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Will Obama Use An Executive Order To Enact Gun Control?

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Moments ago, MSNBC showed a clip in which "gun tzar" VP Joe Biden made it clear that "the President is going to act" on the issue of gun control, and that "executive orders and executive action can be taken." Of course "can" does not mean "will" as the fallout from an executive order bypassing Congress would be rather dramatic, especially on a topic so near and dear to at least half of America, and the response, to put it mildly, would make the Piers Morgan vs Alex Jones screaming match seems like a tranquil discussion between two dignified stoics. If "can" however, does become "will", America may have far bigger issues over the next two months than the debt ceiling, kicking the sequester down another several months, or even the quadrillion yen tuna.

 


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Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:32 | Link to Comment israhole
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Let's see if Americans have any balls like we're always boasting, it's time to start shooting.  If we don't use them now, we don't need them.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:39 | Link to Comment Mi Naem
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Wrong!  If it's time to "demonstrate" anything, it is that our own guns aren't required for violent reaction against unconstitutional takings. 

However, the fact that they're damn handy is a given. 

Let MSM cover slashings of authorities (formerly) carrying firearms.  

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:31 | Link to Comment lunaticfringe
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I got two words, Civil Disobedience. C'mon and bring it Obama. http://thecivillibertarian.blogspot.com/2013/01/obamas-mouth-writes-chec...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:56 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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"His ass" will be nowhere near the check-cashing line. Your bravado only further empowers him in the eyes of his minions.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:39 | Link to Comment trollin4sukrz
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vote dont matter.. sooner or later we are going to have to stand up to these tyrants 

 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:32 | Link to Comment mrktwtch2
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then they will have an excuse to get rid of him..the old fashioned way..lol

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Mi Naem
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Right.  Many Senators and Reps voting the wrong way or failing to disallow the un-Constitutional Executive Order would have a tough time coming home to their districts. 

I know where mine lives, do you? We have a Constitutional right to seek redress of our grievances. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:32 | Link to Comment KnightTakesKing
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If he does issue an 'executive order' he will kick-off a constitutional crisis of epic proportions.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:50 | Link to Comment Anasteus
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Exactly, and this will also be a treason of epic proportions. You'll explicitly know who is the enemy of American citizens.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:07 | Link to Comment FreeNewEnergy
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But, isn't that the whole point of the matter. Why gun control, now, while the federal government is already broke and exceeded their debt limit and the Fed Reserve is buying bonds before they're issued?

They've reached the end of their money game and they have to up the ante. They have no way out and must resort to extreme tactics. An executive order, a constitutional crisis, et. al., is just what they need for a complete breakdown and a reset.

Get ready for some real shit. I posted earlier today that we're within six months of the final curtain, maybe I should have said six weeks (or six days).

I've been following this entire clusterfuck since 2006 and I've not seen moves and headlines and stories so extreme until now.

Civil war? We'll be lucky if that's the worst of it. Try food shortages, cut off electricity, no internet, bank holidays, riots, fires, explosions. Fuck. Motherfuckers. All about money and control.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:23 | Link to Comment centerline
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In order to vaporize the promises made (pensions, SS, etc.) as well as debt owed to foreign nations, the reset will have to be ugly.  Or it will have to be global.

I would think a global reset is unlikely since there are too many players who would not agree... too many variables and moving parts... and that angle is all about resources anyhow.  It would be a free for all that would more likely than not lead to WWIII.

The more likely is one or more nations simply collapse overnight under thier own wieght - leading to civil unrest.  Lately I have come to appreciate earlier calls that the US would break up.  Bearing in mind that power and wealth holds no allegiance to any country, it very well may be that the US is the next Soviet Union, or is scheduled for demolision. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:53 | Link to Comment Karlus
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Or will it happen without a peep? Will example be made from people? Would a reward be offered and turn neighbors against each other for money.

