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The Rise Of America's Lunatic Fringe

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The Rise Of America's Lunatic Fringe

Anyone who spends any amount of time on the internet has seen them.

They are the moonbats, the wingnuts, the whackjobs, the Conspiratorialists.  They are America’s new Lunatic Fringe, and their numbers are growing.

While the rise of the internet fed a segment of society that has always existed, when the cyberworld became an increasingly important source both of entertainment and information, an entirely new demographic joined what was already amongst us.

Who are they and what do they believe?  The Lunatic Fringe is not uniform in either its background or beliefs.  Some clearly seem to be emotionally disturbed.  Some are racist and hateful.  Others are simply naïve and gullible, or uninformed.  Still more are frustrated by an economy and a government that are behaving out of whack with what most people expected from life and from leadership.  They want to believe America stands for something noble, but it is increasingly felt by them that it does not.  They are confused, frustrated, and disappointed.  They feel violated and betrayed.  They grow angrier by the day.  Some harbor a diffuse rage which could blow at any time. Others have figuratively thrown in the towel and have joined the ranks of what are called Preppers and Survivalists.

Collectively, though individually they differ, the beliefs of the Fringe conspiracies behind the JFK assassination, the lunar landing, and 911.  The collective also includes the Birthers, and believers in everything from FEMA Camps to chemtrails to that retro old favorite of Colonel Jack Ripper, fluoridation.  The Fringe holds beliefs that have the world controlled variously by the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the Bilderbergers, Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones, the Council on Foreign Relations, 33rd Degree Freemasons, the Vatican, the Queen of England, or just The Illuminati.  Every event and every incident in the world is affected by some Master Plan carried out by whomever the believer chooses from the aforementioned gallery of rogues.  For many, al Qaeda is really al CIAda, and the prime directive of that organization, along with all the other USG alphabet agencies, is to further the goals of the elite, usually through some “false flag” operation or “psy-op”, and funded through illicit drug sales.

Believers can “prove” each and every one of their claims via a series of cross-referenced and circular internet links, the source of many undoubtedly just someone’s fertile imagination, but very real to the believers.

To the uninitiated this all seems rather humorous, albeit slightly unsettling.  It would be both wrong and unwise, however, just to slough it off as the ramblings of the insane.  The reason such beliefs are gaining favor is because many Americans have lost faith and lost trust in the government and America’s elected leadership.  Given what has happened over the last decade, this is not only understandable, it is even, in an odd way, reasonable.  A continual drift to the fringe can be expected because of the many very real things that make the foolish things suddenly more believable.

Why have the people lost faith and trust?  There is a host of reasons, perhaps beginning with the war of choice in Iraq and the vociferous and passionate claims of WMD that turned out to be false.  That war cost lives, cost sympathy and diplomatic capital, and cost trillions even when America was told by former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz that the war “would pay for itself from oil sales” and that “Americans would be welcomed with garlands”.  Neither was anything close to accurate.  Instead the US has war dead, war wounded, a huge bill, fewer friends, and many more enemies.

What truly exacerbated the rush to the fringe were the Financial Crisis and the subsequent railroaded bailouts, which “democratic”
America opposed to the tune of 97%, and which were, and still are viewed as rewarding the very people who caused the collapse.  The oft-spoken official claims that “the taxpayer made a profit on the bailouts” just adds salt to the taxpayers’ wounds, as it conveniently fails to take into account the host of programs---from TALF to ZIRP to QEI, II, and III and Twist---that virtually handed the banks the money with which they could “pay back” the bailout cash.

America sees backroom deals and favors to insiders every step of the way, and rightfully so they see this, because that is exactly how the bailout was affected.  No one had to pay for his mistakes, and equally significant, no one has been prosecuted despite overwhelming evidence of fraud, malfeasance, and corruption.  Americans cannot help but subscribe to the cynical quip, “everyone is equal under the law, except for those who are above it”.  Fines don't count, especially when the money to pay them comes right back through another door.

America's prisons are filled with people who did little more than use a banned substance.  It's time some bankers and officials faced the possibility of similar accommodations, as their crimes are greater and victims substantially more.

The belief that all is not fair is further cemented when the Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer can be taped (PBS, “Frontline”) saying, "Well, I think I am pursuing justice. And I think the entire responsibility of the department is to pursue justice. But in any given case, I think I and prosecutors around the country, being responsible, should speak to regulators, should speak to experts, because if I bring a case against institution A, and as a result of bringing that case, there’s some huge economic effect — if it creates a ripple effect so that suddenly, counterparties and other financial institutions or other companies that had nothing to do with this are affected badly — it’s a factor we need to know and understand."

No matter how one parses that quote it still says the same thing: some are above the law.

The American people are well aware they have been lied to by the leadership.  They know that a lobbyist has an infinitely greater chance of getting his way than an entire nation of voters.  They know who pays the bills---the taxpayer---as well as who pays the politicians---the lobbyists.  They see the Federal Debt ballooning to Greek-like proportions, and the best Congress can do, other than take vacation or kick the can, is to tell Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke to “get to work, Mr. Chairman”, which means print more money, monetize the deficit, and further dilute the value of the dollar.

Even some people within the government are undoubtedly growing frustrated.  Imagine someone in DEA, FBI, CIA, or the military, who sees the slap on the wrist fine handed to a certain non-US bank for a decade or more of drug money laundering and laundering money for Iran, some of which might well have found its way to Hezbollah or to parties aiding the Iraqi insurgency.  There are people in Waziristan who face the wrath of a drone-fired Hellfire missile with less evidence to back up the attack.  This bank, incidentally, received a $3.5 billion payment-in-full upon the US taxpayer bailout of insurer AIG.

When trust is gone, everything becomes an affront, a conspiracy, a power grab by the elite.  The recently passed National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which gives the President incredibly broad powers, seems to obviate both habeas corpus and the entire Bill of Rights.  When the trust is gone, people are less willing to believe that such a bill would never be used recklessly, or vindictively to put down vocal opponents of whatever Administration happens to be in power at the time.  When trust is gone, the people question new efforts to alter the Second Amendment, even if many are personally outraged at the rash of gun violence that has come to epitomize the United States, so they rush to guns rather than run from them.  When the trust is gone, the message of the Lunatic Fringe is afforded greater reception.  When the trust is gone the Fringe grows into the mainstream.  When trust is gone in some aspects of governance, all governance is questioned.

