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Newtown Shooter Had Asperger Syndrome, And Some US Gun Facts
Update: The focus now shifts to the mother, the first casualty of her son's murderous rampage, who was a "big, big gun fan" as the NYT explains, and who went target shooting with her children, one of whom had Asperger's.
From the NYT:
She was “a big, big gun fan” who went target shooting with her children, according to friends. She enjoyed craft beers, jazz and landscaping. She was generous to strangers, but also high-strung, as if she were holding herself together.
Nancy Lanza was the first victim in a massacre carried out on Friday by her son Adam Lanza, 20, who shot her dead with a gun apparently drawn from her own collection, then drove her car to Sandy Hook Elementary School, where he killed 26 people, 20 of them small children, officials said.
At craft beer tastings on Tuesday evenings, he recalled, she liked to talk about her gun collection.
“She had several different guns,” he said. “I don’t know how many. She would go target shooting with her kids.”
Law enforcement officials said they believed that the guns were acquired lawfully and registered.
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She was “a big, big gun fan,” he added on his Web site.
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As we reported last night, buried inside the NYT biopic of Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was arguably one of the most important missing pieces in the story, at least so far, which could provide clues into partially explaining yesterday's tragic loss of young life, namely that the 20 year old man suffered from Asperger Syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism (two conditions which are being merged in the upcoming update of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-5) manual of mental disorders), which has been traditionally associated with social communication difficulties, including flat affect, and one which in some clinical studies has been shown to have a causal link to violence. In other words, in addition to the surge in the debate over national gun control and access limitations (ignoring that the perpetrator of the biggest school mass murder in US history - the Bath School disaster - used openly purchased dynamite and no guns, also ignoring that in the US there are roughly 300 million firearms), perhaps there should also be a broad discussion as to the risks of social misadoption of children with autism and other social and behavioral disorders.
He was an honors student who lived in a prosperous neighborhood with his mother, a well-liked woman who enjoyed hosting dice games and decorating the house for the holidays.
Now Adam Lanza is suspected of killing his mother and then gunning down more than two dozen people, 20 of them children, at a Connecticut grade school before taking his own life.
The 20-year-old may have suffered from a personality disorder, law enforcement officials said.
The New York Times reported Saturday morning that several people told the newspaper that Lanza had Asperger’s syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism.
The Times reported Lanza did not have a Facebook page and did not pose for a high school yearbook picture.
He was described as socially awkward and was known in high school as “intelligent, but nervous and fidgety, spitting his words out, as if having to speak up were painful.”
Investigators were trying to learn as much as possible about Lanza and questioned his older brother, who is not believed to have any involvement in the rampage.
Lanza killed his mother at their home before driving her car to Sandy Hook Elementary School and — armed with at least two handguns — carried out the massacre, officials said.
A third weapon, a .223-caliber rifle, was found in the car, and more guns were found inside the school.
So far, authorities have not spoken publicly of any possible motive. Witnesses said the shooter didn’t utter a word.
Catherine Urso, who was attending a vigil Friday evening in Newtown, Conn., said her college-age son knew the killer and remembered him for his alternative style.
“He just said he was very thin, very remote and was one of the goths,” she said.
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Adam Lanza’s older brother, 24-year-old Ryan Lanza of Hoboken, N.J., was being questioned, a law enforcement official said. He told authorities that his brother was believed to suffer from a personality disorder, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record about the unfolding investigation.
The official did not elaborate, and it was unclear exactly what type of disorder he might have had.
Ryan Lanza had been extremely cooperative and was not under arrest or in custody, but investigators were still searching his computers and phone records. Ryan Lanza told law enforcement he had not been in touch with his brother since about 2010.
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Adam Lanza attended Newtown High School, and several local news clippings from recent years mention his name among the school’s honor roll students.
And while much needed insight into the shooter's abnormal mental state is critical before passing judgment, the reality is that Lanza - who may well have been mentally disturbed - should certainly not have had access to the arsenal of weapons he ultimately used in perpetrating yesterday's tragedy. The much debated question, of course, that is already emerging is whose responsibility is it to limit such access: that of the individual, that of the closest family members, or that of the state, and if it is the latter, then the question becomes one of practical enforceability in a country where the second amendment is deeply engrained in the popular psychology, and where there are nearly as many guns as people.
Some more facts and figures - without opinions - on US weapons from justfacts.com
Introductory Notes
This research is based upon the most recent available data in 2010. Facts from earlier years are cited based upon availability and relevance, not to slant results by singling out specific years that are different from others. Likewise, data associated with the effects of gun control laws in various geographical areas represent random, demographically diverse places in which such data is available.
Many aspects of the gun control issue are best measured and sometimes can only be measured through surveys,[1] but the accuracy of such surveys depends upon respondents providing truthful answers to questions that are sometimes controversial and potentially incriminating.[2] Thus, Just Facts uses such data critically, citing the best-designed surveys we find, detailing their inner workings in our footnotes, and using the most cautious plausible interpretations of the results.
Particularly, when statistics are involved, the determination of what constitutes a credible fact (and what does not) can contain elements of personal subjectivity. It is our mission to minimize subjective information and to provide highly factual content. Therefore, we are taking the additional step of providing readers with four examples to illustrate the type of material that was excluded because it did not meet Just Facts' Standards of Credibility.
General Facts
Firearms are generally classified into three broad types: (1) handguns, (2) rifles, and (3) shotguns.[3] Rifles and shotguns are both considered "long guns."
A semi-automatic firearm fires one bullet each time the trigger is pulled and automatically loads another bullet for the next pull of the trigger. A fully automatic firearm (sometimes called a "machine gun") fires multiple bullets with the single pull of the trigger.[4]
Ownership
As of 2009, the United States has a population of 307 million people.[5]
Based on production data from firearm manufacturers,[6] there are roughly 300 million firearms owned by civilians in the United States as of 2010. Of these, about 100 million are handguns.[7]
Based upon surveys, the following are estimates of private firearm ownership in the U.S. as of 2010:
| Households With a Gun | Adults Owning a Gun | Adults Owning a Handgun | |
| Percentage | 40-45% | 30-34% | 17-19% |
| Number | 47-53 million | 70-80 million | 40-45 million |
A 2005 nationwide Gallup poll of 1,012 adults found the following levels of firearm ownership:
| Category |
Percentage Owning a Firearm |
| Households | 42% |
| Individuals | 30% |
| Male | 47% |
| Female | 13% |
| White | 33% |
| Nonwhite | 18% |
| Republican | 41% |
| Independent | 27% |
| Democrat | 23% |
In the same poll, gun owners stated they own firearms for the following reasons:
| Protection Against Crime | 67% |
| Target Shooting | 66% |
| Hunting | 41% |
Crime and Self-Defense
Roughly 16,272 murders were committed in the United States during 2008. Of these, about 10,886 or 67% were committed with firearms.[11]
A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 0.5% of households had members who had used a gun for defense during a situation in which they thought someone "almost certainly would have been killed" if they "had not used a gun for protection." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 162,000 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard."[12]
Based on survey data from the U.S. Department of Justice, roughly 5,340,000 violent crimes were committed in the United States during 2008. These include simple/aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders.[13] [14] [15] Of these, about 436,000 or 8% were committed by offenders visibly armed with a gun.[16]
Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18]
A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 3.5% of households had members who had used a gun "for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 1,029,615 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard."[19]
A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year.[20]
A 1982 survey of male felons in 11 state prisons dispersed across the U.S. found:[21]
• 34% had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"
• 40% had decided not to commit a crime because they "knew or believed that the victim was carrying a gun"
• 69% personally knew other criminals who had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"[22]
Click here to see why the following commonly cited statistic does not meet Just Facts' Standards of Credibility: "In homes with guns, the homicide of a household member is almost 3 times more likely to occur than in homes without guns."
