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Why US Prisons Are So Overcrowded

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On the day that California's Governor Jerry Brown asks federal judges to lift an order to release prisoners to reduce overcrowding, this brief clip seemed extremely appropriate when considering just why it is that the US prison population is so high (as we noted most recently here). Professor Daniel D'Amico provides some insightful color, noting that fully 24 percent of inmates in U.S. prisons are non-violent drug offenders. The drug war has been adding to a growing U.S. prison population for the past 40 years. Today, the United States holds more human beings in prisons than any other country, both as a percentage of the population and in counting total numbers. The war on drugs has led to significant increases in the U.S. prison population and he argues that perhaps this is an ineffective way to address drug use in America. An interesting dilemma on the day when another 'freedom', that of gun ownership, is up for potential prohibition.


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Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:52 | 3138690 Yen Cross
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 For Profit, comes to mind. Escape from the fed./Alcatraz---<> home ownership?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:54 | 3138697 negative rates
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Everybody must get STONED.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:01 | 3138719 FEDbuster
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Regarding gun prohibition, molon labe. Out of my cold dead hands.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:08 | 3138756 HurricaneSeason
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I lost mine in a boating accident, we were going target shooting after fishing and my duffle bag sunk.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:15 | 3138771 FEDbuster
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Let me guess, the silver and gold bullion coins you owned were in the bag, too.

Reminder to self, buy some scuba equipment this year.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:18 | 3138995 HurricaneSeason
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Yeah, that's why the bag sunk so fast.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:19 | 3139000 GubbermintWorker
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Let me know if you find out his address :-)

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:47 | 3139456 ZeroAvatar
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"From my warm, still-twitching, trigger finger."

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 10:10 | 3140325 midtowng
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No one is looking to prohibit guns. At least no one in Washington.

So calmete people. What they are looking to do is put in place laws that will make it harder for criminals and crazy people to get guns.

If you oppose that then you are harming your own cause.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 13:03 | 3140964 HardAssets
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Maybe you should look at this video. If time is short please pay attention to the part after about 11 min 30 sec into it, (that is, the last 3 minutes  or so of the video):


Sorry, I mistakenly down arrowed you and that was not my intent. I moved my finger across the mouse pad and it registered that. I don't know how to take it off. My apologies.  I do agree with your point that calmness is required. Regards, - - -

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:32 | 3138838 Yen Cross
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 Droned? Fixed it for you.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:21 | 3139223 john39
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the glorious leader admitted to doing coke and smoking enough weed to float a zeppelin....  but his fascist administration continues to prosecute and lock up medical marijuana users.   it is the worst type of farce...  

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:51 | 3139473 Yen Cross
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 I don't recall ever disagreeing with you? I like some nice purple on occasion. OOPS I'm a gun owner.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:44 | 3139624 caconhma
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Speaking about guns prohibition, remember the 55 miles/hour spead limit ?

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 08:43 | 3140158 Taint Boil
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Making it illegal to possess / ingest a plant that occurs naturally on the planet is ridiculous.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 13:06 | 3140997 HardAssets
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Presription 'murder and suicide drugs' are o.k. for our kids, howeever:

If time is short please watch after about 11 min 30 sec into the video, - that is about the last 3 minutes or so.

Regards, - - 


PS - any computer saavy people out there who can record this video before YouTube decides to take it down ?

I hear videos can go viral even after theyve been taken off YouTube.  Thanks

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:02 | 3138733 Silver Bug
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Because the prison system has become incredibly profitable. It is the only way US manufacturers can compete with Chinese goods.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:29 | 3138827 WhyDoesItHurtWh...
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Also keeps those pesky people off of the unemployment stats.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:45 | 3138882 Umh
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I hadn't thought of that angle. I thought they were just visiting friends. On a more serious not how many inmates are really employable?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:44 | 3139063 monad
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Considering how fubar the laws are there are alot of decent cons, far more decent than most suits.

