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Newtown Shooter Had Asperger Syndrome, And Some US Gun Facts
Update: The focus now shifts to the mother, the first casualty of her son's murderous rampage, who was a "big, big gun fan" as the NYT explains, and who went target shooting with her children, one of whom had Asperger's.
From the NYT:
She was “a big, big gun fan” who went target shooting with her children, according to friends. She enjoyed craft beers, jazz and landscaping. She was generous to strangers, but also high-strung, as if she were holding herself together.
Nancy Lanza was the first victim in a massacre carried out on Friday by her son Adam Lanza, 20, who shot her dead with a gun apparently drawn from her own collection, then drove her car to Sandy Hook Elementary School, where he killed 26 people, 20 of them small children, officials said.
At craft beer tastings on Tuesday evenings, he recalled, she liked to talk about her gun collection.
“She had several different guns,” he said. “I don’t know how many. She would go target shooting with her kids.”
Law enforcement officials said they believed that the guns were acquired lawfully and registered.
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She was “a big, big gun fan,” he added on his Web site.
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As we reported last night, buried inside the NYT biopic of Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was arguably one of the most important missing pieces in the story, at least so far, which could provide clues into partially explaining yesterday's tragic loss of young life, namely that the 20 year old man suffered from Asperger Syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism (two conditions which are being merged in the upcoming update of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-5) manual of mental disorders), which has been traditionally associated with social communication difficulties, including flat affect, and one which in some clinical studies has been shown to have a causal link to violence. In other words, in addition to the surge in the debate over national gun control and access limitations (ignoring that the perpetrator of the biggest school mass murder in US history - the Bath School disaster - used openly purchased dynamite and no guns, also ignoring that in the US there are roughly 300 million firearms), perhaps there should also be a broad discussion as to the risks of social misadoption of children with autism and other social and behavioral disorders.
He was an honors student who lived in a prosperous neighborhood with his mother, a well-liked woman who enjoyed hosting dice games and decorating the house for the holidays.
Now Adam Lanza is suspected of killing his mother and then gunning down more than two dozen people, 20 of them children, at a Connecticut grade school before taking his own life.
The 20-year-old may have suffered from a personality disorder, law enforcement officials said.
The New York Times reported Saturday morning that several people told the newspaper that Lanza had Asperger’s syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism.
The Times reported Lanza did not have a Facebook page and did not pose for a high school yearbook picture.
He was described as socially awkward and was known in high school as “intelligent, but nervous and fidgety, spitting his words out, as if having to speak up were painful.”
Investigators were trying to learn as much as possible about Lanza and questioned his older brother, who is not believed to have any involvement in the rampage.
Lanza killed his mother at their home before driving her car to Sandy Hook Elementary School and — armed with at least two handguns — carried out the massacre, officials said.
A third weapon, a .223-caliber rifle, was found in the car, and more guns were found inside the school.
So far, authorities have not spoken publicly of any possible motive. Witnesses said the shooter didn’t utter a word.
Catherine Urso, who was attending a vigil Friday evening in Newtown, Conn., said her college-age son knew the killer and remembered him for his alternative style.
“He just said he was very thin, very remote and was one of the goths,” she said.
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Adam Lanza’s older brother, 24-year-old Ryan Lanza of Hoboken, N.J., was being questioned, a law enforcement official said. He told authorities that his brother was believed to suffer from a personality disorder, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record about the unfolding investigation.
The official did not elaborate, and it was unclear exactly what type of disorder he might have had.
Ryan Lanza had been extremely cooperative and was not under arrest or in custody, but investigators were still searching his computers and phone records. Ryan Lanza told law enforcement he had not been in touch with his brother since about 2010.
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Adam Lanza attended Newtown High School, and several local news clippings from recent years mention his name among the school’s honor roll students.
And while much needed insight into the shooter's abnormal mental state is critical before passing judgment, the reality is that Lanza - who may well have been mentally disturbed - should certainly not have had access to the arsenal of weapons he ultimately used in perpetrating yesterday's tragedy. The much debated question, of course, that is already emerging is whose responsibility is it to limit such access: that of the individual, that of the closest family members, or that of the state, and if it is the latter, then the question becomes one of practical enforceability in a country where the second amendment is deeply engrained in the popular psychology, and where there are nearly as many guns as people.
Some more facts and figures - without opinions - on US weapons from justfacts.com
Introductory Notes
This research is based upon the most recent available data in 2010. Facts from earlier years are cited based upon availability and relevance, not to slant results by singling out specific years that are different from others. Likewise, data associated with the effects of gun control laws in various geographical areas represent random, demographically diverse places in which such data is available.
Many aspects of the gun control issue are best measured and sometimes can only be measured through surveys,[1] but the accuracy of such surveys depends upon respondents providing truthful answers to questions that are sometimes controversial and potentially incriminating.[2] Thus, Just Facts uses such data critically, citing the best-designed surveys we find, detailing their inner workings in our footnotes, and using the most cautious plausible interpretations of the results.
Particularly, when statistics are involved, the determination of what constitutes a credible fact (and what does not) can contain elements of personal subjectivity. It is our mission to minimize subjective information and to provide highly factual content. Therefore, we are taking the additional step of providing readers with four examples to illustrate the type of material that was excluded because it did not meet Just Facts' Standards of Credibility.
General Facts
Firearms are generally classified into three broad types: (1) handguns, (2) rifles, and (3) shotguns.[3] Rifles and shotguns are both considered "long guns."
A semi-automatic firearm fires one bullet each time the trigger is pulled and automatically loads another bullet for the next pull of the trigger. A fully automatic firearm (sometimes called a "machine gun") fires multiple bullets with the single pull of the trigger.[4]
Ownership
As of 2009, the United States has a population of 307 million people.[5]
Based on production data from firearm manufacturers,[6] there are roughly 300 million firearms owned by civilians in the United States as of 2010. Of these, about 100 million are handguns.[7]
Based upon surveys, the following are estimates of private firearm ownership in the U.S. as of 2010:
| Households With a Gun | Adults Owning a Gun | Adults Owning a Handgun | |
| Percentage | 40-45% | 30-34% | 17-19% |
| Number | 47-53 million | 70-80 million | 40-45 million |
A 2005 nationwide Gallup poll of 1,012 adults found the following levels of firearm ownership:
| Category |
Percentage Owning a Firearm |
| Households | 42% |
| Individuals | 30% |
| Male | 47% |
| Female | 13% |
| White | 33% |
| Nonwhite | 18% |
| Republican | 41% |
| Independent | 27% |
| Democrat | 23% |
In the same poll, gun owners stated they own firearms for the following reasons:
| Protection Against Crime | 67% |
| Target Shooting | 66% |
| Hunting | 41% |
Crime and Self-Defense
Roughly 16,272 murders were committed in the United States during 2008. Of these, about 10,886 or 67% were committed with firearms.[11]
A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 0.5% of households had members who had used a gun for defense during a situation in which they thought someone "almost certainly would have been killed" if they "had not used a gun for protection." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 162,000 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard."[12]
Based on survey data from the U.S. Department of Justice, roughly 5,340,000 violent crimes were committed in the United States during 2008. These include simple/aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders.[13] [14] [15] Of these, about 436,000 or 8% were committed by offenders visibly armed with a gun.[16]
Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18]
A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 3.5% of households had members who had used a gun "for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 1,029,615 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard."[19]
A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year.[20]
A 1982 survey of male felons in 11 state prisons dispersed across the U.S. found:[21]
• 34% had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"
• 40% had decided not to commit a crime because they "knew or believed that the victim was carrying a gun"
• 69% personally knew other criminals who had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"[22]
Click here to see why the following commonly cited statistic does not meet Just Facts' Standards of Credibility: "In homes with guns, the homicide of a household member is almost 3 times more likely to occur than in homes without guns."
