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Newtown Shooter Had Asperger Syndrome, And Some US Gun Facts
Update: The focus now shifts to the mother, the first casualty of her son's murderous rampage, who was a "big, big gun fan" as the NYT explains, and who went target shooting with her children, one of whom had Asperger's.
From the NYT:
She was “a big, big gun fan” who went target shooting with her children, according to friends. She enjoyed craft beers, jazz and landscaping. She was generous to strangers, but also high-strung, as if she were holding herself together.
Nancy Lanza was the first victim in a massacre carried out on Friday by her son Adam Lanza, 20, who shot her dead with a gun apparently drawn from her own collection, then drove her car to Sandy Hook Elementary School, where he killed 26 people, 20 of them small children, officials said.
At craft beer tastings on Tuesday evenings, he recalled, she liked to talk about her gun collection.
“She had several different guns,” he said. “I don’t know how many. She would go target shooting with her kids.”
Law enforcement officials said they believed that the guns were acquired lawfully and registered.
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She was “a big, big gun fan,” he added on his Web site.
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As we reported last night, buried inside the NYT biopic of Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was arguably one of the most important missing pieces in the story, at least so far, which could provide clues into partially explaining yesterday's tragic loss of young life, namely that the 20 year old man suffered from Asperger Syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism (two conditions which are being merged in the upcoming update of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-5) manual of mental disorders), which has been traditionally associated with social communication difficulties, including flat affect, and one which in some clinical studies has been shown to have a causal link to violence. In other words, in addition to the surge in the debate over national gun control and access limitations (ignoring that the perpetrator of the biggest school mass murder in US history - the Bath School disaster - used openly purchased dynamite and no guns, also ignoring that in the US there are roughly 300 million firearms), perhaps there should also be a broad discussion as to the risks of social misadoption of children with autism and other social and behavioral disorders.
He was an honors student who lived in a prosperous neighborhood with his mother, a well-liked woman who enjoyed hosting dice games and decorating the house for the holidays.
Now Adam Lanza is suspected of killing his mother and then gunning down more than two dozen people, 20 of them children, at a Connecticut grade school before taking his own life.
The 20-year-old may have suffered from a personality disorder, law enforcement officials said.
The New York Times reported Saturday morning that several people told the newspaper that Lanza had Asperger’s syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism.
The Times reported Lanza did not have a Facebook page and did not pose for a high school yearbook picture.
He was described as socially awkward and was known in high school as “intelligent, but nervous and fidgety, spitting his words out, as if having to speak up were painful.”
Investigators were trying to learn as much as possible about Lanza and questioned his older brother, who is not believed to have any involvement in the rampage.
Lanza killed his mother at their home before driving her car to Sandy Hook Elementary School and — armed with at least two handguns — carried out the massacre, officials said.
A third weapon, a .223-caliber rifle, was found in the car, and more guns were found inside the school.
So far, authorities have not spoken publicly of any possible motive. Witnesses said the shooter didn’t utter a word.
Catherine Urso, who was attending a vigil Friday evening in Newtown, Conn., said her college-age son knew the killer and remembered him for his alternative style.
“He just said he was very thin, very remote and was one of the goths,” she said.
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Adam Lanza’s older brother, 24-year-old Ryan Lanza of Hoboken, N.J., was being questioned, a law enforcement official said. He told authorities that his brother was believed to suffer from a personality disorder, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record about the unfolding investigation.
The official did not elaborate, and it was unclear exactly what type of disorder he might have had.
Ryan Lanza had been extremely cooperative and was not under arrest or in custody, but investigators were still searching his computers and phone records. Ryan Lanza told law enforcement he had not been in touch with his brother since about 2010.
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Adam Lanza attended Newtown High School, and several local news clippings from recent years mention his name among the school’s honor roll students.
And while much needed insight into the shooter's abnormal mental state is critical before passing judgment, the reality is that Lanza - who may well have been mentally disturbed - should certainly not have had access to the arsenal of weapons he ultimately used in perpetrating yesterday's tragedy. The much debated question, of course, that is already emerging is whose responsibility is it to limit such access: that of the individual, that of the closest family members, or that of the state, and if it is the latter, then the question becomes one of practical enforceability in a country where the second amendment is deeply engrained in the popular psychology, and where there are nearly as many guns as people.
Some more facts and figures - without opinions - on US weapons from justfacts.com
Introductory Notes
This research is based upon the most recent available data in 2010. Facts from earlier years are cited based upon availability and relevance, not to slant results by singling out specific years that are different from others. Likewise, data associated with the effects of gun control laws in various geographical areas represent random, demographically diverse places in which such data is available.
Many aspects of the gun control issue are best measured and sometimes can only be measured through surveys,[1] but the accuracy of such surveys depends upon respondents providing truthful answers to questions that are sometimes controversial and potentially incriminating.[2] Thus, Just Facts uses such data critically, citing the best-designed surveys we find, detailing their inner workings in our footnotes, and using the most cautious plausible interpretations of the results.
Particularly, when statistics are involved, the determination of what constitutes a credible fact (and what does not) can contain elements of personal subjectivity. It is our mission to minimize subjective information and to provide highly factual content. Therefore, we are taking the additional step of providing readers with four examples to illustrate the type of material that was excluded because it did not meet Just Facts' Standards of Credibility.
General Facts
Firearms are generally classified into three broad types: (1) handguns, (2) rifles, and (3) shotguns.[3] Rifles and shotguns are both considered "long guns."
A semi-automatic firearm fires one bullet each time the trigger is pulled and automatically loads another bullet for the next pull of the trigger. A fully automatic firearm (sometimes called a "machine gun") fires multiple bullets with the single pull of the trigger.[4]
Ownership
As of 2009, the United States has a population of 307 million people.[5]
Based on production data from firearm manufacturers,[6] there are roughly 300 million firearms owned by civilians in the United States as of 2010. Of these, about 100 million are handguns.[7]
Based upon surveys, the following are estimates of private firearm ownership in the U.S. as of 2010:
| Households With a Gun | Adults Owning a Gun | Adults Owning a Handgun | |
| Percentage | 40-45% | 30-34% | 17-19% |
| Number | 47-53 million | 70-80 million | 40-45 million |
A 2005 nationwide Gallup poll of 1,012 adults found the following levels of firearm ownership:
| Category |
Percentage Owning a Firearm |
| Households | 42% |
| Individuals | 30% |
| Male | 47% |
| Female | 13% |
| White | 33% |
| Nonwhite | 18% |
| Republican | 41% |
| Independent | 27% |
| Democrat | 23% |
In the same poll, gun owners stated they own firearms for the following reasons:
| Protection Against Crime | 67% |
| Target Shooting | 66% |
| Hunting | 41% |
Crime and Self-Defense
Roughly 16,272 murders were committed in the United States during 2008. Of these, about 10,886 or 67% were committed with firearms.[11]
A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 0.5% of households had members who had used a gun for defense during a situation in which they thought someone "almost certainly would have been killed" if they "had not used a gun for protection." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 162,000 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard."[12]
Based on survey data from the U.S. Department of Justice, roughly 5,340,000 violent crimes were committed in the United States during 2008. These include simple/aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders.[13] [14] [15] Of these, about 436,000 or 8% were committed by offenders visibly armed with a gun.[16]
Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18]
A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 3.5% of households had members who had used a gun "for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 1,029,615 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard."[19]
A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year.[20]
A 1982 survey of male felons in 11 state prisons dispersed across the U.S. found:[21]
• 34% had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"
• 40% had decided not to commit a crime because they "knew or believed that the victim was carrying a gun"
• 69% personally knew other criminals who had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"[22]
Click here to see why the following commonly cited statistic does not meet Just Facts' Standards of Credibility: "In homes with guns, the homicide of a household member is almost 3 times more likely to occur than in homes without guns."
