Guest Post: Hey You

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform,

Hey you, out there on the road
always doing what you’re told,
Can you help me?
Hey you, out there beyond the wall,
Breaking bottles in the hall,
Can you help me?
Hey you, don’t tell me there’s no hope at all
Together we stand, divided we fall.

Pink Floyd – Hey You


“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” Aldous Huxley – Brave New World

The world makes less sense every day. Little children are randomly slaughtered in their schoolrooms. Predator drones roam the skies over foreign countries exterminating bad guys, along with innocent women and children (collateral damage when it occurs in a foreign country). Drugged up mentally ill kids with no hope and no future live lives of secluded quiet desperation until they snap. Ignorant, government educated, welfare dependent drones with no self respect or respect for others, assault, kill and rob within their government created urban jungles. Sociopathic criminals who committed the largest financial crime in world history walk free and continue to occupy executive suites in luxury office towers in downtown NYC, collecting millions in bonuses as compensation for crushing the American middle class.  Academics, whose theories have been thoroughly disproven, continue to steer our economy into an iceberg while accelerating the money printing and debt issuance that will sink our ship of state. Corrupt, bought off politicians pander to the lowest common denominator as their votes are only dependent upon who contributed the most to their election campaigns, which never end. Delusional, materialistic, egocentric, math challenged consumers (formerly known as citizens) live for today, enslave themselves in debt, vote themselves more entitlements, and care not for future generations. The alienation and isolation created by our sprawling, automobile dependent, technology obsessed, government controlled, debt financed society has spread like a cancerous tumor, slowly killing our country.

Pink Floyd released The Wall 33 years ago. It was a concept rock opera album that explored the issues of ababdonment, isolation, alienation, authoritarianism, the brutality of war, a tyrannical conformist educational system, and the walls individuals and society build to protect themselves from having to confront reality and deal with the consequences of their actions. I attended the Roger Waters Wall Concert this past summer at Citizens Bank Park with my three sons. Three decades later, the message is more powerful than ever. The government oppression and never ending wars waged by the American Empire around the world have created a society built upon fear and loathing. Roger Waters’ vision is colored by Orwell’s 1984 dystopian nightmare of lies, misinformation, propaganda and brutality. The missing piece, which Waters didn’t see coming in 1979, was the ability of the oligarchs to use their control of the credit system to entrap the masses by convincing them to love their servitude and become so consumed with material possessions and the love of money that they would become nothing more than passive egotistical consumers.

Since 1979, Total Credit Market Debt in the United States has risen from $4.3 trillion to $55.3 trillion, a 1,286% increase in 33 years. Over this same time frame total wages and salaries have risen from $1.3 trillion to $6.9 trillion, a 531% increase. GDP has grown from $2.6 trillion to $15.8 trillion, a 608% increase. Luckily for the oligarchs, the math challenged masses don’t understand that 375% of the increase in GDP is strictly due to Federal Reserve created inflation, as the U.S. dollar has lost 68% of its purchasing power since 1979. This GDP growth was driven by debt, with consumer expenditures rising from 61% of GDP in 1979 to 71% of GDP today. In the one hundred years since the creation of the Federal Reserve the country’s population has tripled, while our public debt and unfunded liabilites have risen from $2 billion to over $200 trillion, a ten million percent increase. The masses have been programmed and conditioned to love their debt servitude and yearn for more debt to fix an economic system that collapsed due to excessive debt. The cadre of ruling elite are obliging by creating debt at hyperspeed levels. The corporate media, Wall Street shysters and low-life captured politicians assure the sheep-like masses that this is normal and beneficial to their interests, as the sheep are sheared and led to slaughter.               

