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Presenting The Working Poor Of America

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Much has been made of the slow but steady 'improvement' in the unemployment data we are treated to on a weekly and monthly basis from the hallowed eves of the BLS. Just as much has been written on the ugly under-belly of this apparent improvement with the work-force becoming dominated by older workers forced to stay in jobs for longer and an increasing downshift in the kind of jobs available and taken. To wit, Reuters cites a report from the The Working Poor Families Project that highlights the surprising levels of poverty so many Americans find themselves in. The number of low-income 'working' families has increased three straight years - and now stands at over 10.2million, with more than 46 million people living in low-income families. "Although many people are returning to work, they are often taking jobs with lower wages and less job security, compared with the middle-class jobs they held before the economic downturn," which means that nearly one in three working families in the United States is struggling to meet basic needs. Although they are often overlooked, the number of low-income working families has been increasing steadily, resulting in a shrinking middle class and challenging a fundamental assumption that in America, work pays - as we have pointed out before (at these levels, it simply doesn't thanks to the benefit availability).



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Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:00 | 3156614 Prometheus418
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Agreed.  Sucks to wait, but we're not all stupid yet.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:54 | 3156270 luckylogger
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EXACTLY ~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They want our guns for a reason and it is not to protect us !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 03:33 | 3156904 TheMerryPrankster
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The government doesn't take away guns to protect you. They take away guns to protect them.


thw whole point of government is to stay in power and keep the suckers, er citizens paying. Guns could end the government. Government must end guns for civilians.

Simple equation governments lie and use "classification " of information to hide their crimes and misdeeds.


The government doesn't take away guns to protect you. They take away guns to protect the government and prolong their tyranny.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:51 | 3156593 Prometheus418
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You said it, garcam123.

They might have stripped my silver coin away with inflation, but I kept my lead, tools and Faraday cages.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:53 | 3155791 rtalcott
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And this is 2 years old data....think it's any better now?  No...didn't think so....

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:03 | 3155809 Nid
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So <200% of Poverty Level = Low Income? Who decided that? 

Not that the Standard of Living in the US doesn't suck for does, and getting worse...but there seems to be a fundamental problem with the way we define Poverty in the US....which leads to 50 Million qulaifiying for Food Stamps, rampant SS waste and too many folks on the dole in general, which breeds more "poverty" and further erodes the Standard of Living.

If you haven't already, check out Heritage's report on Poverty in the US.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:10 | 3155824 Umh
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Believe me; the government is not going to let us run out of poor people. The government will subsidize poor people to keep the levels up.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:23 | 3155863 uncle reggie
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If the Heritage Foundation had the final word, "poverty" would be non-existant in the US. After all, it's an untidy word. Folks, like those at Heritage, would prefer not to reflect on the putrid underbelly of American economics.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:28 | 3155875 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Nid said:

there seems to be a fundamental problem with the way we define Poverty in the US

That's for sure. You've got a lot of people that are dirt poor, but almost all the welfare goes to the banks, Wall Street, and defense contractors.

....which leads to 50 Million qulaifiying for Food Stamps, rampant SS waste and too many folks on the dole in general, which breeds more "poverty" and further erodes the Standard of Living.

Made me laugh. The money going to "Food Stamps, rampant SS waste and too many folks on the dole in general" is a spit in the ocean compared to what's been given to the TBTF banks (both American and foreign), the Wall Street racketeers, and corporations whose business consists solely of sucking the teats of the Pentagon. They are the biggest welfare queens in human history. That's who is breeding more poverty and eroding the standard of living for everyone except themselves.

If you haven't already, check out Heritage's report on Poverty in the US.

I'll pass. It's just more divide and conquer propaganda to keep people fighting amongst themselves instead of seeing who is really fucking them.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:52 | 3155958 blu
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And clearly, it's working.

Next from Heritage: A report proving conclusively that poor people cause 92.3% of all anthropogenic global warming!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:27 | 3156042 moonstears
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"It's just more divide and conquer propaganda to keep people fighting amongst themselves instead of seeing who is really fucking them."+1

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:08 | 3156474 Nid
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Yes, I get're upset with the MIC and Fractional Reserve novel.
But back on point ....the facts are clear. The standard of living defined as "impoverished" in the US, describes middle class in most if the world...and in the US just 30 years ago. Yet somehow, a significant portion if these impoverished are on the dole. Meanwhile, the so-called "middle class" sees its standard of living diminished by lower wages and a highe cost if living.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:08 | 3156631 TheFourthStooge-ing
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But back on point ....the facts are clear.