Vulnerability to Violent Crime
At the current homicide rate, roughly one in every 240 Americans will be murdered.[23]
A U.S. Justice Department study based on crime data from 1974-1985 found:
• 42% of Americans will be the victim of a completed violent crime (assault, robbery, rape) in the course of their lives
• 83% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime
• 52% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime more than once[24]
A 1997 survey of more than 18,000 prison inmates found that among those serving time for a violent crime, "30% of State offenders and 35% of Federal offenders carried a firearm when committing the crime."[25]
Right-to-Carry Laws
Right-to-carry laws permit individuals who meet certain "minimally restrictive" criteria (such as completion of a background check and gun safety course) to carry concealed firearms in most public places.[95] Concealed carry holders must also meet the minimum federal requirements for gun ownership as detailed above.
Each state has its own laws regarding right-to-carry and generally falls into one of three main categories:
1) "shall-issue" states, where concealed carry permits are issued to all qualified applicants
2) "may-issue" states, where applicants must often present a reason for carrying a firearm to an issuing authority, who then decides based on his or her discretion whether the applicant will receive a permit
3) "no-issue" states, where concealed carry is generally forbidden
As of January 2012:
40 states are shall-issue:
| Alaska | Arizona | Arkansas | Colorado |
| Florida | Georgia | Idaho | Indiana |
| Iowa | Kansas | Kentucky | Louisiana |
| Maine | Michigan | Minnesota | Mississippi |
| Missouri | Montana | Nebraska | Nevada |
| New Hampshire | New Mexico | North Carolina | North Dakota |
| Ohio | Oklahoma | Oregon | Pennsylvania |
| Rhode Island | South Carolina | South Dakota | Tennessee |
| Texas | Utah | Vermont | Virginia |
| Washington | West Virginia | Wisconsin | Wyoming |
9 states are may-issue:
| Alabama | California | Connecticut | Delaware |
| Hawaii | Maryland | Massachusetts | New Jersey |
| New York |
Accidents
In 2007, there were 613 fatal firearm accidents in the United States, constituting 0.5% of 123,706 fatal accidents that year.[120]
Fatal firearm accidents in 2007 by age groups:
| Age Group | Fatal Firearm Accidents | |
| Raw number | Portion of fatal accidents
from all causes |
|
| <1 yrs | 1 | 0.1% |
| 1-4 yrs | 18 | 1.1% |
| 5-9 yrs | 20 | 2.1% |
| 10-14 yrs | 26 | 2.1% |
| 15-24 yrs | 155 | 1.0% |
| 25-34 yrs | 94 | 0.6% |
| 35-44 yrs | 91 | 0.5% |
| 45-54 yrs | 82 | 0.4% |
| 55-64 yrs | 57 | 0.5% |
| 65+ yrs | 69 | 0.2% |
Non-Fatal
In 2007, there were roughly 15,698 emergency room visits for non-fatal firearm accidents,[123] constituting 0.05% of 27.7 million emergency room visits for non-fatal accidents that year.[124]
These emergency room visits for non-fatal firearm accidents resulted in 5,045 hospitalizations,[125] constituting 0.4% of 1.4 million non-fatal accident hospitalizations that year.[126]
Criminal Justice System
Nationwide in 2008, law enforcement agencies reported that 55% of aggravated assaults, 27% of robberies, 40% of rapes, and 64% of murders that were reported to police resulted in an alleged offender being arrested and turned over for prosecution.[26] [27]
Currently, for every 12 aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders committed in the United States, approximately one person is sentenced to prison for committing such a crime.[28] [29] [30]
A 2002 U.S. Justice Department study of 272,111 felons released from state prisons in 1994 found that within three years of their release:
• at least 67.5% had been arrested for committing a new offense
• at least 21.6% had been arrested for committing a new violent offense
• these former inmates had been charged with committing at least 2,871 new homicides, 2,444 new rapes, 3,151 other new sexual assaults, 2,362 new kidnappings, 21,245 new robberies, 54,604 new assaults, and 13,854 other new violent crimes[31]
Of 1,662 murders committed in New York City during 2003-2005, more than 90% were committed by people with criminal records.[32]
Washington, DC
In 1976, the Washington, D.C. City Council passed a law generally prohibiting residents from possessing handguns and requiring that all firearms in private homes be (1) kept unloaded and (2) rendered temporally inoperable via disassembly or installation of a trigger lock. The law became operative on Sept. 24, 1976.[33] [34]
On June 26, 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court, in a 5-4 ruling, struck down this law as unconstitutional.[35]
During the years in which the D.C. handgun ban and trigger lock law was in effect, the Washington, D.C. murder rate averaged 73% higher than it was at the outset of the law, while the U.S. murder rate averaged 11% lower.[37]
Britain
In 1920, Britain passed a law requiring civilians to obtain a certificate from their district police chief in order to purchase or possess any firearm except a shotgun. To obtain this certificate, the applicant had to pay a fee, and the chief of police had to be "satisfied" that the applicant had "good reason for requiring such a certificate" and did not pose a "danger to the public safety or to the peace." The certificate had to specify the types and quantities of firearms and ammunition that the applicant could purchase and keep.[38]
In 1968, Britain made the 1920 law stricter by requiring civilians to obtain a certificate from their district police chief in order to purchase or possess a shotgun. This law also required that firearm certificates specify the identification numbers ("if known") of all firearms and shotguns owned by the applicant.[39]
In 1997, Britain passed a law requiring civilians to surrender almost all privately owned handguns to the police. More than 162,000 handguns and 1.5 million pounds of ammunition were "compulsorily surrendered" by February 1998. Using "records of firearms held on firearms certificates," police accounted for all but fewer than eight of all legally owned handguns in England, Scotland, and Wales.[40]
† Homicide data is published according to the years in which the police initially reported the offenses as homicides, which are not always the same years in which the incidents took place.
‡ Large anomalies unrelated to guns:
2000: 58 Chinese people suffocated to death in a shipping container en route to the UK
2002: 172 homicides reported when Dr. Harold Shipman was exposed for killing his patients
2003: 20 cockle pickers drowned resulting in manslaughter charges
2005: 52 people were killed in the July 7th London subway/bus bombings
Not counting the above-listed anomalies, the homicide rate in England and Wales has averaged 52% higher since the outset of the 1968 gun control law and 15% higher since the outset of the 1997 handgun ban.[42]
Chicago
In 1982, the city of Chicago instituted a ban on handguns. This ban barred civilians from possessing handguns except for those registered with the city government prior to enactment of the law. The law also specified that such handguns had to be re-registered every two years or owners would forfeit their right to possess them. In 1994, the law was amended to require annual re-registration.[43] [44] [45]
In the wake of Chicago's handgun ban, at least five suburbs surrounding Chicago instituted similar handgun bans. When the Supreme Court overturned the District of Columbia's handgun ban in June 2008, at least four of these suburbs repealed their bans.[46] [47] [48] [49] [50]
In June 2010, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (5-4) that Chicago's ban is unconstitutional.[51]
Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the Chicago murder rate has averaged 17% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 25% lower.[53]
Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect.[55]
In 2005, 96% of the firearm murder victims in Chicago were killed with handguns.[56]
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He was fake crying. Rather than be a man and be presidential and not cry, he faked it to appeal to his base. And it worked.
The left goes gaga over this fraud because he is a living embodiment of their corruption.
There is an Adam Lanza sleeping in each one of us. Leave him alone. If you try and wake him up, there will be consequences.
Earth to Ben Bernanke? ---- Earth to Lord Blankfien---- Earth to the SQUID?
Earth to everyone.....peace.
I've noticed many people posting here that believe we need need our second amendment or semi-automatic weapons to "overthrow" or "stand-up" to the government if it comes down to that.
1) If it hasn't come down to that now, when will it? Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. I don't see the million M-16 march on Washington happening anytime soon. What are you waiting for? They've killed our economy, they've killed our foreign affairs. They've killed our perception in the world. They've killed our liberties (see Patriot act and NDAA and internet censorship and phone spying). All you who cry for semi-auto's for this purpose are full of it, because all you are is hunkered down. You are not overthrowing your government. You are not even raising lawsuits against them, when you legally could. Racketeering being only one reason. Keep talking, your claim holds no water. Why? Because they've killed your spirit.