The government can no longer afford to ignore the Lunatic Fringe, because it is becoming less loon and more understandably and righteously indignant every day.  The government did not create the Fringe, but through callous disregard, incompetence, blatant self-interest, cronyism, selective enforcement, and pandering to its financial support base, the government has fertilized the fringe until it has grown to redwood-like size.  The nation's leadership is viewed not with respect, but with distrust.  It is not the solution, but the problem.  It has morphed from friend to enemy, at least for a not insignificant portion of the citizenry.   The fringe is not going to go away, but instead it will grow.  Its wounds will fester.  It will continue to hammer away at an already fragile society.  It may well lead to significant social unrest, even violence, and that violence is likely to be directed at those seen as responsible for the fiscal, financial and moral decay, which means the elite and the government that is seen as catering to it.  New records in the Dow will not alter the focus, nor ameliorate the bubbling rage, even if the financial media or the Federal Reserve thinks it will.  This growing demographic of citizens must have its concerns addressed before it is too late.

Woe to those who ignore it, because they will become the targets, rightfully or not.

To paraphrase a certain career New York Senator, “Mr. Government, get to work!”  Or better yet, get out of the way.

 


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Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:03 | Link to Comment TahoeBilly2012
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Right. Count me in. My Mom forwarded me the link to Project For New American Century back in like 2002 or so and as many who viewed it like me, predicted just about everything that happened in the Mid East since. This guy is a wanker. I don't think every theory is true, but way too damn many agenda's stink to high heaven.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:06 | Link to Comment Everyman
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What a crappy article.  ZH is better than this.  We are a much more enlightened "Lunatic Fringe".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9tOR4On8Uk

 

The "Founding Fathers" were also "Lunatic Fringe".  What a crappy crappy article.

The reason such beliefs are gaining favor is because many Americans have lost faith and lost trust in the government and in America’s elected leadership.  Given what has happened over the last decade, this is not only understandable, it is even, in an odd way, reasonable.

Reasonable is "odd" in this moron's mind?

 

The belief that all is not fair is further cemented when the Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer can be taped (PBS, “Frontline”) saying, "Well, I think I am pursuing justice. And I think the entire responsibility of the department is to pursue justice. But in any given case, I think I and prosecutors around the country, being responsible, should speak to regulators, should speak to experts, because if I bring a case against institution A, and as a result of bringing that case, there’s some huge economic effect — if it creates a ripple effect so that suddenly, counterparties and other financial institutions or other companies that had nothing to do with this are affected badly — it’s a factor we need to know and understand."

No matter how one parses that quote it still says the same thing: some are above the law.

Then there is a need for revolution and protestations either peaceful or non peaceful.  There is another issue when some group like DHS needs 7000 fully automatic rifles, all the while the congress criminals want to take my semi auto and 30 round mags???  Silver is out, 5.56 ammo is out, and AR-15s are sold out, what does that tell you?

The "Lunatic Fringe" is not the "Fringe" they are the majority, and the "real Lunatic Fringe" in currently in control of the Government, and they are corrupt criminals and all need to forfeit there lives for the damages they have done to this country and the idea of a Republic of libverty..

 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:22 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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My guess is that this is what you see as people wake up.

+ 1

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 05:44 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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i think so, mr. bearing.  this may actually be his honest thoughts.  he has moved some.  may move some more.  this from his article is positive (call it the fringe, call it the vanguard):




When the trust is gone the Fringe becomes the mainstream.


 


 

The government can no longer afford to ignore the Lunatic Fringe, because it is becoming less loon and more understandably and righteously indignant every day.  The government did not create the Fringe, but through callous disregard, incompetence, blatant self-interest, cronyism, selective enforcement, and pandering to its financial support base, the government has fertilized the fringe until it has grown to redwood-like size. 

 

 

 

 

 

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:07 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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So the NSALQAEDA gets to publish their drivel here now too?? Must be part of that Fairness Doctine bullshit.......

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 20:23 | Link to Comment mkhs
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Talk about lunatic fringe...

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:07 | Link to Comment Poor Grogman
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About the only thing useful the government has done is create a growing awareness of how corrupt the world actually is.

The only ones not in the lunatic fringe these days, are those still profiting from the final days of the global debt ponzi.

Oh by the way the article didn't mention the " GLOBAL DEBT PONZI"!!!

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:08 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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i'm not a fan of this article but "Chindit" is a frequent commentor on here right? I think it's awesome that Tyler frequently hands over the mic to his viewers.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:21 | Link to Comment astoriajoe
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When i searched for comments from chindit, i didnt see any at all. Just sayin. Maybe big sis should go quick create some.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:50 | Link to Comment UP Forester
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Haven't been many lately.

He's obviously been at (re-education) camp.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 12:43 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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The link would be

http://www.zerohedge.com/search/user_comments

but you won't find any comments if they were made prior to December 2012. You used to be able to search for comments going back as far as 2009, but something changed recently (a couple weeks ago or so) and now the search results only go back to December.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:11 | Link to Comment akak
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I also noticed that almost all of Chindit's past comments have been mysteriously and suspiciously deleted.

It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:05 | Link to Comment brown_hornet
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Look under chindit39

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 07:02 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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or maybe I am delusional. It's certainly possible.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:59 | Link to Comment delacroix
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chindit 13   ?

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:07 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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Trust is what took the real hit in '08.  It is not regained by doing more of the same (corrupt) thing that got you in the situation in the first place.

The magic trick only works if you can't see how the magician is doing it.  I keep wanting to ask Bernanke, BLS, DOL  and others "do you think I can't see what you're doing?"  Wall St. trying to convince me THEY believe the trick the whole time, so I should too. 

I'm not fooled, yet you ask me to trust you that it will eventually make me believe it.  It won't, no matter how many times you pull that rabbit out of your hat.  I'm not fooled.  I can see you doing it.  So can WAY too many other people.  And more than that, I can see those same entities trying to fool me not believing it either.

You're done, gentlemen.  Exit the stage.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:09 | Link to Comment ReptilianSlaveMaster
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ZeroHedge should start selling guns on their site, my commune and myself are stocking up against Obama's debt brother liberation army

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:08 | Link to Comment Freddie
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ZeroHedge should start selling guns on their site..

LOL!  Well the Tyler(s) are smart and resourceful but good luck finding a supply of guns to sell.  Ammo is probably worse.  :-(

Hope & Tyranny.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:23 | Link to Comment RebelDevil
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A more practical alternative is to have ZH link up sites that host open-source gun designs that aren't hard to make.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:25 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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why should I care if somebody "launders"(whatever in the fuck govt doublespeak that is) $ for Iran? as far as i can tell we still owe them for getting rid of their democratically elected prez and putting that torturing POS CIA puppet Shah in power. but hey-as long as Hebeywood and Ben Asslick can put out propaganda like "Argo" so lazy Americans can learn world history by watching 120 minutes of garbage-it's all good

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:27 | Link to Comment Gimp
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"Torture" is so 2000. It is "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" now.