Indeed they are. You're a mission poster with an agenda to advance.

What other explanation could there be for someone screaming about a mosquito on their arm while they're being ass raped with a warped shillelagh?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:30 | 3156530 akak
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TheFourthStooge-ing, you have once again distillationalized the crustiest bits of the mattering things through your skillful throating of ideas and wording of mind into an anti-offuscationalized post that is truly very something, and very worthy of the US 'american' citizenism citizen's eternal nature.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:27 | 3156675 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Just contributating my US of Americanism fairshare citizenist duty in extortionalizing the weak, dirt farming the poor, kicking the can, shifting the blame and so other things being the mantra of US of A citizens in the Mecca of US citizenism, as passed down in fabled past, not changed one bit since the inception of the US of A, 1776,July,4th.

But hey, as it is just part of US citizenism citizen eternal nature (which cannot be changed because, without that, without US citizens acting US citizen, their eternal nature would not be eternal and US citizenism would not be as US citizen does), it would not be fruitful to assign blame.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:07 | 3155818 reader2010
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Free Iphones for All in the land of the FRee.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:47 | 3155946 DFCtomm
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There has been  a change. It's no longer the land of the free. It's now the land of free.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:13 | 3155828 adr
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I was going to say, isn't 200% of the federal poverty level close to $40k. I'm surprised the map isn't a deep shade of purple almost everywhere. I think they need to update the statistics a bit.

Oh I forgot, to be counted as "working poor" you actually need to be working. 50 million or so are making $67k in benefits off .gov.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:19 | 3156502 thefedisscam
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the number you said is for a family of FOUR!

$40K for a family of FOUR is very hard. They may not pay Federal income tax, but they do need to pay pay roll tax like Social Security, Medicare and unemployment benefit, state tax, local tax... etc.

That being said, no one force them to have children

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:06 | 3156627 Prometheus418
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As noted above, that's what I make for a family of five, and I sure do pay Federal income tax.

And you're right- no one forced me to have children.  In fact, I didn't have any- I have three step kids- because I'm not a sociopath, I married their mother to ensure that the children I have been raising since they were toddlers can't be simply taken away by their biological father because of a car accident or other unforseen event.

Nothing is as simple as it looks.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:08 | 3156632 luckylogger
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My wife and I make 30k a year between us............ please explain how we are better off than folks making 67k per year..................................

We do not qualify for food stamps or any government subsidies.................

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:13 | 3155830 A Lunatic
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This chart is basically worthless...........

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:16 | 3155840 Rainman
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Looks like Oblameo's redistribution scheme ain't workin so good. But, hey, makin meth, hookin and moonshinen is still way off the gubmint fiat radar. Those kind of proprietors don't fill out no gubmint survey ever.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:19 | 3155850 Umh
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They do fill out the surveys, but the government is asking the wrong questions and if they are asked the right questions the smart ones lie.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:16 | 3155843 wisehiney
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County population just keeps on dropping. That's right, leave the lakes and rivers here in paradise to us, and move yo welfare ass into town. We'll come see you at the show sometime.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:38 | 3155851 earleflorida
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'What's a poor stiff too do?'

Quote: "Since 2008, Congress has voted to extend unemployment benefits ten [10X] times at a cost of more than $500 bln. The latest extension raised federal spending by $30 bln."

Note: The shadowy SSDI has paid out?, more in revenue-- but, what amount was masked in 2012 as the 'working-poor' go into a crazed parabolic frenzy?! Just referencing this empirical data from December/2011... SSDI paid out $10.4 bln. If my calculations are any where close, looking forward,  I'd say ~$15 bln/monthly [*just my guesstimate/ imo] beginning in the 2nd quarter of 2012 would be a realistic number! [  ] 

My math says, just these fragmented/ parceled poor stiffs will account for ~ +/- $200 bln. fiscal 2012! We shall see?

Ref:  [Chart 7- Table_31_32_33_34]


thankyou tyler

Ps. Ask yourself this... if you were cornered by a pack of rats-- which line of defense would you choose?  



Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:20 | 3155857 Jack Burton
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Obama 's gonna pay my mortgage! I ain't worried!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:26 | 3155867 uncle reggie
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Is anyone still paying the mortgage?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:22 | 3155858 Jack Burton
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Red state versus blue state! Republican versus democrat!

Looks like the elites have got the fools played off against each other while they run away with 99% of all income gains for three decades. Whose the fool now!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:51 | 3156728 Taint Boil
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Ding, Ding we got a winner! Spot on post.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:24 | 3155866 Waterfallsparkles
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Unfortunately, it will be more.  With Corporations cutting everyone's hours to under 30 per week to comply with Obama Care there will be even more People that cannot make ends meet.

Plus, the workers will have no Health Care or Retirement.  Less Tax revenue for the Government.

Sometimes grand ideas have bad consequences.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:28 | 3155878 uncle reggie
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Corps are not cutting hours to COMPLY with OCare, they're cutting hours to AVOID OCare.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:28 | 3155877 sangell
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I love heartwarming stories like this. Reminds me of old episodes of "The Rifleman" where a washed up baseball player reduced to a hard scrabble existence working the land with his son has to kill someone every week with a fusillade of bullets to stay alive.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:32 | 3155896 uncle reggie
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Indeed, a tough life it was. He, Chuck Connors I think, could pull off a lot of rounds with that fancy piece.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:29 | 3155882 madcows
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Useless map.  They should put it in context of cost of living.  What good is $100k in SF or NY, but it'd be shiteload in Alabama.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:08 | 3156005 pursueliberty
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For sure, here in parts of arkansas $60k will afford you luxuries such as a home, stay at home wife, and two newer cars in the drive.  I know someone who has that on a $42k teaching salary and a wife who makes clothing at home.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:30 | 3155885 Dapper Dan
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And more

In 1964 during his state of the union address, President Johnson declared his War on Poverty. Since then, an estimated $7 trillion has been spent on this war. The US has spent all this money to fight poverty and has not shown any great improvements (Felkins, 2001). How is it possible to spend $7 trillion on poverty and not show any improvement? The irony here is that people are considered poor due to lack of money, yet $7 trillion is used to fight poverty and still, many of these people still lack financial resources.

The USA has a poverty rate that is embarrassing compared to other rich nations throughout the world (Berliner, 2005). If you look at the chart above you can see this.

 The U.S. represents 4.5% of global population but nearly 30% of its total GDP. The 99% may not control the wealth that is concentrated in the United States, but we all benefit from the outsized role the U.S. plays in global economic, financial, and trade policy. So while we consider what reforms are necessary to rebalance our domestic wealth, we should be mindful of the conditions of those who are truly at the bottom of the global income distribution. Or we may soon find ourselves face to face with the true 99%.


Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:08 | 3156003 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Dapper Dan said:

In 1964 during his state of the union address, President Johnson declared his War on Poverty. Since then, an estimated $7 trillion has been spent on this war.

Damn, that's almost as much as was spent on the 2008 racketeer rescue fund.

How is it possible to spend $7 trillion on poverty and not show any improvement?

Agreed. Furthermore, how is it possible to spend $7 trillion on bankster bailouts and not show any improvement (or convictions, for that matter)?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:00 | 3156281 luckylogger
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You hit it right on the nose and these guys are the same ones saying that veterans living on the streets are just trash, after they protected the fat cats wonderful way of life....................... What is the bonus for a veteran protecting the country for a year compared to a bankers bonus for ripping off the public................... just thinkin'........................

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 01:45 | 3156819 Jugdish
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Do us all a favor and don't think. Turn your fukin gun in. Thinking isn't allowed. OBEY.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:16 | 3156321 Northern Lights
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That $7 trillion went towards creating more bureacracies to deal with the poor.  You didn't expect that they'd just go out and give people a cheque did you? What they did was create more government jobs to employ people to disburse this money to the poor.  

In my city it was found that in 2010, each homeless person cost the city $50,000.  Problem was, of every $1 doled out, $0.90 went towards the salary of the government employee case worker and other admin costs.  Only the remaining $0.10 actually went to help the homeless person.  This amounted to free food and a cot at the local shelter.