2) If you really think your semi-automatic weapon will any good against a battalion of armed forces showing up at your door, you are delusional. Your semi is nothing but a pop-gun to the greatest force the world has ever known.
So, if this is the stance you are taking, one can only conclude that you are one that is delusional; What can you and your semi do about it? Nothing. And now you are the one that is disenfranchised. You are the one that is betrayed and lied to. You are the one who's spirit is spinning down the whirlpool with every dollar printed, every education wasted, every bomb dropped, every slap in the face.
I'm watching out for you, Mr. semi-automatic. I'm watching out for you.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
The Joker speaks. Case closed.
Joker: Many folks on this site spend the bulk of their day in front of a computer trying to trade with the beast they claim to detest. Many of them probably own a gun but are afraid to show it in the light of day lest their neighbor call the SWAT team down on them.
All that aside, how do you take the beast down? STOP. PAYING. TAXES. If people can't figure out how to do that on a PEACEFUL basis there really is no hope.
Guns are good defense against social collapse. The military rank and file are still trusted as an institution and would be there to defend the Constitution in a civil war. Firing upon fellow Americans is still uncool. Obama does like them for it.
That could change with more subversions and purgings in the military, such as sacking of more generals as happened surrounding Benghazi. Watch for more of it, would be very bad sign.
Your trust is misplaced. Soldiers take orders. If they are told the mission is to protect the citizens from some threat (civil unrest, terrorism, outside forces, inside forces, extremists, neighborhood rebels, the list goes on), they will accomplish the mission. They are not defending the constitution now, why would they in the future? I am sure it is constitutional that we get the approval of congress before we go to war in Syria, or Iran, or Russia; but you watch and see, we won't get that approval. The current NDAA is unconstitutional, but where are the "rank and file"? The Patriot act is unconstitutional, the "rank and file" is no where to be seen on that. Lybia, unconstitutional. Rank and file. They file in, they follow orders. It's not their job to think, just act.
Politicians and their fans take orders, and wage endless war, although few of them have the courage to look into eyes of the person they kill. They send braver men to die for their cowardice.
Killing another human being is hard, but politicians and their fans wage endless war whilst blaming the Armed Forces who swear an oath to defend the people who vote.
The people vote for endless war, apparently. And the politicians party on, dancing on the grave of children worldwide.
If they got away with fast and furious, why in hell do you think anything would come out of this Benghazi stuff. The douches got re-elected, the media is disinterested, they can get away with pretty much anything it appears.
I don't think you meant "disinterested."
@ The Joker
I don't worry about the gummit coming for my guns, not yet anyway. What I worry about are the criminals and mentally unhinged, who are unfortunately too frequently encountered. I always assume the angry individuals are packing.
I was walking across a parking lot last spring when an old fucker comes roaring down the lane and nearly runs me over. He rolls his window down and yells, "you got a problem?" I replied "Do I have a problem, what do you think?" "Well, you just ran right out in front of me, I could have run you over blah blah blah." I go, "I was watching you." "Oh," he mutters, like he's disappointed I defused his anger. I always assume they're strapped.
This kind of thing happens to me maybe once or twice a year. My only "crime" (in his eyes) was giving him a sideways glance when he nearly clipped me.
My advice is to stop running out in front of old fuckers when they are roaring down parking lots.
LOL
New england have you looked at those Murder rate charts in Chicago and Washington/ Pretty sticky.
Yep.
The problem with DC is that it fears the people who vote for it most.
Massacres will keep going on, even if they ban all guns. In China a man stabs 22 kids with a knife. China had recently instituted strict knife purchasing laws. Didn't matter, the guy still was able to slash 22 kids.
It seems quite a bit of this is caused by medications. Why isn't their a call by Liberal extremists for a ban on psycho-tropic drugs? After the meds, comes the copy cats. Check out the headlines at CNN alone...they report the stories as entertainment. By now, these massacres are imprinted in everyone's heads, and when another American's brain fries from all the prescription dope and guns are lying around....Well, you get the picture.
Guys like this ( New England) person have good intensions/ he is a good person.
/Good on him.
Okay, I'll take the bait Yen...
When was the last time you endorsed an individual, anonymous poster?
No Bait/ New England is good shit. I like the guy/ Angus Maximus, It's a bit late in London? GMT-8 in my neck of the woods?
Middle of the night for you (Union Jack) die hards?
Yen: Canada, Alberta.
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Adam Lanza was another intelligent, troubled 20-something unemployed white male living at home in his Mom's basement. That really sux, cause we now have growing legions of those, so thanks Obama. They don't them 'SNAP' cards for nothing. Wait until the rest of them figure out all their futures are fucked for life.
Adam's Mom had a ongoing dispute with the school over Adam's education direction, so she pulled him out in 10th grade (3 yr ago) to home school him after the family's divorce in which she got the $547,000 house on 2.5 acres and enough money to not have to work. Looks like Mom did love him very much.
Adam tried to buy his own gun last week but was turned away (unknown reason) so he apparently went for Mom's guns and he shot her in the face. Maybe she got shot trying to stop him? Or, maybe he just found out for himself for the first time last week he was 'nuts' when he went to go buy a gun of his very own but was turned down for being "crazy".
His face on Drudge shows Adam Lanza presenting with extreme physical manifestations of a troubled mind: gaunt and emaciated, with sunken eyes, like he hated his own Kreb's Cycle and didn't mind living off of just ketones for long stretches! Not good for brains. Any psych meds might not even work as intended for a patient in such a condition and only make things worse. What he did was atrocious and beyond words, but I still feel sorry for Adam Lanza too, because this was clearly a very troubled guy.
Sorry, but those "legions" started growing long before Obama.
He was troubled, and used by adults, including Daddy and Daddy's 'company'.
Did they do a thourough tox screen on this kid after they shot him?
They are waiting a few days to do the autopsy, should be done tonight:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/nyregion/gunman-kills-20-children-at-s...
Do you think waiting 48 hours will have an affect on the tox screen?
Lot of stupid posts on this thread. The bottom line is, Adam Lanza was a mentally ill guy who had access to weapons, and he used them. What more needs to be said? You either (a) eliminate mental illness, (b) prevent the mentally ill from getting weapons, or (c) get used to massacres. Good luck with (a)!
Welcome back to "Life as We Know It""....
I might help if access to health care was easier and more affordable than owing a gun.
Access to healthcare is already free for people who get into trouble that are mentally ill or developmentally disabled. It's called the department of health and welfare. Try again.
And thank you for proving your point that there are a lot of stupid posts on here. Aspergers is not a mental illness. It is a developmental disorder.
Oh, sorry--here, I'll rewrite my second sentence for you: "The bottom line is, Adam Lanza was a guy with a developmental disorder who had access to weapons, and he used them." Happy? And does that somehow change my point?
So.......what happened to the 2nd guy?
http://news.yahoo.com/two-gunmen-elementary-school-shooting-151955649--a...
http://www.infowars.com/newtown-school-shooting-story-already-being-chan...
The world may dance on the graves of children, but those close to home will remember the original reports including the second gunman.
Obama, DC and their political fans will make many enemies if they come to Newtown for their own agenda. He and they should pray for the dead, and leave.
The solution to the mental illness problem: do not allow yourself to get ill in the first place.
There is an old saying: "A stitch in time saves nine"......and....
Prevention is better than cure.
I hate it when people ridicule other people. Why? Why even post such utter nonsense in teh first place? Do you have no pride? Are you really that much of a maroon?
The mother was a big, big gun fan.....her sister says she bought a couple of guns for self defense after her divorce since she was alone except for the kid. That doesn't seem like a big, big gun fan. Her crime is not storing them safely so that they could fall in to the wrong hands. People do stupid shit.
So, he borrowed that assault rifle from his mom?
Please explain exactly what an assault rifle is.
Apprently, though they ATF hasn't confirmed, not that that would stop speculation, stuff like she was a big, big gun fan.
Google is your friend. or maybe not, in your case.