A wet towel over the mouth and nose is still a wet towel...just saying

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:14 | Link to Comment Cabreado
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No.

Awareness and lost trust does not drive one to lunacy.

The lunacy comes in the lies and debauchery phase.
Fostered, encouraged even, at best overlooked.

This is a strange article.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:19 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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This is a strange article.

 

Agreed.  I wonder how many posters here who are condemning it realize they are affirming what it says?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:00 | Link to Comment RebelDevil
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From the viewpoint of MSM and it's followers - Yeah, this article is a 100% confirmed!
Maybe that was the point of this.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:14 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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Maybe the point was to say "hey all you MSM and sheeple that think that people who believe this or that are "looneys" - take a look at what you're spewing!"  Maybe the mainstream is the intended audience here - that they are becoming the Lunatic Fringe because their "stories" are less credible than the "conspiracies" they dismiss.

If you ever read the comments on a CNBC post, the commenters rip 'em to shreds & call 'em out on all the slant, lies, and bad assumptions in their "journalism".  The MSM is not blind to their weaknesses.  Their tactic is to pretend those weaknesses don't exist.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:54 | Link to Comment RebelDevil
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True. I also agree that MSM doesn't give a shit about truth, even if they are aware of their fallacies. If they did, they may be dead or unemployed; that is since our own enemies own them.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:15 | Link to Comment astoriajoe
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Worst article I've ever read on ZH. Just sayin.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:23 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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The Only way to evade the Lunacy is to run off to Bangladesh and start an ostrich farm. -Simon Black-

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:44 | Link to Comment e_goldstein
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and a watch collection (sorry, that never gets old).

On a similiar note:

FUCK YOU, BERNANKE!

 

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:17 | Link to Comment flacorps
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When we refuse to listen to "reason" this will be declared a "hate" site and google will stop indexing it. The post is a trojan horse.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:27 | Link to Comment astoriajoe
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Does anyone come here from a google search?

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:44 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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One day I just happened to google "fuck you bernanke" and I've been here ever since.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:42 | Link to Comment Freddie
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LOL!

F Google - they support The Matrix for Oba-MAO. 

 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:03 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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Hi Freddie, I agree, and somehow we need to disassemble their matrix.  BTW- Weren't Bill Ayres and Bernardine Dohrn from the Weather Underground considered "lunatic fringe" 50 years ago?  Now they have direct ties to the WH.  So who's crazy?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:58 | Link to Comment Renfield
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<Renfield hands Freddie a "U", a "C", and a "K", in case he feels like expanding on the above.>

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:40 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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welcome to the fringe.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:15 | Link to Comment Room 101
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Here's some more "lunatic fringe" stuff from Market Ticker:

"Jack Lew MUST NOT Be Treasury Secretary

Bet you didn't know what's hidden in The Gun Control Act of 1968.

The Treasury Secretary is vested of the right to ban importation of any firearm he finds "does not have a sporting purpose."

While this authority is "currently" delegated to the BATFE, it doesn't have to remain delegated. In fact, there is nothing legislative about that delegation to the best of my knowledge, which means it can be revoked by pure fiat.

Jack Lew, the person most-likely to be nominated to replace Geithner, is Obama's current Chief of Staff.  As such it must be presumed that he will do whatever Obama wants, within the limit of his statutory authority.

And that authority includes the ability to ban the import of any gun."

http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=215794

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:36 | Link to Comment Iocosus
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Ironically, the 1968 bill plagiarizes the Nazi bill of 1938 introduced by Friend's of Angelo's dad.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:42 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Well they haven't managed to ban poverty, drugs, stupidity, terrorism, illegal immigration, or anything else. In fact most who fall into one (or more) of those categories are rewarded for their unlawfulness through many means such as free healthcare, free food, better jobs, free phones, money, weapons, political appointments........The list goes on I'm sure. So Hell yes, ban my guns, it's about time I got sumpin 2...........

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:17 | Link to Comment EmmittFitzhume
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Cell phones produce radio waves that they DON'T cause cancer.  Obama may NOT have been born in Hawaii.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:36 | Link to Comment max2205
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There are 300 alquida. Sp. and we've been fighting them since Clinton.

Guess what, we still have not killed them all

Dod spent 3 trillion and still have not killed off this fictional enemy

How's that truth

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:16 | Link to Comment Godspeed You-Se...
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If you're not a conspiracy theorist than you're just a coincidence theorist.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:13 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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One person's conspiracy theory is just another (less lazy) person's understanding of the importance of due diligence.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 04:52 | Link to Comment All Risk No Reward
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The Tricium is the method used my Socrates to determine fact from fiction.

1. Grammar - Get relevant data and understand the context that surrounds it.  Who, What, Where When in Context.

2. Logic - Apply logic to the data and identfy and remove both contradictions and fallacies.  Why.

3. Rhetoric - Logically and rationally explain grammar, logic and the resulting conclusion.  How.

The research must come before the conclusion.

Most people have been duped into falling for one of a myriad of fallacies that convinces people they know things without doing the research.

All conspiracy theories are not conspiracy facts that are easily provable.  But some are - like the Federal Reserve lying about a fictional dual mandate to hide the face they criminally took credit exponential to GDP contrary to the Federal Reserve Act's Section 2A requirement to keep the two commensurate with each other.

That's a bullseye conspiracy, but this author won't pick it up.  He's scared of it.  Frightened to even entertaiin the idea of this fact being real.

He's not alone - most people can't handle the truth.

But that doesn't change the truth - and that's a bitter lesson the wilfully ignorant will learn indue time.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 06:13 | Link to Comment UP Forester
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Um, I think you mean "Trivium"....

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 23:31 | Link to Comment All Risk No Reward
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Yes - thanks for correcting the typo.

TriviumEducation.com

Search "Trivium Binder"

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:17 | Link to Comment adr
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What the hell? I would say the lunatic fringe is every analyst and talking head that appears on CNBC. Not the guy that says flouride is essentially mind control.

What is more plausible? That stocks can go up forever and profits don't matter because you can make it up with revenue, or that the defense department added flouride to the water to dumb down people so they could be eaiser controlled during the atomic scare?

That increasing margins is good even if your profit went negative, or certain elected officials were assasinated for attempting to out the practices of the central banks?

Seriously, yes there are lunatic consipiracies, but just open a dman history book. Most conspiracies were proved to be correct years later. There's know way the government would fire on a US Navy ship to start a war, well it happened. Washington didn't know about Pearl Harbor, yes they did. Lucitania, ferry boat sinkings, and dozens of other examples in the past 100 years all told to be agressive atacks by the enemy, all found to be planned by the governments involved to start conflicts.