But prison permanently removes that flimsy veneer of civility that sheople think is real. People who have done time have different priorities than sheople, they really get it. Crime pays better than wage slaving and once you've tasted real freedom, and real bondage, you're no good as a serf. So they aren't suitable for jobs where they are routinely taken advantage of, because they know a lot of great ways to get even and they really enjoy fucking up the parasitic classes, just as most zhers wish they had the balls to do. They just won't schlep for pennies, and they make the straights nervous. Steal your face right off your head.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:19 | 3139211 AlaricBalth
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Very well said. And
And that is one of the reasons why federal probation offices have a zero tolerance rule. One slip up and it is back to an FCI.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:26 | 3139241 Western
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Don't forget they also manage the entire gang culture in the system. Easier to control thousands of inmates when they are enemies to each other.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:32 | 3139272 monad
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I knew a guy who fucked his PO. He had easy parole. Affirmative Action is so much easier than merit; I didn't think he was that good looking.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:47 | 3139084 debtandtaxes
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...and from voting...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:05 | 3139292 monad
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Aren't we lucky. We can actually choose not to vote for the crooks. Successful cons just go straight to buying their representatives and look how much better that works than voting.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:12 | 3138970 Rainman
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CA Dept of Corrections employees are some of the highest paid gubmint employees in Commiefornia. If you really want to clean up, become the jail shrink or a jawbreaker dentist.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 02:32 | 3139941 Vlad Tepid
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Most medical professionals are allowed to work on an oncall basis for a full salary...while maintaining a private practice.  I know several doctors in "the system."  All of them make more than $175,000 in their state job...then there's their outside practices.  It gets even better when they "retire" with a pension and then come back as retired annuitants.  When it rains it pours!  

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:36 | 3139429 americanspirit
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So when is it going to occur to some very bright sociopathic politician to sell the US prison system to the Chinese? They certainly know how to run a prison system, and how to make a profit doing so. CCA has nothing on PRC.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:49 | 3139465 SamAdams
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The Carlyle group and friends make money with the cocaine import agency, and then again when the suckers are sent to private prisons. The war on drugs is very profitable. With prisons packed to capacity, more will need to be built as disillusioned turn to drugs. Win-win!

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:12 | 3139824 monad
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Study the British opium wars. Follow the money, and the American cocaine wars fall into place. Accounting is the best record of what really happened.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 10:27 | 3140379 SamAdams
SamAdams's picture is a great daily visit for a record of what really happened. Mike also has a radio show for those who would rather listen to the news.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:18 | 3138994 Shizzmoney
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People get arrested for the health care......they have a better PPO than I do!

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:10 | 3139822 ball-and-chain
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Let's legalize drugs.

I'm tired of looking at beheaded Mexicans.

It would solve a lot of problems.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 13:13 | 3141002 flattrader
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Yes, let's.

And when formally illegal recreational drugs become legal and employers begin mandatory drug testing of all employees, there will be a massive restructuring of the workforce.

Employment in most states is "at will" and there will be (and currently is) virtually nothing you can do to save your job if you test "positive" for a drug your employer doesn't like (including nicotine) unless you have a perscription.

This will be very interesting.  Very few consider that the "law of unintended consequences" will be massive and the "blow-back" from legalizing drugs will produce "dislocations" that went unconsidered.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:54 | 3138696 FROZENOJFUTURES

Federal Minimum Mandatories. I practice criminal defense. A guy gets busted for having a couple pounds of weed in state court, gets probation. Then he moves a few bricks of coke, more than 5kg. Literally no other criminal involvement. Result? Mandatory 20 year sentence. Federal drug minimum mandatories are hilariously awful, and judges have very little room to move even if they wanted to, and most just say "Welp Congress ordered it so I guess its what the public wants"


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:56 | 3138704 negative rates
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Here's mud in your eye! ;>)

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:57 | 3138710 buzzsaw99
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big pharma doesn't want any competition

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:08 | 3138757 DaveyJones
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Big Pharma and the CIA heroin / afghanistan money laundering

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:25 | 3138812 HurricaneSeason
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They should just put ankle bracelets on all of them and they'd find all the crack houses the first week.  Save lots of prison money and the police could sell the coke to balance their budgets.  That would probably escalate into anyone ever having smoked a joint wearing an ankle bracelet or anybody who ever got a dwi and on and on. Might be better to just keep the guns and let all the crazy crackheads out and shoot them one by one as they do breaking and enterings.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:08 | 3138954 The Gooch
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A lot of police ALREADY sell the coke and then some.

Start at the very, very top.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:27 | 3138820 A Lunatic
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Nullification of bullshit Federal "Laws" by responsible Judges as well as fully informed Jurors would go a long way in reducing the number of incarcerations. If the courts can't handle the pressure of treating cases based on their INDIVIDUAL circumstances then maybe officer Tom should stop making arrests for every petty fucking thing under the sun.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:54 | 3138894 AlaricBalth
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Would you agree that Conspiracy convictions are another tool for the DOJ to use in elevating their prosecution rates? I know a guy from Miami who is currently incarcerated at FPC Pensacola who never actually committed an act, yet what he did do was sit down at a friends table in South Beach while a conversation was being held concerning the importation of cocaine.