Not sure what that means in context, but what exactly is an assault rifle or weapon? People throw terms around they have no clue about. Is it an automatic rifle? Is it a semi-automatic rifle? Is it only 'scary looking' semi-automatic rifles? Does it include swords and maces? Crossbows? Bolt actions? Single actions, double actions?
For the sake of discussion, let's say an automatic weapon with a high rate of fire designed to kill a lot of people at fairly close range.
What is an "automatic" weapon?
Google is not my friend or anyone's "friend - so you tell us all about "automatic" weapons?
Did Adam have an "automatic" weapon?
Koos, if you're hoping to have an intelligent conversation about firearms. It would help if you familiarized yourself with the correct terms. Because it is impossible to argue with people who confuse things like automatic, semi automatic, assault rifle etc. It really just muddies the water around a thoughtful debate.
Its frightening a lot of us Aussies that popular culture here tends to follow the US, though culturally we are much more like the Canadians. Bottom line is anyone who was objective and simply looked at the death rates from guns per head of population and the availability/access to firearms legally and illegally would rapidly conclude there is a strong link and whatever the US is doing it aint workin!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_...
In Australia you cannot own a gun without a license, the police strictly investigate you first and when you have them you must lock them in a gun safe. Its strictly controlled. In mexico it seems you can simply have up to 10 at home including semi autos without permit but need a permit to carry them. There are 9x the deaths from guns in the US c/w Aus. Pretty much only cops, security people and criminals would be running around the streets with a handgun. Ive never seen a handgun publically carried by a citizen. Almost no one "has one in the glovebox". Gunshot injuries in A&E are rare.
For the swiss argument (low deaths, high gun possession) this is explained by different cultural perspective on guns, and the much lower incidence of illegal activities involving illegal and legal weapons (ie drugs)
It astounds me that the US citizens cannot see that gun possession, access and regulaton should be hugely stricter and the homicide rate would undoubtedly fall in line with other countries (from firearms). Hell with the defense argument, just make it so tasers at home are legal but guns not. The tragedy of the politics behind it is killing people. Y'all would be safer if you restricted guns severely, but I fear the entrenched gun psyche (its my rights!) and political lobbying will just see you stay in the 10 fold more likely to be shot category.
I have no gun, I loved FPS games when younger (some family hunt, shoot as a sport and love it), and the reality is I dont need one to feel safe either in my home or in public.
Home invasions are sadly increasing in frequency, and appear to be often drug related crime (the odd "oops I got the wrong house" scenario) or people preying on elderly people.
Aussies that popular culture here tends to follow the US, though culturally we are much more like the Canadians.
Your demographocs are a lot more liike Canada too. The majority of violent crime in America has to do more with "demographics." The American "demographics" that are comparable to Oz and Canada probably have lower violent crime stats than Australia and possibly Canada.
Do you know that in the last 4 years - Americans bought 50 million more guns? I would guess there is easily one gun per person in America. We don't trust politicians and the governemnt for good reasons. We have seen far too many examples of unarmed citizens being screwed over and murdered. Russa, China, Ukraine, Cambodia, Armenia and many others.
The Swiss, Canadians, and Aussies do not have mega violent cinema (Hollywood) which is also tied into the mega violent video game industry. Also do the Swiss, Canadians and Aussies medicate their young children with dangerous anti-depressant drugs like all of the mass murdering young men in the USA were on?
Canada compared to America, we certainly have different demographics. The large groups of immigrants/minorities we have are mainly from Indian subcontinent, Vietnam, Phillipinnes and China.
I can attest that 90% of our media is American media, so nearly identical. The biggest difference I can see is that our network news channels are less sensational, although that is changing. Even the CBC has changed alot over the last decade.
We likely medicate less, but still quite a bit. I would say the main difference is that our doctors have less of a financial incentive to sell prescriptions. The drugs themselves are quite subsidized, so it certainly isn't due to lack of availability or affordability.
What do you call a kid with Asberger's Syndrome with no guns?
Not a killer.
Lord Koos or King of the Dipshits. Asbergers does not lead to violence, and you are only exacerbating the problem.
Reading through comments is great fun. Those gun free zones.........do they strike anyone else as like if back in the wild west if pioneers were going to go in to injun territory they would be told NOT to be armed else they might upset the injuns and cause violence?
A wacky friend of mine has said for years that school principals, as a requirement for taking the job, should be trained in self-defense and licensed to carry, and willing and able to use force in a situation like this. I used to think he was nuts.................
adam lanza.
WHO does he remind of me of ???.....mmmm....oh yes michael phelps..both are "freaks" with big ears...except phelp's mother got him ear surgery and directed him to use his energy positively.
both have long faces, big outward ears and both are "freaks"...according to society. maybe that's why phelps's exceled bc he wanted to fit in..and get the babes!
http://gawker.com/5069852/michael-phelps-and-the-nerdy-endorsement-trap
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248477/She-threw-gunman-save-students-Astonishing-story-brave-teacher-died-protecting-children-deeply-disturbed-killer.html
I pity that boy Adam Lanza, the rich family's child. They were so busy with money that they forgot him.
When adults forget their responsibilities, then innocents suffer. Adults will try to use that boy again, it seems, as an excuse for their failures, and promoting their money and political agenda. Dancing on the graves of children.
His mother had a social duty to keep her guns locked and away from anyone that could misuse them. She didn't, and Newtown's children died along with her son who pulled a trigger that she bought.
She may have had her guns locked up. All the facts aren't known yet. Don't judge her, at least on that score, prematurely. Maybe she had them locked up and he got the combination. Just speculating.
Anetodal research I did today on the web showed that the price of ammo has really jumped already. How many times are the stupid rubes who own guns in this country going to pay greatly inflated prices especially for ammo because of some completely ridiculous and unfounded belief that 'guns will be outlawed in the U.S?' This happened in '00 in the run to the Gore/Bush election in a big way, to a lesser degree in '04 with Kerry/Bush, and big-time in '08 and the past year.
This isn't a single piece of legislation in Congress that remotely comes close to that point and even rabid gun laws lobbies like the Brady Center don't remotely advocate 'outlawing guns.'
First off, no legislation is needed when executive orders could be had instead, so the fact no legislation is ready is irrelevant. Then again, online ammo purchase bills and others have been floated as recently as last year.
As for the Brady Campaign to Disarm America, you are mistaken. They call for banning "assualt weapons" (whatever those are), guns which are too small ("pocket rockets"), too big (.50 BMG), too inaccurate ("junk guns") and too accurate ("sniper rifles"). There seems to be no gun at all that is Just Right, that they will never seek to ban, eventually. After all, there will always the Largest Caliber That People Can Still Own, even should they succeed at having .50s banned. All the way down to .17s. In England, pellet guns with more than 10? 6? foot pounds muzzle energy are the most anyone can own - or at least could once own some time ago. Maybe it's 1 now. Maybe it's zero. Are pellet guns even still legal there? But saying the Brady Campaign doesn't want to outlaw guns is mistaken, although they are sure to take it one step at a time. One reasonable, modest, small step at a time, until they are all banned. We've seen it before.
An executive order 'banning guns' would be challenged in multiple federal curcuit courts and almost certainly be instantly overturned. That's a complete red-herring.
As for the Brady Campaign, you full of it on several accounts including all of categorical bans. There current legislative efforts are right here:
http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/
The 'assault weapon ban' is to to reanact the Assault Weapons ban of '94 and is very clear on what they are pushing.
I already stated they will go for guns one type at a time. Reread your own post: "[Their] CURRENT legislative efforts are right here: " Should they get that one, I am willing to bet they won't stop there.
"Our main agenda is to have all guns bannd. We must use whatever means possible. It does not matter if you have to distort facts or even lie." Sarah Brady, National Educator, Jan 1994
"We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily - given the political realities -going to be very modest. So we'll have to start working again to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen the next law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal - total control of handguns in the United States - is going to take time. The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. And the final problem is to make possession of all handguns and handgun ammunition - except for military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors - totally illegal." - Nelson Shields, Chairman Emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc, The New Yorker, July 26, 1976m p.53f. N.B Nelson Shields headed the Brady Campaign for more than 10 years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Campaign
So you are basing your assessment on what might happen at some distant future with an incredibly low probability and going against the current and overwhelming trend at the federal and state level the past 30 years on the wide expansion on gun rights especially the right to carry.