Vulnerability to Violent Crime
At the current homicide rate, roughly one in every 240 Americans will be murdered.[23]
A U.S. Justice Department study based on crime data from 1974-1985 found:
• 42% of Americans will be the victim of a completed violent crime (assault, robbery, rape) in the course of their lives
• 83% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime
• 52% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime more than once[24]
A 1997 survey of more than 18,000 prison inmates found that among those serving time for a violent crime, "30% of State offenders and 35% of Federal offenders carried a firearm when committing the crime."[25]
Right-to-Carry Laws
Right-to-carry laws permit individuals who meet certain "minimally restrictive" criteria (such as completion of a background check and gun safety course) to carry concealed firearms in most public places.[95] Concealed carry holders must also meet the minimum federal requirements for gun ownership as detailed above.
Each state has its own laws regarding right-to-carry and generally falls into one of three main categories:
1) "shall-issue" states, where concealed carry permits are issued to all qualified applicants
2) "may-issue" states, where applicants must often present a reason for carrying a firearm to an issuing authority, who then decides based on his or her discretion whether the applicant will receive a permit
3) "no-issue" states, where concealed carry is generally forbidden
As of January 2012:
40 states are shall-issue:
| Alaska | Arizona | Arkansas | Colorado |
| Florida | Georgia | Idaho | Indiana |
| Iowa | Kansas | Kentucky | Louisiana |
| Maine | Michigan | Minnesota | Mississippi |
| Missouri | Montana | Nebraska | Nevada |
| New Hampshire | New Mexico | North Carolina | North Dakota |
| Ohio | Oklahoma | Oregon | Pennsylvania |
| Rhode Island | South Carolina | South Dakota | Tennessee |
| Texas | Utah | Vermont | Virginia |
| Washington | West Virginia | Wisconsin | Wyoming |
9 states are may-issue:
| Alabama | California | Connecticut | Delaware |
| Hawaii | Maryland | Massachusetts | New Jersey |
| New York |
Accidents
In 2007, there were 613 fatal firearm accidents in the United States, constituting 0.5% of 123,706 fatal accidents that year.[120]
Fatal firearm accidents in 2007 by age groups:
| Age Group | Fatal Firearm Accidents | |
| Raw number | Portion of fatal accidents
from all causes |
|
| <1 yrs | 1 | 0.1% |
| 1-4 yrs | 18 | 1.1% |
| 5-9 yrs | 20 | 2.1% |
| 10-14 yrs | 26 | 2.1% |
| 15-24 yrs | 155 | 1.0% |
| 25-34 yrs | 94 | 0.6% |
| 35-44 yrs | 91 | 0.5% |
| 45-54 yrs | 82 | 0.4% |
| 55-64 yrs | 57 | 0.5% |
| 65+ yrs | 69 | 0.2% |
Non-Fatal
In 2007, there were roughly 15,698 emergency room visits for non-fatal firearm accidents,[123] constituting 0.05% of 27.7 million emergency room visits for non-fatal accidents that year.[124]
These emergency room visits for non-fatal firearm accidents resulted in 5,045 hospitalizations,[125] constituting 0.4% of 1.4 million non-fatal accident hospitalizations that year.[126]
Criminal Justice System
Nationwide in 2008, law enforcement agencies reported that 55% of aggravated assaults, 27% of robberies, 40% of rapes, and 64% of murders that were reported to police resulted in an alleged offender being arrested and turned over for prosecution.[26] [27]
Currently, for every 12 aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders committed in the United States, approximately one person is sentenced to prison for committing such a crime.[28] [29] [30]
A 2002 U.S. Justice Department study of 272,111 felons released from state prisons in 1994 found that within three years of their release:
• at least 67.5% had been arrested for committing a new offense
• at least 21.6% had been arrested for committing a new violent offense
• these former inmates had been charged with committing at least 2,871 new homicides, 2,444 new rapes, 3,151 other new sexual assaults, 2,362 new kidnappings, 21,245 new robberies, 54,604 new assaults, and 13,854 other new violent crimes[31]
Of 1,662 murders committed in New York City during 2003-2005, more than 90% were committed by people with criminal records.[32]
Washington, DC
In 1976, the Washington, D.C. City Council passed a law generally prohibiting residents from possessing handguns and requiring that all firearms in private homes be (1) kept unloaded and (2) rendered temporally inoperable via disassembly or installation of a trigger lock. The law became operative on Sept. 24, 1976.[33] [34]
On June 26, 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court, in a 5-4 ruling, struck down this law as unconstitutional.[35]
During the years in which the D.C. handgun ban and trigger lock law was in effect, the Washington, D.C. murder rate averaged 73% higher than it was at the outset of the law, while the U.S. murder rate averaged 11% lower.[37]
Britain
In 1920, Britain passed a law requiring civilians to obtain a certificate from their district police chief in order to purchase or possess any firearm except a shotgun. To obtain this certificate, the applicant had to pay a fee, and the chief of police had to be "satisfied" that the applicant had "good reason for requiring such a certificate" and did not pose a "danger to the public safety or to the peace." The certificate had to specify the types and quantities of firearms and ammunition that the applicant could purchase and keep.[38]
In 1968, Britain made the 1920 law stricter by requiring civilians to obtain a certificate from their district police chief in order to purchase or possess a shotgun. This law also required that firearm certificates specify the identification numbers ("if known") of all firearms and shotguns owned by the applicant.[39]
In 1997, Britain passed a law requiring civilians to surrender almost all privately owned handguns to the police. More than 162,000 handguns and 1.5 million pounds of ammunition were "compulsorily surrendered" by February 1998. Using "records of firearms held on firearms certificates," police accounted for all but fewer than eight of all legally owned handguns in England, Scotland, and Wales.[40]
† Homicide data is published according to the years in which the police initially reported the offenses as homicides, which are not always the same years in which the incidents took place.
‡ Large anomalies unrelated to guns:
2000: 58 Chinese people suffocated to death in a shipping container en route to the UK
2002: 172 homicides reported when Dr. Harold Shipman was exposed for killing his patients
2003: 20 cockle pickers drowned resulting in manslaughter charges
2005: 52 people were killed in the July 7th London subway/bus bombings
Not counting the above-listed anomalies, the homicide rate in England and Wales has averaged 52% higher since the outset of the 1968 gun control law and 15% higher since the outset of the 1997 handgun ban.[42]
Chicago
In 1982, the city of Chicago instituted a ban on handguns. This ban barred civilians from possessing handguns except for those registered with the city government prior to enactment of the law. The law also specified that such handguns had to be re-registered every two years or owners would forfeit their right to possess them. In 1994, the law was amended to require annual re-registration.[43] [44] [45]
In the wake of Chicago's handgun ban, at least five suburbs surrounding Chicago instituted similar handgun bans. When the Supreme Court overturned the District of Columbia's handgun ban in June 2008, at least four of these suburbs repealed their bans.[46] [47] [48] [49] [50]
In June 2010, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (5-4) that Chicago's ban is unconstitutional.[51]
Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the Chicago murder rate has averaged 17% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 25% lower.[53]
Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect.[55]
In 2005, 96% of the firearm murder victims in Chicago were killed with handguns.[56]
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
"Individual criminals wreak their carnage on individuals or small numbers of people. As this century has shown, tyrannical gov'ts have the capacity to commit genocide against millions of people, provided that the people are unarmed. Schemes to confiscate Arms kept by peacable citizens have historically been associated with some of the most insidious tryannies."