Vulnerability to Violent Crime
At the current homicide rate, roughly one in every 240 Americans will be murdered.[23]
A U.S. Justice Department study based on crime data from 1974-1985 found:
• 42% of Americans will be the victim of a completed violent crime (assault, robbery, rape) in the course of their lives
• 83% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime
• 52% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime more than once[24]
A 1997 survey of more than 18,000 prison inmates found that among those serving time for a violent crime, "30% of State offenders and 35% of Federal offenders carried a firearm when committing the crime."[25]
Right-to-Carry Laws
Right-to-carry laws permit individuals who meet certain "minimally restrictive" criteria (such as completion of a background check and gun safety course) to carry concealed firearms in most public places.[95] Concealed carry holders must also meet the minimum federal requirements for gun ownership as detailed above.
Each state has its own laws regarding right-to-carry and generally falls into one of three main categories:
1) "shall-issue" states, where concealed carry permits are issued to all qualified applicants
2) "may-issue" states, where applicants must often present a reason for carrying a firearm to an issuing authority, who then decides based on his or her discretion whether the applicant will receive a permit
3) "no-issue" states, where concealed carry is generally forbidden
As of January 2012:
40 states are shall-issue:
| Alaska | Arizona | Arkansas | Colorado |
| Florida | Georgia | Idaho | Indiana |
| Iowa | Kansas | Kentucky | Louisiana |
| Maine | Michigan | Minnesota | Mississippi |
| Missouri | Montana | Nebraska | Nevada |
| New Hampshire | New Mexico | North Carolina | North Dakota |
| Ohio | Oklahoma | Oregon | Pennsylvania |
| Rhode Island | South Carolina | South Dakota | Tennessee |
| Texas | Utah | Vermont | Virginia |
| Washington | West Virginia | Wisconsin | Wyoming |
9 states are may-issue:
| Alabama | California | Connecticut | Delaware |
| Hawaii | Maryland | Massachusetts | New Jersey |
| New York |
Accidents
In 2007, there were 613 fatal firearm accidents in the United States, constituting 0.5% of 123,706 fatal accidents that year.[120]
Fatal firearm accidents in 2007 by age groups:
| Age Group | Fatal Firearm Accidents | |
| Raw number | Portion of fatal accidents
from all causes |
|
| <1 yrs | 1 | 0.1% |
| 1-4 yrs | 18 | 1.1% |
| 5-9 yrs | 20 | 2.1% |
| 10-14 yrs | 26 | 2.1% |
| 15-24 yrs | 155 | 1.0% |
| 25-34 yrs | 94 | 0.6% |
| 35-44 yrs | 91 | 0.5% |
| 45-54 yrs | 82 | 0.4% |
| 55-64 yrs | 57 | 0.5% |
| 65+ yrs | 69 | 0.2% |
Non-Fatal
In 2007, there were roughly 15,698 emergency room visits for non-fatal firearm accidents,[123] constituting 0.05% of 27.7 million emergency room visits for non-fatal accidents that year.[124]
These emergency room visits for non-fatal firearm accidents resulted in 5,045 hospitalizations,[125] constituting 0.4% of 1.4 million non-fatal accident hospitalizations that year.[126]
Criminal Justice System
Nationwide in 2008, law enforcement agencies reported that 55% of aggravated assaults, 27% of robberies, 40% of rapes, and 64% of murders that were reported to police resulted in an alleged offender being arrested and turned over for prosecution.[26] [27]
Currently, for every 12 aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders committed in the United States, approximately one person is sentenced to prison for committing such a crime.[28] [29] [30]
A 2002 U.S. Justice Department study of 272,111 felons released from state prisons in 1994 found that within three years of their release:
• at least 67.5% had been arrested for committing a new offense
• at least 21.6% had been arrested for committing a new violent offense
• these former inmates had been charged with committing at least 2,871 new homicides, 2,444 new rapes, 3,151 other new sexual assaults, 2,362 new kidnappings, 21,245 new robberies, 54,604 new assaults, and 13,854 other new violent crimes[31]
Of 1,662 murders committed in New York City during 2003-2005, more than 90% were committed by people with criminal records.[32]
Washington, DC
In 1976, the Washington, D.C. City Council passed a law generally prohibiting residents from possessing handguns and requiring that all firearms in private homes be (1) kept unloaded and (2) rendered temporally inoperable via disassembly or installation of a trigger lock. The law became operative on Sept. 24, 1976.[33] [34]
On June 26, 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court, in a 5-4 ruling, struck down this law as unconstitutional.[35]
During the years in which the D.C. handgun ban and trigger lock law was in effect, the Washington, D.C. murder rate averaged 73% higher than it was at the outset of the law, while the U.S. murder rate averaged 11% lower.[37]
Britain
In 1920, Britain passed a law requiring civilians to obtain a certificate from their district police chief in order to purchase or possess any firearm except a shotgun. To obtain this certificate, the applicant had to pay a fee, and the chief of police had to be "satisfied" that the applicant had "good reason for requiring such a certificate" and did not pose a "danger to the public safety or to the peace." The certificate had to specify the types and quantities of firearms and ammunition that the applicant could purchase and keep.[38]
In 1968, Britain made the 1920 law stricter by requiring civilians to obtain a certificate from their district police chief in order to purchase or possess a shotgun. This law also required that firearm certificates specify the identification numbers ("if known") of all firearms and shotguns owned by the applicant.[39]
In 1997, Britain passed a law requiring civilians to surrender almost all privately owned handguns to the police. More than 162,000 handguns and 1.5 million pounds of ammunition were "compulsorily surrendered" by February 1998. Using "records of firearms held on firearms certificates," police accounted for all but fewer than eight of all legally owned handguns in England, Scotland, and Wales.[40]
† Homicide data is published according to the years in which the police initially reported the offenses as homicides, which are not always the same years in which the incidents took place.
‡ Large anomalies unrelated to guns:
2000: 58 Chinese people suffocated to death in a shipping container en route to the UK
2002: 172 homicides reported when Dr. Harold Shipman was exposed for killing his patients
2003: 20 cockle pickers drowned resulting in manslaughter charges
2005: 52 people were killed in the July 7th London subway/bus bombings
Not counting the above-listed anomalies, the homicide rate in England and Wales has averaged 52% higher since the outset of the 1968 gun control law and 15% higher since the outset of the 1997 handgun ban.[42]
Chicago
In 1982, the city of Chicago instituted a ban on handguns. This ban barred civilians from possessing handguns except for those registered with the city government prior to enactment of the law. The law also specified that such handguns had to be re-registered every two years or owners would forfeit their right to possess them. In 1994, the law was amended to require annual re-registration.[43] [44] [45]
In the wake of Chicago's handgun ban, at least five suburbs surrounding Chicago instituted similar handgun bans. When the Supreme Court overturned the District of Columbia's handgun ban in June 2008, at least four of these suburbs repealed their bans.[46] [47] [48] [49] [50]
In June 2010, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (5-4) that Chicago's ban is unconstitutional.[51]
Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the Chicago murder rate has averaged 17% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 25% lower.[53]
Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect.[55]
In 2005, 96% of the firearm murder victims in Chicago were killed with handguns.[56]
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um, hello??