This is going to be hell on earth, or just indifference

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:32 | Link to Comment The.Oracle
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There is certainly a window for being able to leave the United States, a window that is closing.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment GoldenDragon
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And go where?  To Russia with the French tax dodgers?

No, thanks!  The line for individual freedom and liberty must be drawn here in the US.

When the SHTF over this, the only ones that will be trying to escape America will be the pansy progressive socialists.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:32 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Go Ahead...ACT! Then try to ENFORCE!

GOOD LUCK, you'll need it!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:32 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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So true. Watch the last hour of Red State. The jackboots could not take those kind of losses on a large scale.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:32 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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This is going to be funny.

These types of events, like "fiscal cliff" are distractions from what's really going on.

 

Could be market crash or massive spending cuts.  It's usually about money.

 

Pass the popcorn please.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment docj
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I was thinking something along those lines as well - why pick this fight now? Must be some really, really bad crapola coming down the pike they need to distract Kardashian-Nation from.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Henry Chinaski
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It is probably a simple ploy to distract the national dialog away from the shitty centrally planned economy, the criminally insane federal debt and the FED's counterfeit money printing racket. i.e. Take the attention away from Obama's dismal record and his lack of any constructive ideas on how to fix the country's problems going into his second term.  This gun debate will eclipse any meaningful "halftime" assesment of Obama's presidency. These asholes have piled up a mountain of debt and have nothing to show in terms of improving our national interests.

They already know what they are going to propose and these meetings are just for show.  The thugs posing as leaders in Washinton have misunderestimated the will of the people on this.  In the end, they will not make much headway on "gun control". 

 

 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:19 | Link to Comment Agent P
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The phrase "Never let a crisis go to waste" comes to mind.  After 20 defenseless children were massacred, a lot of people moved quickly and loudly into the anti-gun camp on pure emotion, so if they're going to make a grab, they have to do it now while the sheeple aren't thinking about Constitutional rights, etc.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:47 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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They sure don't want the peasants to be armed when the real fiscal cliff hits.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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Where your tax money is going: "VP Biden holds 3 days of meetings"

Where your tax money will be going: general semi-automatic weapons ban enforcement.

Don't get too comfy friends, it's almost time to roll over again.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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The dollar is dead, long live the dollar

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment Mad Mohel
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How do they enforce executive orders? Oh yeah, with fucking guns!

Get ready to have all your teeth knocked out bitches, from here on out it's all swallowing.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment sansnobel
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 You come after me motherfuckers and I am coming after YOU and your entire family to boot!   Go ahead Obama I fucking dare you!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:40 | Link to Comment Tsar Pointless
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"They" won't have to come after you. "They" have drones now.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:37 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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How did those drones work out in Afghanistan? They didn't. No amount of smart weapons or heavy weapons will make freedom loving American submit.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 02:47 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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we should start a pool for whoever shoots one down first

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:35 | Link to Comment gdiamond22
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I'm looking forward to government officials coming to my home to TRY and take my guns. Should be a good party!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:40 | Link to Comment Tsar Pointless
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See above reply to other comment.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:47 | Link to Comment Dagny Taggart
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Perhaps the government will not have to knock on your door....

 

In any case, the VERY LAST THING they will try will be the midnight raids. Everyone and anyone will be your enemy before that occurs. There will be no one individual to strike out against. The giant, gray miasma of society will be your enemy. Ignorance, lethargy, apathy. How do you fight that?

When the initial turn in period ends, penalties will begin. More friendly letters in the mail. Fines assessed. Jail time threatened. More compliance. Then, an amnesty. Turn them in, no questions asked. More compliance. Then maybe a so-called 'buy back'. Free gas cards, gift cards, cash. Who knows?

In parallel to all this, of course, are the exhortations to the public to turn in non-compliant gun owners. Turn them in for rewards. Turn them in for reduced prison sentences. Turn them in for a pat on the head. Your civic duty and all that.

