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The Rise Of America's Lunatic Fringe

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The Rise Of America's Lunatic Fringe

Anyone who spends any amount of time on the internet has seen them.

They are the moonbats, the wingnuts, the whackjobs, the Conspiratorialists.  They are America’s new Lunatic Fringe, and their numbers are growing.

While the rise of the internet fed a segment of society that has always existed, when the cyberworld became an increasingly important source both of entertainment and information, an entirely new demographic joined what was already amongst us.

Who are they and what do they believe?  The Lunatic Fringe is not uniform in either its background or beliefs.  Some clearly seem to be emotionally disturbed.  Some are racist and hateful.  Others are simply naïve and gullible, or uninformed.  Still more are frustrated by an economy and a government that are behaving out of whack with what most people expected from life and from leadership.  They want to believe America stands for something noble, but it is increasingly felt by them that it does not.  They are confused, frustrated, and disappointed.  They feel violated and betrayed.  They grow angrier by the day.  Some harbor a diffuse rage which could blow at any time. Others have figuratively thrown in the towel and have joined the ranks of what are called Preppers and Survivalists.

Collectively, though individually they differ, the beliefs of the Fringe conspiracies behind the JFK assassination, the lunar landing, and 911.  The collective also includes the Birthers, and believers in everything from FEMA Camps to chemtrails to that retro old favorite of Colonel Jack Ripper, fluoridation.  The Fringe holds beliefs that have the world controlled variously by the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the Bilderbergers, Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones, the Council on Foreign Relations, 33rd Degree Freemasons, the Vatican, the Queen of England, or just The Illuminati.  Every event and every incident in the world is affected by some Master Plan carried out by whomever the believer chooses from the aforementioned gallery of rogues.  For many, al Qaeda is really al CIAda, and the prime directive of that organization, along with all the other USG alphabet agencies, is to further the goals of the elite, usually through some “false flag” operation or “psy-op”, and funded through illicit drug sales.

Believers can “prove” each and every one of their claims via a series of cross-referenced and circular internet links, the source of many undoubtedly just someone’s fertile imagination, but very real to the believers.

To the uninitiated this all seems rather humorous, albeit slightly unsettling.  It would be both wrong and unwise, however, just to slough it off as the ramblings of the insane.  The reason such beliefs are gaining favor is because many Americans have lost faith and lost trust in the government and America’s elected leadership.  Given what has happened over the last decade, this is not only understandable, it is even, in an odd way, reasonable.  A continual drift to the fringe can be expected because of the many very real things that make the foolish things suddenly more believable.

Why have the people lost faith and trust?  There is a host of reasons, perhaps beginning with the war of choice in Iraq and the vociferous and passionate claims of WMD that turned out to be false.  That war cost lives, cost sympathy and diplomatic capital, and cost trillions even when America was told by former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz that the war “would pay for itself from oil sales” and that “Americans would be welcomed with garlands”.  Neither was anything close to accurate.  Instead the US has war dead, war wounded, a huge bill, fewer friends, and many more enemies.

What truly exacerbated the rush to the fringe were the Financial Crisis and the subsequent railroaded bailouts, which “democratic”
America opposed to the tune of 97%, and which were, and still are viewed as rewarding the very people who caused the collapse.  The oft-spoken official claims that “the taxpayer made a profit on the bailouts” just adds salt to the taxpayers’ wounds, as it conveniently fails to take into account the host of programs---from TALF to ZIRP to QEI, II, and III and Twist---that virtually handed the banks the money with which they could “pay back” the bailout cash.

America sees backroom deals and favors to insiders every step of the way, and rightfully so they see this, because that is exactly how the bailout was affected.  No one had to pay for his mistakes, and equally significant, no one has been prosecuted despite overwhelming evidence of fraud, malfeasance, and corruption.  Americans cannot help but subscribe to the cynical quip, “everyone is equal under the law, except for those who are above it”.  Fines don't count, especially when the money to pay them comes right back through another door.

America's prisons are filled with people who did little more than use a banned substance.  It's time some bankers and officials faced the possibility of similar accommodations, as their crimes are greater and victims substantially more.

The belief that all is not fair is further cemented when the Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer can be taped (PBS, “Frontline”) saying, "Well, I think I am pursuing justice. And I think the entire responsibility of the department is to pursue justice. But in any given case, I think I and prosecutors around the country, being responsible, should speak to regulators, should speak to experts, because if I bring a case against institution A, and as a result of bringing that case, there’s some huge economic effect — if it creates a ripple effect so that suddenly, counterparties and other financial institutions or other companies that had nothing to do with this are affected badly — it’s a factor we need to know and understand."

No matter how one parses that quote it still says the same thing: some are above the law.

The American people are well aware they have been lied to by the leadership.  They know that a lobbyist has an infinitely greater chance of getting his way than an entire nation of voters.  They know who pays the bills---the taxpayer---as well as who pays the politicians---the lobbyists.  They see the Federal Debt ballooning to Greek-like proportions, and the best Congress can do, other than take vacation or kick the can, is to tell Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke to “get to work, Mr. Chairman”, which means print more money, monetize the deficit, and further dilute the value of the dollar.

Even some people within the government are undoubtedly growing frustrated.  Imagine someone in DEA, FBI, CIA, or the military, who sees the slap on the wrist fine handed to a certain non-US bank for a decade or more of drug money laundering and laundering money for Iran, some of which might well have found its way to Hezbollah or to parties aiding the Iraqi insurgency.  There are people in Waziristan who face the wrath of a drone-fired Hellfire missile with less evidence to back up the attack.  This bank, incidentally, received a $3.5 billion payment-in-full upon the US taxpayer bailout of insurer AIG.

When trust is gone, everything becomes an affront, a conspiracy, a power grab by the elite.  The recently passed National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which gives the President incredibly broad powers, seems to obviate both habeas corpus and the entire Bill of Rights.  When the trust is gone, people are less willing to believe that such a bill would never be used recklessly, or vindictively to put down vocal opponents of whatever Administration happens to be in power at the time.  When trust is gone, the people question new efforts to alter the Second Amendment, even if many are personally outraged at the rash of gun violence that has come to epitomize the United States, so they rush to guns rather than run from them.  When the trust is gone, the message of the Lunatic Fringe is afforded greater reception.  When the trust is gone the Fringe grows into the mainstream.  When trust is gone in some aspects of governance, all governance is questioned.

The government can no longer afford to ignore the Lunatic Fringe, because it is becoming less loon and more understandably and righteously indignant every day.  The government did not create the Fringe, but through callous disregard, incompetence, blatant self-interest, cronyism, selective enforcement, and pandering to its financial support base, the government has fertilized the fringe until it has grown to redwood-like size.  The nation's leadership is viewed not with respect, but with distrust.  It is not the solution, but the problem.  It has morphed from friend to enemy, at least for a not insignificant portion of the citizenry.   The fringe is not going to go away, but instead it will grow.  Its wounds will fester.  It will continue to hammer away at an already fragile society.  It may well lead to significant social unrest, even violence, and that violence is likely to be directed at those seen as responsible for the fiscal, financial and moral decay, which means the elite and the government that is seen as catering to it.  New records in the Dow will not alter the focus, nor ameliorate the bubbling rage, even if the financial media or the Federal Reserve thinks it will.  This growing demographic of citizens must have its concerns addressed before it is too late.

Woe to those who ignore it, because they will become the targets, rightfully or not.

To paraphrase a certain career New York Senator, “Mr. Government, get to work!”  Or better yet, get out of the way.