Lunatic fringe? Maybe if you still believe George Washington chopped down a cherry tree, Ben Franklin invented electricity, and Johnny Appleseed planted trees across America, and some black guy tunnelled through a mountain faster than guys with dynamite.

Who wrote this article, Cramer's ass boy?

Nearly every 8th grader in America believes that crap and is told its true over and over again. Many graduate high school still thinking a dude with circle glasses put a key on a rope and flew a kite in a thunderstorm.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:29 | Link to Comment Everyman
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I would say the lunatic fringe is every analyst and talking head that appears on CNBC. Not the guy that says flouride is essentially mind control.

I need to write that one down and SO DOES EVERYBODY ELSE.  Tht is the most sane thing NOT said by Sanitelli

 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 05:07 | Link to Comment All Risk No Reward
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2.5 PPM is correlated to a 7% reduction in IQ and a 3.5 PPM is correlated with an increase in mental retardation from 3% to over 22%.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-gran...

That's a Harvard study, people.  If you want to see the actual results, Google Scholar the title of the article and the first link should be a ",doc" file with the relevant data I cited above.

The gang bankster minions in government approached the EPA and asked them to approve 4 PPM!

http://www.nteu280.org/Issues/Fluoride/NTEU280-Fluoride.htm

Read the document.  It is fascinating and well documented.

Compare that document to anything presented by the trillion dollar "establishment" and its efforts to promote fluoride.  They can't put together a document like that because their case is based on fallacies, not reality.

Funny how "conspiracy theorists' cite the research and present their sources while the "non conspiratorial" establishment rely on logical fallacies like appeal to authority and appeal to popularity to support their views.

Learn the fallacies, people.

42 Fallacies

http://blog.talkingphilosophy.com/?p=2139

You can't identify what you don't know exists.

Perhaps the most important lesson I learned in government social engineering camp was in 3rd grade.  I answered a math problem with the answer and submitted my work.  My teacher returned the paper and marked the answer wrong.  I was stunned because the answer was right.  She responded...

"I don't care what your answer is, I WANT TO KNOW HOW YOU ARRIVED AT THAT ANSWER."

When you start asking people HOW THEY ARRIVED AT A GIVEN ANSWER, you will find out that many people know absolutely nothing about it other than some "authority" (well financed and promoted by the money defining and creating class, no doubt) told them it was true.  In other words, they know nothing.

I'll close quoting Eisenhower:

"The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money (money defining and money creating class is the pinnacle of the "power of money" that is to be gravely regarded) is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite."

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 10:15 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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i had a 2nd grade teacher like that.    best education i ever received.   interesting how certain small apparently insignificant events resonate in the consciousness.    i bet ya there's a bunch of adults running around NYC that have similar memories about Mr. Gatto.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 11:34 | Link to Comment Dapper Dan
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Critical Thinking

 

Even the Schools do not encourage Critical thinking. For Science Fairs they don't want new ideas, they want you to do something from a book or a web site.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:14 | Link to Comment Non Passaran
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As far as I can tell chindit doesn't deny the manipulation.
He denies the existence elaborate & contradictory conspiracy theories.
The politicians and banksters sure manipulate the market.
Who wouldn't? They're doing it because they can. It's simple.
In order to get reelected, why wouldn't I sell my services to the whoever?
That's a no brainer choice for psychopaths. Still, not a conspiracy.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:24 | Link to Comment Gimp
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FutureWorld - "If  you have an opinion or a single thought, you're probably a terrorist, turn yourself in now"

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:32 | Link to Comment Dr. Bonzo
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Yo ZH... if I wanted to read Huffpo, I'd just go read Huffpo. Who the fuck is in charge of editorial content around here, cause you jus dun drop the motherfucking ball son.

I'd be really interested to hear from someone in-house what the justification was for posting this fucking claptrap here.

 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:19 | Link to Comment ZeroAvatar
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Dr. Bonzo sed:  "what the justification was for posting this fucking claptrap here."

 

People are always searching for new ideas to write about.  Denninger steals at least 1/2 his ideas for his content from ZH.  This particular clown may have read the thread yesterday about 'Thrive' and 'Thrive Debunked' (I went immediately to the latter) and decided to write a piece on 'debunking'.

 

I can give specific examples that I have noticed that looked like 'lifted' ideas, but, you get the point.

 

Original material and ideas are getting ever-increasingly hard to come by.  A lot of stuff I read anymore is just the same old shit, rehashed.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 05:40 | Link to Comment ebear
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Basically, everything's disappeared.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:26 | Link to Comment Son of Loki
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Bend over (again) taxpayers and grab the Vaseline:

 

For some homeowners, March 1 will be Liberation Day. That’s when Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will start allowing some homeowners who have been stuck in their homes—unable to move because they owe more than the property is worth—to relinquish the houses and cancel their debt.

 

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/soon-flee-underwater-home-cost-104259920.h...

 

Who gonna pay for all this?

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:28 | Link to Comment Neethgie
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i have to say its about time zerohedge did this, for the sake of the information it imparts, many of the lunatic fringe (if thats now a term, i prefer conspiracy theorists - doesn't imply mental illness) ruin these comment pages with pure rubbish that detracts from the articles, and makes zerohedge seem unreliable as a source.

Look if you want to know something, know only this, conspiracy theorists are getting robbed and abused by people like alex jones its a very easy scam..

"psst you are smarter than everyone else" thats all they have to say, to get people of below par intellect to want in on their material as it gives them an illusory superiority.

and honesty its not crazy to think conspiracies with how far away government has gone from peoples control, i know im going to get red flags for this, but im glad this article got wrote if you want lunacy go back to alex jones.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:45 | Link to Comment DavidPierre
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"...im glad this article got wrote..."

chinshit wroted it good!

A Conspiracy Theory

http://www.corbettreport.com/911-a-conspiracy-theory/

 

 

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:52 | Link to Comment Neethgie
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go back to alex jones, you don't belong here

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:34 | Link to Comment Braverdave
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You go back to sleep.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:56 | Link to Comment KIPPY KAPPSLOCK
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Neethgie.  You don't know shit from shinola, so you telling people where to go may not be our best use for you.  How long have you been here?  As a pathetic newb that is still just waking up it might be best if you were to shut the fuck up.   The list of guest on the Alex jones show that were warning people prior to the crash and long before my favorite web site ZH, is a long list indeed.  You are afraid of the truth or you are a gatekeeper like our old friend chindit.   

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 03:44 | Link to Comment Neethgie
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Ive been here ages, and ive never seen anyone outside the comments talk about alex jones, hes not a reliable source on anything.