See, now that you are demonized in the eyes of the public, and an actual criminal in the eyes of the government, then all of governments resources can be applied to you with impunity.

read more: http://www.survivalblog.com/2013/01/letter-re-why-civilian-disarmament-i...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:49 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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If they start collecting guns, the last thing you need to do is wait for them in your house... you need to go on the offensive... if you know what I mean. They shed first blood, they'll get payback.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:55 | Link to Comment Mi Naem
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And a short party too, my friend. 

I don't care who or what you've got - you will be out-manned and outgunned.  

I had nightmares about what they did to law abiding citizens in Katrina last night.  That's coming again. 

Silent, celled guerrilla will be the only way to meaningfully resist. 

And, there certainly will be some law enforcement and military on our side.  Get to know them. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:33 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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Outmanned and outgunned? Are you kidding? It's the will to win that matters. Even with the best weapons, we got our asses kicked in Afghanistan.

 

You need to sit down and watch Red State. The gun grabbing government thugs suffered *unsustainable loses* that would equal defeat in a large scale operation.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:58 | Link to Comment Yes We Can. But...
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Good evening, Mr. Diamond.  We're with the government, and we are here to help.  Now, you can help us help you by handing over your weapons....

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:35 | Link to Comment j-dub
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Long Orville Redenbacher+passport paper producers

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:39 | Link to Comment Joebloinvestor
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Why do you think all those government agencies were buying ammo?

I bet they are thinking about forced confiscation and the repercussions.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:41 | Link to Comment XitSam
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What you imply, is that the statists have been planning disarmament for a couple years (at least), and that even if Newtown was not a false flag action, they waited until a suitably horrible tragedy happened to implement their plan. False flag or not, the statists' logic (based on what they propose) is that they could have prevented 20 children from being murdered and they did nothing.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:26 | Link to Comment Everybodys All ...
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Exactly.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:39 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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"This is no time for ceremony. British bayonets will soon control the country. It is a question of freedom or slavery. For my part I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and provide for it. We have done everything that could be done to avert the storm that is now coming on. What has there been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify hope? Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? These are the implements of subjugation, sent over to rivet upon us the chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? We have been trying that for the last ten years; have we anything new to offer? In vain may we indulge the fond hope of reconciliation.

There is no longer room for hope. If we wish to be free, we must fight. I repeat it, sir, we must fight. An appeal to arms, and to the God of Hosts, is all that is left us.

They tell us, sir, that we are weak, unable to cope with an enemy so powerful. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed and a British guard shall be stationed in every house?

Sir, we are not weak, if we make proper use of those means which the God of nature placed in our power. Three millions of people armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. We shall not fight alone. A just God presides over the destinies of nations.

The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone. It is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. It is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery. Our chains are now forged. Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston. The war is inevitable. And let it come. I repeat it, sir, let it come.

Gentlemen may cry peace, peace, but there is no peace. Our brethren are already in the field. Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take but as for me, give me liberty or give me death."

Patrick Henry

History is about to repeat itself.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:50 | Link to Comment chunga
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Americans will soon have to decide whether to be like Patrick Henry or be docile and compliant Space Muffins.
Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:12 | Link to Comment e_goldstein
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Space Monkeys > space mufffins

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:20 | Link to Comment Meatier Shower
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That, or.............

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you'd be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur--what if it had been driven off or its tires spikes?
The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if... We didn't love freedom enough...”
- Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago (1973). Excerpt from Footnote 5, Chapter 1.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:39 | Link to Comment thedrickster
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LOL, this should be fun, visions of country sheriffs and the BATFE playing cowboys and indians. 

I truly hope The Blessed is this arrogant/foolish, get balkanization rolling already.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:40 | Link to Comment azengrcat
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That whirring sound you just heard was all of the deceased USA WW2 veterans spinning in their graves at 10,000 RPM

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:42 | Link to Comment Tsar Pointless
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Nope. It was the sound of an unmanned drone predator plane circling around, looking for its first target.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:26 | Link to Comment Klazy Plick
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No, it was all those goobermint vehicles rolling around on rims.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:52 | Link to Comment greensnacks
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Just the NRA spreading more propaganda. Scare the public and sell more guns and ammo. Buy, buy, buy before it's too late!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:41 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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Riiight... and just forget about the countless number of laws restricting and outlawing firearms over the past 100 years.