Your a nut and there is largely no talking or reasoning with you. Just have this paranoid/delusional belief that completely flies in the face of what has happened recently or what will almost certainly happen.
The question here is what are the intentions of the Brady Campaign. I'm quoting their own words! For this you call me paranoid or delusional. Who is the crazy one?
Those were 2 quotes one that was over 40 years ago and another 20 years ago. Not what they are remotely pushing from a legislative standpoint currently and flies in face of what has transpired with gun laws in the US the past 30 years both legislatively or in the courts.
Done responding to you because there is no point. Your just going to believe your delusional crap.
That is England and not the US and contrary to your paranoid delusional rantings US gun rights have greatly expanded the last 30 years in the US and never at a time in US history have people generally enjoyed such freedom to carry a weapon.
I own guns and grew up hunting in PA but I am torn on the issue of guns rights. People who carry a concealed firearm at all times especially those who live in surburban/rural areas strike me more often than not as kind of paranoid & possessing 'tough guy syndrome' instead of just trying to smart avoid a confrontation or trouble in the first place. Also think that the concealed crowd who think their right to carry concealed guns should triumph property rights are lunatics. If I own a business or piece of property and make it clear I don't want firearms or weapons of any kind while in it or on it, my property rights should triumph gun owners rights any day of the week.
This was a terrible post. Way too many statistics that have little to no relation to one another, citing crime figures that are more than 30 years old in some cases, and stretching points including the link of violence and Asberger's.
Wish the author would just focus on one smaller topic instead of this massive deluge of various data points that is largely unorganized and doesn't have strong conclusions.
The stark reality is this - we are a country completely saturated with guns and while increasing background checks (even as a gunowner I find it ridiculous that 40-45% of gun sales in the US annually are estimated to have zero background check largely because of private transactions) & enforcement would likely lower gun-related violence numbers on a per capita basis these kind of incidents are going to be tough if not impossile to prevent due to the sheer amount of guns & households in which they are in.
If you have cash, getting a weapon in the U.S. requires very little to no effort. Just need to spend a little time finding a private owner who will play ball.
Having widespread ownership and relatively easy access to firearms means that a society has to be willing to deal with relatively large amounts of negative effects as a result including gun-related homicide and suicide. The only reason that the homicide rates are lower too in the US is that while 2/3 of victims who get shot die before getting to a hospital, most inner-city trauma units are able to save the lives of multi-gun shot victims.
Good family friend who now teaches at Hershey Medical Center in PA as an ER physician says that US surgeons have the most advanced skills in the world at treating gun shot wounds & that the US Armed Services often has inner city trauma surgeons transfer that learning and methods in several ways especially to Army/Marine surgeons.
Here's a very interesting page summarizing some systematic research on US civilian mass murders:
http://blog.oup.com/2012/09/seven-myths-of-mass-murder/
Over the period studied (last 50 years, roughly), the incident and victim tallies peaked in 2003. The connection to mental illness/severe personality disorders is overwhelming. But there are some myths about that too, that psychopathic killers "snap" or are impulsive. In fact, in their delusions, they are quite systematic and thorough, often leaving clues about what they will do. Some people pick up on the clues; many fail to take them seriously.
Ban on assault weapons dominates so much of the gun rights conversation and it is largely a waste of time. Very few crimes, homicides, and suicides are committed with them annually in the U.S. and banning access to them will likely have a very minimal effect. Just a politcal sexy issue that the NRA uses to raise money and the liberals on the left harp on about.
The issue where I want the focus to be on is increasing the toughness of background checks and selling limits. We also have to deal with the issue of the private sales in which there is basically no regulation and constitute about 40-45% of gun sales in the US annually. The 2nd issue is much more difficult because of the sheer amount of sales annually, the historical nature of the US, and trying to craft reasonable regulation that doesn't overreach and/or is largely ineffective.
http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2012/12/15/against-monsters/
From Massad Ayoob, a very well-respected police officer, firearms trainer and expert witness.
And how many inocent women and children does a drone take out in on fell swoop. Ah, but I guess that's OK. There's a deeper seated mental disturbance in human psych and moreso US psych than Aspergers syndrome or Goth depression. This pathetic society, in tears over these deaths (and it is sad), condones the deaths of tens of thousands of men, women and children (yes, condones when you vote in the same crazies doing exactly the same thing as Adam) in Iraq, Afganistan, Libya, Syria and probably Iran next. The problem is not the guns, but a deeply seated mental disturbance throughout society.
I still can't understand why one of these whackos doesn't use his bullets on truly deserving targets - those who caused this massive unending depression many Americans are experiencing
Batman’ Shooter’s Father Was Scheduled to Testify As Whistle-Blower to Senate Over LIBOR ScandalSubmitted by edaquasure on Mon, 07/30/2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=j_fI0hm1dqY
.2 Mass Shootings Connected To Libor
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http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2082835/pg1
The father of Connecticut school shooter Adam Lanza, Peter Lanza, was the tax director for General Electric, a corporation that paid -0- taxes on 14.2 billion dollars in profits last year. According to Fabian4Liberty, Peter Lanza was scheduled to testify in the ongoing global LIBOR scandal. In what could only be described an amazing coincidence, the father of Colorado Batman shooter James Holmes, Robert Holmes, was also a LIBOR witness in his position with FICO. According to the link at FICO, Robert Holmes was a ‘Fraud Scientist’.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_fI0hm1dqY
Sandy Hook Elem: 3 Shooters (A CLOSE LOOK)
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we will see
Here's a pickup from HuffPo:
Peter Lanza Statement
-- Peter Lanza, the father of 20-year-old Adam Lanza, who shot to death his mother in their home and then slaughtered 26 people in an elementary school before killing himself, issued the following statement Saturday:
"Our hearts go out to the families and friends who lost loved ones and to all those who were injured. Our family is grieving along with all those who have been affected by this enormous tragedy. No words can truly express how heartbroken we are. We are in a state of disbelief and trying to find whatever answers we can. We too are asking why. We have cooperated fully with law enforcement and will continue to do so. Like so many of you, we are saddened, but struggling to make sense of what has transpired."
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/12/15/family-of-nancy-lanza-releases-sta...
Family Of Nancy Lanza Releases Statement On Shooting
December 15, 2012 6:46 PM
..." Her brother, Jim Champion, still lives there with his family, and is a well-known police officer in the area.
The family was too distraught to speak publicly, but released a statement through the Sheriff of Rockingham County.
“The family of Nancy Lanza share the grief of a community and a nation as we struggle to comprehend the tremendous loss that we all share. Our hearts and prayers are with those who share in this loss,” the statement read. “On behalf of Nancy’s mother and siblings we reach out to the community of Newtown and express our heartfelt sorrow for the incomprehensible and profound loss of innocence that has affected so many.”"
comment: the use of the word innocence is just wrong,
the word is life. the statement as is communicates
something else entirely, but maybe it is exactly
correct?
"loss of these innocents"
There. Fixed it for him.