Around here they call it the Poverty Industry.  It's sickening.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:31 | 3155893 Chartist
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The vast majority of the employment gains have accrued to the top 1%.  Employers either pay a living wage, or pay a much higher income tax to make up for those who don't pay a tax because that employer doesn't pay enough.....The situation is truly binary. 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:49 | 3156103 Umh
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WTF; they were not unemployed to begin with.....................

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:34 | 3155903 Rot-10
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Unfortunately for Tilson and Ackman, the Blue states are all selling for


Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:40 | 3155927 Genève Barbegazi
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There's gotta be a contingency plan for when the poor come marching with pitchforks. The country club elites are going to get full bourgeoise treatment while the real evil mofos go to ground at the Denver airport and we all get fuckin torched....riddle me fuckin that!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:56 | 3155960 The 22nd Prime
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Well, if all you're bringing to the fight is a pitchfork then your ass is gonna get smoked pretty fast around here.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:48 | 3156259 Overfed
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Why do ya' think they want our guns?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:48 | 3155948 unwashedmass
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actually crime pays better.....especially bank fraud. 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:50 | 3155953 A Lunatic
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Looks like America is overrun with lazy, good for nothin' Greeks...........

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:06 | 3155995 Skip
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Jobs, as with the stimulus jobs, go to Obama and the elite's favorites:

December Jobs: Hispanics And Immigrants Are The Only Winners. And an Immigration Moratorium Could Have Cut Unemployment In Half.

Hispanics are 16% of the labor force but they received 60% of the jobs created in the past year.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:17 | 3156023 Spastica Rex
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Oregon: the Alabama of the West Coast.

Apologies to anyone from Alabama.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:24 | 3156035 W74
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I'm not a cartographer or anything, but it looks like the states with high percentages of blacks (the south, Mississippi being the highest) and/or hispanics (in New Mexico being over half the population) are also the most darkly shaded.

Another guess is that if Maryland and Virginia didn't have so many gub'mint jobs they'd each be a shade darker as well. The same goes, perhaps, for parts of New England and NYC and NJ have more social problems than their stand-alone economic statistics would have you believe.

Appalachia and the Northern Rockies?  Well everyone knows that mountainous areas are hard to develop economically, but at least they're mostly peaceful areas to live in with some nice quiet communities.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:28 | 3156047 Tombstone
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The Dictator's plan of income redistribution is working very well.  The middle is being hallowed out as more are driven into the bread lines.  Thus, they become wards of the socialist state of equalized utopia for all and the majority becomes the new slave class, dependent on big government for generations. 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:56 | 3156058 BanjoDoug
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This map is nothing new.   Many of the light blue states are ones with lots of high income families which offsets the lower ones....   and many of them have very few blacks (Kansas, Wyoming, etc), and most of them have low welfare rolls.   On the other hand the darker blue states have lots of blacks on welfare, and the average family income is lower, but the cost of living is lower too, esp housing.   I am not trying to be radically insensative, I am just stating the obvious (I have lived in many of these states).   Regardless of PC-ness, large cities with large black/minority populations have high social & welfare costs.    Educational reform, equal opportunity, preferential hiring has not changed any of this since LBJ, but probaly gotten worse.   I am persoanlly tired of paying taxes for all this social experimentation & entitlements designed to buy votes - either work, go to the poor farm, or starve.....   its a free choice.

P.S. The Liberal Democrats have re-enslaved most blacks and many other minorities, promising a better life, education, etc, BUT NEVER DELIVERING, & they never will - it's the worst crisis in America, far bigger than gun control, pro or con.....

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 03:34 | 3156903 Flatchestynerdette
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The light blue states are generally racial homogenous with the exception of Chicago and the cities. Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut, Massecheusetts, mostly white. New York? It has the financial district - Manhattan - without it, NY would be a wasteland of nothingness. Pennsylvannia has the Amish and a lot of farming (same could be said for upstate NY). Ohio? Farmland outside the heterogenous cities. North and South Dakota have farmland and the Native American reservations and (sorry for non-PC) they get a lot of federal money. Native Americans on the reservation though are really at the worst end of the scale and something needs to be done there. No more casinos but the drug use and the poverty is so sad. I don't have an answer and these people are weddedd to that land. It is their spiritual home. They can't leave. Its like leaving part of themselves if they did and then they'd get into more problems in the cities. Awful. No easy answers there.