Maybe Prozac, when given to adults, has less severe side effects than other drugs. Since they stopped giving Prozac to children, and many of the mass shootings have been by high school and college age students, it may be the replacement antidepressants are actually worse.
Also, note that all the mass shootings are by men, while the report is mainly about women on anti-depressants. Maybe men react differently to certain drugs than women.
Quite surprising that Prozac would be common among LDS.
since you're not going to have a look at the link I provided, I'll leave you to your conjecures.
and maybe the culture "men" and "women" exist within is different for each.
from the link I provided, twice, above. . .
I read the link, thanks.
It does certainly cover LDS, which as I mentioned those figures surprised me.
And it did cover in great deal why LDS women are on of the largest groups of people on antidepressants in America. Which was surprising, but the proposed explanations made sense.
It did not in any way discuss the difference between Prozac and other modern antidepressants, or antidepressants for children. Prozac was found to cause suicidal tendencies in children, which is why they stopped using it, and now use different drugs for children. Different drugs goes a long ways towards explaining different side effects.
Notice the mother was on Valium, while all the rest of the women (299 of them or so) are on Prozac, and that some of her symptoms were quite different.
EDIT: Bizarre that they do not consider chronic depression to be a serious illness.
the pattern noted in the link was "women" feeling extreme dis-satisfaction with the roles they were required to "play" in the culture they found themselves "trapped" in - which, in this case, was Mormon.
I guess my point is that people, men and women, are being medicated to maintain the cultural identity assigned - and that this identity doesn't seem to be help-full for many.
more "women" take anti-depressants than "men" - this seems to be an interesting thing to ponder. . . and the men that act out often do with guns, and of late, some of those targeted are women & children (school incidents), which are traditionally more "revered" in cultures.
I'm also open to the conspiracy side of this - but even if, then it would be an intentional working of a story already evident in culture (protect the children! take away the guns!). . .
the cultural story of amrka is rapidly breaking down, that's a truth.
Certainly, it does seem the "solution" is to give people pills to "help" them conform.
Any idea how postpartem depression works? As far as, is it more likely to happen if you have 8 children compared to 2? And what happens if you have it, and then get pregnant and have another child?
It seems to me the much higher fertility rate could be a major reason LDS women are depressed at a higher rate than the general female population. And childbirth alone could account for the higher prevalence of depression among women compared to men.
I don't have any experience of "post postpartum depression" so I'll pass on giving an opinion.
I will note that a large percentage of "anti-depressant" usage begins during the teenage years, for both male/female prescriptions, at a time when the hormones are in high gear, so there may be some correlation there too.
but in general, and from listening to people's own stories over the years, there is a "rebellion" in minds of some people against the roles they're expected to play - particularly when the individual can see that the roles are harmful to adults around them - and being medicated into compliance doesn't work for everyone. . .
appreciate the "conversation" here - take care.
It seems that the mass shooters in the recent past (10 years?) are a subset of the population -- mid to late teens and 20s and male. It seems to me (and I could be wrong) that the most frequently medicated kids when it comes to ADD, Depression and other physilogical challenges primarily appear to be male.
I wonder if there is a correlation between medicated youth and the increase of these tragic events -- Lord only knows what long-term effects these medications have on the developing brain. Remember all those poor kids who received Prozac - only to find out later that Prozac impacts kids differently than adults (suicidal tendencies, etc.).
It's just a thought - it just seems that there could be a connection. I'm not a doctor and I'm not a shrink - I don't even play one on TV. But, as a parent and former school trustee -- I have often wondered...I've seen some pretty nutty children who, in my humble opinion, were perhaps medicated when they should not have been. There are just far too many prescriptions in some of these kids' histories.
experi-mental pharma is also used on a similar age demographic in the military, with notable increase in suicide rates lately.
though there are now young women in uni-form, so this will need to be taken into consideration overall.
still, one in ten amrkns aged 12 and over takes antidepressant meds and,
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db76.htm
the CDC study was done in 2005-2008, and no doubt the stats will be even higher now.
They are medicated all right.
Mass shootings appear to be one of the only false flags that TPTB are able to pull off these days. Using heavily documented mind control methods as spelled out in the CIA’s Project MKUltra, these Manchurian candidates are brainwashed, drugged, tortured and trained in as little as 4 months.
The Hegelian Dialect is used to usher in gun control. Hasn’t been working too well so they are stepping it up.
Start noticing that these killers are always associated with some government agency, university or have parents that are associated with some psych department, university or agency as well.
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/coloradouniversitydrill23jul12.shtml
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/14/who-really-killed-the-connecticu...
http://globalrumblings.blogspot.com/2012/07/colorado-gunman-possible-mk-...
Sorry Tyler, but by writing that the shooter had "Asberger Syndrome" you make exactly the same mistake as the ones claiming that "owners of guns" are responsable for killings. You see Asberger Syndrome does not make anyone a killer. You should rethink your way of writing headlines.
"...perhaps there should also be a broad discussion as to the risks of social misadoption of children with autism and other social and behavioral disorders."
Tyler mucked up "behavioural", but then again, he's American. Apart from that, seems to have covered your complaint; risk management is, of course, at the heart of financial dealings.
Beats blaming the Barbarian Hordes, anyhow.
Better not to assume all the Tylers are 'Merkin.
Of course; we all know the east-central European identity of one of them. It was a play on spelling without being aggressive; again, now we have the ignorant hordes around, I suppose we should be as clear as Fox News all the time.
[[I'd have put it in his language, but ZH cannot process cyrillic]]
At the moment, I view junks as merely how many Palin voters are reading, and how they mark their territory of mis-understanding. The ones who have a point usually leave a message.
You're adapting well. Stick around.
Asperger, you Ass Burger!
The mind altering chemicals that are fed to these people who are diagnosed with a "mental illness" might me another story however.
In Guns we trust...
It would be nice to have the score on this thread >100000 posts : reactionary knee jerk vs true sorrow for unimaginable tragedy.
Autism and mom's guns ...freudian conundrum and fast action resolve.
Sorry falak, but America really isn't mature enough for the entire "fucked her mom, killed her father and then conquered the know world" meme. We'd have to go back at least 3,000 years for that kind of maturity.
It's a teenage society, with lots of pimples, and tiresomely adolescent at the moment, wrestling with sexuality, God, death, nihilism and so on. All with this special little chip on the shoulder that claims:
"NO-ONE UNDERSTANDS AND NO-ONE HAS GONE THROUGH THIS BEFORE!!11!!1!1!"
With nukes, which makes it irksome, and dangerous; we humour the little bitch, hoping she'll mature into something better. Otherwise; well, such adolescent minds often break, and kill themselves while writing tragio-comic bad poetry and quoting Sylvia Plath.
I shall never get you put together entirely,
Pieced, glued, and properly jointed.
Mule-bray, pig-grunt and bawdy cackles
Proceed from your great lips.
It's worse than a barnyard.
Perhaps you consider yourself an oracle,
Mouthpiece of the dead, or of some god or other.
Thirty years now I have labored
To dredge the silt from your throat.
I am none the wiser.
Scaling little ladders with glue pots and pails of Lysol
I crawl like an ant in mourning
Over the weedy acres of your brow
To mend the immense skull-plates and clear
The bald, white tumuli of your eyes.