“There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them.”George Orwell


Pavlov’s Dogs


 “And always, everywhere, there would be the yelling or quietly authoritative hypnotists; and in the train of the ruling suggestion givers, always everywhere, the tribes of buffoons and hucksters, the professional liars, the purveyors of entertaining irrelevances. Conditioned from the cradle, unceasingly distracted, mesmerized systematically, their uniformed victims would go on obediently marching and countermarching, go on, always and everywhere, killing and dying with the perfect docility of trained poodles.” -  Aldous Huxley

Aldous Huxley and Edward Bernays realized in the 1920s that the utilization of conditioning and propaganda techniques could be used to control and manipulate the masses. Ivan Pavlov, the famous Russian physiologist, conducted the ground breaking work on conditional reflexes. Pavlov discovered that when a bell was rung in subsequent time with food being presented to a dog in consecutive sequences, the dog will initially salivate when the food is presented. The dog will later come to associate the ringing of the bell with the presentation of the food and salivate upon the ringing of the bell. To a critical thinking human being who questions authority, resists being told what they should think, and values their humanity, over what is crammed down their throat by government run schools and the corporate controlled media, the thought of being treated like a dog is revolting. But to people like Edward Bernays, who believed manipulation of the masses by an invisible contingent of intellectually superior men, conditioning the minds of the masses through propaganda was a necessity in a democratic society to keep the herd under control.

Just a cursory examination of our society reveals a population of salivating consumers (dogs) who can be stimulated to buy the latest iPhone or techno-gadget with a simple Madison Avenue advertising campaign (bell). Everyone has seen the videos of the masses lining up like cattle on Black Friday, stampeding through aisles, and fighting each other like their the entertainment at Michael Vick’s house on a Saturday night. All the mega-corporate retailers and the corporate media have to do is ring a bell (SALE) and the dogs start salivating. Product placement, Hollywood star endorsements and influential people using a product immediately convince the easily manipulated dogs to salivate and purchase the products. The difference is that these dogs have credit cards issued by the Wall Street banks and funded by the Federal Reserve with dollars created out of thin air.  We are inundated with millions of TV, newspaper, radio, billboard, and internet advertisements designed to make us salivate (spend). Huxley’s dystopian vision of a society whose economic values, in which individual happiness is defined as the ability to satisfy needs, and achievement as a society is equated with economic growth and prosperity, has come to full fruition. He never conceived of consumers having the ability to consume without even having the money to do so. The credit card became our form of Soma. The so called progressives point to our ever increasing “advancements” in technology as proof that our society is progressing. Huxley knew otherwise, decades before we reached this disgusting point in history:

“Technological progress has merely provided us with more efficient means for going backwards.” -  Aldous Huxley

In reality our “technological progress” has done nothing more than create a humorless, shallow, superficial world of alienation and egocentric desires. Just as in Huxley’s Brave New World, science and technology have not been used to seek truth and advance our culture. They have been used by the State to sensor, control, and monitor the citizens. They use technology as a means to create electronic entertainment machines that generate both harmless leisure and the high levels of consumption and production that are the basis of societal stability and state designed happiness. When those in control talk about progress, they mean greater control over our lives. When the consumption of material goods isn’t enough to fill the holes within our souls, our owners are quick to prescribe a pill to smooth over those feelings of unease and discontent. In Huxley’s novel the population voluntarily consumes Soma to dispel any anxieties or negative emotion. The saying was, “One cubic centimeter cures ten gloomy sentiments.” In America the government controlled drug industry has thousands of pills to treat every ailment or unhappy thought that might ail you. Just don’t try and treat yourself with an unapproved natural or banned substance. The threat of imprisonment always lurks in the shadows. They just want us to be interchangeable bricks in the wall.

And the Worms Ate Into His Brain

“The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does. They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted.” -  Aldous Huxley


 Hey you, out there in the cold
Getting lonely, getting old
Can you feel me?
Hey you, standing in the aisles
With itchy feet and fading smiles
Can you feel me?
Hey you, don’t help them to bury the light
Don’t give in without a fight.