So go ahead Mr. President, show your true colors and do what you want to do, infringe upon our 2nd amendment rights!
Guns are only needed to protect us from tyranical governments.
Everyone knows we have a wonderful and ethical government that would never lie or do anything to injure one of its slaves....opps citizens.
I think a ban on medication and mind altering pharmacuticles would be more effective than a gun ban.
amen and plus 1,000,000.
people have no idea how dangerous this shit really is, and as long as there is a fortune to be made they never will...
Great. Another demand for big-government intervention. Don't you guys ever give up?
Yeah that's a great idea to treat mental illness patients. We can take an 18th century approach and teach them 'better morality' because mental illness is obviously caused by a lack of individual's morality and poor ethics.
Wait for some Congressman to pull the Patriot Act II out of a dusty desk drawer and say, "Hey, I have a solution to school shootings." Then you should be very suspicious...especially since the Fed is now doing unsterilized quantitative easing and everyone is lining up in the Middle East for a full regional war.
It is obvious that "the people" are the problem so we must rid the world of them. Send in the clowns.
http://americanfreepress.net/podcast/ScottDeCarlo64.mp3
"Guns Don't Kill People - Democrats Do".
While the media always tries to blame these tragic incidents on the NRA, the Tea Party or some other right wing group, when the dust settles it usually turns out that the person was a Democrat.
When a Democrat goes to register a gun, this should immediately set off a red flag as to the person's mental status - the Democrat party platform is anti-gun, Democrats are not encouraged to think for themselves, so the act of buying a gun in an of its self is cognitive dissonance.
Perhaps the Republican House should pass a Bill requiring all Democrats (and people under 25 who are not registered Republicans) to have a psychiatric evaluation before being allowed to purchase a gun. However, John Boehner is still on the waiting list for a backbone transplant, so this is unlikely to happen.
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'Zactly. Blue people in Blue states. I guess every crypto-fascist knows knows for a fact that career criminals and gangstas don't really kill people, it's gun toting conservatives who go to church. They'll even tell you so!
Obama is their guy! So why is CT, OR, CO, WI, CA, NY, MA all going nuts and so unhappy? Even Jared Loughner was a pothead skull-worshipper in Blue Tuscon and had gone to a 'special' Ayers/Obama Annenberg High School. My personal favorite was the enviro-wacko who commandeered Discovery Place in NY (?) at gunpoint. Maj. Hasan and other Muslim perps get the obligatory ethnic pass because, well, they're now the victims, or something....
Maybe we should look at the systematic subversion of societal norms, values, family units, the economy, rule of law, and children overexposured to violent images via the MSM. Guns have been around forever, these are the only things that have really changed.
Let's not forget Colin Ferguson on the LI Railway who was from Jamacia. Ferguson was a racist who hated whites. Leftists William Kunstler and Ron Kuby offered to be his attorney. They used the Black Rage defense. I.E. Racism made him do it.
Or John Muhammed and Lee Malvo. Lee Malvo was an illegal alien from the Bahamas. Maybe Tarentino can celebrate them in his new Kill Whitey film.
But you're not a fascist right, you just want to decide who has guns based on their party membership.
This is why you never give any president the power to decide who is or isnt a domestic terrorist, a Republican govt asked for laws against domestic terrorism (patriot act) and got them, now a Dem govt uses those laws against you and you cry for a whaambulance?
Yeah, obviously just another Stalin waiting for his big chance. The funny part is, he draws support for that shit from the even LESS well-endowed.
Why was he wearing a mask? If he got the guns from his mom, which is hard to believe, where did he get the bullet proof vest? Why the bullet proof vest? Was he expecting the kindergarten kids to be armed? Why the bullet proof vest if he was going to kill himself? How did he get in the school? I read yesterday multiple times that he was buzzed in. The absurdity of someone buzzing in a masked man with a bulletproof vest and guns has been changed to he "forced his way in". How was a "crazy" autistic guy who was a computer book nerd become so proficient with a weapon? How in this supposed unbalanced insane state was he able to be such a cool killer? None of it makes sense to me, not buying the official story.
with you
It seems the MSM just throws tons of shit to see what sticks. The story has changed so many times that if one was doing a crime investigation the MSM would be arrested.
It is by design. Logical Fallacy: Emotional Appeal
why did he have his brother's id?
and how did he manage to fly that 767 into the tower?
The NYT bio said Asperger's, an autism SCALE disorder, in which they are high functioning, like oh, Mike Burry, which name should ring a bell if you are zero hedge head, which is a kind of information hungry financial disorders obsessive.
So, what I've hearing from the story so far is:
1) he took the guns from his mother
2) he shot his mother
3) he loaded up all his gear into the car, along with using his brother's ID (driver's license? an old, expired one?)
4) he drove to the school, where he either: a) was buzzed in or b) smashed a window and climbed in
5) the body armor makes sense if he was planning to go to another place, like his father's place of work. He walks out to the car, puts the rifle in, then says "fuck it", goes back into the school and shoots himself with one of the pistols
Me neither. I'd like to know many things such as for how long was the guy inside shooting without anybody trying to stop him or inmediately calling for help, what kind of bullets are in the bodies and how many, how did he managed to handle all those guns, what was the dynamic of the shooting, what is the people who saw him saying, why should he had killed his mother, and and and and and and....
There are going to be lots of statistics and if they are referenced by the media, particularly surveys done by leftists, they will be suspect. The media will use all of these to achieve stronger gun control.
Huffington Post today mentions or discusses on its front page "gun control" -- on the day of this of this national tragedy -- 19 times.
And where will the statistics and support come from for the greatest deterrent to these public massacres: concealed carry?
An intelligent man I heard interviewed yesterday had been standing just outside one of the classrooms, having gone to the school for an errand, when he heard what he thought might have been chairs dropped by a custodian.
The children in the classroom were listening to a story and up to that point he hadn’t wanted to disturb them but then, going into the classroom, he continued to hear the noise: “I was in the military for quite a while and so I then knew what those sound were.”
He asked the teacher to have the students go over to the corner and sit down and to continue reading the story, saying, there’s a little commotion down the hall. The teacher continued the story with the kids sitting on the floor in the corner, as he suggested.
The shots continued for several minutes, he said. And all he could think of to do was to keep the children there.
Supposing he had been allowed to carry a weapon into the school? He could have saved children by going to the scene of the crime and stopping the killer. But, like in post offices, courthouses, schools, and other restricted premises, the murderer could be confident that he had full access to as many victims as he wanted -- without anyone trying to stop him.