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Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:57 | 3201476 Dr. Engali
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I read this article twice because I wanted to make sure of what my takeaway was. When I first read it, my takeaway was exactly as yours, but then on my second pass I came to the conclusion that the author dismissed what the "fringe" might believe , but it's understandable why they might believe such things. Maybe I'm wrong... I'm sure we will see more from the author in the future. All in all it's a good article because it promotes thought and discussion.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:01 | 3201534 mayhem_korner
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I think he wrote it that way to be provocative.  But my read is this: once truth has been compromised by the regime, explanations in the alternative to what the regime is feeding grow in power (irrespective of whether either or neither is the truth). 

Back around 1990, there was a well-subscribed-to theory that Major League Baseball was doing something with the balls - winding them tighter or somehow "juicing" them - as the explanation for the increase in power hitting.  We know now that wasn't the case, but it didn't matter then that THAT particular theory was inaccurate.  What mattered was that what people could observe caused them to dismiss what they were being fed (i.e., "the althetes are training better").  So the regime's message, because it was perpetually incredulous, was increasingly diluted. 

The point is that it doesn't matter whether a conspiracy theory is correct or not - it matters whether it is more credible than what is being fed by the regime.  And the regime may not be recognizing that people aren't buying their schtick.  The regime is becoming the fringe - that is the point of the article as I read it.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:32 | 3201592 Braverdave
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Yeah, thought and discussion is good, I went back a second time too and back again a bit here and there after and I am still not sure.

So I like it and I don't like it :) (edit: remember doublethink - hehehe)

Got the dismissal tone too.

And like a fellow lunatic noted upthread 'you say it like it's a bad thing'.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:44 | 3201496 Pareto
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well said Dr.  By any measure government has failed, crushed by its own mandate, perverse incentives, indifference, moral hazard, etc etc etc.  I think this is the only time "this time is different" actually is.  The disparity between government and non-government incomes has grown too large, the variance in the rule of law too wide, and promises never kept, too many for the common man to accept as the cost of a civilized society.  The contradiction is too apparent.  So when they arrive at the conclusion that government cannot EVER solve problems, while its cost is everything, there is no middle ground and everything is simplified to a much clearer course of action.  for me, its stacking PMs, others its prepping for bad times, others still self sufficiency and agriculture.  Whatever the case its all symptomatic of individuals opting out of the system that no longer serves their long term economic welfare (and I don't mean handouts).  Fairness, or even the perception of fairness is gone.  And when that happens, confidence and commitment to playing by the house rules is more of a chore than a net net benefit.  There are simply other opportunities more attractive and for sure, infinitely more rewarding and with purpose.  Like Janus said, freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:14 | 3201398 reader2010
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Where is our Julius Caesar?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:20 | 3201419 magpie
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Due to modern efficiency in the realm of politics he has been skipped while Caligula, Nero and Heliogabalus have been pulled forward...

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:19 | 3201427 wisefool
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 probably getting taxed on his grave site by augustus.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 03:10 | 3201709 Manic by Proxy
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He's out back burning a blunt with Brutus.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:41 | 3201420 A Lunatic
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If you don't accept as absolute indisputable fact whatever TPTB say in a twenty second soundbite via the Telly, you are a Lunatic Fringe, Rayciss, Granny killing, Homophobic, Anti-Semitic, Conservative, Christian, Gold grabbin',Gun Totin', Redneck Prepper Hellbent on committing random acts of Terrorism.............

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:53 | 3201636 Braverdave
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Yeah, the Ministry of Truth would be jealous.


Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:50 | 3201421 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I get the author's frustration but man he needs to go grab a beer (and check to make sure no psy-ops joos put anything in it).

Seriously though generalizing broad sweeping paranoia like this article should be left for the peanut gallery aka comments section.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:22 | 3201433 joego1
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At first I thought I was a Democrat, nope, then a republican, nope. Maybe a libertarian, getting closer. Lunitic Fringe?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:25 | 3201445 Black Swan 9
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9/11 was an in-sourced job.. Conspiracy fact. Truth serum injections for Dick & Don.. these sociopaths are the fringe lunatics.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:28 | 3201449 jmc8888
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Wow so when the same group of people create whole strategies and ideololgies (monetarism, global warming, outsourcing, free trade, domino theory, containment, cold war, Quantitative Easing, derivatives, overpopulation, etc, etc), control climate agenda (see former and other fake science), fund the activist organizations (like WWF), create supernational organizations (WTO, IMF, BIS, etc), fabricate WMD evidence to start wars (Chilcot inquiry), own the banks, the central banks (federal reserve and others), the corporations, the media (print, movie, tv, web), fund the colleges (see ivy league and every suck up that wants to be like them and see economic theory, statistical theory, derivatives, N.I.C.E.), charities (red cross), contribute the lion share to the political candidates, fund terrorists (Al-Qeada as biggest exampole), arm terrorists (afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Mali), incite insurrections-rebellions-coups (too numerous over the years to list), threaten nuclear war (upon China and Russia), run drugs (from opium wars 1800's to well opium wars of 2010's), launder drug money (see HSBC...also see opium wars), assassinate leaders across the world (see JFK as most prominant but not the only...usually the ones that grasp physical economic growth and scientific progress as well as giving the finger to this group of people), manufacture and sell arms (see BAE systems...see Bandar Bin Sultan...see 9/11...see who dined with Bush on 9/11 and ask who picked some of the hijackers and see who is now Saudi Defense minister), repealed Glass-Steagall (how this relates to the other points above), whose ancestors destroyed National banking via traitor Andrew Jackson and created the stage and pushed for the American civil war, drew us into vietnam, pushed for us drop the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki not to save lives through not needing an invasion to elicit surrender but to start the cold war literally with a bang by committing a war crime on a country that was already seeking to surrender with face.  Oh and a whole lot more.  No moon landing though.  Sorry.   Our Germans were better than the Russians.  Or specifically one, Von Braun (whose designs were passed over initially because they wanted American made designs).

...then somehow it's all just coincidence? All those interrelating aspects just happens and are not controlled by a few people who don't meet at various events a few times a year with overlapping membership? Wow I feel better.  

Here I metaphorically thought they were fucking a prostitute.  But you clearly mean it was just conicidence when the cops walked in your dick was in her, all your clothes were on the floor, her lipstick is all over you, your hand marks bruised her tits and ass from grabs and slaps, your money is in her possession, your phone/web logs indicate contacting her, and the cameras around town show the pickup.  Who would've thunk it? A conincidence.

Oh it's no master plan working to perfection, just a group of wealthy fucks doing whatever they can with their power to consolidate even more of it any way possible.  It's ad hoc, not a plan.  The plan is domination by any means necessary so at some point they are in complete and utter control.  How at any given time they can further their interests.  Then set out to fool the people. 

It's like the movie Total Recall, where Cohaagen says "Perfect, my ass! You pop your memory cap before we can activate you. Richter goes hog-wild screwing up everything that I spent a year planning. Frankly... I'm amazed it worked!". 

Like that, perpetually, because when you have all the money, own everything, create the money at will, own the  media, education system, politicians and thus the courts and law, constant screwups are easy to overcome and be swept under the rug.  Especially as it's an ongoing process, where time forgets, but the pressure continues.

Fool some people saying they are royalty (fantasy).  Fool some people with drugs (out of it).  Fool some people with money or power (buy off).  Fool some people with bs (dumbasses).  Fool some people through force (capitulation).  Fool some people with distractions (sports, media, video games, etc).

It's been obvious for decades even to children that this was coming.  Anyone not fooled and/or clued in have known the general direction we were headed for a long long time and can identify how it manifests at any given time quite easily.  On a real time basis it is quite simple to decipher what's going on especially when most of the time this group of people controlling everything are shouting from the rooftops their future plans.  

We should just blame gov't, not the people that run it, who also happen to be the same people, groups, families, cronies.  Blame the mechanism, not the people huh? How about end their control over the mechanism while exposing the lies and fraud.  Take the mechanism back and heed our founding fathers vision and spirit in stewarding the mechanism.


Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:55 | 3201523 kurt
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post too dense

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:57 | 3201530 WT Sherman
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Bravo!  Your command over just about every major hose job on the American public going back over 150 years was impressive.  You didn't mention the creation of the Fed though....and I think Woodrow Wilson was much worse than Jackson.  Undoing Glass Steagall has done great damage.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 04:30 | 3201764 Likstane
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I junked you on sentence two.  Learn to convey information succintly. 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 04:46 | 3201772 akak
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I don't know Likstane --- I kind of liked the first 319 word sentence.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 12:15 | 3202635 Tall Tom
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Your loss...

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:30 | 3201456 IridiumRebel
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I'm just here to promote my blog.....

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:35 | 3201474 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I came here for the chicks.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:01 | 3201540 tip e. canoe
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i came for the kale recipes

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 03:07 | 3201707 Manic by Proxy
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I just came.....

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:32 | 3201461 mayhem_korner
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Red Rider - Canadian one hit wonder. 

(couldn't envision another chance to post such useless trivia)

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:32 | 3201464 WT Sherman
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In the 80s (pre-Internet) I argued with my dad when he was telling me about the Tri-lateralists and the Bilderburgs - I didn't buy it.

Post 9-11 I argued vehemently against my best friend, who is an avowed 9-11 truther - I didn't buy it.

I thought the 2003 Iraq invasion was justifed.  Our troops were awesome; they did a great job.  The occupation of Iraq became a giant goat-screw and subsequent failure that made the whole enterprise seem stupid and useless in hindsight.  Now that entire region looks like it's headed back to the 7th century A.D.....while China and other multinational companies scoop up oil contracts.

I don't argue against conspiracy theorists anymore.  For many of the reasons stated in this artilce, I simply no longer have the faith or the inclination required to defend this government anymore. 

The American people are near the end of a long cycle where we get bounced from one party to the other hoping for a solution - a sqare deal - a return to gov't that looks out for the interest of it's citizens.  Its clear now after decades that this gov't with THESE leaders, and I mean from both parties, are incaple of doing anything but defending the status quo.

The way I see it now at the worst our leaders are comprimised at the highest levels and we're screwed if even 50% of what the tin-hat crowds claims is true...or at the least America is run by a shadow gov't of career beauracrats and operatives that run their own agenda regardless of who the people elect.

Lastly, after years of seeing disaster after disaster and tragedy heaped on top of atrocities it just seems that lots of stuff just seems to coincidental.  How convenient, especially for this current administration - crazy people shooting up schools, malls, etc. every month with the same M.O.

Remember, "never let a crisis go to waste"...Rahm Emmanuel

He's probably one of the few that was dumb enough to run his mouth and say what many of the elite really think.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:39 | 3201484 mayhem_korner
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THESE leaders, and I mean from both parties, are incaple of doing anything but defending the status quo.


Incapable of doing anything but defending the[ir] status quo.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:18 | 3201579 thedrickster
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This is bascially my pathology, turns out the tinfoils were right.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:37 | 3201478 knowless
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we are in broad daylight .


Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:39 | 3201480 Magnum
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Journalist Christopher Bollyn best summarizes all of the evidence connecting israel's mossad to 9/11 and it's absolutely indisputable.

Have you never heard of Dominic Suter (criminal caught red handed) or Prof Niels Harrit (eminent scientist, look into his work) or WTC7 (a society of literally THOUSANDS of professional architects and engineers have proven it was brought down with thermite).  One of NASA's top aeronautical engineers with a 30 year distinguished career, Mr Deets (again, look into him!) has provided all of the mathematical equations to disprove the government story as well.

When scientists and architects, NASA's finest flight engineers and other professionals are derided as kooks, something is wrong with the picture.  You, sir, need to check yourself.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:14 | 3201547 thedrickster
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Niels Harrit?

Indeed. Found nanothermite, iron spheres in WTC dust. Should have been the front page on every paper in the western world.

NASA? Oh you mean the "hot spots" in the pile? Indicative of molten iron? Try pouring a shitload of kerosine on a piece of steel and light it up. Here's a doesn't melt.

If truth mattered one bit in the western world, how could NIST possibly get away with saying there was no molten metal? FDNY says otherwise.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:24 | 3201591 Magnum
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Hundreds of dead NYC firefighters are screaming for justice and the band of faggot brothers who are NYC firefighters (and fire fighters across the USA for that matter) won't say a word about the mountain of evidence it was a setup.  Why?

Bill Manning of Fire Engineering Magazine wrote a scathing article in January 2002 called "Selling Out The Investigation" it's available online for anyone to read.  He was screaming for an investigation into the collapse of WTC7, and in his article details how there WAS NO INVESTIGATION.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 12:23 | 3202680 Tall Tom
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There are Firefighters screaming for an investigation still.


There are many other organizations out there.


Architectsfor911truth, engineersfor911truth, and pilotsfor911truth are just a few more of the org websites.


A lot of us know the truth.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:39 | 3201482 malek
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"The recently passed National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which gives the President incredibly broad powers, seems to obviate both habeas corpus and the entire Bill of Rights."

Luckily on the other side it is completely clear what theories indicate a whackjob.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:40 | 3201483 greatscott
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I want my subscription fee back.  This douche bag just insulted me.  I will pick up my ball and go home.  I would rather be called a Truther Whack Job than a Liar.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:48 | 3201504 Herkimer Jerkimer
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A brilliant, well written, thoughtful article that is spot-on. A keeper for sure in my records.

I think these people are also easily explained from a combination of three coinciding factors.

It would be easy to point to, and it is partially correct, that the major contributing factor to rise of the lunatic fringe/idiot/low information voter, is the dumbing down of our education system. It is contributed to by two crucial factors:

1. They stopped teaching critical thinking such as classical logic in our education system, back in the 50’s. Even simple concepts, such as correlation and conclusion would have helped.

2. They allowed our children to pass with grades, or the belling of the curve so ridiculously low, that they would have failed and been held back. But in the politically correct world, we can’t have hurt feelings anymore, so the passed to the next level. Many are functionally illiterate.

Combine this with the constant stream of television that brainwashes the population into a sense of entitlement that begins with the idea that there is no such thing as delayed gratification and that they are number one and the feed forward loop is complete.

These are kids, who have grown into adults, who have spawned more kids and grown into a significant size of the population, can use technology such as iPhones, computers and such, but believe Sandy Hook was a false flag.

When you do not have the training to critically analyze an event, you must frame it the reference you have and sadly, for most of mankind’s existence, it was nothing more than superstition. That is what the lunatic fringe is now, superstitionists with technology.

We are doomed.


Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:52 | 3201512 kurt
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obviously a brit

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 12:26 | 3202695 Tall Tom
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Herkimer is a township in the state of New York.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:29 | 3203485 Raymond K Hessel
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I think Herkimer and a lot of ZHer got this wrong.


The government's unchecked growth and resultant conduct with repect to rights, wars, etc, is proving the fringe element to have been correct.


He's written a warning to TPTB, elites, etc that what used to be accepted as crazy is increasingly being witnessed in the bailouts, perpetual war, and real-life inflation.  As more people see these things play out in front of them, the elites are being with increasing suspicion.  

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:44 | 3201548 IamtheREALmario
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There is more evidence available pointing to Sandy Hook being a false flag than there is evidence that it was not. All we have to go on that it was not a false flag is the word of untrustworthy known liars. On the other side there is video evidence and eye witness accounts of people who were actually on the scene, false articles published quoting a person who was killed in the incident, TV appearances of people who no one in the area knows, but claim to be victims, witness accounts of staging before the event, people with guns detained but not identified and mysteriously released, the car of the supposed killer that actually belonged to someone else, the initial reports that the purported killer, who conveniently killed himself used an "assault weapon" that was actually found in the car (what, did he put it there before kilking himself), which was later changed to him having killed all those people with two hand guns, the web site for donations that Google logged as being created the week before the event (even though it was not active the Google worm found it) ... and then there was the coordinated gun grab propaganda ready and waiting for the event to occur.