A blue sky out of the Oresteia
Arches above us. O father, all by yourself
You are pithy and historical as the Roman Forum.
I open my lunch on a hill of black cypress.
Your fluted bones and acanthine hair are littered
In their old anarchy to the horizon-line.
It would take more than a lightning-stroke
To create such a ruin.
Nights, I squat in the cornucopia
Of your left ear, out of the wind,
Counting the red stars and those of plum-color.
The sun rises under the pillar of your tongue.
My hours are married to shadow.
No longer do I listen for the scrape of a keel
On the blank stones of the landing.
the sad part of it is that the general public caught up in the guns fascination, glorifies violence; we are in renaissance times in US, literally.
Then it was normal in Europe for individuals to settle differences with a sword. That seems to go today in USa; with nearly 100 violent deaths per day country wide.
You know, I am really getting tired of this tune you are singing. If it were not for we bloodthirsty, aggressive Americans the Russians and the ChiComs would have owned your ass and hung it out to dry decades ago.
We ain't perfect, far from it. And we are getting less perfect. But this is an IMPERFECT world.
really? So your heroes took over from then since Vietnam, right?
What history books do you read? The Chinese haven't invaded anybody in a serious way, the Russians reacted to invasion by Hitler. Have you lived at all?
How many countries have the Russians and Chinese invaded, how many people have they killed, outside their own borders?
Not sayin I like their brand of home made, home dispensed fascism; far from it.
Compare that with USA Admin since 1964...You have to learn to count and to understand right from wrong; the US has not been defending freedom in the world since that day, on the contrary. And its killed over a million in IRak for nothing and it continues.
So getting tired is a sick joke; and if its a LESS perfect world these days guess who is NO 1 contributor to world mayhem?
Not that THAT Admin mayhem has anything to do with the people's gun meme at home in USA.. unless you believe what you sow abroad you reap at home; which may be true.
Now be sick all you want. On the issue of private violence and private prison population the US is in a class of its own; if I were american I would find THAT sickening; not the words that ruffle your fine feathers.
Facts and delusion. CHoose.
I seem to remember Korea for the Chinese and the Iron Curtain incursions for the Russians, and then all of the subsequent proxy wars including Viet Nam and some in our own hemisphere. And I remember an incursion by the Chinese in 1962 upon India's territory. The rest of your arguments I will pass on. Just suffice to say, that if The United States was not in existence, East Asia and maybe even South Asia would now be China's commodity colonies absent large segments of their populations.
I seem to remember that the Mongol continental power disappeared in a span of two centuries, and that communism killed itself in the space of one century and, whatever the local ups and downs of the world, I don't buy the meme that Charles Vth conquistadors or Caesar's legions or AMerica's universal empire were BORN, BRED and NURTURED to impose the will of western civilization on the world. This is an assumption I don'y buy, and neither does history.
We know how Caesar/Napoleon/Charles ended.
WE are seeing AMerica's universal empire now unwind in front of our eyes.
As for China's preeminent role today, its thanks to PAx Americana off-shoring it has become so commodity hungry.
Under Communim and MAo it was an agrarian village of 1 billion people!
Its Clinton and Bush who gave the keys of the world factory to China as part of NWO's surrogate labour factory.
It's blowing up in USA's face today.
What EMpires sow they then reap.
He had an overbite too, but I don't think it made him kill anyone.
Reading this thread, it seems the meme du jour is psychotropic drugs. Look back, it's always something. Video games was popular for awhile. That's where I'd put my money. Yeah, that's the ticket! What it is, is the modern world colliding with the past, a collision of forces which Madison, Franklin, Jefferson and all those other dead white guys would be scratching their heads over. Gee, we never thought of that... Duh!
Our society is running headlong into a set of impossible dilemmas. It's the system itself which those dead white guys set up which is in crisis.
Don't kid yourself, the gunman had assburgers syndrome.
You force anybody to eat 1 assburger a day, and eventually they can't take it anymore.
The nastyness of ass, and the monotony of burger.
I also wonder if he is the offspring of "fertility" drugs. It is amazing to me that I've known at least ten couples over the past 20 years that were able to receive their "gift" through these programs. In all but one instance, the results have been a combination of multiple premature births/major heart-lung issues/mental retardation, and in the best cases, miscarriage. To the last one, these couples have exhibited what can only be described as an entitlement mindset - they deserve to procreate. I think nature probably disagrees and we get to live with the result.
Thoughts are welcome.
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sometimes there's a reason for a pregnancy to spontaneously abort.
and guns don't kill people, retards do.
[insert some bullshit about killing babies here]
I am scared shitless, i have to confess. I have read the whole 1st page of posts and i can't believe that no-fucking-body stopped and asked: did this shit really happened. And this coming from people that are questioning the narrative about anything else (economy/finance/history).
I would wager that this shooting never happened as it is just a play, just as Colorado shooting, Guilfords case, Norway shooting etc
This is fake fake fake, mark my words!
Btw, i am high as fuck atm, so please excuse the spelling liberties made...
Nah, you're just random.
edit: I didn't noticed any spelling liberties but there was one double preterite.
Most schools have video cameras rolling...Natural News posed the same questions you did, GW I think noted how the second shooter, the guy in the woods, they guy in the maroon van with blown out windows was all pulled from the news.
It'll be days before the "reporters" (Read: Repeaters) get their shit straight.
I didn't see anything.
NEW SHOOTING
Suspect killed in shooting at St. Vincent's Hospital Birmingham AlabamaIt's not the asperger, since many geniuses had asperger, it is the psychotropic drugs that he probably got. They are known to completely drive people crazy. It is not strange he shot the school psychiatrist who likely prescriped this drugs and his mother.
I would also dare to place a bet that that he was abused as a kid.
From Jim Quinn's fine blog the Burning Platform, are you smarter than a 5th grader? Cartoon test.
http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=45544
"Based on production data from firearm manufacturers,[6] there are roughly 300 million firearms owned by civilians in the United States as of 2010."
So, what about the imports?
what is the DSM diagnosis for a man who wipes a phantom tear for the camera?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnQ0g4BhHss
Reagan wasn't the only actor to ever enter that highest of offices.
There's been those after, and those before. Remember: it's all part of the game, at that level.
"Fanatics are picturesque, mankind would rather see gestures than listen to reasons".
Trojan horse syndrome.
haha...nice one.
Not bad
took Soros 24 hours to officially start the exploitatinon of the deaths of children
good going george
MoveOn.Org Plans Candlelight Vigils In Bay Area Cities To End Gun Violencehttp://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/12/15/organizers-plan-candlelight-...
Autism rates have skyrocketed (Asperger's syndrome is an autism spectrum disorder) in past decades for reasons unknown as of yet. Being someone with Asperger's, I can attest to being socially awkward. That doesn't mean that we are a "risk" and need to be closely monitored - we adapt and learn new strategies to become less socially awkward. The study cited in the article giving a causal "link" between Asperger's and violence studied only three cases where two of those cases were difficult to diagnose!
It is a very dangerous road to start blaming autism as the source of the misbehavior that causes violence. As the definitions of a "disorder" become increasingly broad, we will all soon find ourselves labeled deranged and in need of being locked up and medicated in a psychiatric ward.
socially awkward folks is a label that pretty much covers everyone I care about, and that thread weaves all the way back through my life. . .
socially awkward, particularly in amrka, might be a hard-won label - a more reflective culture might realise that medicating humans into compliant/identikit "normal persons" dis-courages creativity, spontaneous insights, depth of awareness, etc.
this is not to say adaptations can't happen along the way - but certainly it would be preferable to encourage the individual participating in the life decisions, rather than have uni-formity as a goal imposed.
cue obligatory Krishnamurti quote:
Krishnamurti: “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”First of all, the shooting at the school of a horrific, insane, and cowardly act...obviously. The victims and their families are in my prayers...