What he is is entertaining and appealing to some tinfoilers, they buy his shite and he keeps going.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 05:15 | Link to Comment All Risk No Reward
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>>hes not a reliable source on anything<<

He's right on fluoride - the EPA scientist union opposes water fluroidation and Harvard came ot with a study showing a correlation between 2.5 and 3.5 PPM lfluoride in the water and serious neurological damage... from 7 IQ points vaporized to a 700% increase inmental retardation.  I posted the links in a previous post - search my name and you'll get the links.

This sourced fact makes you, sir, a proven liar.  Your use of ad hominem logical fallacy is deceptive and dishonest.

Alex is right on some things and he's wrong on others.

For example, he never predicted the President would claim the right to murder American citizens without any evidence or a trial.

Alex was simply "too extreme" to be able to predict such a reasonable and logical change in law was coming down the pike.

That was sarcasm, BTW, just in case it wen tover your head.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 21:04 | Link to Comment mkhs
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Damn.  Someone hacked the records.  They changed ages to 29 weeks.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 05:08 | Link to Comment All Risk No Reward
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Speaking of fallacies, this, ladiy and gentlemen of ZeroHedge, is an example of ad hominem logical fallacy where the person is attacked and not the argument itself.

Sometimes it is done of ignorance and sometimes it is done to try and avoid the argument itself because it can't be attacked on its merits.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 10:48 | Link to Comment Tall Tom
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Cool. You point the FALLACIOUS attack out and use it as a demonstration. Good method.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:44 | Link to Comment RebelDevil
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Great point. So we can say that the "lunatic fringe" dicussed in the article are really just Randroids, the extremely paranoid (Alex Jones), the fantastists (David Icke), and the fraudsters (Benjamin Fullford).

There's a big difference between them, and rational conspiracy theorists.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:34 | Link to Comment SamAdams
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I know you're out there!  You're in hiding, but you won't get too far...

Remember when you first heard that song?  You never thought it would apply to your well mannered American self.  Welcome to Amerika...  I, with your help, intend to take it back!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 04:59 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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For those who haven't heard it...

Red Rider - Lunatic Fringe

 

Along those same lines, another prescient song from the 1980s:

Mike & The Mechanics - Silent Running

 

Teach the children quietly

for some day sons and daughters

will rise up and fight

while we stood still

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 21:29 | Link to Comment mkhs
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Don't believe the church and state, ...

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:29 | Link to Comment agrotera
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Keen work Chindit! Hope all is well for you and yours!

Agrotera

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:05 | Link to Comment DavidPierre
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SmokeyQuinn, chinshit !!!

"This is dedicated to the ones I love"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JvB1myrDAG4#!

9/11 Is the Litmus Test

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p6O4LE0eTYc#!

 

Both just TOOLS !

 

 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 16:23 | Link to Comment chindit13
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It's a litmus test.  About that we agree 100%.  And there I'll leave it.

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 01:08 | Link to Comment chindit13
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agrotera, good to see some of the old souls popping up!  All is well.  I have left my former residence for a place that makes that old post seem like a 5th Avenue apartment with a concierge.  A wonderful challenge, which is (in my opinion) what life is all about.  I'm not sure even Voyager 1 has reached here yet.  In fact, I'm two bus transfers further out than Zerohedge's Honest Ann and enjoying the spoils of war.  And truth be known, I have as much desire to steer clear of the vocal membership here as I do the PTB.  I find both equally exasperating.  Tyler, however, remains The Bomb (I'll bet that term is out of style).  I still get in my fifty good belly-laughs per day.  It's the best prescription for an enjoyable life.  Take care.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:30 | Link to Comment Prairie Dog
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Er, isn't this their web site?

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:33 | Link to Comment Cheyenne
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Here is what that “Conspiratorialist” Catherine Austin Fitts, a partner and board member at Dillon Read and the Asst. Sec’y of Housing under Bush 41, had to say--fully 10 years ago--about articles like this one:

 

“We do not have time to pay attention to people who use smears like ‘conspiracy theorist’ to waste our time. Money, budgets, finance—these are all facts. If something does not work, and it continues to not work, there is a reason. Systems have a logic. They have a rationale. Money helps explain and illuminate that rationale. 

 

“Anyone who would smear a serious researcher or writer for trying to understand where a great deal of money is disappearing to as a ‘conspiracy theorist’ is someone who would never be taken seriously or associated with in the circles in which I travel. The exception is if the person doing the smearing is a professional being paid to smear those who have the scent of ‘the real deal’ - Cointelpro or related public relations.

 

“The number of people paid to do such things are many and growing.”

 

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_blackbudget03.h...

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:32 | Link to Comment Fix It Again Timmy
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Speaking of the government and how they ALWAYS have our best interest in mind - prior to WWII, the Soviet Union required that all short-wave radios had to be registered.  On June 23rd, 1941 the day after Germany attacked Russia, government agents were sent out to confiscate short-wave radios. REGistration, yeah right - hahahahaha, stop it, you're killing me....

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:33 | Link to Comment Cdad
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The trust of the American people shall not be restored...until such time as the bankers responsible for the criminal looting of this nation's assets, as well as the debasement of its currency, are prosecuted and jailed.  Until such time as this occurs, capital formation is dead.  This is a logical response to the facts at hand.

Is it any wonder that the criminal syndicate known as Wall Street requires $85 billion per month in debauched USDs?  The banking system of this country must be allowed to fail, finally.  Stop the printing presses, Mr. Bernanke.  Perverting both the equity and bond markets with this continued intervention is not a solution...but rather it is theft.

Fringe Cdad

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 11:20 | Link to Comment Tall Tom
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We will NOT have a sustainable recovery without TRUST. My wealth has been extracted and will remain so until I see a substantial movement toward restoration of that trust. I am certain that I do not act alone.

 

I think I wrote that yeasterday on this blog.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:35 | Link to Comment Prairie Dog
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You forgot to mention the Bernanke-Geithner-Krugman conspiracy to Destroy The US through irresponsible money creation, the imminence of hyperinflation and gold going to $5,000 tomorrow.

 

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:40 | Link to Comment tony bonn
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thank you for my daily dose of goat shit from the cia...i am glad to see that they are sufficiently alarmed to send some pea brained hack out to tell me that i am lunatic....but the lunatic, my dear spooky control freak, is in your mind....go fuck yourself cunt...

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 05:34 | Link to Comment chindit13
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tony....

Profoundest apologies for striking a dissonant chord in the echo chamber.   Big Mama Tyler will come by in a jiffy to tuck you under your tin foil blanket and give you your David Icke Bobble-head to cuddle.  And just remember, everybody who doesn’t dream all of your dreams cannot possibly be awake.  Repeat after me ten thousand times---though in point of fact it must now be up to a full lakh on this site---“Anyone with more than two brain cells knows 911 was an inside job”.  And let not one voice, not a one, state the opposite in return.  That would be….arrogantly shillish.  Echoes only, please.