I'll take my chances with history and assume that this is the real deal.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:41 | Link to Comment DCFusor
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I was at Lowes the other day buying PVC pipe, caps, and glue to bury a thing or two, just in case.

Funny thing - they were low on that sort of thing, and one of the floorwalkers said a lot of people were buying the same stuff and for the same reason.

Banning anything that people actually want just creates a higher value for that thing on a black market.  Prohibition gave us the mafia - which supported it because it made them money.

War on drugs?  We make the worst people (cartels) on earth rich, and powerful, and yes, they support this "war" that makes drugs expensive enough that people shoot one another over turf.

Try it with guns?  Well, if the past is any guide....some of that buried stuff is going to be a world beating investment in not very long.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:01 | Link to Comment mr. mirbach
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Fantastic,  now Big Sis will add buying PVC pipe to the list of suspected terrorist activities....

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:02 | Link to Comment GoldenDragon
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When you think it's time to bury your guns, it's time to dig them up.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:31 | Link to Comment XitSam
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I can only shoot one at a time effectively.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:23 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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I like.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:19 | Link to Comment HellFish
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Careful with PVC - it outgasses.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 14:18 | Link to Comment cornedmutton
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Dessicant required.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:35 | Link to Comment SmallerGovNow2
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Great point...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:41 | Link to Comment TomGa
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"If you think it's time to bury your guns, it's actually time to use them."

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:15 | Link to Comment eddymunster
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When you feel it is time to bury them, it is the time to use them.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:40 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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Hmmm...I've got 150' of 8" PVC pipe out back.  Probably easier/cheaper than buying a leaky boat and snorkel gear...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:42 | Link to Comment youngman
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Well its going to get interesting....I know he wants to outlaw them all...and confiscate them all...that is his upbringing....to control the masses....

For the people that think it will be a swat team at your door to get your guns...that will be the last thing they will do....first the will ask voluntary disarmament.....then mandatory...then fines...then they will send you a letter saying turn in your Sig Sauer P229 that you bought on 12/12/12 at such and such gun store with such and such credit card....you have 30 days...how did they know?????  you know how they know...

then they will shut off your electricity...water...freeze your bank accounts....graft your paycheck to pay the fines inccured....in other words starve you to death first....then they will come to your home...

Another guy wrote these ideas....I just thought he was pretty close as to how they will try to impliment it....pretty close I think...

on the other side....this country is being split in half....Obama wants that too....it does not seem good to me...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:55 | Link to Comment centerline
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Just think of how many people sold firearms a long time ago and do not have the bill of sale anymore.  Or never kept documentation for stuff that was bought.  Your most honest and trusting citizens would never have imagined one day they could get slammed for such things.  What was constitution then, makes them a criminal now?

The whole concept here is flawed.  Putting the genie back isn't easy.

I think the sabre rattling is like pushing gas to $5 a gallonn from $3 to make $4 feel acceptable.  Creeping legislation.  Creeping police state.  Etc.  Two steps forward and one step back is still forward motion.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:56 | Link to Comment Ignorance is bliss
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And when it starts? Who will keep them safe?

 

 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:01 | Link to Comment Wile-E-Coyote
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They will make an example of Alex Jones. Wait and see. They will come for his 50 guns.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:55 | Link to Comment jumbo maverick
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I think you missed something, just after voluntary turn ins then they will offer outrageous dollar amounts at gun buy backs. I mean heck they are printing money like crazy so I think they will get a lot of people to turn in their AR15s by offering say triple the current market value. What would it matter to the government to buy them at such prices. They got people to think of this stuff all day long. They probably have it figured out down to the penny that it would be cost effective.