Found this posted on Facebook by a 19 year old Aspergers human ('sufferer' what a pathetic descriptor. I don't think Aspergers humans suffer.) who is obviously not a pathetically mindless zombie sheep:
warning ****** if you live in Connecticut
do not read this. **************
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the idea or recognised principle of karma
is foreign to some in the west. the west
likes to think in terms of ends and means,
dubious quality that might be negotiated or
determined at a later date. and god intervening
in decisions of questionable ways and means
if the ends are judged to be beneficial and
penance of some kind is paid.
principles are seen as obstacles to convenient
ways and means. so
when looking at the events of the world the western
mind has a great deal of uncertainty to muddle with.
for example, take the events of this post, the sandyhook
massacre. was it satan or god who orchestrated this
rampage of death on innocent children and their instructors? or was it man and his offspring representing satanic or godly forces or principles?
this is a horrible question to ask so we don't ask it.
we create a disparaging term and dismiss it. we avoid
the introspection and critique of our selves to "move
forward". where is that forward? we don't know or care,
just pick up the pace and move. i say it has to do with
money and debt service as you must know by now.
but as has been pointed out why do we think that
neither satan or god or karma would be active participants when we profit from dead babies and women
in far off places where we do not know or see the
bloodshed but would intervene or console us when the
massacre is at our doorstep?
this too is a horrible question at this time but
it is a horrible question for all time so now is
as good a time as any. so here the questions.
is it god? is it satan? is it man acting on these
principles? is it man acting on his own? is it
the fat tail of individual karma spreading out over
a collective karmic lawn? is it the russians? the
jews and palestinians in concert? the bankers and
the cia mafia? or the aliens creating these events
through mkultra cia zombies to satisfy the media's
need for virgin sacrifices? maybe all of the above
or the consumer ? the judges, the british and the swedes...
but i have my own suspicions.
one thing is i wish, i like that word,
i could stop it all for just a few days
so people could have those days to see
what life could be without the horror of
our collective insanity manifest in time-space.
While we're getting all revved up about this, I'd like to take the space of one post to express condolences to the families of the victims of the Connecticut school killings and to its many traumatized witnesses.
... and do pronounce by me:
Lingering perdition, worse than any deathCan be at once, shall step by step attendYou and your waysShakespeare, Tempest.
Don't be morons, believe me, and not M. Faber or who ever : Where do you think the demand come from ? Ask you that simple question, therefor i'm telling you about LOGIC, not morality or nothing else ! WHERE IS DEMAND COMING FROM ? FORM INCOME ! Hence demand can never grow upon income regarding a single business, and so by recurrence for all private business together ! ONLY Debt can supply lack of aggregated demand, until it isn't any more sustainable.
The fallacy is to believe capitalism can be an equilibrium , it can't. But you think it can, that your unforgivable error. Don't worry, no one cares.
You don't have to ban the guns, the guns are already out there. Just ban the manufacture of the ammo and stop selling primers. Problem solved.
Everything else: If you're determined to have a gun, you get a shotgun and a bolt action rifle. Everything else... just ban it entirely. Death sentences for any crime committed with a gun.
Problem fucking solved.
Disarm the US Cititzens pls. Automatic guns in hands of poor angry people leads to disaster IMO.
Here is a message from the good citizens of the UK regarding their experience of giving up their weapons. Gang members commit much of the US gun-related deaths and injuries. If you have to rely on strength to defend yourself, you may as well just go belly up. During assaults or breakins, a person really is at the mercy of a 911 call if that can even be made.
Watch this clip toward bottom of page.
http://www.secretsofthefed.com/england-warns-america-dont-let-them-take-your-guns-video/
"automatic guns" are already illegal in the US. Please learn the technical terms you are using, so you don't sound so foolish.
Also, if you think my freedom to own a firearm does not exist, than I must say your freedom to express your opinion does not exist either- by the same token.
What are "automatic" guns? Where can one obtain these "automatic" guns?
Oh so poor people should not own guns but the rich politicians and billionaires with their mercenaries should be armed to the teeth?
It's amazing to hear the gun obsessed arguing for a Federally-run national program to screen the behavior of everyone in order to make the country safe for their guns as oppossed to just giving up the guns. Basically trading everything in order to keep a gun. How is that not sick?
Reading the posts I can see quite easily how fucked up america has really become.
No body trusts anybody, so everyone has to have a gun just in case. Talk about a fucked up society. Lousy education system (for the majority of folks), growing income/wealth in equalities, chock full of religious nutbars, people hiding in gated communities, highest incarceration rate in the world, a country borrowing trillions from its only real enemy so it can pay for an overpriced military, guns, guns, guns.......
god is laughing at the stupidity of americans.
seems the 0.1% want our guns in the USA.. they want us in stores and schools and public buildings with gun free zones..all the while they live in gated compounds with well armed goons.. guns for them not for us.
the HSA and TSA are being expanded rapidly as the NWO elites fear the common people ..if they mean us no harm and are doing good for us all,why the FEAR?
many posting here for gun control..see the rare attacks in society by the insane and run right to the NWO elites goal
or are agents for them.
PS many years ago we had in DC a million mom march for gun control..one of the speakers at this event had body guards with MP5's ..my wife was shocked that this noted anti gun spoke person had gun goons, it opened her eyes to the lie.
"Talk about a fucked up society. Lousy education system (for the majority of folks), growing income/wealth in equalities, chock full of religious nutbars, people hiding in gated communities, highest incarceration rate in the world, a country borrowing trillions from its only real enemy so it can pay for an overpriced military, guns, guns, guns" killing children at home and abroad.
If you die when there's no one watching
and your ratings drop and you're forgotten
if they kill you on their TV
you're a martyr and a lamb of god.
Marilyn Manson
At what cost gun rights?
While statistical displays like those informing the article are neutral, dry and, perhaps dull, they serve to illustrate the cost in death and injury of gun rights. I hold the cost in mayhem is ridiculously high. I assert the cost factor, standing alone, is unacceptable to all societies on earth, save one.
The US is an outlier in the way it interprets gun death data. Personally, I side with earth and against the US.
There is an equally significant factor at play here that does not register statistically, but does encompass an enormous cost that, like the stats, is sufficient, standing alone, to warrant gun control and severe limitation on possession of lethal firearms.
The factor is that the emphasis on 2nd amendment rights results in the clear and direct elimination of other basic rights, starting first and foremost with those we hold most dear:
Life, liberty, speech, privacy ( freedom from search and surveillance).
Possession of guns sets up the perfect justification for implementation of police state apparatus to "protect" us from legal and illegal gun totters, alike. This is a broad based restriction. As some gun totters are easier to provoke than are others, we have to be protected from those who might pull out their guns if you say to them something that gives offense, such as "you screwed your daughter" which is the speech that Hamilton uttered against Burr which resulted on the gun duel that Burr won and that Hamilton lost.
Many other present day examples can be found, many of which center precisely on exercise of rights of personal freedom and privacy to go around screwing whosoever will give their informed consent. Then bang, your dead because of jealousy and rage and passion.
The normal response is to search more, lock up more, turn schools into prisons and airports into strip joints, where we are the strippers, with no choice in the matter. The normal response is also to arm oneself and take on the persona if a gun fighter. We go to gun ranges to practice so we can shoot faster and straighter than the next gunslinger.
That is not civilized.
Sandy Hook Elementary already had locked doors and surveillance cameras. It will now likely get bars on windows, guards in hallways and metal detectors, to name some of the apparatus of prisons that will be applied to schools there and everywhere, for "protection" in theory and for loss of freedom, in fact.
So, let it not be forgotten any longer that so called liberty loving gun totters are, in actuality, those who advance the right to carry AK47s in exchange for the almost complete elimination of many other rights that are far more basic and important than the right to be a gunslinger and to have a society based on fear of death if the wrong thing is said , much less done.
No thank you, I do not want my neighbor to decide whether I am threatening him, even if his old lady lures me with her charms.
I do not want to be fearful of the lady down the street who carries a concealed weapon and who takes meds to keep calm.
I do not want to have to think twice about whether something I say will be taken the wrong way.
Gun toting is a prescription for the abrogation of personal freedom and for the reinstitution of the law of the jungle where might makes right and where it is a sound survival tactic to shoot first and ask questions later.
That is uncivilized.
JP posts:
"Personally, I side with earth and against the US. "
you side with an in animate object against humans? then you expect us humans to take your spew as valid?
try this image: you are in a dark parking lot and a gang of thugs with bats comes for you..nah you fear the idiots who lawfully carry a fire arm these gangs and criminals are not real right? your one sick puppy.