General intent is such an ambiguous term that proof of an overt act is not required to garner a conviction.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:03 | 3138937 A Nanny Moose
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Aren't juries suppose to get involved in this process at some point in time? What happened to a jury of your peers?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:23 | 3139009 AlaricBalth
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Juries? Less than 10% of federal criminal cases go to trial.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:44 | 3139078 A Nanny Moose
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Indeed...but why? Is it the result of the bargaining/indimidation process? Just how it works? Uninformed citizens? All of the above?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:28 | 3139252 Western
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Yes to all.


Don't Talk to the Police;

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:59 | 3139286 AlaricBalth
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Intimidation is a predominant consideration. Under the sentencing guidelines, certain charges carry various ranges of sentencing recommendations for the judge to follow. It is based on a scoring system that adds or takes away points based upon certain conditions. For example, if you have a prior conviction, you may get points. If you accept responsibility for your alleged actions, you may have points subtracted from your tally.

Thanks to the Booker Decision in the Supreme Court, federal mandatory sentencing guidelines were ruled unconstitutional. Judges were given a limited amount of discretion when deciding on a sentence.

Prosecutors use this sentencing leverage when in pre-trial negotiations. He will say to a defendant that he can recommend to the judge a lenient sentence if the defendant pleads guilty. It saves a lot of time and money. If the defendant declines and goes to trial it is all but guaranteed that a judge is going to hammer out a hard sentence just for wasting the courts time on a trial.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:14 | 3139701 A Nanny Moose
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a judge is going to hammer out a hard sentence just for wasting the courts time on a trial.

Doesn't this presume a guilty verdict by a jury? It only takes one informed jury to nullify absurd laws.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:31 | 3139731 AlaricBalth
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Yes. Agreed.
But isn't informed jury an oxymoron?
Wanted to up arrow you but when you use italics at the beginning of a comment, for some reason it gets blocked.

And as an aside, the Division Bell is one of my favorite albums. Great avatar photo.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:56 | 3139119 MachineMan
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Maybe you need to employ the "Yes I smoke it but I don't inhale" defense tactic.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:59 | 3139134 monad
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For perspective whats the mandatory minimum for murder? In most cases how hard is that to pleas down to manslaughter?

In 14 months, after doing both Ollie's and GHB's time, George Jung will be free at last. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:06 | 3139517 secret_sam
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All forms of drug prohibition are unconstitutional tyranny.  The State has no legitimate authority to decide for me what chemicals I prefer to consume, nor does it have any legitimate authority to search my body unless as a precondition of some granted privilege which I would not otherwise enjoy.

Smash the state.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:54 | 3138698 SHEEPFUKKER

We are all prisoners to this fukked up system now aren't we?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:08 | 3138758 fuu
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We are all just prisoners here, of our own device.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:09 | 3138760 DaveyJones
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so where's my ping-pong table?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:02 | 3138934 donsluck
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You should only deride the prison experience if you've been there. It's like the Tea Partiers saying taxes are torture.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:55 | 3138702 LFMayor
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They're overcrowded because no one has seen fit to implement my revolutionary Involuntary Organ Donor program as of yet.  You see, once IOD is enacted, those corneas, livers, kidneys and bicuspids currently being wasted in the bodies of Non-Useful Beings will be harvested and given to deserved individuals.  That little girl waiting on a healty liver may in fact be the very person who gives us FTL (faster than light travel) and gets us off this rock. Who better to ensure her productive future than some filthy pedophile?

So call your representatives now, and demand that they support the IOD program. 

They sought to commit crimes against society, now they will recompense the very people that they chose to oppress, so that Justice may be served.

This has been a community service message from the Lunatic Fringe.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:58 | 3138714 LFMayor
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I see we have at least one NAMBLA operative out there.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:31 | 3138829 HurricaneSeason
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Sounds more like MENGELE to me.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:13 | 3138973 LFMayor
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You just dropped that Nazi trump card, didn't you?  Ace in the hole, that.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:21 | 3139221 HurricaneSeason
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It just sounds a little more scary than the crackheads. I didn't think there was anything more scary or unpredictable than the crackheads, but I haven't heard of them cutting out body parts and selling them on Ebay, yet.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:39 | 3139060 Matt
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And after it is implemented, you will be incarcerated for Jaywalking because some police officer has an organ quota to fill.