It is reminiscent of the BBC reporting that Building 7 had been destroyed when in fact it was shown standing in the background, behind the reporter and would not come down for another 20 minutes.... or the hole in Shanksville with no evidence of plane debris or the hole in the Pentagon with eye witness accounts of people on the ground who walked out of that hole and said there was not evidence of plane wreckage ... only dead auditors and destroyed records of the $2 trillion that Rummy couldn't account for because it had gone missing.

Most telling are the truths the media tells before they get a handle on the propaganda they are supposed to spew.

Maybe you should spend less time watching the television and do some critical thinking.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:16 | 3201568 knowless
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for any education in the sense that it prepares you for life in a culture, there must be a cohesive culture, otherwise what is regarded as fact is up for dispute, hence social tensions.

i deleted paragraphs for that sentence, check your language, my grammar might be impecable.


exceptions of course being physically applicable and immutable skills.


Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:17 | 3201573 thedrickster
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The lunatic fringe doesn't watch TV, it reads and unlike serial consumers of propaganda, thinks critically to its detriment.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:10 | 3203407 smacker
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Your commentary describes a generation of people who've been brainwashed by government and the educational system and don't think for themselves, so they've become useful idiots.

I doubt if they're the ones who later become conspiracy theorists and look for FF events. They're more likely to join Common Purpose (the progressive socialist "training" outfit that has infiltrated every nook and cranny of the BBC and the Establshment) and become socialist propaganda drones. Or if they get really desperate, work for the BBC directly.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:51 | 3201506 Richardk888
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Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:54 | 3201514 IamtheREALmario
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The article is right with a couple of exceptions.

1. What the author calls "the lunatic fringe" is not the lunatic fringe. It is middle America... at least all of those who do not spend their entire lives watching television.

2. The so called lunatic fringe is not emotionally disturbed or gullable. In fact they are the opposite because they are not victims of mind numbing lies and propaganda pumped at the people of this country 24/7.

3. Yes, the so called fringe have cast aside the lies told by government and the captive mind numbing media and instead listen to the actual evidence ... most often the evidence that the government and media intend to hide from the people, but is infinitely verifiable.

As the fringe grows the old seats of power are finding themselves increasingly obsolete and irrelevant and all they can do is stamp their feet and threaten violence against peaceful people. This must be uncomfortable for the parasites who have lived off the good will ofthe people and betrayed their confidence for so long.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:38 | 3201609 knowless
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i think author might just like rabble rousing.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:02 | 3201646 Braverdave
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Yeah, rabble rousing. It's fun.

Yank peoples chains and don't care what reaction you get so long as you get a reaction.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 00:59 | 3201531 trentusa
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The all-time worst article ever. Have to be careful counting on ZH for real news from now on. So jfk and 911 happened just like they say eh tyler?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:07 | 3201552 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I am of the mind articles like these are to seperate the real nut jobs from the critical thinking nut jobs. It might be a conspiracy though.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:03 | 3201543 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I guess Whodini was right about freaks and night time.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:18 | 3201575 mayhem_korner
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It's not night everywhere, DCH.  Ever.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 23:33 | 3205037 mkhs
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It may not be night, but darkness comes.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 03:01 | 3201702 Manic by Proxy
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Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:08 | 3201550 ShakaZulu
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I'm sure you all caught that the SARC meter was running as this article was written?

I try not to be too hard on those whose eyes are still closed.  I myself had an awakening when I realized that my immediate knee-jerk reaction to 9/11 was "Arab Terrorists."  I had been programmed of course to react exactly that way.  I've since gone off the matrix reservation they all planned for us and with the help of the internet have comforted myself in the knowledge that I am NOT the only crazy one.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:08 | 3201551 strayaway
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"When the truth is found to be lies

and all the hope withing you dies...


den vat?"

Coen Bros. "Serious Man" (2009) -Rabbi Marshak Scene

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 23:45 | 3205058 mkhs
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Grace did a better job of saying it.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:18 | 3201554 ebworthen
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I need to go buy me a roll of heavy duty aluminium foil.

p.s. - Red Rider:  "Lunatic Fringe" circa 1981

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:13 | 3201558 The Joker
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9/11 is obvious and anyone who has "faith" in the official story is officially an idiot.

Anthropogenic Climate Change is an obvious joke to anyone who has done any serious research on the subject.  Not only that but the "methods" that are being employed to prevent further climate change are more damaging than the natural climate change ever could be.  Some of these methods fall under the umbrella of geoengineering.  Solar Radiation Management (SRM) is only one of the many methods of geoengineering that tosses more pollutants (aluminum oxide, barium, etc) into the atmosphere than any industry would be jeolous of.  AKA "chemtrails", the idea behind SRM is to seed clouds and create an albedo effect.  That is, clouds reflect irradiation (heat) from the sun back into space.  And you all thought clouds (being 99% of the greenhouse gases in water vapor) actually trap heat.  They don't, they have a cooling affect, proved by NASA spectrometers.  Any maroon can step outside on a sunny day and compare it to a cloudy day and tell you that, but just keep believing the opposite because that's what the talking heads tell you, don't trust your senses.  I digress, these climate change prevention/reversal methods are not conspiracy, they are US policy, they have been researched and are being employed.  They are explained on the COUNCIL OF FOREIGN RELATIONS website, you know, the group of people that have absolutely no influence in the world, according to the author. Dennis Kucinich is one of the few politicians that has tried to fight geoengineering.  Newsflash to the author:  if there are actually written policies regarding actions taken by the US, it's not a fucking conspiracy theory by a nutjob.  If there are actual hearings on said policies and worldwide organizations discussing such policies, it's not a fucking cospiracy theory by a nutjob, IT'S FUCKING POLICY.  Do some fucking research before spouting off.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:49 | 3201628 uncle reggie
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Oh poor joker, only the arrogant continue to think we aren't having an impact on the climate. The "obvious joke" says all I need to know about your critical thinking skills.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 12:21 | 3202678 The Joker
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Here's a critical thinking quiz for you: 

If water vapor (clouds) have a greenhouse affect, then why is the government using cloud seeding to battle global warming? 

If clouds trap heat then why are surface temperatures warmer than tropospheric temperatures?

If the greenhouse theory holds that humidity increases, then why does the NCDC show that humidity has been decreasing by 18% over the last ten years? 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:15 | 3201565 thedrickster
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Lunatic Fringe? Present and accounted for.

Irreversibly off the reservation, aware and eternally hostile.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:04 | 3201650 Braverdave
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... and maybe slightly dazed and confused.

Unwashed certainly ;)

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 11:07 | 3202354 Savyindallas
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and soon to be the Lunatic Majority-it's inevitable - Ye shall know the Truth  -and the Truth shall set you Free

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:20 | 3201576 wretch
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I'll have all y'all know that a tinfoil hat (and suit) provide excellent protection from Active Denial Systems.


ETA: The author of this article is a know-it-all poopypants.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:20 | 3201580 IamtheREALmario
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I wonder if the pre-civil war Spanish had people such as this author claiming that there were no communist terrorist squads (now documented history, since the communists lost) causing havoc and making the people scream for more protection from the government.

I often wonder if these false flag events ... and evidence points to them all being false flag events are the result of rogue communist hit squads (like those in Spain) and friends of Obama trying to undermine the safety and security of the people so that government can step in with a communist dictator.

If they did it once or many times in the past and were successful, why would they not do it again?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:19 | 3201667 toomanyfakecons...
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Instead of asking "If they did it once or many times in the past and were successful, why would they not do it again?", I think the real question is "If they did it once or many times in the past and were successful, why the fuck would they think they could achieve the same success in a free country ABSOLUTELY DRENCHED IN PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS and FULL OF PISSED OFF PATRIOTS?"