That said, I want to know is when the same people who want to "ban" (or limit access to) firearms are going to start calling for similar legislation for automobiles - "car control" if you will.
As it stands now, approximately 90 people die here in the U.S. each and every day in automobile related incidents.
Yes, 90...nearly two people in every state (on average)...every day.
...and while some may argue that cars serve a legitimate public service, and are generally safe if used properly, the exact same thing can be said about guns...
Moreover, I would ague that a 4000 pound SUV capable of doing well over 100 mph is significantly more dangerous in the wrong hands/if used for evil purposes than any semi-auto firearm on the planet.
...and that is just one example.
A few gallons of gasoline, available at literally thousands of gas stations across the country, can be a very dangerous thing too.
Hell, the leading cause of death in the U.S. is heart disease - it kills 1642 people each day in the U.S. alone.
Should we ban fast food?
Let's ban doctors, they kill 100K/year by error alone, and some say that is on the low side.
Okay...so license, register and insure all firearms, just like we do for cars. Obviously, you would be for that. Or are you saying that automobiles shouldn't be licensed, registered and insured?
Coincidence the author of The Hunger Games lives there?
There are no coincidences. Serendipity yes but..
The gun control loons are pushing this too far too fast. It's going to blow up in their face.
Father of Alleged Connecticut Shooter is VP of GE Capital: Report
According to ABC and Yahoo news, the alleged shooter at the Sandy Hook Elementary School, Adam Lanza, is the son of Vice President of GE Capital, Peter Lanza. Peter Lanza is also a partner at Ernst & Young, and major accounting firm. The older brother, Ryan Lanza, is also reported to be employed at Ernst & Young.
Another report from Stamford Advocate says Peter Lanza is vice president of taxes for GE Energy Financial Services and also an adjunct professor a Northeastern University in Boston since 1995. The facts have been sketchy and changing from hour to hour.
After 28 years of marriage, Peter and Nancy Lanza divorced. Nancy Lanza was found shot at her home. A source told The Post Ryan has told investigators he last saw Adam in 2010 and that Adam is autistic.
The tragedy is also being politically exploited for tighter gun control. If they ever get guns banned in the U.S., the politically unfavorable will be quickly rounded up and we will get a Soviet style authoritarian system magnified by 100. It is not the guns doing the shooting, but the people. Some of the “leaders” in the U.S. want to get the guns away from the citizens. I don’t know what the answer is to the violence that permeates the United States, but it is likely a symptom of a very sick society. Nobody is shedding tears for the thousands of children who die from U.S. bombs. A nation that exports violence around the planet with an elite core of individuals that profit from it, is destined to be troubled domestically. It’s a karmic certainty.
Obama’s tears
Are Obama’s tears fake like some people are suggesting? Obama has no compunction to order bombings all over the place which regularly kill civilians including children. He also authorizes the killing of Americans, so it’s very hard to believe that his tears are real, although anything is possible in this strange world.
http://www.infowars.com/father-of-alleged-connecticut-shooter-is-vp-of-ge-capital-reports/
Pssst, word on the street is the father is vice president for GE energy financial services and is going to testify in the LIBORgate trail soon.
Sounds like his deep pockets can be responsible for the earning capacity of the victims, when the civil suit happens.
Ace post. Always follow the money. It was easy to use the boy in order to profit the father's employer, and their agenda. It's easy to tip an abandoned boy into doing anything.
Obama and DC had better mind their manners if they come to Newtown, and New England. We are not fools. We are all aware of the sick cynics.
Obama and DC should come to say prayers for the children, and then leave.
Here is a video which will make you think:
Sandy Hook School news coverage compiled.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=j_fI0hm1dqY
These mass murders and other atrocities are the fault of the people of this country. They've allowed Congress and The Fed to create the invisible tax that has destroyed their purchasing power through inflation—causing both parents to have to be away from home working (days, nights and weekends) and unable to wear their hats as parents.
And parents of America allow their children to be "diagnosed" by psychiatrists and psychologists (both false and destructive non-sciences, originally created and funded by government for mind control) and drugged.
And they've allowed Hollywood and the media (TV, movies, video games, magazines and books) to glamourize violence and death, warp reality and cheapen human life. Go to a theatre or video store and look at the movie posters... 8 out of 10 posters display someone holding or shooting a gun. Wonderful. This society is rife with these impressions impacting upon the onetime clean and humane minds of our young.
This is the big omission. Great job parents of America.
You are reaping what you sow.
Two "shooters" reported running in front of school and fleeing in rental vehicles with Jersey plates on EHS recordings.
http://www.chron.com/newtownshooting/item/First-responders-at-Newtown-sh...
! Ford Econoline registered to Courier Car Rental in Wayne, NJ
First off, is this legit, and how would we know that. If it is, then one has to wonder why this is not being pursued by the media?
Kind of like John Doe 2 in the OKC bombing..........................
Amazing. Yet there's not a singlem MSM automaton following up on this. Why? It doesn't make sense. What kind of gun did this guy have? And in how many rooms did this guy get to visit?
In the Netherlands, every mentally or physically disabled person is entitled to one prostitute visit per month paid for by the government. Just to think that a $20 blowjob could have averted this tragedy!
For guys, the worst thing about mental illness is getting NO SEX EVER. Forced abstinence is an eternal living death. Women don't have this problem; plenty of guys will "put their dicks in crazy".
That's a splendid idea. We could even have a telethon for all the goinks who can't get laid.
SUUUUUUUUMMMMMM Where, over the rainbow.... I can't go on...
There is some interesting antetodal evidence that has started to emerge that one of the things that has helped keep levels of violence among males 18-30 at low levels the past decade or so is online porn. Just very hard to get credible data sources let alone get published in academic literature on this topic.
I say we ban "grassy knolls".
The gun control people are all over this tragedy. Blaming a handgun for the unstable, immoral, and evil action of a man is wrong. Losing our second amendment rights will not stop a criminal or a madman. Losing our second amendment rights will make us into a people hopelessly subject to the tyranny of government. The right to keep and bear arms had nothing to do with hunting. The second amendment was about the ability to form a militia if needed. Our forefathers had just succeeded, after all, from the tyranny of a king. The colonial militia was the founding of a free nation. Our forefathers protected that freedom with the right to bear arms because tyranny is never dead. I support the second amendment.
"Evil" is not a quality that inanimate objects can possess.
Spent most of the day at a local gun show and saw no violence. Just some really nice people (and a few interesting ones mixed in I suppose), but very friendly and polite folk. The place was jammed, hard to walk around, but heard more "excuse me's" and "sorry's" than anywhere I can recall. Had interesting talks with fellas about the origins of some of the older military weapons they had, why they were developed, what was unique about them, etc. Can be very educational if you talk with the right guys, they love to share the information they have acquired over the years. Very diverse group of people too, and as I studied the room, these folks struck me more as what's right with America than what's wrong with America. Yet, they are the ones ridiculed and bashed when some deranged fucktard goes crazy though none of them has committed a gun crime in their lives, or they for sure, in my state, could not be there dealing. Actually, with the ATF rules and regs, I don't believe they could deal in any state had they committed any sort of felony. Kinda sucks, but it is what it is I guess.