Also, stem cells produced from your own fat cells to produce same-DNA replacement organs so you don't have anti-rejection drugs and have a suppressed immune system for the rest of your life, seems superior to using previously-owned organs from junkies.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:08 | 3139522 secret_sam
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Hep C and HIV are just added bonuses.  Let the free market set the price on organs, and may the buyer beware.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:58 | 3138708 Sophist Economicus
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Let's be clear, these drug offenders are non-tax paying entities that are the backbone of the huge underground money laundering/black-market -- that is the no-no our beloved government will not tolerate, EVER

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:58 | 3138713 buzzsaw99
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drug offenders are non-tax paying entities

so are corporations

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:03 | 3138735 Gazooks
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so is CIA

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:29 | 3138826 A Lunatic
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So are Federal employees.....

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:01 | 3138931 XitSam
Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:06 | 3138945 A Nanny Moose
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Let's draw the battle lines where they shoud be drawn. Between the producer class, and the parasite class.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:41 | 3139064 Matt
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Does a crack dealer count as a free market entreprenuerial producer, or a parasite on society, taking advantage of the weak?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:51 | 3139083 A Nanny Moose
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How is the crack dealer taking advantage of anybody? He is providing a product/service to someone who desires that product/service.

The presence of more exotic drugs/forms of drugs can be traced to the prohibition itself. If it can't be picked from the closest weed garden, then users circumvent the law.

The only ones taking advantage of people are the Drug companies, by eliminating competition for their failed products.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 02:21 | 3139927 Matt
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I don't think you understand how addiction works. An addict does not choose the product. Here specifically we are talking about refined drugs rather than weaker plant forms, as well as prescription medication.

Whether a person gets an oxycontin treatment for pain from an injury or uses cocaine or heroine once by choice, once they are addicted, their ability to choose not to use may be virtually eliminated.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:49 | 3138892 Umh
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Taxing corporations is a flat tax. I suggest we only tax corporations.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:04 | 3138737 seek
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Actually, I would bet if you did a real analysis the drug dealers are tax positive to an economy (I'm not saying they don't impact the economy negatively here, however.) Presumably someone who is otherwise unemployed that becomes a drug distributor is earning a profit from this, and those profits are spent in the local economy, much of which is taxed.

What's not getting taxed is their income. This is one of the reasons sales taxes are so attractive to economies with low income tax compliance rates. Of course in the US the governments want both.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:36 | 3138852 HurricaneSeason
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With half of the country not paying any income taxes, it seems like the average drug dealer in prison wouldn't owe any income tax anyway. Lots of undeclared cash like restaurant income and waitress tips.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:11 | 3138968 A Nanny Moose
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Think of all those jobs created in the PIC, and LEO careers. The drug counselors, lawyers, gun manufacturers.

To your point, I would counter with the economic uptick in 1934, right after repeal of The Volstead Act in 1933. I would also offer the second dip in TGD 1.0 correlates nicely with the Marijuana Tax Act (among other taxes imposed at the time). Not that these are the only levers pulled at the time, but it does beg the question about individual liberty, and economic activity.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:07 | 3138748 dick cheneys ghost
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The whole country is a black-underground market. Congress sets the example.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:58 | 3138715 fourchan
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the failed drug war will be the label pasted on our times by a future successful america.  a failed american state will be caused in part by it.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:59 | 3138716 -1Delta
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in colorado i can now smoke a joint (legally)..... but may lose my "right" to own a gun.

But honestly... .i could always smoke a joint.... and i will ALWAYS have a gun : )

facicts hypocitical fucks



Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:32 | 3138834 A Lunatic
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Remember the Prohibition Mother Fuckers.............

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:35 | 3138846 Yen Cross
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 A Lunatic, we all appreciate your enthusiasm. Keep up the good work!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:01 | 3138720 Racer
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So why do the banksters not get prosecuted for laundering drug money? Because they want to keep the drugs racket going so they can imprison the sheeple for cheap labour for corporations...  and they can't take time off work either....