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:26 | 3201594 IamtheREALmario
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Per Wikipedia

The Chindits were a British India "Special Force" that served in Burma and India in 1943 and 1944 during the Burma Campaign in World War II. They were formed to put into effect Orde Wingate's newly developed guerilla warfare tactic of long range penetration. The Chindits were trained to operate deep behind Japanese lines.

One wonders what the purpose of a Chindit posting an article on ZH would be....

... to infiltrate the perceived enemy and draw them into controvery? ZH is a breeding ground and collection point for those who have no respect for elitists and their schemes.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:08 | 3201654 Braverdave
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Well, he is obviously a spy.

Up against the wall with him.

You may fire when read, Gridley.


Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:25 | 3201673 Manic by Proxy
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I say Gridley, leave that goat alone and fire when ready.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:31 | 3203502 Raymond K Hessel
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You do know it's Tyler that posts articles here?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 11:04 | 3202342 Savyindallas
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If not a spy -Chindit is obviously a fool

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:34 | 3201598 Ungaro
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People of all walks of life and belief systems have lost faith, not only in their governments but all institutions: churches, corporations, schools, banks, non-profits, the media, and all levels of government. This came about as a result of deception, deceit, abuse of power, lies, self-serving money- and power grabs, lack of transparency and a near complete lack of accountability.

The natural reaction to such loss of faith is apathy at first, frustration and helplessness, then anger and finally rage. It eventually results in a complete breakdown of society. Revolution is pretty near impossible against the government's military might and FEMA camps, so society just disintegrates, slowly at first and then quite rapidly. Many decide to leave the country for good, others just hunker down while ignoring contracts, laws and regulations of all kinds, they stop making payments and start looking for handouts.

Are we there yet? Almost.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:06 | 3201652 toomanyfakecons...
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Please cut the crap with the "Revolution is pretty near impossible against the government's military might and FEMA camps" garbage. Those in political power are living on borrowed time and they know it. 


If the good guys in leadership positions in our military won't put the smack down and arrest a large portion of the civilian government, the people may just unleash a firestorm insurgency the world has never seen. Heavy weapons and smart weapons are a LIABILITY when just a few military men stand up and aim them where they should be aimed. Besides, if a domestic insurgency developed, a fraction of motivated Americans with small arms could have all of the bad guys face down in the mud 24/7 for fear of getting their heads shot off.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 10:39 | 3202248 Urban Redneck
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The natural human tendency to mitigate frustration and helplessness by attaching names and faces to a systemic beast is counter productive, for it can easily lead to a seeming "resurrection" of said systemic beast with new names and faces, because the individuals charged with remedying the current situation fail to address the underlying root causes of the problems with the system.


Thu, 01/31/2013 - 11:02 | 3202332 tip e. canoe
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all the world's a giant game of the prisoners' dilemma, and we are merely players, all of us, whether we're playing the lead or a two-bit stagehand.    the worst part of it is that somewhere down the line, the exit sign got taken down.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:30 | 3201601 lasvegaspersona
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We are in an America where Youtube videos about the Anauki are as believable as the minutes of a Fed meeting. When it is obvious the governemnt is lying about almost everything who can blame people for considering the existence of 'globalists' and the NWO? When the Constitution is disregarded people rightly believe the government is capable of anything.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 06:25 | 3201841 UP Forester
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Do you mean the Anunaki, those that created Gilgamesh and Enkidu to rule over the black-headed ones?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:38 | 3201605 fuu
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Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:53 | 3201608 cherry picker
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They'r going to take me away ha ha ho ho, to the funny farm

That line written for a song ages ago, applies to me today as I really could care less if anyone thinks I am loony or not.   I know what I am and what I believe in.  I care for people.

Those who would brand me as loony are traitors to this thing called life where men should be free.

I think the CIA is an aberration and should be shut down with the criminals who aided in torture and false improsnment brought to trial.  I think Bush and Obama should be tried for war crimes.

They would do it to me in a minute for a lot less.  Time to bring justice back to America as without justice there can be no liberty.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:39 | 3201611 uncle reggie
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Trust in government has eroded over many decades of lies not just the "last decade." The lies and deceptions of American leaders fill the historical record. Many of the conspiracies dismissed in this article have more credibility, given what we now know about our government, than the drivel spouted by this writer. Look at the collapse of wtc #7, then look at the film showing the impact at the pentagon and your own eyes will tell you the 9/11 commission report is a lie.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:47 | 3201623 Atomizer
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Those misguided Twats who slipped thru the educational indoctrination. Just shakes my head / sarc

Red Rider - Lunatic Fringe

Quite honestly, I need to hunt down my school teachers and either hug them or shake their hand. Sorry Mr. Edmonson. Looking back at things during your daily jog in Chagrin Falls OH. Those vulgar drive by mooning’s probably worn you down. Also tell principle Limey and Bobo they did a first rate job. Since we are clearing the air, it was me Mr. Jackson aka Jackass . When you asked me to turn over my 5-1/4” disk, my Crapple computer school work was on it. You never did understand how to open the MS-DOS  directory file. Mr. Jackass was the person who would call my mom and tell her Atomizer was kicking soccer balls on the roof of the school building. Calmly, my mother would tell Jackass that Atomizer is home today. It was a Ferris Bueller moment..

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:50 | 3201627 toomanyfakecons...
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Sandy Hook fell at freefall speed thanks to McVeigh's Mannlicher-Carcano bomb in the Gulf of Tonkin where the ammunition laden Lusitania rests.

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 02:19 | 3205323 chindit13
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That would be "where the ammunition bin laden Lusitania rests"

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 01:49 | 3201632 Vendetta
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An unquestioning mind is an indoctrinated mind.

"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think." -Adolf Hitler

Who are the lunatics again?
Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:02 | 3201644 gwar5
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"If Random chance is punishing you 100% of the time then it's not random, it's a conspiracy. Of course there are people who engineer future outcomes which do not take outsider considerations into account. And if we didn't do it in secret it wouldn't work nearly so well." --  Conspirator


There is a an obvious and deliberate attempt to divide and distract the American public and destabilize them while they are also under economic duress and uncertainty. Same thing is being done to Europeans. We are being distracted from being plundered so we don't come together to fight for our own future.

Soviet KGB spent 80% of their budget on just these activities.

After collapse a new government paradigm is introduced. Destabilization > Crises > Collapse > New Paradigm, which is welcomed post-collapse by the masses "as the only solution."  

Cloward and Piven is just a description of KGB SOP.



Thu, 01/31/2013 - 04:50 | 3201656 Rusty Shorts
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Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:17 | 3201665 masaccio
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Where do the goldbugs fit into your scenario of distrust?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:23 | 3201672 michigan independant
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When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?"

"Woe to those who ignore it."  Exactly chindit shake the dust off your sandals since for them ....




Thu, 01/31/2013 - 04:43 | 3201760 Aurora Ex Machina
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Delightful! You've just illustrated the point of this article with a naviety and child-like innocence that is priceless.

The Pharisees weren't in power at the time of Christ - it was the Sadducees.