Pink Floyd – Hey You

The tragic deaths of twenty children and six adults in Newtown, Connecticut this past week and the similar tragedies in Aurora, Columbine, Virginia Tech and Tucson are a reflection of the twisted society we’ve created. The progressive control freak do-gooders that believe the government can solve all problems and improve our lives with another law or regulation, have as usual come to the wrong solution for the wrong problem. Stricter gun control laws would not have averted this this tragedy. Connecticut has the 5th toughest gun restrictions in the country according to the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. The guns were purchased legally by the mother of the killer. Mentally deranged people should not have access to guns, knives, automobiles, gasoline, or baseball bats. The real issue is not what he used to kill these innocent people, it’s what caused him to snap. Those in power want to divert the attention from this crucial question. In Huxley’s novel the characters do everything they can to avoid confronting the truth about their own lives. They try to alter reality by ingesting Soma, encouraged by the state as the ultimate form of willful self-delusion. Soma clouds the realities of the present and replaces them with happy hallucinations, and is thus a tool for promoting social stability. America has taken Huxley’s dystopian vision to an extreme. There are millions of children in this country being drugged on a daily basis to keep them under control. A majority of the mass murderers were taking psychotropic drugs, including the mentally deranged killer this week. These killings are a result of the state sponsored drugging of children, a culture that promotes narcissism, broken families and our technologically enhanced suburban sprawl isolation from human relationships, love and compassion for others.

We glorify technology even though it encourages the building of brick walls, creating a self-imposed isolation from society. The traditional family unit has been discarded, with 50% of marriages ending in divorce and 43% of all children born out of wedlock. Millions of families are dysfunctional, with parents too busy with their careers and acquiring material possessions, to bother with raising their children in a loving nurturing way. One in ten American adults choose to escape their man made cells with prescription anti-depressants. Almost one in four women in their 40s and 50s are popping pills to escape their depressing lives. Huxley envisioned a Soma Nation. America is a Prozac Nation. The wealthy think medicating their kids, spoiling them with toys, gadgets and cars, and occupying their days with organized sports and activities passes for involved parenting. Poor urban children are lucky if they ever lay eyes on their father. Ignorance, violence, and dependency are a given for most of these kids. And all of these children are matriculated into the government run schools whose sole purpose is to teach kids what to think, rather than how to think. Our owners need to keep us “happy” and focused on feelings, material possessions, and an infinite number of distractions, so they can retain control and continue their pillaging of the national wealth.       

Our leaders have attempted to design their own Brave New World, retaining control by making America’s citizens so contented and superficially fulfilled that they no longer care about their personal freedoms, liberties and civic responsibilities. The consequences of increasing state power are a loss of dignity, morals, values, and emotions. We are losing our humanity. The society created by Bernays and his minions who occupy the executive suites in NYC and slither through the halls of Congress has been built upon destroying all human truths, such as love, friendship, community, and personal connections. Decades of media propaganda, public education mind control, and peddling of debt convinced the majority that happiness meant immediate gratification of our desires for food, sex, drugs, clothes, iGadgets, and all the other consumer crap made in corporate sponsored slave labor factories across Asia. These delusional hallucinations of happiness are the prison walls we’ve built brick by brick.

 “This concern with the basic condition of freedom — the absence of physical constraint — is unquestionably necessary, but is not all that is necessary. It is perfectly possible for a man to be out of prison and yet not free — to be under no physical constraint and yet to be a psychological captive, compelled to think, feel and act as the representatives of the national State, or of some private interest within the nation, want him to think, feel and act.” -  Aldous Huxley