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:04 | 3138742 Gazooks
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black-ops, bitchez

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:41 | 3138871 HurricaneSeason
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I think there is a $2 trillion heroin business in Afghanistan for the last 10 years and the banks and military own it, along with the roads, airports and airspace. When we leave the Taiban will burn the poppy fields and some of them are 25 square miles and can be seen from space. There are many dead people and addict prisoners from those fields and they supply 90% of the worlds heroin.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:00 | 3138722 sangell
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No, they were convicted of drug crimes because that is the easiest charge for prosecutors to win convictions on. Most are low lifes who have a series of prior arrests for drug possession, drug dealing, theft, and other charges. Since it is far easier to obtain proof ( they have the drugs on them) than it is to get witnesses to testify to drug sales, theft, robbery etc they go down on the possession charge much as Al Capone went down on income tax evasion.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:01 | 3138725 HurricaneSeason
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I used to live in a prison community. They had 2 plus an old "historic" one that they would have halloween celebrations for the kids at and wanted to turn into an amusement park: Prison World, bring the whole family. Funding couldn't be found for some reson. There were really good paying jobs in a community that had none and they would always scream for more prisons. Lots of overtime and you got to be in that prison a lot. One of their prisons may close this year due to state funding, it will be heartbreaking.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:04 | 3138738 legorf
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Legalize pot, crank up tax revenues doing so and get rid of the national debt instead of financing criminals.


Did alcool prohibition worked out in the 30's? Oh wait, I forgot, these are politicians, ideology is way more important than rationality.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:20 | 3138797 Gazooks
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debt's no problem


it's a means


to confiscation


of freedom


control, bitchez


a state of mind


in a cell


or out






Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:06 | 3138740 DaveyJones
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24 percent of inmates are non-violent drug offenders

but 100 percent of CIA agents are violent drug offenders (at least with production).

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:04 | 3138743 lunaticfringe
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Get ready assholes...there are more of us coming.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:37 | 3138855 LongOfTooth
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Is that just another way of saying "grab your ankles"?


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:15 | 3138979 LFMayor
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yes, I've heard!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:07 | 3138754 imapopulistnow
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Step One:  Make an easy-to-use form of heroin in a pill.

Step Two: Lie and claim that it is hardly addictive so the FDA will approve for wide use.

Step Three: Hire VIP politicos to "consultant contracts", set up a new "pain management" industry, "educate" doctors on the profitibility that comes with repeat (aka addicted) patient visits.

Step Four: Employ K Street and all of the comparables in the State Capitols.

Step Five: Those who do not overdose and die, will go to jail either for using, dealing, or stealing to pay for using.

Step Six: Jails are full.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:21 | 3138798 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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FDA approval part will be easy these days. If you invent a new food additive chemical, all you need to show is it's "generally accepted as safe". There are law firms who provide just such a service as independent third parties who say "yup it's safe".

Look up brominated vegetable oil. Banned in Europe and Asia, but yep included in US soft drinks for these very reasons. Nice!

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 21:16 | 3142979 Ballin D
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Heroin is an opiate.  Most pain killers today are opiates and basically heroin in a pill with slightly varying strengths and modes of action.  We're long past the FDA approval point and looking at step 7

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:10 | 3138755 Yen Cross
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 let's stick to the Spirit, not the writ. of the post. P{oint being, people are being Incarcerated to gain wealth. (not worthless fiat)...

  It's about wealth, Eg; land, resources, transportation, geographic advantages, ect... GRABS

  Spear tips or Viagra/ It's exactly the  same.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:11 | 3138765 fuu
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May your new year be profitable sir.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:15 | 3138782 Yen Cross
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 Thanks fuu.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:11 | 3138764 EverythingsSuper
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Don't be stupid Mr. Loyala Univ. professor. You're too stoned to understand that if the War on Drugs be stopped, just like the War on Terror. The police state power would severely weaken, the militarization of the regime would lessen and a whole lot of enforcement grants/lobbies/monies would be lost. That's something you don't make up by scraping your sensimilla buds Mr. Professor. That's something you create problem, reaction, solutions for with raw power, something that few Americans will have very soon!

-Your local ZOG official.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:19 | 3138792 ekm
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I recall that alcohol prohibition during the 30s went pretty well. Consumption of illegal alcohol was higher than prior to prohibition.


Now, what do you think it's going to happen if guns were to be banned?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:37 | 3138817 Yen Cross
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 EKM guns aren't consumable, mind altering substances. 