 

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:41 | Link to Comment Prairie Dog
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Oh sorry, gold going to $5,000 tomorrow is in another article. So we're covered.

 

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:41 | Link to Comment rlouis
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Left out that Al Gore is a reptillian alien.

 

PS Can I get one of those tin foil hats on ebay?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 05:52 | Link to Comment ebear
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Probably, but I wouldn't recommend it.  Tinfoil hats actually concentrate the mind control rays - they don't shield against them at all.  Look no further than the people wearing them for proof of this.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 11:27 | Link to Comment Tall Tom
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Gold Foil hats are much more effective. You ought to try that. Gold is such a good Electromagnetic Radiation Reflector. It is the most efficient shield. Seriously. You have to get one. Shape it like a Faraday Cage.

 

Turn off the damned Television while you are at it.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:42 | Link to Comment gould's fisker
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I'm not going to be coy like alot of the posters above--where do i order my tinfoil hat, I'll pay for it.  Cause it'll be alot easier to do that than swallow the prevailing view (i.e., reality) being peddled by the msm outlets or the fed--like the economy just lost a little momentum because there was a percentage drop in the tons of fed-zirped-qe'd liquidity being fed into the markets.  And most everybody just nods and shuffles forward like the invasion of the body snatchers, instead of wondering, geeze what happens when the other trillion annually being pumped in gets shut off, I wonder.  When did they start growing us all in the back yard, huh? Like if we're quiet we'll all get our social security or other fed program pay off because the other guy won't--he'll be the one that gets fucked.  We'll all be fucked or in tinfoil hats eventually.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:48 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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People are a lot like chickens. Once darkness falls you can actually walk around picking up chickens by hand. They won't even try to get away. I've see the stupid fucking things sit there quietly while a weasel walks around in the coop sniffing out the best one to eat. Darkness is falling............

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:35 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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You can also pluck them.

"Stalin called for a live chicken and proceeded to use it to make an unforgettable point before some of his henchmen. Forcefully clutching the chicken in one hand, with the other he began to systematically pluck out its feathers. As the chicken struggled in vain to escape, he continued with the painful denuding until the bird was completely stripped. “Now you watch,” Stalin said as he placed the chicken on the floor and walked away with some bread crumbs in his hand. Incredibly, the fear-crazed chicken hobbled toward him and clung to the legs of his trousers. Stalin threw a handful of grain to the bird, and it began to follow him around the room, he turned to his dumbfounded colleagues and said quietly, “This is the way to rule the people. Did you see how that chicken followed me for food, even though I had caused it such torture? People are like that chicken. If you inflict inordinate pain on them they will follow you for food the rest of their lives.”"

Ravi Zacharias, Can Man Live Without God, (Word Publ., Dallas: 1994), pp. 26-27

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:54 | Link to Comment akak
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That is a great story --- aside from the fact that it is essentially impossible to pluck a live chicken.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 04:20 | Link to Comment Likstane
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Have you ever tried it?  It sounds reasonable.  I'm just askin'

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 04:40 | Link to Comment akak
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Inadvertently, yes I have --- and it is no fun at all, for either the plucker or the pluckee.

However, I have plucked my share of chickens in the usual manner, which necessarily includes a thorough dipping into near-boiling water in order to loosen the feathers from the skin.  Even then, if the (dearly departed) chicken is not dipped long enough or thoroughly enough, one will have feathers that are VERY difficult to remove --- and some, such as the wing feathers, will always be quite difficult to pluck even with this hot-water treatment.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 04:45 | Link to Comment Likstane
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I will never again question your chicken-pluckin' prowess.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 04:53 | Link to Comment akak
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Plucking the feathers is the most tedious part of butchering chickens, but believe me, disemboweling them is certainly the least fun part (especially when you forgot to not feed them the day before and their intestines are still full of .... stuff.)

And yes, when their heads are cut off, they DO "run around like chickens with their heads cut off" --- although it is more of a spastic jumping-and-flopping-around kind of thing than actual running.  The blood that (initially) sprays several feet out from their severed necks is an added bonus (at least, my husky thinks so).

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 05:04 | Link to Comment Likstane
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I'll drive one up from Anchortown this summer and you can show me.  I'm too squeamish to try it myself without seeing it done first!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 05:22 | Link to Comment akak
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It's really not all that bad --- if you can clean a salmon, you can butcher a chicken.

 

(But, I am not particularly squeamish.)

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 06:18 | Link to Comment UP Forester
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Just don't do it on a hot summer day (damn batch-flies).

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 05:37 | Link to Comment Poor Grogman
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Damn chicken

I bet he realised too damn late that he should never have let em have that semi-auto assault rifle...

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:31 | Link to Comment ZeroAvatar
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DAMN, gould's fisker!  That's some good shit right there! More comments, sir!  Bravo!  Bravo!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 11:39 | Link to Comment Tall Tom
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Take One Ounce of Gold. Hammer it out. It is the most mallable metal in the World. Make a Gold Foil Hat. Shape it into a Faraday Cage. It is a much better Electromagnetic Reflector, the most efficient type. Get rid of your Television Set. I am in my Gold Foil Hat...Thank you.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:45 | Link to Comment chump666
Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:47 | Link to Comment UGrev
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Yeah, because NO ONE is trying to confiscate our guns... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKx59TfES9g

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhZdBIHooJM

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhZdBIHooJM

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryUbJfg4tAo   ç this one is the video you really want to pass

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/121630615/McLaughlin-1-22-13-Rejected-Democrat-Proposals ç here is the document that was posted by the Assemblyman himself. 

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:50 | Link to Comment Al Huxley
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I'm trying to keep an open mind, but this article just comes across as way too fucking patronizing - 'See, trusted government servants, the proles are feeling mistreated, and now they're questioning everything'.  Like a MSM apology for the bad behaviour of those who won't step in line, shut the fuck up, and do as their told, or better, just watch Dancing with the Stars or whatever the fucking Kardashians are up to now.

 

You know, it might be hard to believe that sociopaths with power and no conscience will stoop to extreme levels to extend that power, with total disregard for things like truth, justice, morality, etc. but the evidence is the fucking evidence.  Just because some of these things seem way too evil to be conceived of doesn't mean you just ignore the evidence.  Fuck, the more I think about it the more I really hated this fucking article.  It's actually WORSE than the routine 'ignore the fucking crazies' because there's that underlying thread of condescension that seems to suggest that TPTB need to be more CONSIDERATE, if they want to regain peoples' trust, rather than that they need to STOP BREAKING THE FUCKING LAW, STEALING AND KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:50 | Link to Comment akak
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After scrolling through all the responses to this "article" by Chindit (sorry, Chindit, but it WAS an egregious hit piece, and if you have any honesty in you you would have to admit as much), I liked yours the best, Al.