It took the intellectuals and progressives that wield power across the land only moments to hijack the feelings of sorrow and pain sweeping the nation, to misdirect attention from the mental illnesses caused by the society they’ve created, towards the false storyline that gun violence is sweeping the land. In reality, violent crime has been falling for over a decade as gun sales have soared. The homicide rate in this country is the lowest since 1964, with the vast majority of homicides occurring in the urban kill zones created by the five decade long progressive war on poverty. The truth is of no interest to those brandishing power. After decades of conditioning, the masses are psychologically captive to the messages designed to make them salivate. They will be compelled to think, feel and act as instructed by the Alphas. There will be calls for more police, despite the fact that police rarely stop a crime. With all of their armaments, technology, high powered weaponry, and political clout, they can be counted on to arrive five minutes after the tragedy is over. But they are brilliant in luring clueless Muslim teenagers into terrorist plots, picking the target, providing the fake bombs, and taking credit for foiling the plots they created. More union police officers will increase our safety as much as more union teachers have made our kids smarter. This tragedy will be used by the propagandists to impose further restrictions upon those who choose personal responsibility and self-reliance over dependency and trust in the efficiency and fairness of our benevolent government overlords.

 File:Violent Crime Rates in the United States.svg

As the father of three sons I can’t imagine the pain, sorrow and emptiness the parents of these beautiful children must be experiencing. The grief is overwhelming. I mourn for the children and adults slaughtered by a mentally deranged young man created by our truly perverted culture of alienation. I mourn for the children being raised in a society run by evil psychopathic liars that use the power of propaganda and the tools of debt to control and manipulate its citizens. I mourn for unborn generations that will be forced to confront the dreadful depraved chaos created by our culture of egocentric greed and narcissism. The things we value in this culture – accumulating wealth, outward beauty, acquisition of material possessions, instant gratification, access to debt, government control, and curing our ills with drugs – are driving us insane. Who is really abnormal in a profoundly abnormal society? Believing that possessions, more laws or another medication will truly make us happy is insane. Popping a pill, buying a new iPhone, or passing another law will not cure the disease that permeates this nation. We need to recapture the humanity, civic pride and self-responsibility that built this country. Only an awakened populace can change our course.

Huxley feared that our desires would ruin us. Orwell was afraid that what we fear would ruin us. The oligarchs have pushed the Huxley vision to its sustainable limit. The avarice and greed of these invisible power brokers has devoured the vast resources of the nation. These psychopaths weren’t satisfied with siphoning off most of the wealth of the country. They wanted it all and wrecked the global economy in their odious pursuit of mammon. We are now in the death throes of the most decadent, delusional, debt engendered era in the long history of mankind. Those in power realize it is slipping away. Their “solutions” reflect an air of desperation. Their propaganda efforts have been redoubled. As more middle class workers lose their jobs, more young people graduate from college with tens of thousands in student loan debt and a future of dramatically reduced expectations, and more people are driven beyond their breaking point, this materialistic shroud of happiness will be torn asunder. Anger is building like a lava dome within a volcano. A critical thinking minority are questioning the motives of those in power. The unsustainability of our economic paradigm is certain. The seeds of revolution are being sown. Our society is only fantasy. The wall is too high. It will be up to an irate tireless minority of freedom minded citizens to tear down the wall. The alternative is to allow the worms to eat into our brains. Each of us must answer a simple question. Are you just another brick in the wall?

But it was only fantasy.
The wall was too high,
As you can see.
No matter how he tried,
He could not break free.
And the worms ate into his brain.

Pink Floyd – Hey You


The oligarchs will not give up without a fight. Their realization that the Brave New World method of controlling the masses has run its course has convinced them to shift their methods towards Orwell’s 1984 tactics. In part two of this series – Mother Should I Trust the Government? - I’ll address how the use of fear, war, pain, and surveillance are becoming the new controlling method of the oligarchs.

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fonzannoon's picture

If she had 10 mil and the economy implodes then supply lines get shut down and she loses access to almost everything she needs. If her 10 mil is in a bank that fails and the collapse is the real deal then she probably is screwed there too. Get that into your head.