The Sadducees (Hebrew: ????????? ??dûqîm) were a sect or group of Jews that were active in Judea during the Second Temple period, starting from the second century BCE through the destruction of the Temple in 70 CE. The sect was identified by Josephus with the upper social and economic echelon of Judean society.[1] As a whole, the sect fulfilled various political, social, and religious roles, including maintaining the Temple. The Sadducees are often compared to other contemporaneous sects, including the Pharisees and the Essenes. Their sect is believed to have become extinct sometime after the destruction of Herod's Temple in Jerusalem in 70 CE, but it has been speculated that the later Karaites may have had some roots or connections with old Sadducee views.[wiki]


Conflicts between the Pharisees and the Sadducees took place in the context of much broader and longstanding social and religious conflicts among Jews dating back to the Babylonian captivity and exacerbated by the Roman conquest. One conflict was class, between the wealthy and the poor, as the Sadducees included mainly the priestly and aristocratic families.[1] Another conflict was cultural, between those who favored Hellenization and those who resisted it. A third was juridico-religious, between those who emphasized the importance of the Second Temple with its cultic rites and services, and those who emphasized the importance of other Mosaic laws and prophetic values. A fourth point of conflict, specifically religious, involved different interpretations of the Torah and how to apply it to current Jewish life, with the Sadducees recognizing only the Written Torah and rejecting doctrines such as the Oral Torah and the Resurrection of the Dead. [wiki][1]


Remind me again if the Gospels were written at the time, or over 70 years later after the failed revolution against Rome? Also remind me who held power in the courts that the Romans allowed which presented Jesus to Pilate, would it have been the Pharisees? Can you also wonder at how an entire caste of society "went extinct" after the Roman army smashed the temple, and yet there's no contemporary (Roman) records of Roman justice eradicating them? And remind me why the "bad Jews" were changed from the upper class Sadducees to the lower class Pharisees in the Gospels? Was it because the Pharisees had replaced the Sadducees at the time of writing, and so were the power-structure to rail against, or was it for alterior motives to protect the actually guilty aristocratic class from blame?


Conspiracy theory: it's over 2,000 years old, bro. And the best bit is, it's hidden in plain sight ~ class war, Biblical style.




[1] Bonus points if you can tell me which of the two views won the long culture war. Hint, it doesn't begin with "S". CF Karaites, who also lost.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 05:46 | 3201811 Disenchanted
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"tell me which of the two views won the long culture war."


The Frankist-Sabbateans hiding behind the skirts of Babylonian Talmudism won...



Palestine is not the ultimate goal of the Jews; the world is.  Palestine is just the place for world state headquarters…..The Jews intend to turn Jerusalem into the supreme capital of the world, and its rebuilt temple into the focal point of the Spirit on Earth. Christianity will die, the spirit will depart from the nations in our part of the world, and our present dubious democracy will be supplanted by a vast theocratic state. De-spiritualized and uprooted, homeless and lonely, yesterday’s Masters of the World [WASPs] will become slaves in all but name….The Jewish universe is good for Jews. It is a curse for others.  In the US, as Jewish influence has grown steadily since 1968, the lives of ordinary people have worsened. A good time for the Jews is not a good time for mankind. The blessing of the Jews is a curse for others. The regimes that are “good for Jews” are rarely good for anybody else. ~ Israel Shamir
Thu, 01/31/2013 - 11:06 | 3202350 tip e. canoe
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my question is: what happened to the Essenes?

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 22:06 | 3208223 Aurora Ex Machina
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Walked into the desert, I heard...

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:24 | 3201675 gbresnahan
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After the "mainstream" media's treatment of Ron Paul I concluded that media can no longer be trusted.

We need some new media choices, I'm done with these fabricated stories passed off as "news."

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:32 | 3201682 knowless
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white males just need to accept their lineage of guilt. anything that was contributed by your demographic is held by the public, any crimes are held by you. and anyone who isnt a part is implicated by race.

just the way it is, deal with it. don't even try to succeed. cause guess what buddy, everyone hates a white man in a global democracy, you're worse than jews. you fucking anglos.


i wish i could type the above in some sense that didn't encompas a broadening demographic of understanding. but sadly, whites will be the niggers. do you know why? because they have become devoid of reality. and can continue to pretend as if their noncontribution outweighs that of those who do real work. no debate necesarry. fools. folks.


reconfigure understandings of demographics as necessarry for your goals and aims, i'm sure it's lucrative where you come from.


can we focus on job titles though? like, who exactly runs those orders, withough misplaced sympathy for specfic hair types and eye colors? can we have real justice?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:38 | 3201686 knowless
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citations and grammatical/spelling changes needed.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 03:36 | 3201728 IridiumRebel
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....and a name change to "fucking dipshit".

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:46 | 3201690 q99x2
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I lost faith with the recent 7,000 machine guns and the 1.4 billion hollow point and the 200,000 million sniper rounds and then the practicing of military that used blanks in machine guns from helicopters in Miami. I'm pretty convinced it is everyone against 6,000 banksters. If I'm wrong the world without 6,000 banksters is no big loss.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:51 | 3201692 Peter Pan
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The real lunatic fringe is in the White House, the central banks of the world, the Senate and is financed, backed and directed by the ultra wealthy lunatic fringe that resides amongst the nation's top 1% of wealth owners.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:51 | 3201694 williambanzai7
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As a fringe lowbrow ZH moron, I resemble that remark!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:55 | 3201697 Manic by Proxy
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My brow is lower than yours.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 02:53 | 3201695 Manic by Proxy
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"The nation's leadership is viewed not with admiration, but with distrust." I think what you meant to say in place of distrust was "deep revulsion, scorn, fear and hatred, tempered by a judiciously considered desire to amass weapons,  ammunition and the image of politicians festooning lampposts in memory of Mussolini" Yeah, that's what you meant.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 03:02 | 3201703 antidisestablis...
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Excellent article, very sensible.  Prepare for lunatic backlash.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 07:27 | 3201866 PhilofOz
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Have you read anything at all that precedes your own braindead comment?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 03:05 | 3201708 scrappy
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Real Solutions.

There’s a new Henry George “Movie” in the works I hear.



Do you have a link on your site for this magazine?

It is the oldest after all.

Best Regards, Scrap


Thu, 01/31/2013 - 03:33 | 3201721 IridiumRebel
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You know what it is about me? I am an alcoholic in recovery so I didn't give two shits until I woke up 7 years ago. Since then the world just looks different after not spending every day trying to retard myself. To stop the vicious cycle I had to stop lying to myself. Now, I FUCKING LOATHE LIARS. I feel like I am perpetually lied to and it pisses me off to no end. FUCK! I hate it. I have to listen to AM radio so I don't have to watch a porn star look alike infotain me. Just tell me the fucking truth. If we are headed Into a shitstorm FUCKING WARN ME. I have to dig for truth and that's bullshit. We know that CNNBCBSBBCABC is just shit being shoveled at us from brain dead "news" readers. People are waking up. Read the comments section of any article. They are now riddled with angry shit calling out folks who are just sick of the lies and bullshit. You know sometime soon someone is gonna snap and start the first domino. Then these "news" crews will swoop in to cover and play party to it as if they are innocent. Fuck you. I hope your "news" station fucking folds and you have to go back to serving smarmy Biz guys at Apple-fucking-Bees who tip like shit. RANT OVER.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 04:15 | 3201754 slackrabbit
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As I said to a BBC reporter 'If this shit goes south, not all of the protesters are gonna be marching on parliament'.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 09:26 | 3202031 farmerjohn2112
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Word. +1

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 03:29 | 3201722 Miles Kendig
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Very good too see you in such fine form chindit13.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 03:29 | 3201723 Me_Myself_and_I
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All that.. and you miss the fact that a good number of the fringe are flat out racist, and can't handle the fact that the American Electorate chose a half-black guy over a white one.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 03:38 | 3201729 Gunga
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The feral government is afraid we will awaken before we give up our guns.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 03:53 | 3201737 luckylongshot
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Labelling people who believe that there are conspiracies  as whack jobs makes this article yet another piece of elitist propaganda. The linking of the words conspiracy and theorist has been an ongoing strategy of the elite and now they are taking it to the next level, saying those who believe in conspiracies are nuts. The problem is history and research both show conspiracies are a regular and ongoing occurrence. For example recent research by Vitali Glattfelder and Battiston (2011) proved that there is a single entity that owns and controls 80% of the worlds wealth and income...No more bullshit like this article please Tyler!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 10:48 | 3202284 Urban Redneck
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"single entity" ... "owns and controls" ... perhaps you should read the paper or be more careful with your characterizations.