Wyoming, Montana, Utah? Skiing and vacation. Anyone know what a home in Teton Village costs now? $1.4 million and that might be a time share.

Now let's get to the south. Its historically always been agricultural/fishing.  Besides the african american population, this was where the clothing industries/fabric industries were located. The first to leave was back in the 80s to Mexico for cheaper labor and the "Look for the Union Label" song was made. Then Mexico got too high and Clinton signed South America along with China into the WTO - whoosh went the sound of all industries.

See the poor guy who's company went out of business making furniture in the USA (he was visited by Obama during the campaign). Was it that we didn't want furniture in from the USA or was it that the price wasn't right or was it the selection?

Right to work states have nothing to do with it. The problem is there's nothing to work at. Making little phones is still cheaper to do in China or Cambodia.

AND - many of the southern/western states are dealing with 3 groups: wites/blacks/ and immigrants who come and go. This last group scales the scores of schools downward as they leave the number of kids taking the test is less and so the average is condensed. Also, there's not much high tech/oil/fabrication going on in New Mexico. Heck, Virgin Airlines made a great spaceport and its beautiful but it sits there waiting for the spaceplanes.

Once we get the technology, all that land we have in the lower areas of the USA will be used to get us into space - until then? We're eeking by. If people want a better life? Please go to one of the light blue states.


Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:35 | 3156063 reTARD
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<----- Oh boy... and blue is my favorite color!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:35 | 3156065 Alhazred
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In the words of the great Mel Brooks "Fuck the Poor!"


There i said it.   ;)


Anywho, anyone else see that finally went live today?

Pretty good reading for us poor hating cigar smoking cognac drinking capitalists

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:35 | 3156066 Alhazred
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In the words of the great Mel Brooks "Fuck the Poor!"


There i said it.   ;)


Anywho, anyone else see that finally went live today?

Pretty good reading for us poor hating cigar smoking cognac drinking capitalists

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 10:06 | 3157299 Watauga
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Still another pompous, arrogant, pretentious little bitch.  Wake up.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:48 | 3156258 sethstorm
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Yet a whole lot of these poverty states are also Right to Work states.   There might be some truth to the Right to Work For Less idea after all.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 03:14 | 3156329 steelrules
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Looking at the map above made me think of the GINI index, and how long till there's a revolt.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:23 | 3156337 Falconsixone
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Am I BLUE....Am I BLUE....YES I'M BLUE....YES I'M BLUE...... BECAUSE OF JEW...........

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:27 | 3156346 Falconsixone
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brb .. I gotta put more dung on the fire

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:40 | 3156385 newengland
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It is not the jews you should worry about. It is your compliance with Big Brother state Nazis of the bankster sort who are gentile as well as jew.

Confuse and conquer: that is the way of the age old powerbroker New Feudalists who have done this for centuries, and hate the Constitution, founded by the refuseniks who just said 'no' to debt servitude. 

You say 'yes', apparently.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:26 | 3156342 batterycharged
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I keep hearing about this welfare. Can someone point me to the welfare line so I can quit my min wage job with no benefits already?

I hear a bunch of whining, but I don't qualify for ANY welfare and I'm $10K under the poverty limit.

Please, all you so informed people, tell me where this welfare is.

The state of Michigan in which I live created asset limits on food stamps, so because i have more than $5k in a retirement fund, I don't qualify.

And food stamps are the only thing which I could qualify for.

They also limited welfare to just 4 years...for life. And decreased the unemployment benefits to 22 weeks, 4 weeks less than the next lowest.

If I didn't work, I'd be living in the streets. Well then I'd qualify for something...

Someone needs to do some recalculations because I don't see all this available welfare...aside from GE getting tax breaks and Goldman getting a whole new building at tax payer cost.


Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:54 | 3156375 newengland
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All this bureaucratic talk is bull$hit. The working poor American born person gets nothing unless s/he begs for it.

All wrong. All unconstitutional.

CONgress and Wall Street get everything. See O'BOMB'a pass a law this past week giving them all armed guards for life, yet claiming that guns are bad. See Clinton going to Haiti, and little of the money raised helped Haitians. See their ways continue the Bush legacy of cross and bones: money for the rich, and poverty for everyone else.