"And besides how do we know she didn't already have the house on 20 acres in Montana? Paid for in cash? With 5 years of MREs in a 2,000 sq ft underground den, a vault with enough gold bullion to buy Greece, the underground tank with 60,000 gallons of diesel, 3 generators, hydroponics and greenhouses, and a 20 foot tall 20 foot deep electric fence?"

Maybe she does have all that. That means she was pretty well prepared. You seem to be ripping her for preparing at all under the assumption that she had a lot of money. If so then I revert back to my above point.

"Maybe she was just packing up to bug out when her kid popped her in the head."

Maybe so. My whole point is she seems to have done a shit job of keeping those weapons away from a kid who she knew had some seriously bad intent (if any of this is true to begin with).

But just because someone has some coin does not make them stupid to prepare. It makes them the opposite.

"He who wears a smile for an umbrella gets his ass soaking wet."

cougar_w's picture

Rich people don't think like you and I do. They are from another planet where bad shit never happens. Doesn't mean they are right of course, but that's how they think and so that's how they act. So no, I don't expect rich people to give a rat's ass about survival or set aside anything for that eventuality. They plan on having no issues to start with. And if it gets awkward at some point they load into someone's private 200 foot yacht tool across the Atlantic smoking pot to wait out the next 50 years enjoying the booze and free sex in Ibiza.

Seriously. That's their solution.

They just don't care. And then they aren't staying around to get caught. Anyone with a lot of money planning or pretending to be ready to tough it out is playing games.

fonzannoon's picture

How you can paint everyone with one brush like that is amazing to me.

Flakmeister's picture

You obviously have never met many rich people....

Try working on Wall St. for a while....

fonzannoon's picture

Every rich person works on Wall Street.... You get dumber by the minute. 

fonzannoon's picture

Every rich person works on Wall Street.... You get dumber by the minute. 

double post because you are double stupid.

Flakmeister's picture

Did you fail syllogism construction when you went to school? It sure seems like it...

centerline's picture

Flak - You are so off course here that you are just looking like someone with an axe to grind.  You are just making a fool of yourself.

Flakmeister's picture

Someone with an axe to grind? Sounds like every fucking poster here...

And I am curious as what course you think I am on?

I am just pointing out the obvious, what happened is a reflection of our society's values and the price that comes with it...Whats the matter, 'fraid to look in the mirror?

Like I just said, the mother gets my vote for the 2012 Darwin Award...

Spastica Rex's picture

Maybe it's just ironic, dontcha think?

fonzannoon's picture

Thanks spastica. I was hoping he would get there on his own....

Spastica Rex's picture

Like rain on your wedding day.

Actually, I have a a sardonic side, as well. Sometimes I laugh becasue I'm tired of crying.

francis_sawyer's picture

At least you know how to properly use the word 'sardonic' in text...

centerline's picture

I guess that is my word for the day.  I learned something.  Time to quit while I am ahead I suppose.

Bicycle Repairman's picture

For the Alanis Morrisette reference I gave you a red.

Alanis Morrisette?  Really?

francis_sawyer's picture

Who the fuck is that?... 'Alanis'???... Is that a chick or a dude?... or, like, a lost continent or something...

Creepy Lurker's picture

Strangely enough, my husband likes her too. I find her having male fans quite ironic.

That girl's got issues.

Spastica Rex's picture

I liked her when she was a little girl and got green slime pored on her head.

It was an ironic reference, like when I wear my Glen Campbell t-shirt.

Raymond Reason's picture

Thanks for helping make that possible, flake. 

SAT 800's picture

We're a little out practice with the dead kids thing; at the time of the signing of the Constitution; 3 out of 5 of them died before they were five years old. And Childbirth was the great killer of human females. Dead kids used to be pretty routine, actually.

mendolover's picture

We don't know her, but I am beginning to see how she made a horrible misjudgement.

A Lunatic's picture

We see what we are told to see by the MSM. We don't know shit.