The important thing, I think, something that will really be a good barometer to figure out what the government is doing is just watch how they are going to treat local law enforcement. I don't mean your big city LA or NY cops but the cops in small town America. When the government starts to demonized them for supporting ones right to keep a weapon and to use it in self defense then it's almost go time. When the government begins programs to disarm the local police or make them keep their firearms at the police station then you should know that it has started. Many people knock the local cops but a lot of them have more in common with you then you may think. That's what to watch for make no mistake about it.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:42 | Link to Comment rogerthat
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This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will...
Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:49 | Link to Comment LouisDega
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Kubrick Bitchez

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:04 | Link to Comment Wile-E-Coyote
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Lol....... a quote from Full Metal Jacket from private Pile, that worked out well didn't it!! Killed his drill sergeant and then blew his own brains out.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:41 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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I think that quote is quite a bit older than that movie, and a lot of the guys who learned it died storming beaches.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:34 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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It's the Marines' Rifleman's Creed: http://www.usmcpress.com/heritage/marine_corps_rifleman's_creed.htm

This is my rifle.  There are many like it, but this one is mine.  It is my life.  I must master it as I must master my life.  Without me my rifle is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless.        I must fire my rifle true.  I must shoot straighter than the enemy who is trying to kill me.  I must shoot him before he shoots me.  I will.  My rifle and I know that what counts in war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, or the smoke we make.  We know that it is the hits that count.  We will hit.

      My rifle is human, even as I am human, because it is my life.  Thus, I will learn it as a brother.  I will learn its weaknesses, its strengths, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel.  I will keep my rifle clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready.  We will become part of each other.

      Before God I swear this creed.  My rifle and I are the defenders of my country.  We are the masters of our enemy.  We are the saviors of my life.

      So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 03:10 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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what an asshole.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:44 | Link to Comment mcl2177
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Will Governors in Redstates order their police forces to stand down and tell the Feds to not interfier.  This will lead to succession.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:48 | Link to Comment DonFromWyoming
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If Feinstein's confiscation bill becomes law, the intermountain west states will openly rebel and secession will cease being a no-no word.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 03:12 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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won't just be the "intermountain west" whatever that is exactly. lol.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 08:13 | Link to Comment j0nx
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Whichever state secedes first is where me and mine are headed. I'm thinking Oklahoma or Montana/Wyoming probably. I'll leave this liberal utopia to the new york jews and their sycophants.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:55 | Link to Comment irie1029
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I really wish for succession and I will vote with my feet.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:48 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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Secession!  To secede: to withdraw formally from an alliance, federation, or association, as from a political union, a religious organization.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment busted by the b...
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I seriously doubt he will "go it alone" on this one.  It will be a bi-partisan act, most likely the Feinstein bill.

If the Administration issues any executive order, it will be some very narrow control and won't involve banning guns, but even that is doubtful, imo.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:48 | Link to Comment mcl2177
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I hope your right but I don't think you are.  This guy is an outright statist in his mind America has alway been wrong and he has to make it right.  On top of that he is delusional he has a messiah complex that was just put into overdrive by winning in November.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:48 | Link to Comment linrom
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If BIG O is involved, he'll settle for banning BB guns: talk big and then do nothing--that's his motto.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment linrom
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Hello Alex Jones show.

 

 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:07 | Link to Comment Wile-E-Coyote
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Lol.. been listening to AJ the last couple of days, back pedalling like a demented monkey on a bicycle.

 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:47 | Link to Comment unplugged
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Q:  what happens when the President, Congress, and Supreme Court all ignore & bypass the Constitution ?

A1:  NDAA  &  Patriot Act

A2:  guns confiscated  (immiment?)

A3:  gold confiscated  (a few months away?)

Something the Founders didn't imagine would happen in their "Checks & Balances" model.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:51 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Something the Founders didn't imagine would happen in their "Checks & Balances" model.