Yet in almost every state it is easy to acquire a firearm without any background check as long as you just deal with a private party since there is no federal regulation and in most states no/little regulation.
As for the people at gun shows, I have only ever been to a handful in PA but what you do is a ton of overweight & obese people. I was shocked when I was in St. Louis on business several years ago when the NRA had their annual convention there & how many of the attendees coming in and out of the Convention Center were fat.
"The focus now shifts to the mother, the first casualty of her son's murderous rampage, who was a "big, big gun fan" as the NYT explains, and who went target shooting with her children, one of whom had Asperger's."
Are we talking here about a parent (ie the mother) who failed to take adequate security responsibility with the guns she owned and kept in the house...especially given that her son suffered from Asperger's Syndrome?
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I'm a member. Got my training there and I practice safety and responsibility. And... no one is going to harm my family or home.
We'd be in very deep doo doo without the right to bear arms... sociopaths on one side of us, despotic government on the other side. Ugh!
The first step in gun control should start with background checks and disarmament of the IRS. It would be a gracious statement from timmay and the lords of the underworld.
What gun control means to me?
Putting the round into the exact center of the target every time.
Fuck this. Big fucking deal. Move along
The degenerate elites who are raping and looting this country -the global mafia -the banksters - want nothing more than to disarm us, as they know we will eventually come after them to hang them all from the nearest tree. Can you blame them? it's either us or them and they know it. The big question is whether they can pull off conning enough Americans to pull it off- "it" meaning the total enslavement of America and a return to feudalism.
I think they already have.
One of the main reasons people abide by these laws, is because they know that if they are convicted of a crime, they will have their guns taken away.
why this is not terrorism?
Because terrorism is defined as the perpetration of an illegal violent act for the purpose of promoting political or social change.
Without the perp, we know not what his intentions were.
Supposing there were 2 shooters, and this was a staged event, where this kid is the left as the bag holder somehow, in order to advance a gun control agenda?
Nah, no way that could happen here.
Your nuts if you think this is a 'staged event.'
You are naive if you believe it is impossible for this to be a 'staged event'.
Read more about CIA and KGB programs. MK Ultra is a good starting point. Scopolamine is another.
I must have missed the chart showing the stats re: autism and aspergers and crime.
Surely I missed it, after this article's lame implication of a statistically relevant association?
If you are going to ban something freaking statistics matter. Guns don't kill people, the asshole behind the gun does. Blaming the gun is the samething as me blaming you for all drunk driving accidents cause I don't drink or me blaming the car for the drunk driving death. It makes no sense. BTW the anti-gun people use decades old stats to make their case even though the new stats show a totally diferent story.
Just so you know, states are supposed to link mental health records to NICS background checks, but they don't and Obama has not forced them to, why? So we get more of these things and he can ban a certain type of gun, assualt weapons, which are used in less than 5% of ALL gun violence. He has spent more money than God and made a case in 2010 for mental health records to be in the NICS, but hasn't ponied up the cash to the states for it? Coincidence? I dunno, but probably not. BTW, a .4% death rate from guns is stupidly low, that is 10K people a year versus 118,000 who dies in "accidents" like slipping on ice. Did you know that syphilis kills 36,000 people in the USA annually? SYPHILIS which $1 of penecillian cures kills more people than guns. Facts are a bitch when they don't go your way.
If a person views these events and the statistics in a reasonable and non-emotional way, there can be only one conclusion. However, that conclusion does not fit the current mindset of gun grabbers, so it gets ignored, disputed, demonized, etc. In reality, given the population and availability of guns, the number of death attributed to them is amazingly low. But, tragic events like this sure blow logic and cold reasoning out the window.
One of the clearest lessons of history is that when a citizenship is disarmed, a totalitarian state quickly follows. But, maybe it will be different here.........
Wow, that syphilis death rate seems a bit high to me. Do you have a link?globally seems about right but in the USA? If true I'm shocked. STD's are my bread and butter sad to say, guess I'll have my job for life.
Miffed:-)
Aspergers or not, this nutjob would not have had the opportunity to do what he did if he had been working rather than sitting idle. Imagine if he would have been working in a coal mine all day, or maybe on a road crew. All these hopeless, unemployed idle youths are a festering boil waiting to erupt. They sit around playing X-box all day learning guess what, oh mass murder. Now throw in some depression, drugs, and assorted psychopatholgy, it's not a pretty picture. Toss out the minimum wage, and all these free handouts. Put these kids to work and maybe they'll be distracted enough, or too tired to do anything else.
Nice collection of data. The "vulnerability" section is pretty scary.
I'm probably crazy.
But maybe giving weapons of mass destruction to the autistic isn't such a good idea.
However, what do I know.
I never went to Harvard or served in congress.
Peace.
http://www.angrysinner.blogspot.kr/2012/12/yesterday-i-hiked-ten-miles-through.html
But maybe giving weapons of mass destruction to the autistic isn't such a good idea.
so why elect Bush?
I can name dozens of famous scientists and engineers diagnosed Asperger's and/or clear symptoms of it. Other than this creep I can't name any premeditated killers with Asperger's. Its also mentioned that this guy had a personality disorder, which one?
Einstein is probably the most famous. His childhood clearly puts him on the autistic spectrum.
+1
Welcome to the Witch Hunt, circa 2012.
We are behaving as fools and cowards.
But, didn't the school have a "no guns" policy? Didn't stop that bad guy, did it?
As an infantry man in Vietnam, I was in the midst of an extremely armed environment - what struck me about this was that everyone was generally very polite to each other. It doesn't take much of an imagination to figure out why. Anyways, something about this most tragic event just does not smell right...
O is coming to Newtown tomorrow. He is going to begin the final stage of our disarmament, using the dead toddlers of our community as props.
No worries.
People remember that he didn't come to Vermont when it was drowned. Let him come. Let all of the political class dance on the graves of children.
By that, we shall know them better, and plan accordingly.
Vote:>> More gun control
Vote:>> More disturbed person control
Hey, what ever happened to the perpetrators of OPERATION FAST AND FURIOUS?
they were re-elected
There does to be an honest more deep debate regarding gun ownership.
The shooter is to be pitied, in my opinion. His materialistic family failed him in many ways. The children he killed and their families are to be embraced, and loved unconditionally without anyone making a political point of them.
The mother failed to fulfill her responsibility of owning weapons, keeping them securely locked and away from unlicensed people; her son in particular, given his tendency to violent outbursts and sad mental illness.
She failed him, and the children he killed. That is the key point here. If adults fail in their responsibilities, then children suffer. The father and older brother who left the shooter alone with his troubles are also culpable for callous self-serving ways.
When adults fail to fulfill their responsibilities, then children suffer.
It is easy to blame guns, and ignore the deeper problems.
The incidence of gun killings is increasing in this quasi-socialist Big Brother statist dystopia of money and power takes all, and to hell with the kids and their wage slave parents.
That shooter like so many others played too many computer games where he could kill his opponent rather than live in a community that makes peace with each other, regardless of differences.
His mother, his father, his brother and and the politics of greed they represent bear the ultimate responsibility for this terrible slaughter of innocents.
When adults take their rights and fail in their responsibility to the young and vulnerable, then innocents suffer.
Obama and DC: you are to blame for sophistry, and you cry on camera, while smiling privately that this slaughter may suit your corporatist agenda.
people were going crazy
gun stores cleaned out
managed to snag 900 rounds
There does need to be an honest more deep debate regarding gun ownership.