  Guns are protection, just like spears for  { Neanderthals } were. ;)  I didn't junk you.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:17 | 3138793 Jack Burton
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We are no longer free people, we only are allowed to live outside of the government prison system if we are able to track and obey the thousands of laws that exist, many of which are of dubious value. Prisons have become profit centers. For the privately owned prisons, the more thrown in jail the higher the profits. For corporations and small business, getting contracts with the prison systems for goods or services is highly profitable and beats competing in the free market. Even unions have gotten is on the action, as prison guard unions lobby heavily for stiff jail sentences for minor offences and for new laws, especially drug laws that can trap citizens and get them sent to jail where prison guards get huge paychecks and benefits for holding Americans hostage.

To sum up, putting Americans in prison profits many. And it gives politicians great satisfaction to wield great power over citizens.

Also, one of the biggest lobbiests for manditory prison for minor drug offences is the alcohol distilling and botteling industry. This is a proven, but little know fact. The brewers lobby politicans hard for making every substance but alcohol illegal. Check into it, you will find this has been true since at least the late 1930's.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:25 | 3138809 sangell
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Go look at the rap sheet of your basic criminal ( they are on line in Florida). You will see any number of misdemeanor arrests for drug and paraphrenalia possession before they hit the big time and get their felony charges. Does a guy who is put in prison for armed robbery, does a few years, gets out and is picked up for possession of marijuana count as a 'non violent' felon when he is sent back to the hoosegow? The  oxocodone addict who has an adjudication withheld on her first possession charge, gets a felony conviction for forging a prescription but no prison time for her second felony and only on her third felony conviction qualify for prison and the label 'non violent' offender when she may have sold pills to some 19 year old whose parents find their child dead from an OD or whose pill deals caused any number of violent felonies by her customers really a 'non violent' criminal?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:00 | 3139502 secret_sam
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You obviously don't know what "non-violent crime" means.  Your own ignorance is a poor effort at "argument."

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:37 | 3138857 css1971
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The netherlands allows cannabis consumption and you know what? The world didn't end. The country still exists, people go about their daily business. Crime rates of almost all types are lower than the US.

Switzerland mandates an assault rifle in virtually every home, yet the murder rate is substantially below the US.


The problems are not guns and drugs.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:56 | 3138917 HurricaneSeason
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I've always wondered if you make coffee cost $10,000 a pound and attach a 20 year prison sentence for drinking it, if you'd end up with some crazed crackhead-like killers hiding in the basement drinking coffee and robbing houses for copper.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:42 | 3139065 sangell
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But the Dutch are reregulating their cannabis rules because it is no longer a 'groovey' as it seemed to be a first. Doper tourists are not so lucrative and modern marijuana far stronger so they are reclassifying the 'good stuff' as a hard drug.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:39 | 3138861 Relentless
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Don't call me Shirley

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:40 | 3138865 chistletoe
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reminder ....


every person who is in jail


is a person who is not part of the unemployment statistic.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:48 | 3138889 Yen Cross
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 the loan ratio in 2012 was 95% Government funded..

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:44 | 3138879 Waterfallsparkles
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Interesing conclusion.  If almost all Americans decided not to turn in their Guns.  Where would they imprison them? 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 02:16 | 3139923 mkhs
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The FEMA camps?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:53 | 3138899 Waterfallsparkles
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Can you even imagine if 100,000 people in the United States failed to give up their Guns and were arrested for violation of the Law what would happen?

Where would the put them?  How much would it cost to take Tax Paying Citizens and put them in a Jail?  How much would the Government lose on Tax Revenue? How much would it cost to support those Citizens while they were in Jail.  What is the number? $58,000. per prisioner, per year?  With the revenue from their Taxes gone and the cost to imprision them, how much will the Government lose each year?


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:11 | 3138964 HurricaneSeason
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You're not looking at it right. How many great jobs for guards, parole officers, cooks and prison builders would there be? They would all pay taxes and they are the good people. We just need some bad people to watch. This is a job creating solution our politicians are capable of coming up with, anything much more complicated and no. The Bernank would lend us another trillion(that he doesn't have) at a low interest rate. If we can't finalize the Gingrich moon base plan, then prisons should be plan B because it's government simple.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:27 | 3139023 DanDaley
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They don't actually want your guns, they want to know where they are so that they can get them at some future time, probably little by little -so as not to make too many waves,