Otherwise, you're just giving the rest of us Lunatics a bad name.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 03:55 | 3201739 Likstane
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I think it was George Noory from Coast to Coast AM who said, "Not everything is a conspiracy, but most of it is"

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 04:08 | 3201745 ebworthen
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One of George's guests on "Coast to Coast AM" said that it is easier (less cognitive dissonance) to believe in some grand conspiracy than to realize the the world is a place of utter chaos - over which any individual has zero control.

I can see that millions of greedy sociopathic selfish mammon lusting assholes could cause a lot of pain and suffereing for good people and the society, with or without a conspiracy.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 04:18 | 3201744 slackrabbit
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When the government lies as this article continually says, how do you know  the 'conspiracies' are not true?

I mean, they wouldn't use citizens as test subjects would they?


Yea mate, we 'preppers' we are all lunatic fringe types.


Cleary this writer doesn't get the story of the boy who cried wolf, so I'll explain: When you lie all the time, people not only do not trust you; they stop listening period!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 04:07 | 3201747 knowless
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the army of the twelve monkeys of course.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 05:19 | 3201784 Aurora Ex Machina
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Belief creates the actual fact ~ William James, who was instrumental in shaping modern American thought.

James went on to apply the pragmatic method to the epistemological problem of truth. He would seek the meaning of 'true' by examining how the idea functioned in our lives. A belief was true, he said, if it worked for all of us, and guided us expeditiously through our semi hospitable world. James was anxious to uncover what true beliefs amounted to in human life, what their "Cash Value" was, what consequences they led to. A belief was not a mental entity which somehow mysteriously corresponded to an external reality if the belief were true. Beliefs were ways of acting with reference to a precarious environment, and to say they were true was to say they guided us satisfactorily in this environment. In this sense the pragmatic theory of truth applied Darwinian ideas in philosophy; it made survival the test of intellectual as well as biological fitness. If what was true was what worked, we can scientifically investigate religion's claim to truth in the same manner. The enduring quality of religious beliefs throughout recorded history and in all cultures gave indirect support for the view that such beliefs worked. James also argued directly that such beliefs were satisfying—they enabled us to lead fuller, richer lives and were more viable than their alternatives. Religious beliefs were expedient in human existence, just as scientific beliefs were.


Time to grow up, and go beyond these rather primitive underpinnings of your society. I've highlighted the ironic bit, just to hint at his actual role. 


Meta point: conspiracy sells, and this article generating the amount of hits / outrage / responses it has is precisely its point. Everyone has an angle, and the best you can do is make sure it fits with the base-line rules of the Universe, and coherent systems such as Logic. It's all heuristics, the problem is merely one of signifying to each other where you are on the chain. The real solution is to abandon the ideological position of Power and Control, towards an open and empathetic society, but it appears entrenched at this point. "The death of ~isms".

Oh, and Be excellent to each other.



If you want to know what's shortly due for the guillotine look for the most obvious of all symptoms: extremism. It is an almost infallible sign — a kind of death-rattle — when a human institution is forced by its members into stressing those and only those factors which are identificatory, at the expense of others which it necessarily shares with competing institutions because human beings belong to all of them. ~ Stand on Zanzibar.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 05:16 | 3201793 EZYJET PILOT
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Why is this on zerohedge?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 08:25 | 3201922 SmallerGovNow2
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because there are a large number of wingnuts who gravitate toward this site...

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 05:17 | 3201796 caerus
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short AMZN

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 05:21 | 3201800 SunRise
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Sounds like chindit is all but converted to the lunatic fringe.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 05:36 | 3201805 The Navigator
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Hey Tyler and Chindit

Next time you use a picture of me related to an article, please ask permission 1st.

Thank you, Colonel Tin Hat.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 06:09 | 3201826 smacker
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"..moonbats, the wingnuts, the whackjobs, the Conspiratorialists."

I don't think all of these people, and others (l00ns, whacknuts et al) are the way they are simply because of a loss of trust in government, although there are a lot of people in this category and it's not surprising.

"If political elites don't like being called liars and criminals the simple solution is for them to stop lying and stop stealing."

But it's also true that some people are barmy because they have a political agenda or psychopathic problems. In these cases, the Internet simply provides them with a platform to spout their garbage and bully/control others.

One of the early parts of the Internet "Usenet" has always overflowed with bullies, thugs, cyber-stalkers and other people who are at least one sandwich short of a picnic. And I know at least several Lefty bloggers with political agendas who will twist and distort facts to paint the Right as having an evil agenda, even resorting to manufacturing lies.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 06:19 | 3201836 indio007
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All I know is 30 years of FAA data and testing confirms Jet Fuel A DOES NOT explode at sea level.

In fact, according to domestic law , Jet A is not a flammable liquid.


A Review of the Flammability

Hazard of Jet A Fuel Vapor in Civil

Transport Aircraft Fuel Tanks

"Jet A and A-1 flash points are currently specified to be a minimum of 37.8°C (100°F). This limit was set in 1975, when it was reduced from 40.6°C (105°F), in order to conform to commodity classifications of “nonflammable” liquids [4]."

Spark Ignition Energy Measurements in Jet A

See figure 21 pg. 33


DOT Requirements for Transporting Fuels in Tanks



Current 49 CFR 173.120(b) language generally defines combustible liquids as materials with a 
FP > 141F (60.5 C) and < 200F (93 C).

Jet A fuel demo

Jet A cooker

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 10:08 | 3202128 indio007
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wow 3 dislikes?

What did test data ever do to you?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 06:29 | 3201842 WalterWhite
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Once again.

The enlightened smart people are going to tell us how it is. Anyone who has an unconventional view is a nut job.

Dont deal with the actual facts. Just call them conspiracy nuts and that ends the argument.

This auther is firmly stuck in the matrix and doesnt know it.


Thu, 01/31/2013 - 06:32 | 3201843 Shylockracy
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A post redolent of Marla Singer's mephitic zionist agitprop.

Chindit, time to follow Marla and make alyiah to Hufpo or to Isntreal proper.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 06:35 | 3201845 WalterWhite
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Why not deal with one actual fact having to do with one actual "conspiracy theory"?

These people cant be lowered to actually deal with a truth. They are too sophisticated.

We should all bow down to their wisdom and repent our devious views.

Shame on us,.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 07:40 | 3201871 Mi Naem
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Well "chindit", as a former member of the lunatic mainstream, I've got two words for you: Tower Seven. 


Actually, I'm not quite done with you yet.  You write this condescending piece of crap worthy of the Washington Post Magazine.  The least you could do is consider who your audience is - many of us learned that back in elementary school.  

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 07:53 | 3201872 chindit13
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Here is the point of this article.  Many things are in plain sight, yet the PTB still have the temerity to pretend they didn’t steal your wallet, and expect you to believe it.  When the lie is patently obvious, many begin to assume other less certain things might also be lies.  While I do not subscribe to most of the views and opinions that have arisen concerning these less certain things, I fully appreciate the tendency for the disillusioned citizen to begin to consider even the patently absurd, plus everything in between.  That is a natural progression once trust is gone.  Think of it like the person cheated on by the spouse:  nothing is believed anymore.

The PTB may well get a good chuckle out of many of the beliefs held by the fringe elements of society, but by abusing their positions and trying to hoodwink the populace into thinking the leaderships’ pure self-interest, greed, corruption, favoritism, cronyism, and incompetence are for the greater good is hubris that is helping fuel the shift of society toward the fringe.