They are Nazis, and follow the Nazi playbook: disarm the people, make them willing debt slaves. See this:

The House slave is no better than the field slave.




Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:23 | 3156647 Prometheus418
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You sound like a white fella.  Maybe if you cultivated a drug addiction?

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 09:49 | 3161826 Goner
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First of all I agree 100% with your views on corp welfare.

The rest of your post seems off. You complain that you don't qualify since you have a retirement fund, so take your money out. This allows you to qualify (if that's your goal) Its not like leaving your money in a retirement account for the bankers and your financial adviser to play with is a great idea anyhow.

And then you seem to complain you can ONLY get welfare for 4 years?

And unemployment benefits were slashed to 22 weeks? I am no expert on Michigan's unemployment but from what I can see its way more than 22 weeks

It looks like it goes in stages and you auto-magically move from stage to stage if you qualify. The stages are 20 weeks, 14 weeks, 13 weeks, 6 weeks and at that point it seems you move to Federal Unemployment so its not like it stops even after 53 weeks. Or it least that how it seems to me from reading the link below


Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:29 | 3156348 newengland
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Look very closely at that map. No surrender, and I am very sorry for those who surrendered to Big Brother, drugs, spendthrifts, hateful democratic ways whereby Big Brother loves you and exploits you.

The USA was founded as a Republic, one for all, and all for one. It was not meant to be that extremist hateful thing: a democracy whereby the majority rules and bludgeons everyone else into submission because its pretty pet politicos and banksters wish it so, for their enrichment.

Long live the Republic, and the rest of you should learn to do so too. When all is said and done, there is usually more said than done. 

Government hates you. That is all you need to know. Get up off your knees.

Learn the Constitution. Defend it. Defend your community, and the Republic of the USA which is most hated by the old world of monarchists, banksters, despots and oligarchs.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 01:15 | 3156779 Carnegie_IB
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before one can be free, they must first see the cage that they are inside.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 03:40 | 3156912 August
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"Government hates you."

It's really more contempt than hatred.  You are unwashed, out of the loop, knowing not the Right People.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:53 | 3156431 laomei
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Obviously, the poverty guidelines are set too high.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:25 | 3156519 MeBizarro
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I see the racist trash is out on force on this topic as I figured they would with some of the usual suspects. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 01:11 | 3156766 Carnegie_IB
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Education in my humble opinion is a process and more about learning how to learn as opposed to "what is learned". We homeschool our children because we can take a more active role in their learning experience.  

Just like many [non scalable] things in life, you get something from what you put into it. However, with the growth in [scalable] ways to make money, it appears the socio economic divide is getting larger. Since [Scalable] ways to make money do not directly relate to time and effort relative the outcome, more and more results are "winner take all" outcomes residing in fewer and fewer hands. There are too many Black Swans. 

I myself find it challenging to increase predicitibilty in the art of market speculation, and have found 100's of ways that don't work. 

The trend is your friend until it stops working, or goes sideways, which tends to happen often. 

My apologies for straying off the topic, but I am hopeful the post can add value to whomever may benefit. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 02:24 | 3156856 plata pura
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health care and education be right and mandate; protectionism void of contestation be the singlemostest missing ingredient for these states united' followed by the killing of citizens united. the unfettered capitalist has gutted this republik whilst the multinational trust monopolies made sure it would never again make shine in the city upon the hill.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 08:44 | 3157077 Mi Naem
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Sir, you've had a few too many.  Please, step awaaaayy from the keyboard. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 02:51 | 3156879 plata pura
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puts a bee in my bonnet, this subject does. the private general ratio is very importante. tommy paine once made pamphlet on the subject of mass wealth and power passed down by generations "a line can spawn a jackass" many many of the states made law against franchisement of more than two. these states united funded it's representative government by tariff alone...... then came foking reagen and the flat earth free trade war in perpetuity toss pots bush's, deregulator of cds clinton and the reagen incarnate obama. the osiris chariot of 1997ce followed by the bull dogging kachina of 11/2013ce ends these fast tracking 4th turnings; however what follows

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 03:05 | 3156884 akak
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That sure was one circuitous stream of consciousness!

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