Chindit, I am utterly confused by where you were trying to go with your diatribe against just about every "non-mainstream" thinker (which, in reality, pretty much means every thinker --- and yes, some crazies too --- as being in the "mainstream" today just about automatically precludes any real thinking).  If your goal was to attack the minority of anti-semites, bigots, and just plain nutjobs who frequent this forum, then you may have had some justification.  But whether you realize it or not, you implicitly attacked anyone and EVERYONE who does not hold a "mainstream", pro-status-quo, pro-contemporary-authority viewpoint.  It is THAT for which I have to condemn your piece here.

You make me sad, Chindit, because you generally if not almost always came across as quite reasonable in your comments here on ZH.  But this piece was utterly unworthy of that record, and frankly, of serious consideration.  If I have misread your intent here, then judging from all the comments here it appears to have been an almost universal mistake, and an explanation (if not also an apology) on your part would be in order.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:51 | Link to Comment Al Huxley
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Thanks Akak, I share your confusion (or diappointment, maybe) - I've  generally thought highly of Chindit's comments here as well.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 04:23 | Link to Comment Likstane
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Neither one of you missed the intent.  It was perfectly obvious. 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 09:54 | Link to Comment Bob
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Chindit13 hasn't been around much for awhile and as his participation tapered off I recall noting increasing frustration about what he regarded as a growing groupthink of histrionic paranoia. 

This could be fairly considered a "hit piece," I think, to the extent that it begins by devaluing the specifically named "conspiracy nuts" without apology and it cannot be surprising that it brought the overwhelmingly negative response it did on that basis alone (and I say this just from reading the article and comments up to this point in the thread.)

At the same time, though, he did then qualify his observations with a more nuanced and respectful analysis of the very real basis for what he lays out as a more generalized social phenomenon.  This made sense to me and will give me something to think about that is worthwhile, I believe. 

Most of us recognize, I am sure, that among the various and inherent downsides of cyber-life is the "echo chamber" effect.  It is evident just about everywhere on the internet.

To that point, it seems to me that we have something to appreciate in someone pissing in our punchbowl, in addition to the offensive act of betrayal we are so much more easily inclined to see (justified as that might be.) 

Just my 2 cents. 

 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 12:06 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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maybe he's still around bob, just wearing a mask (upon a mask)?

agree with your analysis.   we all need to be very wary of those who speak what we want to hear (or write what we want to see), especially when they appeal to our emotional centers more than our rational ones.   this is especially important now that "moonbattery" has gone mainstream and bigger bubbles are appearing in the pot.  

beware of those waving fringed flags screaming & shouting about the false ones.

our dear compadre has simply employed this tactic in reverse to expose a deeper sociological phenomenon currently in process.   whether it was done for our benefit or whether we were "tricked" into providing the footnotes for a thesis meant for another audience makes nary a difference in the larger scheme of things.

well played, sir chindit, extremely well played.   looking forward to your installment in the bat cave.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:51 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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attention, lunatic fringe!  i know you're out there!  you're in hiding, and holding your meetings, but i can hear you coming and know what you're after!

uh huh.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:55 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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We might as well have a cool theme song. Tinfoil hat tested and approved.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTFVMMCwsss

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:14 | Link to Comment joego1
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Cool I'm going to try to talk my band into this one.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:55 | Link to Comment Rusty Diggins
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sheesh, fuck this guy.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:34 | Link to Comment Rusty Diggins
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 And I have two dry fingers for the stinker of those down votes.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:56 | Link to Comment booboo
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So the author believes that his government can be this fucking inept for so long on so many issues? They can read my lips from 3 mile up in the sky and cannot stop an illiterate mexican from walking across the border? They can tell me how much money I deposited in the bank today but they cannot figure out how John Corzine vaporized billions? They can finger your daughter at an airport in full view of the public but they say they have no logistical way to put an armed guard at a school entrance? They can build large cities in the desert complete with Taco Bells in a month but they cannot...ahhh fuck it.

I would rather be governed by 445 mildly Autistic children then the current group of common criminals.

 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:32 | Link to Comment Non Passaran
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Well, did you read the entire fucking article?

> America sees backroom deals and favors to insiders every step of the way, and rightfully so they see this,

You don't need a big plan for world domination in order to steal and neither do the politicians.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 11:58 | Link to Comment Tall Tom
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You really think that the theft of Billions is about MONEY? Really how much loot can you spend in a lifetime? That is what the theives are banking on. You small thinking.

 

IT IS ABOUT POWER. Why desire that power if it were NOT to DOMINATE? It makes no sense otherwise. There is no purpose for it otherwise.

 

It is not about the money. Money is easy. It is just a Dream Away. Double entendre intended.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:57 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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So in order to build a bridge between chindit and many of the pissed, let's redirect our ire to where it belongs for a moment.

 

Corruption delegitimizes authority.

 

There.  That's it in a nutshell.  It doesn't really matter how people choose to express their rejection of deligitimated authority...well, OK, it does matter, but not as much as the initial corruption matters.

When do you hear the word corruption in the MSM today?  Never?  Maybe in China, or perhaps local politics in Chicago or Philly where they still bust aldermen wearing wires in Italian restaurants and such.

Chindit is pointing to a symptom, really the colorful expression of many interwoven interpretations of the phoney and fundamentally evil system that has developed in the global elite kleptocracy.

Sure, even in a legitimate, beautiful or at least tolerable political system there would still be those who play the moonbat role.  And, handled well that might make for interesting reading.

But we are far, far beyond that.  Indeed, that is what chindit is saying.

So, fringe away folks.  Have a fringy 2013.  Just, you know, try to adjust your filter so that if leadership comes from an unexpected quarter, and breaks YOUR taboos, you might be able to get on the new bus when it rolls.

Cuz that rabbit hole, it just gets deeper.   Even the good stuff, if there is any, gets weirder too.  So, go pro.  Don't panic.  Stay frosty.  And be ready for anything.  Maybe it'll be just the person you thought you should hate who pulls your ass out of the mudhole. 

Just sayin'.  Come to ZH to think, not to jerk your knees (in any direction).

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:20 | Link to Comment Cdad
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Corruption delegitimizes authority.

Well said.  And it is pretty tough to top the level of corruption in both our banking system, and via the military industrial complex.  That is world class corruption.

It's downright funny how many ZH brethren seem to have misinterpreted Chindit here.  


Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:45 | Link to Comment agrotera
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Chindit is always right on the mark! 

 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:20 | Link to Comment Raymond K Hessel
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I got the sense that many people ripping on chindit read his essay wrong.  

The way it scanned to me was that the government is acting in such a manner that proves the fringe element to be correct.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:31 | Link to Comment akak
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If most of those commenting here apparently read his essay wrong (including myself), then it would be logical to conclude that it was not very clearly written in the first place, yes?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:02 | Link to Comment Braverdave
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I like the bridge that Jim built too.

Even if some might say he didn't build it.

But I don't think 'many of the pissed' misinterpreted what he wrote so much as resented the way he wrote it.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:28 | Link to Comment Cdad
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I meant to infer that they "misinterpreted Chindit"...not his words.

I agree that "they resented the way he wrote it."  However, this is just so damn pansy as to be laughable, as well.  Since when did it become the norm to expect someone writing an article to be sensitive to our individual feelings on certain matters?  It is pretty much a hallmark of this ridiculous culture we now live in.  Everyone roams around the world of ideas constantly needing to be affirmed BY EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING.  The average American has gotten just disgustingly self involved in this way.

So some ZH brothers' feelings got hurt by what Chindit wrote?  Well...piss off already! 

Good grief! [and by that I mean grow the hell up, stop feeling everything...and think instead]

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:42 | Link to Comment Braverdave
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Understanding and understood.

I agree sensitivity isn't required or desired. I do like to be polite to others and certainly that extends to chindit as well. I expect that he will appreciate the criticisms, good and bad, offered up here to his thoughts. I know I always do.

Yeah, piss of all you hurt feeling pussies ;)

 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:21 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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mighty fine bridge you built there jim.  

mind if i stand on it wit' ya while i hunt for rabbit holes?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:34 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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hi i am also of the inclination to stay out of those really deep rabbit holes.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:08 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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au contrare, my friend, i'm looking for a good spot from which to jump.   

if i get stuck in the mud, would you lend me a hand?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:40 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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certes, so long as there's room on the bridge. 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 12:10 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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mucho gracias, will be happy to do the same when you're ready

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:35 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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well said, Jim.  I've been a little surprised by the unabated knee-jerk from many of the commenters.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:00 | Link to Comment jballz
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The lunatic fringe is the people who aren't screaming and hollering that the new world order has enslaved the world through the corrupt monetary system that gives elites unlimited power and forces the masses into so many cattle yards of submission, fight bogus wars with contrived enemies, and obey the laws the privileged few can ignore. Democracy is dead, authoritarian central planning controls all, those who step out of line are imprisoned, killed, or politically and financially ruined depending on their level of offense to the anointed ones and their position in the heirarchy.

This is rreality 2013. If you believe otherwise you're beyond the lunatic fringe, you are just fucking stupid. You have Google, there is no more excuse for failure to comprehend. You either get it, or you're fucking stupid.

 

Stay away from my tinfoil hat.

 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:02 | Link to Comment deKevelioc
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This is a masterpiece.  Don't change one damn word of it!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:08 | Link to Comment which way weste...
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I would expect something like this in Newsweek or yahoo!, not ZH

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:14 | Link to Comment IamtheREALmario
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Lol ... or Forbes, which has turned into a paid-for propagandist rag.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:04 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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Conspiracists don't see the obvious contradiction between the required, grandiose scheming & high-order calculating and the daily demonstration that TPTB are bumbling idiots who are only good at rationalizing the irrational to the sheep.

I would nominate GW as kingpin conspiracist around these parts. 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:15 | Link to Comment Non Passaran
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GW: yes!!!

Does anyone know how there can be so many mutually exclusive theories regarding the secret organization that rules the world?
I order to improve on the current theories the believers should start working on discrediting the theories they do not believe, in addition to trumpeting the soundness of their own. I think that would help.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:39 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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Lest we forget Heinlein's admonition: ""You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity" - Logic of Empire

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 09:59 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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The world to me was a secret, which I desired to discover; to her it was a vacancy, which she sought to people with imaginations of her own.

or for the more pop-culture oriented-

It's alive!

Should be required reading for anyone who wishes to seriously explore the rabbit hole, in addition to a good grasp on evolution.

Unfortunately the beast is alive, and it has evolved.  The number of people of who confuse or incorrectly identify the name of the beast is truly mind boggling.

 

 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 16:24 | Link to Comment chindit13
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Bingo! If malicious intent walked hand in hand with a high degree of competence, there would be no hope.  Lucky for us, there is hope if we concentrate on what is real and push the malicious to their failure point.  We are getting close.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:06 | Link to Comment PhilofOz
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Another smart arse desperately trying to throw those that are finally waking up off of the scent. 

 

 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:22 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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That's not the point of the article.  The post is saying that in absence of truth and trust, surrogate explanations gain life, and they are further fostered when the government does more to feed the mistrust.  It is neither encouraging nor discouraging conspiracists - it is a commentary about how a mistrusted regime can be replaced by any logical set of beliefs if it perpetuates the lying long enough.  If the author had to take some shots at some well-developed theories to get people's attention, so be it.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:46 | Link to Comment Braverdave
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Yeah, I can see it that way, and I am all for commentary that makes you think, and to share what you think, and I do it all the time, here there and everywhere.

I do wonder if our brother chin was maybe drunk or stoned or both when he wrote this ;)

But if it was meant to be a rant then it was okay. The first bit especially, then it got a bit messy in the middle and and ended kind of lame. It needed a bit more bang at the end.

Agitprop isn't always so easy ;)

 

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 05:03 | Link to Comment chindit13
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I think you are chasing your own tail, and that scent is, well, you must know.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:13 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Way this tinfoil hat wearing nutjob sees it, at least on the Federal level our Justice system went from being a prosecutor of law to persecution of dissent and our regulatory agencies went from supposed to protect the integrity of the system to being used to strangehold the system and regulate undesirable rights to the point of unobtainabilty. Well color me crazy then for drawing my conclusions strictly on what all my senses tell me. 

For entertainment these days I go out to the bar with a baseball cap lined with tinfoil. People should try it sometime, you'd be surprised how much of a conversation starter it is.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:12 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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It's unfortunate that the author chose to dismiss people who think there is some sort of " grand plan" as lunatics in the first part of the post, because I absolutely agree that people have lost faith and are looking beyond government for truth. I see this as a good thing because the lies are being exposed, and the more people lose faith in government the less they will look to them to solve problems.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:25 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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Good doctor - the author is doing anything but dismissing people who think there is a grand plan.  He's doing the opposite.  (Now he takes a shot at some theories as being questionable, but that's not the purpose of the article).

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