The shooter is to be pitied, in my opinion. His materialistic family failed him in many ways. The children he killed and their families are to be embraced, and loved unconditionally without anyone making a political point of them.
The mother failed to fulfill her responsibility of owning weapons, keeping them securely locked and away from unlicensed people; her son in particular, given his tendency to violent outbursts and sad mental illness.
She failed him, and the children he killed. That is the key point here. If adults fail in their responsibilities, then children suffer. The father and older brother who left the shooter alone with his troubles are also culpable for callous self-serving ways.
When adults fail to fulfill their responsibilities, then children suffer.
It is easy to blame guns, and ignore the deeper problems.
The incidence of gun killings is increasing in this quasi-socialist Big Brother statist dystopia of money and power takes all, and to hell with the kids and their wage slave parents.
That shooter like so many others played too many computer games where he could kill his opponent rather than live in a community that makes peace with each other, regardless of differences.
His mother, his father, his brother and and the politics of greed they represent bear the ultimate responsibility for this terrible slaughter of innocents.
When adults take their rights and fail in their responsibility to the young and vulnerable, then innocents suffer.
Obama and DC: you are to blame for sophistry, and you cry on camera, while smiling privately that this slaughter may suit your corporatist agenda.
Do you know what we need to do next?
We should give bazookas to retards.
I'm sure that will work out just splendidly.
Splendidly!
Peace.
http://www.angrysinner.blogspot.kr/2012/12/yesterday-i-hiked-ten-miles-through.html
Interesting: at first, 2 shooters were reported. Then it was one.
Also it was reported consistently (and still) that the shooter had two semi-auto pistols with him and a .223 left in the trunk of his car.
I just read today that the coroner said the kids were each shot 2 or 3 times with a "rifle" - this was repeated.
please spare us the facts
this is a time of national mourning and political opportunism, drones notwithstanding
Can't help myself -- btw I can now find no reference to the rifle statement by the coroner.
Found it:
"On Saturday, Chief Medical Examiner Dr. H. Wayne Carver said all the victims at the school were shot with a rifle, at least some of them up close, and all of them were apparently shot more than once. All six adults killed at the school were women. Of the 20 children, eight were boys and 12 were girls. All the children were 6 or 7 years old. "
http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_22199373/connecticut-shooting-victims-shot-multiple-times-close-range
So . . . how did he shoot everyone with a rifle when it was in the trunk of his car? What shell casings were picked up on the scene. Call in the FBI and seal the evidence!!!
Are you trying to get disappeared? You don't ask questions like this.
Investigative journalism is not allowed anymore, so don't hold your breath for straight answers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/nyregion/gunman-kills-20-children-at-school-in-connecticut-28-dead-in-all.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&
I reread the article, Bushmaster AR rifle, I expect this to be accurate due to the high death count.
Please god, bless those that lost loved ones and heal the black heart of mankind.
Shell casings tell the truth.
I would like to see the communications trail of this 20 year old who was obsessed with online games, and his recent associates.
A mentally disturbed boy can be pushed into anything by anyone. He was a lonely boy, abandoned by his 'family'. What 'family' did he find online, and what was their use of him?
Reported by AP and quoted linked by ZH yesterday:
"The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they official were not authorized to speak publicly about the developing investigation.
The first official said Adam Lanza is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
According to the first official, the suspect drove to the scene of the shootings in his mother's car. Three guns were found at the scene — a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols — and a .223-caliber rifle. The rifle was recovered from the back of a car at the school. The two pistols were recovered from inside the school."
here's the AR but reports yesterday were two shooters and handguns not these hunting rifles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbXXgzwupjo
The CopyCats are coming
Shots fired at Fashion Island; lockdown in effecthttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/12/shots-fired-at-fashion-isl...
Oh boy, this is one of those subjects that brings out the loonies :(
The consistent pattern since the 1960s with random mass shootings and even political assassinations (or attempted assassinations) is mental illness. The first modern mass random shottings started in the 1960s. It's a consequence of one of the worst ideas of that decade, the mass deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill. That (and urban renewal -- urban destruction) created the modern homelessness problem. And that led to another negative result, the rise of drug-resistant strains of tuberculosis.
And, in tony white, upper-middle class suburbs, far from the inner city and drug gangs, it led to strange and frightening phenomenon of random mass shootings.
This problem didn't exist before the 60s, because such crazy people were supervised or locked up, and couldn't easily access firearms, even though gun regulation was weaker then.
Other developed countries that also did the deinstitutionalizatin of the mentally ill (Canada, Holland, Scandinavia) have experienced similar incidents, for the same reasons. Earlier, I mentioned countries like Switzerland and Israel, where gun ownership is widespread but highly regulated. But those countries also don't have crazy people walking the streets.
Tyler,
To Whom it may concern:
Respectfully, For the families and the time of year. ( Can we please move forward)? The pilgrims burried their lost ones in peace.
can we have some peace?
Let's move foreward, \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Dear Yen, tough mind with a tender heart. Peace be with you and yours.
In New England, there is an old saying: don't get angry, get even. When this grief passes, there will be a reckoning.
People come to live in peace in New England, but far too many newcomers forget that with rights, come responsibility - duty to family and community is most important.
The shooter and most of those he killed were children. His family and their ways bear ultimate responsibility, and their love of money, and their political complacency.
newengland i have watched 2 Thousand remarks pass on this (and one other thread). I'm MAD/ I wonder how mad Mothers get in Afghanistan>
I wonder if the Pentagon is listening? When it all boils down newengland ( It's about FAMILY)
I tried to stay out of the fray/ When it get's in your face?
Dear Yen, tough mind and tender heart.
In New England, we bury our dead, and deal with other issues later. This is our way, our community.
BTW, I am not a neocon, a socialist, a communist, a corporatist or any other foreign thing that wishes to foist a new or old world order upon the people of the world.
I am a New Englander, plain and simple; one for all, all for one in New England.
Trade is a voluntary matter that requires no guns. 'Jaw, jaw, not war, war.'
"People come to live in peace in New England,"
The Puritans came to New England to establish a Theocracy. brutal monoplocy of a religeon.
Unplug the TV if you like
Tyler wrote:
"At the current homicide rate, roughly one in every 240 Americans will be murdered."
I would like to put it as 1/240th of a every single American will be murdered every day.
Life is short. Live it well and let others live well too.
You can put it like that, but it would be wrong. if 1/240 of every person was murdered every day, after 240 days, everyone would be dead.
tHIS CONSTANT DIATRIABE is stupid/ We have seen the horrific example of people/ Move forward.
Dear Yen,
We know that politicians are going to exploit this mass murder of children by a mentally ill son of a rich family, and try to use it to undermine the Constitution, again.
When adults are irresponsible, then the innocent suffer. We know this. The DC crowd are going to make many enemies here if they use the graves of children to advance their political agenda.
New England / Have you ever been to central Africa? Keep your children close.
Any sane person would realize the pattern. It's been the same since the dark ages/ Even after plague...
There are/is a small population that leaves the sane ranch/ The kid was methodical, just like (Caligula)....
People died and it's horrific/ let's Move foreward.
Dear Yen,
In New England, it is our habit to keep our children and community closest. However, newcomers make their money in financial centers, and want to live in beautiful New England, whereby they bring their problems with them; their greed and shallow disregard for community. They want picturesque New England.