I'm going to wait a week until somebody digs out the actual facts of this tragedy and skip the spin doctoring.
'First with the news' is usually a loser bet.
It's always good to allow enough time for the co-conspirators, if any, to get their stories straight.
Mucho Gracias ZH for sane facts on gun statistics and personal safety.
"More Guns, Less Crime," John Lott, Univ. of Chicago economist and lawyer, wrote the definitive book of stats on the subject. He showed city by city, county by county across the USA that jurisdictions with lenient guns laws were much safer and better off than those who restricted guns. Criminals, despite their reputations, are smart enough to go to gun grabbing jurisdictions to commit crimes -- like Chicago, Detroit, DC, Houston, Philadelphia, and NOLA.
One only has to look at Mexico and see what draconian guns laws will do to a society. Drug cartels terrorize entire towns. If the socialists really want draconian guns laws maybe they should first start by calling out Obama for arming the cartels and Al-Qaeda to kill us.... waiting......
"More drugs, less pain"
That is what drugs addicts experience when they are unable to go through the serverange period.
The US is in the same situation.
Claiming that the US could move toward a gun less society is fantasy, 'american' style.
"The 20-year-old may have suffered from a personality disorder, law enforcement officials said". Boy, that's a damming statement.
Tylers, your out of your league. If you can assert that aspergers (a nebulous pigeon hole that has no test) is dangerous, than your apocalyptic nightmare will come true. Statistics support "Aspergers" as being endemic amoung today's youth, which could also explain the popularity of Objectivism.
If in fact this troubled youth was medicated by psychotropic drugs, your best argument would be to look at the long term effects of big pharma drugs given to the "Aspergers" afflicted youth.
Looking at what governments do can attract one to Objectivism.
Also, people who condemn the most vociferifously, wathc them the closest. They are posing. Demagogues pose. Snake oil salesmen pose. The most successful pedophiles inserted into churches and daycares and childrens sports program pose. They have GOOD intentions, unlike the selfish bastards worshipping the message of Ayn Rand or ... capitalism...private property...individual responsibility...achievement. The. Hor-ror.
I think you seriously struggle with reading comprehension if you think the Tyler's made an assertion about Aspergers as a direct cause.
Great. Now every parent is going to look sideways at the parents and their kid diagnosed with something.
Let's divide the country even more.
yes, not now just imagine what would happen if some kind of public gun owners registry list were to become law where anybody could see who has guns. several states have already tried, but thankfully so far failed to enact exactly that, where just by purchasing a firearm you end up listed on a public registry, much like a sex offender...
a gun in the home and a child with a diagnoses.
talk about selling the drama and stoking the paranoia.
Well let's just ignore the problem then! Case closed.
I call BS on the authorites claiming he had his brother's ID as their excuse for the mix-up in who they initially named. The brother stated he hadn't seen Adam since "around 2010." How, then, would the shooter have access to his ID?
Unless I'm missing something, I think some idiot dreamed up that story to cover his ass.
Technically, the guy at the Bath Disaster did use a rifle to ignite the bomb in his car by shooting at the dynamite... He also accidentally burned his mother to death (by throwing water on her during an otherwise minor oil fire) and beat a horse to death in front of neighbors - so, maybe he wasn't the best guy to have on the School Board.
That is good one.
'Americans' have had this kicking the can trick since their beginning: every situation can be reversed.
As such, it relieves them from treating a situation when it can be dealt with. One good pretext to keep kicking the can.
But there are points of no return (which 'americans' are well aware of since they seek them)
The US society, as peopled by 'americans' is past the point of withdrawing guns from it. No ban could work as guns are so common, easy to find and acquire and so many jobs and special interests are tied to the guns trade.
Discussing a possible ban in the US is moot point. Foretelling the consequences of decrease in guns in the US is moot point: 'americans' are not able to make it from their heavily saturated guns society.
It is like drugs. A drugs addicted might go better by cutting drugs but he has to endure the severance period to achieve that. Which is painful.
In the meantime, as the drugs addicted is unable to discipline himself and take the pain, he can always consider that he is better taking drugs than suffering pain while knowing it will never make it to the other side of the bridge.
More guns in the US is the default better solutions as US americans are unable to make it toward a gun less society.
American society has been around for the blink of an eye in terms of history. Seems to me the rest of the world has been doing quite well to slaughter millions and generally fuck up the world all on it's own way before America.
Why the one trick show? Is that all you have? So sad. It makes you none better than any of your statements. Just a reflexion of them - and a poor one at that.
'Americans' has been around for the blink of an eye and they have already achieved so much.
They are out of the league when it comes to stuff like that.
Places like China or Indianever managed to cleanse ethnically their areas in 3000 years while 'americans' managed so much in less than 250 years.
'Americans' lust for symetry whenever it comes to bad consequences. They would want to imagine they are exceptional when it comes to achieve good consequences and so common for bad consequences.
In reality, 'Americans' are monotonously common when it comes to good consequences and outstandingly exceptional when it comes to bad consequences.
It is no one trick show to point at the legacy of 'americanism' wherever it is.
The differences between people in the past and 'americans' today is 'americanism'
But indeed, under 'american' pressure, these exceptional behaviours are going to turn the norm among human beings, not only for the future but through propaganda, for the past.
All I can do is laugh and feel sorry for you. It is quite simply a "one trick show" to pound the same drum to the same rhythm over and over. There is no depth to anything you offer. You only play with labels. Cheap and offensive. Clearly you are victim of your own narrow upbringing. "Americanism" just like "Europeanism" or anything other label is what the weak is sold by governments (and marketing firms, religions, etc.) to attach whatever it is they want you to feel about that word. Clearly we see how you feel about the word "Americanism" and through that we can see your programming and weakness.
AnAnonymous is affected with a remarkable sense of self-loathing. His repeated ridiculous claims about 'Americanism' are textbook examples of projecting one's own unpleasant characteristics onto others. Every fault he finds with Americans is merely another repulsive aspect of his own wretched existence.
He wallows in his own sickness.
ChiCom agitprop
A one-stop chop shop
Murder and terror
None do it berror.
Once you exclude 'americans'
Indeed, 'americans' are so out of this world, so fuoriclasse it is unfair to include them in any attempt to measure up achievements in those fields.
Made me laugh.
Nope. Include everybody.
AnAnonymous said:
Ipocrisia travolgente! Chinese citizenism style on display here, eternal nature of denialism and refusal to self indiction being in prominence.
Typical AnAnonymutated case of the wok calling the cooking marmit black.
Breivik was not an American. All countries are populated with evil. We reserve and revere the right to bear arms to help combat this evil. Without weapons to supress it evil would rule the world.
have we heard from the janitor or the person who survived the shot to the foot?
The same arguments repeated over and over. Step back a moment and look at the dynamic. This country is locked in a positive feedback loop, not of gun violence - that's just hysteria whipped up by the MSM - but of gun ownership. Every time a Sandy Hook happens, more guns are sold to more people who have never owned a gun, pulled into the vortex by a media war fueled by fear.