Sure they did. That's why they said :

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment unplugged
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Ya, guess so, sadly.  Seems though that they tried to construct the 3 branch check & balance model such that it would never come down to that.  But at least they built in a good last resort.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:52 | Link to Comment Zer0head
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Actually that is exactly what the imagined, which is why they created the checks & balances. What they did not imagine is that most of their offspring would be bleeting even-toed ungulates

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:56 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Had to Google that one Zer0head. :>)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ungulate

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:40 | Link to Comment woolly mammoth
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And thanks for saving me some time.  /;-) 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:39 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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The founders certainly imagined this madness. The checks and balances was to slow down the march to tyranny. It's up to us to stop it.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:48 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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Always remember it's better to die on your feet than live on your knees

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:52 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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I think America's knees are tired and it'll soon be time to stand up.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:36 | Link to Comment duo
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how about if you die sitting on your scooter, since you can't stand due to your morbid obesity?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:51 | Link to Comment Hook Line and S...
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Hegelian dialectic in action.

Action, reaction, solution >

Gun control EO, distraction, unknown   

or

Gun control EO, insurrection, Divide and conquer

or

Gun control debate, civilian fear and distraction, Divide and conquer

hmmmm...

perhaps the 'reaction' component is something more ethereal and ungeneralized like locking the observer into a false duality (one more difficult to emancipate yourself from)

The PTB are quite flexible, and there doesn't have to be just 1 targeted outcome.

 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:50 | Link to Comment Catullus
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Why don't they start gun control where they can actually control it: disarm the dozens of federal agencies that have automatic weapons and semi-automatic weapons. Not sure why NASA needs armed guards. What about the Capitol police? Hell, go call up Mayor Bloomberg to see if the NYPD will be begin turning in their weapons.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:53 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Because gun control is about disarming the independant minded so they can be forced to do anything the government feels like doing.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:51 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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,Marx,Mao, Stalin, Lenin and now little Tin Horn Barry

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:52 | Link to Comment ShrNfr
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Azzholes. We have not had a king for 236 years now. Get with the fucking program or get gone before somebody decides to make you gone.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:56 | Link to Comment Jason T
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Charlten Heston comes to mind...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ju4Gla2odw

 

From his cold dead hands!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:25 | Link to Comment SmallerGovNow2
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Sweet, thanks for that...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment mcl2177
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Other than banning guns what could his executive order actually say.  That could be the only thing.  It would only be an executive order if it couldn't go through congress.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Hannibal
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Talk violence in movies/video games b4 infringing the US Constitution, fucking hypocritical idiots!

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:50 | Link to Comment Agent P
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"Talk violence in movies/video games b4 infringing the US Constitution, fucking hypocritical idiots!"

Before there was a 2nd amendment, there was a 1st.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:58 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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If he makes such an announcement from "the wing of the temple", then I will really take notice.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:58 | Link to Comment Zymurguy
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Biden's a "sideshow bob" distracting everyone with his little mission he's on - while the TOTUS has been behind closed doors with a team of lawyers determining every option and probability that he could use executive order to override the 2A.