they want to tax the living life out of ammo, guns, licenses, scopes, and everything else even remotely related to firearms. They won't come for you like a lion, they will come like a slithering anaconda. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:50 | 3139099 Matt
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At $100,000 per year per prisoner, 100,000 prisoners would cost $10 billion per year. To put it another way, that's about 3 days worth of QE at current rate. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:56 | 3138911 SubjectivObject
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Read elswhere by a CA lawyer that CA is running out of money and closing courts houses.  Funding for priisons probably under the same constraints.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:05 | 3138944 Yen Cross
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 Fire 2/3rds of Californias (Magestrates and Support staff) and gain 2-3 $billion in usable monies/monys to re-invest!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:09 | 3138955 Shizzmoney
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Big fan of Daniel D'Amico.  Really insightful stuff on the inequality that we call "the law" and the criminal justice system.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:15 | 3138981 laomei
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For profit prisons of course.  Not to mention the prison labor that they generate, which further depresses local wages.  It's in everyone's interest to lock up as many people as possible.


Cops get more overtime pay, more toys to play with and more "stats".  Local governments get to claim a large crackdown in crime, which boosts property values as well as property taxes.  Prisons turn a profit as well which hire locals in some shithole that gets a boost to employment.  Then there's the slave labor for corporate.  All paid for by you the tax-payer, to lock yourselves up, whereas that same money could have just been flat out spent to not result in a society that breeds the crime in the first place.  But... that would be socialism, and where's the profit in that?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:08 | 3139164 RSDallas
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This does not have anything to do with a war on drugs.  This has to do with our federal reserve and government sucking the capital available to the citizens of the United States out of the system and our government taking the stance of catching and feeding the citizens fish for free instead of teaching the citizens how to fish for themselves.  Shame on you Washington!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:12 | 3139184 Stuck on Zero
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A lot of these statistics are skewed intentionally.  Having done extensive analysis on California prisons I can tell you that there aren't many "non-violent drug offenders" behind bars.  Most of the rap sheets of state prisoners are ten pages.  Some are 100 pages.  A non-violent drug rap can only mean dozens of really ugly crimes in the past.  Many are sentenced to life because of the three strikes law.  There are gang fellows who have committed rape, robbery, torture, mayhem, maiming, etc. and finally the system gets fed up and tosses them in the clink for possession of a joint.  Next time you feel these guys are getting a bad rap try visiting your local prison and tell me if you'd like to hang out with the inmates.

The real travesty of justice, in my opinion, is taking someone who has served his/her time and dumping them on the street without a job or a support system. Everyone needs help occasionally.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:20 | 3139209 Yen Cross
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Stuck on Zero, that was a fantastic post! I have seen millionaires melted down. Men and Women a-like ripped up by (tort, and statutes)! I will raise my rifle's when the time is right!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:24 | 3139232 Savyindallas
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I was a state prosecutor for 8 years in two major cities  -California may have let nonviolent offenders out due to their fiscal crisis, but not in other areas. Most users get probation the first go around, then they get their probation revoked for some stupid reason like pissing off their probation officer, not reporting, smoking a joint and flunking a urine test  -then they get out and can't get a job because they have a prison record and go on to other crimes. Of course we seem to fill our jails a lot with DUIs  -family violence -try looking at your wife or girlfriend funny and see how fast you get thrown in the tank, courtesy of federal grants to police and State prosecutors.  I know men in jail for 6 months on contempt charges because they missed child support payments  -never mind that they were unemployed and couldn't make the payments.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:21 | 3139505 Yen Cross
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Savyindallas you have my interest on that " Federal Grant " (personal for you) impositional sentence...

  So, In fact you are stating grants are posted to departments, and "NOT" individuals for arrests?

  Answer the question SAVY!  Are you for gun control? I took Hunter Safety training at 14. Tell me ass hole 1/2 my age how you know more about guns than me?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:51 | 3139330 Shizzmoney
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I don't have a problem with legalizing things that allow a person to "ocassionally escape" their daily stresses and relax a little with their friends.  Moderation is key, obviously.

However, we are continuing to structure and build a society so full of stresses, and so distorted and contorted, from anyone's idea of what "normal" should be.

I worry that we are building a "toolbox" of things that you could use to destroy yourself and your family, just "to escape it all".

Booze, drugs, gambling, porn, and on and on... all because we just can't live with our way of life. We can't live with the corruption, the broken economy, the social expectations, the greed, the abuse, the apathy, the fraud, the betrayals, and the assholes who "run" our system, claiming they are "elite".

Personally, I don't care if we make pot legal.  Nothing will happen, the Sun will rise the next day.

But we sure better start working to build a kinder, fairer, and more balanced society....or we will eventually run out of "escapes" and then we will have to face something that can no longer be fixed.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:02 | 3139357 SmackDaddy
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standing ovation....