I was brought up in the gun culture. Accidents sometimes happened, two deaths in my own family over several generations. My father-in-law almost died in a hunting accident. Tragic, but people moved on. The issue wasn't politicized like today. I know where I stand, but not out of enthusiasm. We are trapped in an "irrepressible conflict" to borrow a phrase coined just before the Civil War, involving two cultures with increasingly polarized views of the world.
If one looks at the struggle over gun rights over the last several decades, the conclusion is inescapable: gun rights have triumphed. Listen to the MSM; they have virtually conceded in all important respects. "Mission accomplished"? Not at all. Guns are simple to operate, anyone can learn how to use one with an hour's instruction. More and more, the statists are or will be arming themselves. The issue isn't guns; the real issue is an epic breakdown of our "multicultural society."
Damn it almost sounds like I'm channelling that gloating one-trick pony AnAnus above. Wasn't intentional.
You can't begin to learn how to use a gun in an hour and they are only simply to operate if you mean loading & firing.
How about the thousands of babies killed through abortion? No outrage about that. Let's face it, the US is in the kid killing business.
False moral equivalence.
And your point is?
By the way, it works exactly as for the debt.
On this site, you've got 'americans' who behave the 'american' way.
They tell that the debt issues must be dealt with to progress toward a better general state. But before reaching that point, there will be pain and things are going to get uglier before bettering.
And similarly, charts could be produced to show that furthering the debt period could alleviate the situations.
Quite natural, for 'americans', everything is situational.
But what must be underlined: they all behave the same way.
Substitute guns for debt, debt for guns and boom, the same treatment of the situation will be taken.
For 'americans', it all depends on the side you are on.
why is it the swiss can issue military grade weapons to its citizens without issue? This is the society a majority of Americans asked for. Check our ultra violent video games, movies, and TV shows.
I don't own a gun b/c I want to protect myself against "the State". I know I'm drawing dead against their firepower.
I own one b/c I want to protect myself against the random ferality of mankind.
People still don't seem to get we are simple organisms, and really, just a few million years since we evolved from apes.
We are just hairless apes that can communicate with one another in many ways. Despite the technology, despite our empathetic and altruistic nature (for some of us)........the problems we face in our world today are CREATED by humans. Guns were CREATED by humans (and in most cases, distributed by governments).
Despite what I tell the ladies, I don't have a magic wand that can eliminate not only every firearm in the world, but all the stress, anger, and pent up aggressive we have inside from years of fighting against each other and the elements (like the cavemen vs the wild).
You can't "kill" aggression; yet that is what people are calling for after this. It's short sighted, dumb, and quite frankly, proves that we are probably stagnant in our process to evolve as organisms (or even de-evolving).
Remember, there is a reason the banks and military have more guns than you. It's called, "selective evolution".
They haven't killed you yet, because they need you for your slave labor (paid in fiat).
I don't own a gun b/c I want to protect myself against "the State". I know I'm drawing dead against their firepower.
I own one b/c I want to protect myself against the random ferality of mankind.
________________
Best.
It take an 'american' to outdo an 'american'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4eDYq5lUUw
You forgot to capitalise American.
"It take an 'american' to outdo an 'american'."
Thanks for the laugh.
A bunch of Afghan goat-herders seem to be doing just fine.
You make a lot of very broad generalizations about humans, while neglecting the fact that it is mostly American male humans who commit mass murders.
A whole bunch of military choppers flying low in formation heading towards Newtown. It may or may not mean anything, I don't know.
Show of force.
I have been told that it was the presidential advance team. Apparently he wants to come here and use dead babies as a backdrop to try to take our guns. Looks like another crisis will not go to waste.
Zombie mobilization.
If guns don´t kill people, what else are they made for?
protection against force
What about exercise of force?
Funny 'americans' It is no longer 1777 but they keep acting as if it was.
Interesting to see Chinese desperately trying to fashion homemade cannons to protect themselves. Guess the feeling of responsibility for one's family and community are sort of... universal?
(Take your one trick show elsewhere.)
For a small shipping and handling fee, you can create your own 'Gun Free Zone' anywhere you want. Get yours.....today!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7pGt_O1uM8
Protection against or exercise of?
It´s in the eye of the beholder.
No wonder your once great "empire" is dying though.
What are knives made for? When you ask stupid questions, I answer with stupid questions.
A gun is a weapon designed to kill large mammals. A bullet proof vest and prudent behavoir would be examples of protection.
Mine are varmint guns. 2 and 4 legged ones.
To make bullets go really really fast.
For my freedom silly.
Somewhere in the buried "facts" is that President Obama's Drone War has killed an estimated 187 "terrorist" children during his first term.
Does Obama, Bloomberg, the democrats or the Christ-killing media have any tears for the children murdered in Pakistan, or Gaza by Obama's proxies?
They want your guns so you have no method to protect yourself from their blighted version of Utopia.
Don't just own a gun. Know how to make one and ammunition too.
Train up.
In 'american' societies, the 'american' middle class is the King class and the political rulers who are servant to the 'american' middle class govern with the consent of the governed.
The 'american' middle class want foreign kids to be killed? Obama does that.
Some 'american' middle class kids got killed and the 'american' middle class wants their president to shed tears? Obama does that.
This is how you get elected and re elected in an 'american' nation. By doing the biddings of the 'american' middle class and pleasing them.
AnAnonymous said:
More Chinese citizenism pony one-trickery.
Ah, ah, negrected to mention farming the weak and extorting the poor .... must be Chinese citizenism raziness.
Let's just peel away the entire taxpayer security expenses our US politician's waste week after week. Every time they can walk around safely without the need for a gun carrying security entourage, the hands of time sets out to tick; safety or greater fear mongering?
From the moment our elected civil servants can walk around with no need to have gun slinging security, is definitely the day we are able to focus on why they would like to fuck over the second amendment.
Always lead by example, not by utopian theory
This the Nth time that I've read about a US mass killer suffering from Asperger Syndrome, although it usually isn't this soon after the event. Do a little digging and you'll find that is it prevalent as far back as the OKC bombers, which is as far back as I've researched.
Are you sure that wasn't ADHD?
"LACK OF EMPATHY"....one of the hallmark traits of ASD....
Lack of non-verbal skills is also common....ASD is part of autism spectrum but not as severe im reading...
A perfect poker player and criminal who shows no emotion.....
Sad shit as I have a 5 and 8 year old....
>"LACK OF EMPATHY"....one of the hallmark traits of ASD....
Wow! Guess you never heard of Temple Grandin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Grandin
FYI, LACK OF BRAINS is one of the hallmark traits of being a moron.
Please explain where she demonstrates empathy.
Note: having an affinity for animals is not the same as having empathy towards other human beings.
I recommend "The curious incident of the dog in the night-time" as an interesting story to get perspective on autism; written by a teacher of autistic children, not by an autistic person directly.
We are a free,democratic, civil society. Freedom allows us to own fire arms and what good is that freedom if it can not be practiced. Adam Lanza practiced his free rights but the school kids were denied their's. May be we can now have taxpayer funded gun class "for defense" as part of academics in elemantery schools. Heck if my 8 year old can have Taikondo after school why can't she have a assault weapon class? Blame the regulation that prevents school kids from owning guns. As a capatalist society worshiping capital, let the free market decide if kindergartners should be allowed to own guns to defend themselves. I say purchasing a gun should be tax deductible as it is my constitutional right to own and gun companies to sell them. Statistics show that not many children have died from gun violence and to the relief of those who love freedom and our constitution, never will, atleast on relative basis.
but the school kids were denied their's. _________________________
That is what I just wrote last time.