Bay of Pigs's picture

How can we believe the official story as it changes by the hour/day? The MSM is of little help on anything these days.


gmrpeabody's picture

I imagine they are debating the best way to spin it....

nmewn's picture

Very true.

It went from the rifle was in the back seat and not used to the rifle was what was used in the span of 24hrs.

I even got sucked in by him having to be buzzed they're saying he broke (probably shot through) the glass in the door or beside the door.

What I find interesting now is, the killers Mom was pulling down 325k in alimony. She could have gotten whatever "help" she or they (the father) wanted for this little psycho...up to and including institutionalizing him.

But obviously, didn't...or did they?

I want to know what his medications were.

francis_sawyer's picture

Fuck the medications... I wan't to know... If she was a PREPPER pulling down $325k joobux a month in alimony... WHERE IS THE GOLD STASHED?...

tickhound's picture

Dated a girl a while back who, let's just say, was a bit anxious at times.  After she got a new job (KPMG of all shitholes), she started drinking nightly, at first just to go to bed.  It got pretty bad.

SO, her nurse step-mother who like to say, "No one should ever be in pain in this day and age" had her checked out.

LEXAPRO to the rescue.  At first, I'll admit, things changed for the "better"... happier, stopped drinking (as much), etc.  Then one night she freaking snapped breaking shit all over the apartment, cut her hand open punching the medicine cabinet... HOLY SHIT time for me.

It wasn't my "worldview" to blame cuz, back then, the system still like me.

She now works for her dad. 

francis_sawyer's picture

Bitchez bitchez...


Shoulda prolly stuck with LEXAMATEUR...

nmewn's picture

Sounds like you had some first hand experience with

I'm serious though, there is something goin on with these fuckers goin off the rails here lately.

This Holmes guy out in Colorado was seeing a shrink at the university, so he was a known moonbat. He drove by other movie theaters (showing the very same movie) to go to a theater that has the big decal on the entrance door saying NO FIREARMS ALLOWED. Rigged his own damned apartment to blow up as well figuring he would die. 

That takes a lot of preparation, thinking clearly enough to go through contingencies, money...and time.

This one recently, doesn't bug me near as much as the one in Aurora...there's something more to that one than some little punk wanting his ten minutes of infamy.

Raymond Reason's picture

As far as i'm concerned, all of these public sacrifices are black ops, until proven otherwise.  The burden of proof is on them. 

Cosimo de Medici's picture

Two things remind me how fucked up our species is, and may have always been.  One is this horrific slaughter in Newtown.  The other is comments such as yours and the vote count associated with it.  Madness and moonbats all around.  It makes a guy wish those chemtrails were actually real and they contained vaporized valium.

Oh, and no links please.  Those who advocate tossing out their TVs should do the same with their internet connection, if freedom from bullshit is a genuine goal.

Shit happens.  Randomness.  Poor quality control at the factory of the "Supreme" Being.  You are so uncomfortable with disorder that you find it preferable to believe in a malevolent string puller, accepting all the bile and mad anger that naturally comes with it.

Raymond Reason's picture

We all live by faith, Cosimo, whether we admit it or not. 

RallyRoundTheFamily's picture

It is a natural reaction when you are lied to continuously by those who say "Trust us"

Ignatius's picture


This is the media trick:  get people to have strong opinions about things they know little or nothing about.

A Lunatic's picture

The MSM intentionally throws so much disinformation out there that the facts are simply unknowable and mostly irrelevant once 800 million water-cooler discussions are had by armchair psychiatrists in the court of public opinion. When you publicly call someone a child molester, for example, all the retraction in the world won't fix the reputation of the injured party.

fuu's picture

"That woman never should have made those weapons available to her unstable son."

Yes how dare she get murdered by her son who then used his booty to kill others. Stupid woman.


fonzannoon's picture

She got murdered because (apparently) she made access to those weapons fairly easy. Unless I am wrong about that. Which is possible.

falak pema's picture

by her can't hedge against that...the irony is that while she was stocking up to ward off that crazy criminal world outside, she was blind to her own paranoia making her son even more so in her own image...sow as you reap.