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:12 | 3139374 Savyindallas
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The war on drugs has been a smashing success!! Look at all the criminals we've caught. This is great. And wait until we get the 30,000 drones up in operation. Can you imagine how many traffic offender criminals we will catch?  The great thing about it is we don't to have to spend $100,000 per prisoner like we used to do - it's a matter of national security and the Patriot Act will allow us to keep the offenders in FEMA camps at a mere fraction of the cost-liberal Federal judges won't even have jurisdiction over the matter.  And Halliburton can put them all to work making bombs and guns to be used to kill all the Muslims in the war on terror.

 I'm tired of all you negative anti-American Ron Paul liberals. This is a good thing. Stalin did the same thing and made Russia a power second only to the US. Yes, I agree that there were abuses in the Gulags - and we can and will strive to make our prisons better  -more efficient and even more humane than the Commies did. That's what America is all about  - a beacon of light for the world.  

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:11 | 3139514 Yen Cross
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  We don't need no 'body/BODY Armour'. A few good cops/ex, can make it all good. /sarc

 Savy your friends will turn on you in an instant... they were bred/bread for Reliance...

  You're welcome.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:03 | 3139509 ZeroAvatar
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You don't have a 'license' to  carry that firearm?


Say hello to 'prezone'.................


...........and BUBBA.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:08 | 3139523 earleflorida
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'An abstract synonym in a concrete versed history?'

The way forward:  way back in the 18th century the opium trade was a very lucrative commodity, especially for the British via China. the main prolific`propagator drug lord was... de Rothschild family!

Prologue: the Sassoon family married into the Rothschild family. the Rothschild's commissioned the Sassoon's for the opium trade with the help of the British navy and a certain Lord John Winston Spencer Churchill... Winston Churchill's grandfather. but, what most readers are unaware of, was that Warren Delano, the grandfather of FDR was perhaps the only american, gaining fabulous 'great-wealth' with his merchant fleet controlling the ports of Hong Kong and the distribution of opium throughout China-- working directly under the supervision of the  Sassoon's via Rothschilds. 

But, there was an unwritten law/ agreement regarding the European elitist, that no 'Opium" be subjected to the people for profit or recreation in all of mainstream Europe, period!  No one dared cross the line because of the lucrative trade.

Epilogue:   The same drug trafficking is happening today in modern Americana! The exact same bullshit that took place in China in the 18th century, accept the geography has changed, and we the american people are paying the price for a diabolical grand plan to destroy from within... as did the same Chinese people. Today, we imprison ~ 75% of inmates for drug offences, but in China they just took them outside and executed them. America's private prison system is just icing on the cake for 'TPTB' as I've mentioned above.

Time to wake-up america!



Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:17 | 3139561 Yen Cross
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 Give me a break? Antonyms _ Homonyms?   Let's guess, Law Skool, Best Buy> Greeter. 

Super nice Person that is vagina challenged

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:45 | 3139627 earleflorida
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yen cross... what the fuck is that anyhow!

must be a hybred jap from an illegitiment chinese opium-den whore

c'mon... i've got to be half right?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:18 | 3139563 Yen Cross
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 The  wana be cops are out tonight! Credit Union Cops/

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:34 | 3139582 ZeroAvatar
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Obeyme can create a new cartoon character, 'GIBSME, THE GUN GRABBING OCTOPUS', to illustrate to all the lowly-educated sheeple the need to take away all our rifles, you know, TO KEEP AMERICA SAFE,!!!, and shit. 


Then those of us who are honest, intelligent, hard working people can do time in FEDERAL POUND-ME-IN-THE-ASS-PRISON! (even if we didn't comply because we lost our guns in a MOTHERFUCKING BOATING ACCIDENT, BITCHEZ! /Sam Kinison 'off'

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:37 | 3139601 ZeroAvatar
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"GIBSME'  could then morph into 'THE EBT, SECTION 8 AND OBAMAOPHONE GIVEAWAY GIBBON.   Monkeys gonna grab, right?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:42 | 3139615 ZeroAvatar
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Then,  CONZINE THE CLOWN can come on TEEVEE (I know, Freddie, I know)  and tell everyone about our ECONOMIC RECOVERY.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 02:10 | 3139919 ItsDanger
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You have a major problem when there are guys in prison serving 15 yrs or so for possession of crack.  Meanwhile, Wall Street crooks run wild.

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