Problem is not guns, problem is that kids'inalienable human rights were denied by the Kenyan and his commy pals.
Additionally, just think of the new market for growth it would be. Instead of having soccer moms who warm the credit card to please their kids and buy a footie, you've got a whole new market of easily convinced buyers.
Would be wonderful.
Trouble is the Kenyan born keeps suppressing our rights of us, Americans.
Signed: an American
This senseless violence is such an inducement to excitement for a Chinese citizenism propagandist like me. Even though I've been stroking it nonstop for 24 hours, my tiny little pee-pee is still raging hard - both inches!
Signed: AnAnonymous
Let´s give all 8 year olds assault rifles, and see what will happen next.
If as you say you have a 5 and 8 year old, you should know they are just kids, unable to judge the consequences of their actions.
These kids know what they're doing.
Field stripping AR-15 58 seconds 9 years old - YouTube
9 year old Lauren shooting an AR-15 - YouTube
vjmali
What a moronic response.
Look at the states were CCP permits are issued, and the rate of crime/homicide,compared to the areas with the toughest gun control laws.(NYC,Chicago, Wash D.C.)
Colorado is a shall issue state, but, and a HUGE but, DO NOT allow CCP holders to carry in public places like schools, and theaters.
WHY NOT?
If they have been background checked, printed by the FBI, and trained, good LORD people, why are they not allowed to carry anywhere they wish.
Knock on wood, as a Texan, we are a shall issue state, and we can carry almost anywhere,EXCEPT just like Colorado,and Connecticut, the places MOST likely to be targeted by the insane, and evil perps.
THIS MAKES ZERO SENSE to me.I can luckily carry into my church, and movie theaters, BUT NOT schools or hospitals or places that HAVE been the main targets.(which is assinine!!!)
Colorado,and other shall issue states DO not allow CCP holders access to theaters,or scools WHY?.
IF you pass an FBI background check,are proficient and trained, hell let people defend themselves, and OTHERS,LE cannot be there, and they are reactive.
The sight of an AFTER the massacre fact, of seeing a platoon of SWAT, makes me ILL.
They are useless in cases like these.
Too bad our state legislatures do not have the COMMON sense to allow the WOULD BE assasins, to have to be concerned whether they will ever make it to their intended goals, because they got one in the head before the MAJORITY or any murders of innocents can take place.
This is so simple it boggles my mind, it keeps happening where there is NO PROTECTION.
And it will NOT STOP happening until armed citizens lawfully carrying, are allowed to carry in 95% of all public forums.CCP holders are not doing the murdering...........
WE are CONTINUING giving Carte Blanche GO signals to these mental cases, and outright evil murdering bastards.
The drugging of our children and Adam Lanza
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/15/1170258/--He-was-on-medication#
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If you are interested in more information about the potential links between violent
behavior, reality detachment and psychotropics watch the documentary "The Drugging
of Our Children". watch at above link.
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, co-chairman of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a group that promotes tougher federal, state and local gun regulation, said Mr. Obama needed to do more than send condolences. "Calling for 'meaningful action' is not enough," he said in a statement. "We need immediate action. We have heard all the rhetoric before."
Action, like REVOKING THE SECOND AMENDEMENT ?
Mike Bloomberg takes the subway to work because he is a billionaire of the people.
His escort includes two huge bodyguards in poorly fitting dark suits which show the outlines of vests. It includes a plain clothes officer in a tweed jacket, with earpiece and a heavy gym bag, which probably contains an SBR. There is also always at least one uniformed cop, with earpiece, who wears his hat.
That's to walk about 50 yards from the subway to City Hall.
Mayor Bloomberg certainly does not need a gun for defense. He has professional mercenaries.
Ah, but it's different for the truly Rich, isn't it Mr. Mayor.
the crux of liberalisn - it is for thee, not for me! I mean for Christs sake, the legislators are exempt from the damn laws they pass in this country and nobody seems to care, least of all the 'media'. They are exempt from Obamacare for example - they have their own cadillac plan at our expense. So why do they give a shit if it's any good or not.
Who was a anatomical by product associated with a Denver shooting concerning the LIBOR case?
CDC alerts
Weird coincidence: The book 'The Hunger Games' has the ritual killing of 23 children. The author of the Hunger Games, Suzanne Collins, lives in Sandy Hook, CT.
Twilight Zone opening
More than coincidence.
TPTB seem to be following a badly written script here,or they are laughing at the
sheeples stupidity.Hope its the former,fear its the latter.
Nah.
'Americans' are addicted to their fantasy.
Would not be surprising.
AnAnonymous said:
And in a fantasy, chronology does not have to exist.
But hey, your fantasy, your call.
For AnAnonymous, time runs in circles like tiger chasing own tail. Is better way for his fantasy to thrive.
*** SPOILER ALERT *** 22 children.
School shooting- Comprehensive list of videos contradicting official story
http://investmentwatchblog.com/school-shooting-comprehensive-list-of-videos-contradicting-official-story/
the gun being taken out of the trunk looked like a traditional long rifle, not a bushmaster, although bushmaster makes many, many replica weapons.
bushmaster, same as the dc sniper
There fixed it.
Codex Alimentarius
http://www.who.int/foodsafety/publications/fs_management/guidelines_foodcontrol/en/
Whenever I grow my personal tomatoes, no problems. Each time I eat acidic grocery [normal or organic] tomatoes, I have to pop a TUMS or Prilosec pill. Those learnt acidic products are no longer purchased, new labeling bullshit is merely another fraud. The necessity to buy TUMS or Prilosec pills signifies that I do not need to purchase drugs to overcome the root cause.
"Each time I eat acidic grocery [normal or organic] tomatoes, I have to pop a TUMS or Prilosec pill."
Really? I don't.
I've never had this problem.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html
89% increase in UK Gun crimes since virtual complete gun ban. More laws that will solve nothing.. The people pushing the gun bans are supposedly the smart ones..
That is absolutely that.
'Americans' like to hide behind the rule of law.
And will not shy away from telling that a gun saturated society is a gun free society because they voted a law calling for the ban of guns.
The US is past the point 'americans' could move toward a gun free society.
And as 'americanism' is spreading around the world, guns are going to be poured into every society where there is room to accomodate guns.
And that is a lot of them.
Wait for more consequences of 'americanism' around the world.
Hey, Chicom! Sounds like you want Americans disarmed. The Japanese wished the same when World War II started. RED DAWN was supposed to have Chicoms as the enemy until your government twisted Hollywood into submission.
Remember it takes a good gun to get a bigger gun. Semi-auto firearms are not obsolete even in the world of drones and jet planes, not with many ex-military still around who know how to operate the high-tech weaponry.
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Somehow that is very something.
Chinese citizenism citizens like to hide behind their mastodonic size roadside dung heaps.
Well, well, well, Saxton and the Countess.
My, my, my...
Jumping from the cooking marmit into the Chinese citizenism rice straw fire. Inability from self indiction in the truest form of self justificationness. Most fruitful gift he is to himselfs and his strawsmen bestowing.
