriet

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:49 | 3063530 Captain Kink
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someone in the administrtion will, within the week, suggest that perhaps, just maybe, we ought to "have a national conversation" about gun rights in America.

Get your arms NOW.  Guns will be outlawed.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:32 | 3064536 cougar_w
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Yes do it now before the government comes along with a plan to keep anyone else from going out in a blaze of glory.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:45 | 3064590 The Joker
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Good timing.  Obama just said exactly that in his press conference.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 04:08 | 3065846 smart girl
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Sat, 12/15/2012 - 04:02 | 3065848 smart girl
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Keep your head. Lobby congress. It will probably amount to an ID and dossier on who owns guns. Our government, sadly, has been divorced from the people and the truth for quite some time.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:32 | 3063453 JimBowie1958
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I agree, it is not a conspiracy.

It is the net product of the insanity that touchy-feely libtards thinking produces, where people are not responsible, the environment is responsible for bad things that happen.

These kinds of massacres will continue as long as the libtards are in charge of things.

One day they finally wont be (from either party) and reason and sanity just might return and some semblance of safety along with it.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 04:06 | 3065851 smart girl
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It's not a Democrat or Republican thing anymore. It's a corruption of our Constitution "Thing". It's criminal acts that were committed by our own government while we were not paying attention "Thing". The more we unite the better off we will be. Peace Love Harmony Joy, Guiding Light, Prayers.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:44 | 3063498 vato poco
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Well, let's think for just a second about that "ain't no conspiracy" notion. IIRC - and I'm pretty sure I do - it was a 'kindergarten/elementary school' mass shooting by 'a crazed loner' that was the impetus for the outlawing of firearms in England/Scotland. Australia also "decided" to outlaw firearms after a similar incident: the Port Arthur incident of 1996. (Where the "mentally deranged" assailant demonstrated suspiciously excellent shooting-from-the-hip marksmanship....)

How's the saying go? Once is an anomaly; twice is a trend; *Three times*......

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