Yes, supreme irony. Now do you get it? 

She was made to be a very normal person in a very normal, super safe, cosy, upper middle class US suburban wealthy town. 

Dring dring dring...It must be the birds like in Hitchock's film that are spreading the disease. We have to find an alien source. 

We are our own enemies when we go round the bend, but we keep shooting the birds; the others...if this goes viral people will be looking under their beds. And Orson Welles will be back on that radio. 


fonzannoon's picture

Irony is not necessarily funny. He seemed to truly find this funny. That is disturning. The ironly of the situation is hard to miss.

francis_sawyer's picture

Y'all are totally missing the point... If she was a 'prepper' then she had a gold stash... So ~ are you going to tell me that her kid took a boating trip before he hit up the school?... This is an important missing detail...

centerline's picture

Damn falak, you are drawing conclusions that you can't based on the lack of information.  You could be right, but it's pure speculation.  Shit, your practically calling Mormons sick... and many of those folks have it together better than most.

How about he was a sick child who just might have been ignored over and over when he really needed help.  Rather than paranoia, neglect.  Or maybe for a good portion of her life she was just angry that he was different.  Maybe blind or unwilling to accept he was different combined with neglect or anger.  Man... you never know until you get the whole story.  And even then it is second hand.  Of course, we will never get the real story.

fuu's picture

Well did she or did she not? What you don't know? Just what you read somewhere or other I'm sure. Oh well thanks for sharing that unsubstantiated claim, we couldn't have had a conversation without it.

It occurred to me that you were pretty good with guns during the hurricane, so I went back and found a couple quotes for you:

"i don't see any bankers wandering around with chardonnay. if i do i have a few mossbergs laying around."

"I have no power. At a frends place. Sending my wife and daughter away tomorrow if no power back. Already spoke to two neighbors that have guns (many). We will start a neighborhood watch prob tomorrow night. I am not fkin around. If I see someone near my house they get one chance to identify themselves. Then it's over. I am an insomniac and am less than cordial late at night."

"It's funny. I mentioned it to some neighbors today. Even the guys with the guns. They still think I am an alarmist. They are too stupid to see shit right in front of their faces."

"That is on my list Doc. The gun thing took me a while to warm up to. I bought a 12 gauge mossberg a while back. For me that was a big deal."

So you got your Mossberg locked away in the gun cabinet and you go to sleep for the night. At 3 am little Fonzi Jr gets your cabinet key and gets the Mossberg out. He loads it up and blows your ass away while you are sleeping.

I wonder if that will absolve your kid of his crime, or be used to paint every gun owner as a complicit criminal, or if random people will regurgitate little fonzannoon factoids they run across in random locations. I wonder if they will bother to do any investigation of their own first.

fonzannoon's picture

Hey FUU how many times did I use the word "allegedly". Since you went back and found my quotes do me a favor and go back on this thread and count em.

You found some quotes from me during the storm when there were home invasions and looting taking place blocks away from me? So fuckin what? What does that have to do with anything?

To answer your question if you wake up one day and read that my 20 year old medically induced son that had no emotional capability and was prone to sit alone in my house and play violent video games....and I had expressed to people that I was aware that he was dangerous.....gets my weapon and shoots me with it...with my can certainly sit there and say "well if all that is true....that is really ironic!".

By the way, where did I say she was a criminal? I said "It seems" she was sloppy and allowed her son access to these weapons. Try to be accurate and don't put words in my mouth.

But since we can't really substantiate anything, ever, completely. Let's talk about nothing.

Here is some help for you.

"I think her son suffered from a medical condition that rendered him unable to feel pain or emotion (allegedly). He (allegedly) spent years playing those disturbing video games alone in his house. I read something earlier (allegedly) from someone who used to babysit the kid, claiming he was told to "never, ever, turn yur back on him....don't even go to the bathroom".