Oh, for christ's sake--you people and your "gangs of thugs." Where do you live that gangs of thugs are roaming parking lots with baseball bats? You people watch too much TV and too many freakin' zombie movies. Let's put it this way--I live in the Bronx, nobody has guns, and everyone gets along just fine--black, white, Hispanic, Asian. Nobody, for the overwhelming majority of time, is out there bothering anyone else. You know where all this shit happens? IN THE SUBURBS. Where everyone's isolated in their own little "American Dream," and any perceived intrusion by "others" is immediately met with suspicion, hatred and, nowadays, a gun. Well, HAVE FUN. I'm just happy I live in a place where there's still some sense of community, where people of different races and people who might be considered a little "out there" are tolerated and FORCED to get along for the good of everyone else....
Just because it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean it hasn't happened to others. We have an inallienable right to defend ourselves as we see necessary. It is as inallienable as your right to spew stupid shit! But unlike you do for me with respect to the 2nd amendment, I stand up for your rights with regard to the 1st.
where people of different races and people who might be considered a little "out there"
Oh the Bronx. Yeah based on crime rates it seems like this melting pot does not "get along" as well as you claim.
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ny/bronx/crime/
are tolerated and FORCED to get along for the good of everyone else....
OMG! This is hilarious. Crimes per square mile in the Bronx. 1221! WTF! Yeah a real utopia there. Where I live crimes per square mile per year. 0 to 1.
Seems like the tolerant Bronx has a little gang problem too.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/bad-barbies-bronx-gang-members-bus...
Yeah tolerance and forcing people is a good thing. Who the f*** would want to live in a place where you are FORCED to get a long for the good of everyone else?
Sounds like North Korea.
"Crimes per square mile in the Bronx. 1221! WTF! Yeah a real utopia there. Where I live crimes per square mile per year. 0 to 1."
And yet you carry a gun, and I don't--LOL! That says a lot more about you than it does about me....
The ar15 rifle was found in the car, hence couldn't have been used in the shooting that occurred inside the school. Msm is falsly spinning this that the rifle was used in the shooting. Go figure!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAU9AJfttls&list=PL14Odefia8G-qWAcBRfVfn_...
I think yer wrong, they found a .223 in the car, the AR15 was used to slay the innocent children.
All of the legislation in the world doesn't cure crazy.
You know while this is generally an insane act I don't think people grasp such how large and how many people are in the US. Out of hundreds of millions of people surely there is someone capable of doing this it should be no surprise. You might be able to control guns, but you can't control crazy. Well not with the current technology anyways.
There's really no discussion trying to figure this out. He was fucking nuts, that's all the explanation needed.
IMO im surprised this hasn't happend more often esp in the workplace.
Some say we can solve the problem with gun control. Others (Mike Huckabee) say we can do it by teaching more about God in schools. Everyone is looking for that simple, singular, silver-bullet solution. Apparently, it’s the only kind of solution we can comprehend or tolerate anymore. Ten minutes of our time and ten billion public dollars spent. Problem solved..next.
Let’s add this one to the list of options. Make all bullets out of silver. In five years they will be so valuable no one will ever want to waste one on another human being.
....but life is like google, right? I just click on some shit and I get a result! Legislation is passed to control guns....POOF! All guns are gone and we all crap rainbows and feel warm and fuzzy. You have a greater chance of being killed when receiving medical care than being shot. You want these things to stop? We need a serious conversation about mental health and services. Present solutions on that subject and we may be getting somewhere........
Newtown Shooter Had Asperger Syndrome
Do you think the parents of the children executed by this piece of shit care what made up liberal pycological disorder they give him? Do you think the people executed in Colorados family gies a shit what was alling that piece of shit? Do you think gabrielle Giffords care what tht nightmare suffered from. Nope, none give a shit the fact is that these 3 men killed others and caused misery and they in turn should die, no mental hospital or rehab, Fuck them, take them to the city square and hang them and this bullshit will end.
Guns are not the problem or is positing anything on the internet but those two items will be blamed for this mayhem as people like Obama dnBloomberg want to score points when the fire is hot.
LOL...how is executing the mentally ill going to prevent future mentally ill people from buying guns and doing the same thing?
Newtown Shooter Had Asperger Syndrome
Do you think the parents of the children executed by this piece of shit care what made up liberal psychological disorder they give him? Do you think the people executed in Colorado’s family gives a shit what was ailing that piece of shit? Do you think Gabrielle Gifford’s care what that nightmare suffered from. Nope, none give a shit the fact is that these 3 men killed others and caused misery and they in turn should die no mental hospital or rehab, Fuck them, take them to the city square and hang them and this bullshit will end.
A gun are not the problem or is positing anything on the internet but those two items will be blamed for this mayhem as people like Obama and Bloomberg want to score points when the fire is hot. No guns means no constitution, they will run over the people just as Hugo Chavez has and as the Mexican government has done to their people. Do not lose site of the fact that these were horrifying killings but committed by 3 people when there are 300,000 guns in America and 99.9% of the people are law abiding.
Watch what happens when Guns are banned in Australia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p8RDWltHxRc
Watch what has happened throughout history after a ban on guns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iDivHkQ2GSg#!
Morgan Freeman's take on what happened yesterday :
"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbedpeople who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
this is the same morgan freeman who was
in the "bat man" movie where the youthful
audience was invited to watch the dramatic
and artistically represented destruction
and death of hundreds if not thousands of
people of all ages, citizens of gotham.
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in that movie was he not some sort of
weapons designer or contractor? turn off
the news? i don't know man. it is disgusting
and infuriating but turning off the news
only makes it easier for the villains to
rule the roost. batman wouldn't turn away
from the story. he wouldn't turn off the bat
computer.
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this morning the governor of conn. said the
investigation is not his job and is ongoing
but he already knows the story so let's move
on. what an ass, example of a leader leading
the people nowhere, never asking any important
questions or wanting any answers. an example for
his flock. he said there was only one gun man
and that is all you need to know. the eye witnesses
can now be ignored if they are not intimidated
by his statement and wish to speak out with
contradictory testimony.
he also said the shooter was obviously troubled
so that should explain it well enough. case
closed. the kid was sick in the head and acted
alone. that is the standard model for consumption
even though the actual investigators say it is
an enormous crime scene and cannot make any comment
of substance regarding timeline or motive nor have
they actually publicly ruled out a second shooter
or declared that the suspect in the case is the
actual perpetrator of the crime.
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this stinks and makes the governor look like an
idiot if you ask me. no one asked, i get it.
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i bet morgan freeman knows the story before is
investigated too. he'll probably be in the movie
or do a voice over. don't get me wrong, i love morgan
freeman like everyone else, he is just a little
condescending in this quote. and wrong. contrary
to his belief that depressed and suicidal people
seek fame. it is not so. fame seeking is closer
to money making i suspect, that he should know well.
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i agree that the way the media reports it does not assist
in preventing further similar crimes because they
never ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS OR FOLLOW THE WITNESS
TESTIMONY AND OBSERVATIONS. they just report what
the authorities narrate, the standard model, and
support the misinformation and presumptions until
the public has thoroughly absorbed the story.
this is an art, misinformation and time, repetition
out of the right corners, time, let the mind, unknowing,
fill in the blanks under it's own need for closure;
give it time, give it time and it all just goes poof.
gone, like nothing happened and before you know it
the pharma commercials are back on top for the holidays
and public consumption. move on
Morgan Freeman like Samuel L Jackson and Jamie Foxx are black racists and shills for O. They have gotten very wealthy "acting" in very violent movies. Films that show dozens to hundreds of murders per film. Murder is now glorified in HD.
Now their new angle is Kill Whitey films. Sick along with Tarantino and the Miramax Weinstein brothers. F Hollywood.
well considered points blindman, as usual from you. . .
I think I fall in between what you and MorganF are saying - I think the massive attention paid to mass shooters, which so far tend to be dis-enfranchised males, irrespective of the "emotion" attributed (anger, despair, depression) does indeed lend to the choice to kill in order to be killed ("suicide by cop" or whatever the meme is).
what they all seem to have in common is a deep-seated anger, and that is building up pressure now in the culture, so I expect more of the same, and competitive methods as well - bigger, better killings to come.
in despair one can take their own life. taking another life with you? that's anger. taking the lives of children? that's a message. . .