I too, will not comply.  I see this as a direct move and threat against me personally and the constitution.  I truly feel threatened by the comments of the VP.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:51 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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The "I truly feel threatened" remark isn't going to keep you out of prison this time. Or your grave.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:20 | Link to Comment Zymurguy
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It will if we prevail and put them in prison or a grave first fucker.  I can't speak for others on here, only myself but I'm ready and willing to do my part to preserve the republic, our constitution and the honor of what this country was founded upon.  See, my ancestor came here about 400 fucking years ago asshole... yes, on the Mayflower.  My family has participated in the establishment of this nation and has fought in every major conflict of the interior and exterior - some of which were over a 100 years before we became a soveriegn nation.  My family has fought tyranny before when we kicked the kings men off this rock and told them to fuck off.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:58 | Link to Comment FubarNation
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'With help of the AG'.  We are fucked.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:15 | Link to Comment dexter_morgan
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The same guy that was running the guns they want to ban to Mexican thugs? Yeah.....that guy.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 08:46 | Link to Comment j0nx
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I know, he will take our guns and send them to Mexico while that dipshit Issa and Congress bleat on and on about it all the while being in on the scam. If it weren't so truly sad and pathetic it would be ironically funny.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:59 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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This fucker is trying to start a civil war in this country.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:09 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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YA THINK? Saul Alinski... collapse the country so you can rebuild it in your vision.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:22 | Link to Comment HellFish
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Why are they always so sure it will be rebuilt in THEIR vision.  Is the Free Shit Army suddenly going to develop a work ethic?  I think they're in for a little surprise when the rebuild starts.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:47 | Link to Comment DeadFinks
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The Golden Brotherhood may emerge to take control.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:42 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Once the guns are taken then they have to kill about 25 million capitalists who can't be re-educated according to Bill Ayers.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:20 | Link to Comment lolmao500
Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:50 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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I think that is the plan. Nothing else has stirred the People up. They have to have some kind of event in order to then execute the earlier EOs giving the Tyrant martial law capability.

What he is going to do is intentional, planned out and ready to go.

To create the dictatorship he has been ordered by his masters to effect, at some point, he has to roll the dice. This may be it.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:59 | Link to Comment Stonedog
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No way is Obama STUPID enough to use an executive order to violate the Second Amendment...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:06 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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Not stupid enough?

He is a dangerous mix of power-hungry, brazen and stupid.

It has been proven time and time again that intelligence seems to have a measureable cap whereas STUPIDITY is boundless.

 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:41 | Link to Comment retiringteach
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millions stood by as their lives were ruined-money, homes-and did nothing! cowards-most zh sheep included-will give up guns, say thank you

 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:24 | Link to Comment Zymurguy
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Only "stupid" in that his narcissism blinds him from seeing right from wrong and making correct decisions.  He might be a fucking genius for all I know but his "audacity" trumps that every day.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:13 | Link to Comment dexter_morgan
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What makes you think that?????

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:01 | Link to Comment bidaskspread
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This is insane. All this is doing is making people who never considered owning a gun a reason to look to buy one. We all seen those stellar drivers out there; do you really want one of these people considering buying a gun.  I picture a person cleaning their gun talking on the cell eating a big Mac.There has to be another reason for going this route; they have already taken away so many rights in a backdoor manner, why slam this in Americans face. I question motive.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:01 | Link to Comment The Grey Man
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They can have mine, BULLETS FIRST!!!!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:06 | Link to Comment Smuckers
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Coming soon to theaters: "Red White and Blue Dawn"

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment DarthVaderMentor
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The real answer is to use our individual economic power. Boycott any company that is donating to the inaugural. That'll get things started. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:27 | Link to Comment dexter_morgan
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Excellent idea!!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment Rustysilver
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Does the 2nd amendment talk about bullets. In CT, the proposal (not a law yet) is to limit the number of bullets you can buy.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:37 | Link to Comment aerojet
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The SC upheld that ammunition is covered by the right to bear arms since the arms would be useless without it.  Also, when the British came to disarm the colonists, they seized arms, powder, and ammunition. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:55 | Link to Comment Agent P
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They don't need laws for that...currently it's lack of supply that's limiting the number of bullets I can buy (5.56 at least).

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:06 | Link to Comment stormsailor
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get rid of that poodle shooter and get a real rifle.  7.62

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:08 | Link to Comment Agent P
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Please clarify x39 or x51?...because I also own the latter.  But to defend my primary choice, the 5.56x45 is a proven highly effective round despite its small size...and I do hate poodles.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 03:19 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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5.56 is fine for close work, 6.8spc is superior for mid-range engagements.  past 300 or so most any common bolt action deer rifle with a 3x9 variable scope would be more than enough for most poodles, even standards.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment Yes We Can. But...
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I believe I heard the democrat Gubner of WV state a few weeks back that there is no way he is giving up his guns...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:58 | Link to Comment MrSteve
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I can imagine any number of non-fascist state governors declaring all citizens over 21 to now be part of his state's militia and now on standby callup and therefore legally endowed with irrecusable obligations to hold firearms if they got 'em.