If that is true....and I have no idea if it is....I can't understand why she would teach him to use those weapons and keep them in his vicinity. She (allegedly) feared an economic collapse, which I suppose would lead to a collapse in the social fabric.....all the while her son was a manifestation of that and she gave him the tools he needed. I see the Irony. But it ain't funny."

fuu's picture

Your (allegedly) post was 40 minutes after: "That woman never should have made those weapons available to her unstable son"

22 minutes after: "She got murdered because (apparently) she made access to those weapons fairly easy"

27 minutes after: "most mentally disturbed people out there are the ones most prepared" post.

So once.

Also, I never asked you a question.


fonzannoon's picture

All three of the posts you refer to are me trying to figure out what is funny about all this.

 "I wonder if that will absolve your kid of his crime, or be used to paint every gun owner as a complicit criminal, or if random people will regurgitate little fonzannoon factoids they run across in random locations. I wonder if they will bother to do any investigation of their own first."

You asked a question and your whole post was directed at me. So I answered it for you.

From the author: "The guns were purchased legally by the mother of the killer. Mentally deranged people should not have access to guns, knives, automobiles, gasoline, or baseball bats"

He is making the inference that the mother made the access available. The rest of us were just working off the post. I think I made it as clear as I could throughout all my posts that no one really knows anything. You are just picking at something that is not there.

Since we are nitpicking...where did I say she was a criminal?

fuu's picture

Are you secretly Flakmeister's fluffer?

Flak was using this story to paint all preppers with a broad brush. He was being a douchebag, it's what he does.

Instead of just calling him out on his douchbaggery you went ahead and spewed forth a whole load of shit including that old cannard, VIDEO GAMES!

You made sure you called cougar_w out for her broad brush, but not Flak.

Oh I see, the bullshit article made you do it.


fonzannoon's picture

Flake was being a douchebag by implying this was funny in some way. I know Flake is a total troll trying to instigate.  Couger blew me away because I did not think he/she would paint everyone like that. But more interestingly the self assuredness he/she used to do it. Shit just the other day I gave him/hercredit for putting on here what I thought was the best post ever on ZH. This time I thought he/she was wrong so I said so. People have done it to me plenty of times. I can take it. I figure Cougar can too.

I said "She got murdered because (apparently) she made access to those weapons fairly easy. Unless I am wrong about that. Which is possible".

I did not think I needed to go much further than that to explain that we are all working offf a seriously loose interpretation of what may or may not have happened. I was not trying to be arrogant. When someone asked me what I thought I went on in more detail in the "allegedly" post.

I am trying to respond to everything you are saying. Now please tell me where I said this woman is a criminal?

Flakmeister's picture

You really don't get it...

It is the equivalent of shitting in your own crib, wake up and smell the coffee...

Reap what you sow, living and dying by the sword...

The whole "ride the end-of-days through guns" meme is  bereft of any logical internal consistency...

Life ain't a pulp-ficting sci-fi thriller...

BTW, Coug is the real deal, one of the few here that I pay any attention to....

fonzannoon's picture

I get the irony, I failed to see where it was funny. Especially when you consider that 26 kids were dragged into it. But you do actually find it funny. That makes you sick.

Fuu calls me out all over the place and I respond each time. He says I called this woman a criminal and I ask him to show me where I did that and he disappears....that's odd.

Flakmeister's picture

Re: Funny, hardly in the sense you think...

There is plenty of tragedy to go round, another 26 lives don't do it for me. I'm a bit jaded and I don't get sucked into the pity party that easily. Maybe because I am repelled by the bullshit that crawls out from both sides. Maybe it comes from having known 4 people that died in the infamous Air India bombing..

If you want a society of guns, well, there you have it. the price you must pay in stark terms... Your society, your choice...

As for the mother, she is my candidate for the 2012 Darwin award...