The shooter is a prime example of the financial group, forsaken by his own family, and killing ours.
fair enough/ Lets call of the hounds/ It's not HAVEN for christs sakes. The kid was 20 years old, and would have been the (executioner on the tower of London) ...
I'm not saying it's right/ I'm just saying ( Monkeys do wierd shit) are we good?
Dear Yen,
We are always good. We are just trying to make sense of a world gone batshit crazy with politics, and their fans.
America is a violent place. We embrace violence. We are entertained by violence. Look at all the violence in TV programs, movies and video games.
However it is also a safe place. We keep our doors locked but I don't feel a need to re-activate the alarm system or buy a gun.
Have never been mugged or threatened by anyone. Wife was mugged at gunpoint several years before I met her, however. We live in a nice area of a big city, pay our taxes and don't engage in any activity that would put us in harms way.
Incidents like the recent shooting will probably occur more frequently. Our culture has created this. We own it and will have to deal with it.
Even Tyler Durden embraces violence. Project Mayhem is his creation. Seems a bit ironic that so many folks here are looking for answers or pointing fingers in a web site based on an ultra-violent fictional character. Think about that.
Violence is everywhere in the USA. There is no escaping it because we embrace it.
He, whoever the hell HE is also posts HIS blogs on the zionist shill site Info Whores. Think about that. I'm sots.
Texas ginslinger does that? Hmmm. I guess the world weird web is infested with political manipulators. Just wondering...
He was commenting on Tyler Durden (ultra-violent fictional character) and so was I
Where I live, we don't lock our cars or doors. Sorry for your problems, pal.
DC likes to promote the idea that the USA is a violent place when in fact most people live peacefully among their community.
Even NYC is cleaner than most world cities.
But didn't Tyler Durden only blow up banks, in the middle of the night, after making sure no one was in them?
I suppose you could consider pugilism as ultra violence; some people might think that people who partake in fist-fighting would be more likely to become violent criminals. They would be wrong.
There is a village in Peru, where every year the people get together in the town square and punch each other in the face. They have below average rates of violent crime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za05hDUszqE
Doesn't Vermont require no permit for concealed carry? If so, how can they be counted as a "shall issue"? Shouldn't they be counted as a "fuck off" state?
Yep.
It is interesting that the most gun crime in the U.S. happens in the places with the most gun control. It is obvious that gun crime is a matter of culture: some people kill neighbors because that is their way.
Guns don't kill. People do. Government is a prime example of mass killing, with the U.S. having the fewest men of military experience in the government in its history, yet waging endless war...and crying on TV is no reason to believe that the Commander in Chief cares about anything but endless war and corporatists who pay for him.
If DC uses the graves of children in Newtown to wage its endless war against the Constitution while waging endless war abroad, then it will make enemies in New England.
That last sentence/ I liked it! Well done ( New England)
If DC uses the graves of children in Newtown to wage its endless war against the Constitution while waging endless war abroad, then it will make enemies in New England.
You sound like a good guy or gal but with all due repsect - are you talk you New England or the people of NE? The people of NE voted for the faux crying POS, Kennedys, Deval Patrick, et al. I will not hold my breath that CT, MA, RI, VT, NH, ME start seiing the light. Sadly it ain't gonna happen. NE is probably the least Constitutionally active area of the country.
My heart breaks that this happened in this small safe town or really any town.
"Right-to-Carry Laws" blah blah blah
Article (amendment) 2, the Bill of Rights...PERIOD. I'm sots. Bill Cooper told any of his listeners who did not have a copy of the Constitution of the united States of America to turn off their radio.
This is another MK-ULTRA/CIA mind controlled false flag. Agenda 21 anyone?
I honestly don't care about this incident. Not sure if this makes me a sociopath, desensitized, or whatnot. I care more that bleeding hearts/liberals will use this "tragedy" for their own anti-gun agenda. We're probably one shooting away from the masses demanding they be stripped of another right (i.e. 2nd ammendment).
You are normal DEVO/ Rest assured you will go to HELL in the right way! ( bang away)
Right, 300 million guns in private hands and you're bitching about 2nd amendment fears! C'mon devolution, we're armed to the teeth. Bring it on!
With about 300 million guns in the hands of the public here in the USA, changing any rule governing their use is meaningless.
The problem is in the psyche of anyone who gains access to a gun.
Yeah the constructive response is probably asking why there are so many mentally ill people and trying to solve those problems. The violence is systemic and social. Reacting to a symptom doesn't cure the disease.
The violence is systemic and social.
Another reason why I cut out full-on-propaganda TV and Hollywood over 5 years ago. F Them! Member the old video stores. Almost 65% of the boxes or movie posters had someone holding a gun.
You have Michael Moore and other coming out right away. Miramax (aka Bob & Harvey Weinstein), Tarantino and Jamie Foxx making Kill Whitey films to inflame racial hatred. Hollywood is also video games which dehumanize young men along with drugs. All friends with the Democrats and O.
Media scum Bloomberg and Rupert Murdoch also came out against The Second Amendment minutes after the shooting. I tell conservatives who still watch TV that Fox news is not your friend. You have no friends on TV. Murdoch got away with hacking and bugging celebs, royalty and politcians phones in the UK. That British prick Piers Morgan (on CNN) also came out aganst guns yesterday and was up to his eyeballs in Murdoch's hacking scandal.
The govt of Red China also said the USA needs more gun control. I guess they want unarmed serfs when they come here to repossess the USA. It is easier to shoot unarmed serfs to harvest their organs in China.
Haven't read the comments so I'm not sure if this came up, but did anyone else think Obama was fake crying during his press conference? Looked like nothing was coming out, his voice didn't change, and he rubbed the wrong corner of his eye (using his middle finger no less).
It did cross my mind while seeing it live, but have seen from a couple of different angles since and one view shows real moisture at the edge of his left eye. He was emotionally invested. He can fake it with the best as he is afterall a politician, but he wasn't faking this one.
the stupid mainstream media
can always photoshop the photos and add shedding of waterfalls..
the fact of the matter is that he reached for the LATERAL corner of his eye as he was looking down....he put his finger on that corner as if tears flow UP...to dampen the "tear" as it was flowing up...LOL !!! freaking idiot !!
The mainstream media isn't stupid. They run the greatest propaganda machine in human history. But alas, I'm straying from the point. Although you're tearflow theories are indeed passionately expressed, they do not represent a reasonable basis to constitute sufficient grounds re: your 1st assertion that "he was faking it." Also, Pats by 3 over the Niners in a real ball buster.
devo you are SANE!!
I'm glad i am not the only one who saw this bs !! (this means MANY OTHERS saw it too) this is what I posted yesterday:
"odummer = freaking idiot !!
he's stupid and can't act...if he knew, he would be wiping away the medial aspect of his eye (towards the nose), not the lateral side...soooo STUPID...specially when looking down, gravity pulls down!!! NOT UP...you freaking CON artist idiot !!
i know, i know they don't teach Physics to LIE-berals....bunch of physics envious idiots !! maybe he will get it right next time...his croonies read ZH and maybe he will get the memo...= i still won't buy jack, won't buy any of his marketing bs"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-14/obama-deliver-statement-315-pm-webcast#comment-3064309
I noticed that. There was an interesting Theory of Mind thing going on there. He may have been sincere in his emotion but at the same time he was playing to an audience. I took his thoughts to be something along the lines of "if I go for below the eye, it will seem too LCD, so I'll shift it above the lid." It was a covering gesture. He's a consumate actor.