“..Guns were her hobby,” Dan Holmes, who got to know Lanza while doing landscaping work for her, told The Washington Post. “She told me she liked the single-mindedness of shooting.” …
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so said mr. dan holmes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/nancy-lanza-mother-of-gunman-pr...
Nancy Lanza, Mother Of Newtown Gunman, A Quiet Woman, ‘Guns Were Her Hobby’
By ADAM GELLER 12/16/12 08:41
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the message, i agree, is the thing or a big
part of the unspeakable thing here.
john cale "gun". "when you've begun to think like a
gun, the days of the year have suddenly gone."
he said it straight.
and notice the holmes name too. best to you c.a..
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http://maxkeiser.com/2012/12/17/mass-shootings-connected-to-libor-scandal/
I would like to know 1) if all these young mass killers we on medication and if so 2) what those meds were? Big pharma pumping psychotropic drugs into our youth as a supposed cure for everything from ADD to depression to compulsive behavior. We never hear whether they were on meds and whether those meds could have in part caused their behavior.
http://www.ssristories.com/index.php
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School Shooting Prozac WITHDRAWAL 2008-02-15 Illinois
....etc.
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The drugging of our children and Adam Lanza
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/15/1170258/--He-was-on-medication#
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If you are interested in more information about the potential links between violent
behavior, reality detachment and psychotropics watch the documentary "The Drugging
of Our Children". watch at above link.
Why the accident statistics? Why are they relevent to this event?
to point out that guns are involved in
relatively few mortality and morbidity events
in the population. perspective.
The gun-control issue notwithstanding, you have to begin at the begining here. It has been reported that Adam's mother took him out of Sandy Hook School in first or second grade due to his inability to socialize and learn well in the classroom situation. She home-schooled him until high school. You can just imagine how those high school years went for a boy with his disability.
Perhaps his mother saw target practice as a way for him to deal with his unresolved anger issues and possibly her own as well. What we all know now, at least, is that was absolutely the WORST way to deal with any anger issues. She should have taken up skiing or fishing with her sons, and BTW where was the father in the life of his special needs child?
It is becoming an apparent fact that not all special needs children should be "mainstreamed", especially in situations where those children are apt to be bullied or ostrasized with resultant anger issues.
Reducing the Sandy Hook School tragedy simply to a gun-control issue is putting the cart before the horse.
perhaps no children should be "mainstreamed" if it can be helped.
schools are for creating citizen drones, and the children in the schools are well known for bullying each other as they practice "adulthood" as they see it. . .
up voted for a thoughtful post.
Eyewitness Account Of Second Shooter At Sandy Hook Elementary (Video)
Sunday, December 16, 2012 6:58
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http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/12/eyewitness-account-of-secon...
This kid probably could not tie his shoes. In the end - he would have chickened out killing himself. Too many children died for it to have been one shooter. The media will make sure this does not get out. This eyewitness will be in danger now.
This is the latest from Fleet Street and a MUST-read!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248983/Connecticut-school-shooting-Adam-Lanzas-survivalist-mother-obsessed-guns.html
Although Fleet Street has been known to exaggerate from time to time, if even half of this is true, it is literally a spear in the heart of the Tea Party! - and, not coincidentally, possibly VERY good in terms of our reaching agreement on the Fiscal Cliff and other issues faster than expected and in a subdued, chastened National mood.
The only thing that might be better would be if Adam Lanza had autographed photos of Grover Norquist and Paul Ryan on his bedside table - or was a secret illegitimate grandchild of one of the Koch Brothers - Alas, not likely.
Grover Norquist is a known Islamist shill and Saudi Arabia stooge. Ryan is a RINO.
The propaganda spin is in full force to grab the guns. Murdoch, Bloomberg, hollywood, O and all the rest with the media.
Screw the media. Bring it. It sure looks like there was a second and possibly third shooter. Eyewitnesses saw a second man. This happened too way fast for this kid to be the shooter.
Adam Lanza probably could not tie his shoes. What is this weird connection between the Colorado shooter's dad, Lanza's dad and the LIBOR investigation?
Too many weird conincidences. Like Poppy being friends with Hinckley's dad and NWO Poppy hating Reagan. Or the nanny of the CNBC top exec goes crazy and kills his kids and herself.
http://beforeitsnews.com/economics-and-politics/2012/12/2-mass-shootings...
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/12/shooters-re-married-father-...
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/12/gorbachev-still-propagating...
Multiple shooters, police radio recording. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_fI0hm1dqY&list=FLHE92x768p8h-fMrqhsnE1Q&index=5
Sorry, no more free 9/11's.
I am a seeker of TRUTH sharing it with others. Sometimes truth frightens people which is not my intent. My intent is for everyone to claim their own power through knowledge! Everyone has untapped Energy within themselves and truth channeled into LOVE for each other and all things can change our world, we do have the Power on our side! We ARE the Power together and able to change it all through LOVE and LIGHT! Yesterday I did post my Prayers and Love towards all affected by the Sandy Hook Elementary school shooting of beautiful innocent children.
Today, I have many questions about it. As time is going by more and more is not adding up nor making sense with the shooting story. I am not talking “conspiracies” per se here, I am writing about the facts that were reported and now are changed or there is silence about. It did just happen a little over 24 hours ago. So I know there is a lot more to be found out.
I am going to list those things reported and then backtracked or silence on as if it was never mentioned: Then take them one by one and discuss it and show the “proof” and story change.First lets discuss the 2nd shooter that has now been erased and not mentioned from the media. The police have never clarified who it was they caught in the woods either. We know it did in fact happen due to the police radio that is embedded below.
2nd shooter – here are the reports and facts about a second shooter from the police!
Washington Post: Possible Second shooter in custody
Police confirm: Dead body in Hoboken New Jersey at home there.
First lets discuss the 2nd shooter that has now been erased and not mentioned from the media. The police have never clarified who it was they caught in the woods either. We know it did in fact happen due to the police radio that is embedded below.
2nd shooter – here are the reports and facts about a second shooter from the police!
Washington Post: Possible Second shooter in custody
oh look, an article full of statistics.
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Find the people who produced the fantasy spectacle of the 'mass shooting' , and find those who perpetrated the fraud through the media, and shoot them dead. that is self defence. but more importantly , it is Community Defence. and National Defence. and given the global gulliblity, World Defence.
I will recant, retract, and apologise when i see the COLD DEAD BODIES.
K.
After 9-11, the Govt. spent money on shoring up security at airports, on planes with air marshalls, at ports, first responders got attention, they created a great big new agency TSA, Homeland Security, they passed the Patriot Act, they did everything they could to protect that which would bring in a DOLLAR, but they did nothing to shore up the security of soft targets ie...schools. I've heard very little about schools having proper security. How many drones did they put in the air? Could they not have put some money towards having atleast one armed plainclothes cop at each school? There was enough money to keep Gitmo open and continue the war in afghanistan, but not enough money to arm one cop at each school? Where is the sense of proportion, where is the sanity?
"After 9-11, the Govt. spent money on shoring up security at airports, on planes with air marshalls, at ports, first responders got attention, they created a great big new agency TSA, Homeland Security, they passed the Patriot Act, they did everything they could to protect that which would bring in a DOLLAR, but they did nothing to shore up the security of soft targets ie...schools. I've heard very little about schools having proper security. How many drones did they put in the air? Could they not have put some money towards having atleast one armed plainclothes cop at each school? There was enough money to keep Gitmo open and continue the war in afghanistan, but not enough money to arm one cop at each school? Where is the sense of proportion, where is the sanity? "
The above is a perfect illustration of a point made earlier.
The post presupposes further restriction on all rights to freedom and privacy, including, apparently, greater use of drones, as the solution to gunslinger mayhem.
It bears repeating, even at the risk of disproportionate down arrow margins, that 2nd amendment rights are not superior to other rights, like those of the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments. Yet, in the quoted post, we are advised that we have not done the "sane" thing of abrogating all those rights and have not put enough drones in the skies above schools.
Really, bitchez?