There are lots of legal cards up various actors' sleeves. I think a huge excise tax on ammo is what is coming.

They have proposed this stunt in Chicago where the left loves it. Illinois is having a gun rights court fight right now.

here's a quick-loading site re: Illinois concealed carry ban:

http://fox2now.com/2013/01/08/il-attorney-general-asks-court-to-review-c...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment Mi Naem
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The Blue Helmets will take them.  Prez 'O' will invite them to bolster our security during a series of dramatic catastrophes like dirty bombs, etc.  The Blue Hats will take us to secure (FEMA) areas where only they will have guns. 

Like the Superdome in New Orleans.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment SmallerGovNow2
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Blue helmets make nice targets...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:21 | Link to Comment Cman5000
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The UN can't even deal with Syria there a bunch of clowns.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:10 | Link to Comment Michelle
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Obummer can do whatever he wants, he doesn't have to worry about another re-election and can now dictate as he sees fit. Of course he'll sign an executive order to control guns and will occur immediately after he signs the executive order that he reigns supreme through God-given divine right.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:15 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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If Obama infringes upon the civil rights of Americans once again and he and his cronies attack the Second Amendment rights guaranteed to us by the Constitution, it will be one of the final nails in the coffin of liberty and freedom.  

We are doomed as a United States.  There can be only one response:  R-E-V-O-L-T

I believe our forefathers (and mothers since I represent many CCW-packing Momma-bears) would spin in their graves if American citizens simply stood by and did nothing while a tolitarian self-proclaimed "king" took over this land.  

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:15 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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This would be a large fucking mistake.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment zerotohero
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I think all Amerikans should own as many guns as they like. In fact they should go into debt more just so that they can go out every Saturday to shop for more guns and ammo. It could become a new order religion of sorts - work all week long or collect food stamps whatever it is your doing then everyone get excited cause here comes the sabbath. On Saturday jump in your GM piece of shit that you went into debt for and fill the tank with gas using your credit card, pickup a few slim jims too. Then off you go to Guns r' Us and max those mother fucking credit cards to death on some more weapons and ammo. Hell if the card goes over the limit they probably have a lay away plan for backup. Then you can head home with a sense of self worth knowing that all is truly right in the land of the Free (no pun intended). Not only have you made a contribution to the economy but you have more guns to look at (and pray to if you so wish).

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:49 | Link to Comment pursueliberty
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A good friend of mine has a preacher who buys, on average, two guns a month.

He also drive a duramax.  Not sure on the credit card thing though.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:19 | Link to Comment dexter_morgan
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It appears the 'rubber meeting the road' time is nearly upon us. What are the likely outcomes?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:26 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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America going bankrupt, cops and soldiers going home en masse... US disintegrating into several countries peacefully. And that is the BEST CASE SCENARIO.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:30 | Link to Comment dexter_morgan
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I like that scenario. Unfortunately you are likely correct - best case. Other cases likely to be rather ....... unpleasant.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:39 | Link to Comment Ignorance is bliss
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I can live with that...

 

Its certainly better then a civil war. The last one cost 625,000 lives

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:48 | Link to Comment aerojet
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Sounds okay to me.  Plus, how many cops showed up at Sandy Hook?  5000?  All those putzes did was pump the local donut shop's numbers for a couple of weeks.  They didn't accomplish the one thing that might have made a difference, which was put that motherfucker down before he could kill anyone. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:19 | Link to Comment Cman5000
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There isn't much he can do he can ban certain imports and that's about it.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:21 | Link to Comment dexter_morgan
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While that may be true in a normal world, in the bizarro world we find ourselves in it appears he can attempt to do anything he wants........till the sheeple rise up and stop it.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:21 | Link to Comment mcl2177
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Tell him that.

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