Some might call that linguistic blobbing-up. Others might call it psychosis.
how can someone vote fact down? therein lies the problem
http://cegant.com/commentary/school-shootings-and-psychiatric-drugs
School Shootings and Psychiatric Drugs
by CEGant on March 2, 2012
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.."We only need to ask one simple question to determine “what could have set the teenage gunman off.” That question is: What psychiatric drug was he taking or withdrawing from? Sometimes simple questions are the hardest to ask. That question would be hard for the media to ask, because after reporting the event, taking station breaks for advertisements for antidepressants and sedatives might give big media editors and producers indigestion, since their very existence depends on Big Pharma sponsorship. That question would be hard for some politicians to ask because it might jeopardize Big Pharma campaign contributions (footnote 2). And that question might be hard for many Americans to ask because they are consuming psychiatric medications like candy."
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comment: to arrive at an acceptable answer you must
ask the right question. the media has mastered the art
of popular mind control by invariably asking the
wrong questions. who would know?
True.
your tentative analysis through out
this thread appears to be correct.
the money part of the story is being down
played in the media, the father is nearly
ignored. ge finance, northeastern in boston,
ernst and young ....
mom at morgan stanley. very connected to the
big money scene. the word neglect comes to mind
for the sons.
easy access to abundant deadly resources and an unhealthy dose of neglect, medication and social
alienation; brewing in a virtually weaponized mind
raised by financial vultures in the most bucolic of
settings. surreal on top of surreal mountain in 2012.
of course this is all speculation about a fictitious
family, fictitious financial companies and any resemblance to any one person or party is purely coincidental and mistakenly accidental.
* the word neglect is used to indicate that something
essential was neglected in the "shooter", if he was
the shooter. not that outwardly one could observe
blatant isolation or disdain, but something that needed
to be flourishing or at least alive at that stage
for that man was already dead. someone or something
killed it, maybe the deprivation of the "good" life
in america under the new world order? maybe generations
alternately internalise and externalise, manifest the
essence of their principles, or the driving principles
once adopted are expressed by the generations in the
crudest to the most refined manner and in both directions?
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Welcome to Dumbfuckingstan
Posted on December 15, 2012 by maxkeiser
http://maxkeiser.com/2012/12/15/welcome-to-dumbfuckingstan/
http://www.ssristories.com/index.php
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School Shooting Prozac WITHDRAWAL 2008-02-15 Illinois
....etc.
Readers need to send the ssristories.com link to every one of their gun control supporting friends.
While many cynical opportunitists will use this tragedy to advocate for more gun control, the real issue is mental illness and the plague of irrationality that is sweeping our country and the globe.
If most people had not completely lost the ability to think rationally, they would be focused on death by government, DEMOCIDE, which has resulted in hundreds of millions of dead people including many small children. Instead they advocate for bigger government and more concentration of weapons in the hands of govenment. History is clear that this is a big mistake unless you want to kill millions of people.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MURDER.HTM
The cynical opportunists *here* prefer to jabber about false-flags and psychotropic drugs.
So take the "cynical opportunists *here*" and coach them up on democide, dog. You've got the talking stick right now.
Diminishing the power and influence of government is the easiest thing in the world if you just act LOCALLY. Start by diminishing its importance within your own mind.
That's why the revolution won't be televised. We haven't figured out how to aim cameras at the way people THINK.
http://www.infowars.com/newtown-school-shooting-story-already-being-chan...
Actually....they still haven't found John Doe 2 from the OKC bombing..........
Lest anyone think that all people who are in the camp of having Asperger's Syndrome are evil I think they should look at Michael Burry.
Michael Burry spent millions of his own money fighting the United States Government forces of evil.
http://www.scioncapital.com/
"We're going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics."
Mr. President, just what on earth does that mean?
Talk about a lawyer running the show.......ugh..........
WWBHOD?
Obama would simply classify all mental illness as a "reasonable" way to ban guns from individuals just to get something passed.
But then he would go Soviet and immediately declare all of the following mental illnesses: belief in Constitution, belief in God, AGW skepticism, belief in free markets, all Veterans, belief in 2nd Amendment, lack of Facebook page, anti-abortion views, people who believe the Fed is a private corporation, homeschoolers, gold advocates, preppers, and Ron Paul supporters.
DHS is already looking at these profiles. A radio DJ (a veteran) was 'swatted', guns taken away, locked up, and the local cop shop declared him 'psychotic' because... he was a Christian. He sued and he's winning.
That's how they roll....
Oh, please...I GUARANTEE you that five years from now, Barack Obama will be out of office, guns will still be legal, and we will still be having these massacres. Who will you blame then?
gwar5's not one of the sharpest tools in the shed. He'll still be blaming liberals.
Who will we blame: The next Boogieman.
Oh, please...I GUARANTEE you that five years from now, Barack Obama will be out of office, guns will still be legal, and we will still be having these massacres. Who will you blame then?
The same one's at fault now, the legistatures that BAN weapons to CCP carriers in these institutions.
The NRA of course,
TYLER
This is the best information piece you have presented to us. Very well done. This will probably be one of the few media bits that will attempt to step back and view the fire arms ownership issues with information and dispassion.
In that most of the gun ownership arguments for possession were missing in this horrific end of the world for 20 plus people, mostly babies, the only missing deterrent was a killer crazy white, male, 20 year old who may have been more of a child than a man in mental maturity and competence.
The only way for any sort of answer that would bring a reason for these killings is the kid was crazy. I am not sure that is proven. He is stated as being different and odd, but people are that way. Mental capacity may be an issue but a “normal” kid in his role is not out of the realm of likelihood or probability. Brainsters now say that humans do not fully develop the brain until the early 20s. Some may be slower than others.
The saying that kids, dogs, and horses are not to be trusted has merit. Also, a gun is always dangerous.
So that I do not have comments from some fellow ZH fans , I always have a rifle with me at the ranch and sometimes lawfully carry in the truck.
That being said now is the time for the professionals in security to start the process of keeping the kids safe. It is obvious the system in that school did not work. It is obvious that killer kid who should have not had access to the guns he used, was smart enough to get through the system. This is not to say that the children of Chicago are not equally as bright and skilled at avoidance of barriers. Or, the drug runners/killers of our Southern borders are not also smart.
Auto deaths are still a number 1. killer, but air bags, drunk driving enforcement and other thinking solutions seem to be working. People still get killed, but things improve. I suggest that the”ban all guns” advocates and “not gonna happen” advocates need to step WAY back and attempt to arrive at broad encompassing ways to avoid the next large killing. A full on frontal charge with spin, mis-truths and lies is not the solution this time. It will only divide this Nation more than it is already divided. Killing of our kids goes beyond the schools and we need solution, not wars of words which inflame smoldering animosity.
Bottom line. Where did the shooter get the guns? He was 20 years old and could neither legally purchase or carry any of the weapons he had in his possession. Who owns the guns?
DUI laws don't prevent DUI related deaths and injuries. The basis for laws of prohibition is to cure some social ill that seemingly on the government can provide with regulation. It is a progressive fanstasy designed to lure the miseducated into assigning their civil liberties in exchange for security & safety.
Professionals in security are called tyrants. Rome had them. Germany had them. We have them too. Just ask the Japanese-Americans how many ex-J-American lives were saved when the government put them in capitivity..for safety's sake.