There is a critical mass, that when reached, must lead to detonation.  As anger, frustration and resentment build amongst the masses, something is going to give.  The PTB might, I repeat might, be able to stem the financial collapse of the system (though I lack the math to determine how), but there comes a point when they will not be able to control the rage that is building throughout society.

History doesn’t have as many examples of violent collapse as we tend to think, but there are some, usually in societies where expectations were excessive, then dashed.  When such collapses do occur, far more than the guilty ones pay a price.  Sane men and women would hope to avoid that, but the longer the PTB refrain from investigating and prosecuting those who have abused their position, the longer they permit a select few to remain above the law, and the longer they ignore the public voice, the greater the likelihood that mass society will extract its own revenge, taking guilty and innocent alike.

Many on this site want everyone who isn’t exactly like them strung up by a lamp post (in an edited version---too late because I did not visit the site---I referenced racism and bigotry).  That view is about as wrong as the manner in which the PTB have behaved.  Two wrongs, however, do not a right make.  Should things accelerate to the downside such unimaginable horrors, personal vendettas, violent racism and bigotry will raise its ugly head.  We can only guess how close we are as a society to that sort of carnage, but it is not guessing at all to say we are on that path.

It CAN happen here.   That is the warning to the PTB.  If you care not for the average citizen, care about yourself.  To dismiss this building wave is to ignore human history.


You can all have your site back now.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 07:52 | 3201890 PhilofOz
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"Collectively, though individually they differ, the beliefs of the Fringe include a conspiracy behind the JFK assassination, a faked moon landing, and the current favorite:  that 911 was an “inside” job.  The collective also includes the Birthers, and those who believe in everything from FEMA Camps to chemtrails to that retro old favorite of Colonel Jack Ripper, fluoridation.  (Those unfamiliar with these terms should Google them for more information than one might care to have.) The Fringe holds beliefs that have the world controlled variously by the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the Bilderbergers, Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones, the Council on Foreign Relations, 33rd Degree Freemasons, the Vatican, the Queen of England, or just The Illuminati"


So is there one of the above so called conspiracy theories that you consider possible or likely? You've obviously thrown in nutjobs with clued-up thinkers like ae911 truth all in the one basket. You've attempted to make them all look like crazies. You deserve the mountain of negative comment.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 08:35 | 3201933 SmallerGovNow2
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You are not "clued-up" if you think 911 was an inside job...

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 08:45 | 3201943 PhilofOz
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Anyone, and I mean ANYONE with an IQ above room temperature that studies the mountain of evidence that is now available online, just as any jury would do so in any criminal case, would know without the slightest doubt that 911 was an inside job. You are a paid shill or a complete fool. What is it?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 11:09 | 3202357 Urban Redneck
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Interesting, "inside job" & "criminal case".  Where the rubber, would finally, meet the road.

The problem for the theorists (in the case of the theories developed to plug the gaps and lies in the "official" account of 9/11) is that there are actual people within the system who are tasked with commanding and executing the dirty deeds of the State. 

The theories, as generally written, are exposed and (understandably) interpreted as the derided "lunacy", when you start examining the actual people, behind the actual desks, behind the dense fog that surrounds such mysterious places as Langley, VA.


Thu, 01/31/2013 - 07:55 | 3201891 Mi Naem
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Apparently it hasn't really crossed your mind that once fundamental "truths" with which most of us were raised and took for granted are proved to be completely false by incontrovertibly observed events, then other similar assumptions are called into question.  To NOT examine the narratives by which our lives were run is lunatic. 

You refer to that as the fringe.  In fact, it is the populace waking to to our being molested while we slept, by assailants we didn't know existed or who we thought were on our side.  Yes it's disorienting, and mistakes will be made, but it is a healthy and necessary process which sufficient numbers of us must engage with sufficient thought and vigor to prevent our virtual enslavement in the evolving world order. 

So, how about you STFU and go back to sleep. 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 08:01 | 3201896 Mi Naem
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Oh, and the very fact that you have to start a backpedaling piece of conciliatory explanation with "Here is the point of this article" shows that you really squatted in the middle of the road and sliced off a steaming pile. 

Don't quit your day job. 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 08:08 | 3201901 overmedicatedun...
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chin, far above the common man, the tone of your piece is somewhat how shall we say it...elitist and blind..not a fan.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 08:53 | 3201958 chindit13
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Wasn't looking for any fans here.  I wrote with a tone and content aimed at a different target.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:14 | 3203270 akak
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Chindit, your explanation here of your article seems so far removed from the tone and message of the original article that I am left even more confused than I was after reading the original.  Am I (and apparently most others here) just being obtuse, or is it possible that your original message was radically miscommunicated?  Whatever you intended that message to be, it still comes across to me as an implicit indictment of ALL those who hold non-conventional, anti-establishment, non-"mainstream" opinions and views, no matter how logical or reality-based those views and opinions may be.

Having found myself so often, from my earliest memories, in the position of questioning and challenging authority, frequently being the "outsider" among those around me, thinking for myself (to the best of my ability), and refusing to "go along" without good reason, I can instinctively sense when I am in the presence of the opposite: the conformist.  And I must admit that your original article set off most if not all of my alarms in that regard.  Now perhaps I am not as intelligent as I think I am --- or perhaps you just really dropped the ball this time.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 08:59 | 3201971 chindit13
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No backpedaling, no conciliatory tone, but your metaphors are more than kind.

Glad you enjoyed reading it. I hope certain others get as much out of it.


Thu, 01/31/2013 - 09:14 | 3202004 Ralph Spoilsport
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Colorful metaphors.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 08:35 | 3201928 SmallerGovNow2
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chindit, despite the negative comments here, I think you penned an excellent article.  Spot on IMO... 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 09:08 | 3201984 Ralph Spoilsport
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Chindit, this has been an interesting thought experiment by you and the Tylers. Pretty much everyone has chimed in with comments and some stalwarts have actually changed course.

You used the mainstream and classic CTs for examples but didn't include the ones that require backing way the hell off and using your widest angle lens. It requires thinking so far outside the box that you can only grasp it by viewing the box remotely from the ISS. Why is ZH still allowed to exist along with the other alternate media outfits and personalities that have achieved prominence and success? You'll get there eventually (if you haven't already and are just sandbagging). I expect that you and some of the other luminaries here will have some well considered observations when this becomes more obvious (but not a mainstream meme, not yet).

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 10:34 | 3202234 suteibu
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"Here is the point of this article."

Having to explain your point only means that your original piece was a failure.  Stop whining and take your ass-kicking like a man.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:22 | 3203451 akak
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Having to explain your point only means that your original piece was a failure.

I must concur with this assessment.

I don't believe I have ever seen even remotely as many comments in a ZH thread arguing, not for or against the message of the original article, but debating what that message actually was.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:51 | 3203587 chindit13
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Come on akak, you're a smart guy.  You can figure it out.  It might be a pointless exercise, but it was crafted a particular way for a reason. 


Thu, 01/31/2013 - 20:31 | 3204551 1C3-N1N3
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I don't believe I have ever seen even remotely as many comments in a ZH thread arguing, not for or against the message of the original article, but debating what that message actually was.


If you wonder why Tyler would want YOU to read this, I would recommend that you wonder differently.

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 01:09 | 3205232 agrotera
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The messages and meaning of most all enduring art is very often hotly debated!


Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:52 | 3203585 chindit13
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No, it achieved its intended objective.  In fact, it was received far better than I thought.  I'm not one to worry much about negative feedback, so ass-kicking is not something to which I am vulnerable.  The last laugh belongs to me.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 16:03 | 3203649 suteibu
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So lumping people concerned about the direction of the nation in with the fake moon landing crowd is not bad enough, you had another agenda with this article?  Rather like adding injury to insult, isn't it?  Perhaps you should speak the truth instead of trying to manipulate the masses for your amusement.  That said, I think you're lying.  I believe you put this article here as a serious point of discussion.  You failed.

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