Even on ZH, I feel the need to defend against the failed progressive arguments.
I always wondered how seemingly decent people could have been drawn into the horrors of Nazi Germany. Never in a million years would I see the example in my own lifetime, in my own community.
I'll pass comment on the Asperger's angle for the moment (please note: statistically, the mentally ill suffer more crime than they ever inflict, and in a comparison with "normative" minds, they produce less crime, especially violent crime, than average).
Guns. Guns. Guns.
Look. Guns are exactly the same as physically controlled currency (e.g. Your Greenbacks). It'll help you all to think of them in the same way.
The Government regulates the laws for using them, it regulates the supply in a society and it manufactures them (albeitly, through MIC private capital deals in some countries, but always under license).
Now, most of those physical greenbacks are used as they're supposed to be; but, of course, some of those greenbacks are going to be used for naughty things (from paying for things off-the-book, to rolling up for snorting things up your nose to bank-rolling dubious CIA activities in Central and South America). They have a life span, and the Government will sometimes demand call-backs of the physical product, but it will always replace the supply with shiny new ones. And yes, the criminals, the psychotics and the fearful will grab onto these tokens as readily as they grab onto greenbacks and will use both for their ends. Both are means to an end, but carry a taint within their core - their teleology isn't neutral, anyone suggesting this is a naive fool (hint: both already implicitly assume and project that which makes them).
And, like Greenbacks in the wild, most of them that are produced in the USA are in circulation outside of America, around the globe.
Weapons and Greenbacks are the same thing; if you have a local hot-spot where there's a lot of Greenbacks to be made, you can bet that arms are being used to either enforce that status quo, or used to take it off those with Greenbacks. And, of course, where there's the largest concentration of Greenbacks (let's say, oh, I don't know, how's about $8 billion in fresh $100 bills disappearing in Iraq, or $50 odd million in President Karzi's brother's bag at an airport, or 8 tonnes of cocaine crashing into a mountain listed under a CIA front company) then there's the largest concentration of weapons. Not that the School of the Americas trained the Zetas or anything. *Ahem*.
And, as a cherry on the top, let's not forget the odd $trillion spent on war in the middle east, and stablising the petro-dollar. That takes a whole lot lotta guns. As I've said before: it's all energy; Greenbacks or weapons are merely the physical manifestation of energy directed towards violence and control. Guns do kill people; Greenbacks do kill people; but they're merely the expression of an ideological system.
Once you can sort that out in your head, other things become clearer. Lord of War wasn't a fantasy.
If it keeps on rainin', levee's goin' to break.
Flashback ten years from the original
Or do you want this quasi-music childish rebellion?
Or a more mature revolt against it?
They chained the sinner to a rock, remember?
<<I know the deal offered; why should I trust you?, given your record of eating us. This one has teeth and will not submit to that fate; far better to self-destruct than be eaten for ignoble purpose>>
Choir of Angels - a placeholder, the update from the BBC is grace in your ears.
Oh, and... another flashback.
And to cast this with a 9 (with research to your mythos):
<<Dual Casted>>1980's [counter-ZH-White Power version] // 1960's [ex-hippy boomer version]
What do you really want from me? My entire line of "the mutants will wipe you out" isn't a prophecy: it's an ultimatum. So, you want us to ascend over a land burnt and scoured of life? And you really want us to do this?
"The overman...Who has organized the chaos of his passions, given style to his character, and become creative. Aware of life's terrors, he affirms life without resentment."
This is not a pretty path; it may be the only way to save the species, but that is not my choice. "Free Will" is apparently fashionable; although, subject to change.
Oh fuck it: here's the 10, in tribute of your cheesy and meaningless Hollywood.
Well it took me a while but i figured out that Illinois is the only state with an absolute ban on concealed carry.
It doesn't seem to me that Rahm Emanuel's Chicago has any shortage of shovel ready citizens.
Bile, thanks. I was wondering which state that was. Makes you wonder if Chicago would have even more gun violence if they allowed some sort of gun carry..??
Yaaaawn. I guess the people in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan are laughing their heads off over America's outpouring of grief.
I doubt it; this is merely the reverse side of racism - "they're animals, so they'll laugh and revel at our misfortune".
(Cue MSM disapproving anchor-man and stock video of people dancing and burning American flags from about 20 years ago, recycled to fit the current tragedy).
Sloppy thinking, and weak.
What's interesting is everyone seems oblivious that just about every massacre liked this has been perpetrated by individuals who have been prescribed extremely power pyschiatric drugs. Most of which like Prozac or Luvov have as a side effect the elimination of feeling and empathy within the individual thus rendering it very easy for the individual to commit these sorts of acts. There is absolutely nothing wrong with healthy individuals protecting themselves with firearms (be it from people trying to commit a crime or Big Brother).
For those of you who think that the world would be a safer place without people having access to arms, you need to check your facts because that is just flat out wrong!
With or without gun rights, the bottom line is that America is Rome.
Before this Titanic sinks, you bet they are going to ban guns. But it's not going to make a difference, because there's just so much physical availability, guns will be driven underground like drugs.
The mistake that both the liberals and conservatives who rule this Empire make is that they pretend they can exert control. And the more control they attempt to exert, the more things get out of hand.
Isn't it obvious by this point? I don't exactly celebrate, but it's our fate to live during this period, and so therefore we must prepare. And yes, for many people preparing is going to mean acquiring and protecting guns, however you do it.
How many innocent children have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan ? Think about it.
wyoming and montana have the highest gun owernship rates and some of the most liberal gun owernship laws in the country, yet have some of the lowest gun homicide rates, and have had no shooting sprees in the last 30 years....why??
http://usliberals.about.com/od/Election2012Factors/a/Gun-Owners-As-Perce...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/map-gun-laws-2009-2012
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map
Uhh, because when compared to other states, hardly anyone lives there, spread out rural population, homogenous demographics, no decimated urban industrial areas with large poverty stricken desperate populations, the list goes on and on....
Both beautiful places indeed, and I visit Cody, Wyoming frequently, but hardly relevant as an example to the entire rest of the heavily populated and struggling parts of this country.
perhaps there is a lesson to be learned from the premises that:
1) people need their space
2) people need to work hard for their pay / mine for minerals / grow commodities
3) people need "commonness"
and utah has the lowest per capita rate of serious mental disorders. something special is going on here....what can we learn from utah, wyoming, and montana about the way they live their lives in order to assure the safety of children/people in other states? http://www.statemaster.com/graph/hea_res_pop_wit_ser_men_ill_percap-serious-mental-illness-per-capita
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http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/story?id=4403731&page=1#.UM0NM...
http://packham.n4m.org/prozac.htm
this is where .gov is building the new "data storage" facility to monitor all interactions for trrrrrsm. . . and here are the folks that will be scrutinising yer data.
that's an interesting data point. it would be an interesting analysis to do a state-by-state comparison for the psychiatric drugs compliance rates of the clinically diagnosed. maybe Utah does a good job with containing gun homicide rates, because the patients follow religiously their drug regimes. pardon the pun....
Utah has a lot of Mormons. Mormons don't even drink caffiene, due to its mind-altering effects. Maybe not talking any meds or recreational mood altering substances helps reduce mental illness.