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Is China Mobilizing For A War With Japan?
We don't know if it merely a coincidence that a story has emerged discussing a Chinese mobilization in response to the ongoing territorial feud with Japan over the Diaoyu/Senkaku islands (and the proximal massive gas field) the very week that China celebrates its new year (and days after news that a Chinese warship was very close to firing on a Japanese destroyer). We don't know how much of the story is based in reality, and how much may be propaganda or furthering someone's agenda. What we do know is that the source of the story: offshore-based, Falun Gong-affiliated NTDTV has historically been a credible source of information that the China communist party desperately tries to censor, such as breaking the news of the SARS epidemic in 2003 some three weeks before China publicly admitted it. Its motto is "to bring truthful and uncensored information into and out of China." If that is indeed the case, and its story of major troop movements and mobilization of various types of military vehicles and artillery into the Fujian and Zhejian provinces, bordering the East China Sea and closest to the Diaoyu islands, is accurate, then hostilities between China and Japan may be about to take a major turn for the worse.
Fujian and Zhejian provinces highlighted below:
The clip that NTDTV released late yesterday covering the news is presented below.
As for the accompanying commentary, we recreate it below in its entirety so nothing is lost in translation (original source).
NTDTV February 8, 2013 News - the continental network transmission, Fujian and Zhejiang troops for several days active. Plus before the news that Chinese warships radar has repeatedly aimed at the Japanese ships and planes, therefore, the media have speculated that China may "prepare for war" Diaoyu Islands .
According to friends broke the news: February 3, Nan'an, Fujian Highway 308, artillery units practical exercise for several days.
February 3 to 6, Fujian, Xiamen, Zhangzhou, Huzhou, a large troop movements, nearly 100 vehicles of various types of military vehicles, armored vehicles, artillery filled the entire road, endless, Xiamen and even the scene of a traffic jam 10 kilometers.
In addition, on February 3 in Shiyan, Hubei, a large number of tanks, wheeled military base from Shiyan room counties is delivered to the coastal areas. Many local residents of the tense situation of some concern.
Prior to this allegation, January 15 and 30, the Chinese navy guided missile frigate, twice the fire control radar lock frigates and ship-borne helicopters of the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force, is also considered to enter a combat state.
According to mainland media quoted the "People's Daily" front-page article claiming that China will not change in point of view on the issue of the Diaoyu Islands , and have to prepare to win the war.
The international media alleged that China has purchased from Russia 239 engine, used in the manufacture of the H-6K. Combat covering the Diaoyu Islands, in this model, the engine can also be used to manufacture transported -20 transport aircraft purchased.
If the engine assembled, will greatly enhance China's military power.
Integrated these signs and reports, people have come to a startling conclusion: Day might want to go to war.
According to military experts, the Sino-Japanese war in the Diaoyu Islands, Fujian and Zhejiang provinces, is the most important logistical base. If the war to expand, at any time, will spread to the provinces of Fujian, Zhejiang.
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Let's see, what's that rather large island just off the coast of Fujian and Zhejian provinces. Oh, right. And I believe that the US has "mutual defense" treaty obligations with said large island. Of course, China has 'mobilized' just across the Taiwan straits many, many times before, so this is just another propaganda exercise, right?
Ho Hum ( In Mandarin that means "watch your ass MF")
Well...happy fuckin' new year, Chinamen!
Does this mean I will no longer get updates on my Roku player?
The economic and political situation in China must have been so bad and shitty that those in power have to resort to staged shows like this to divert people's attention from real issues.
Wars and rumors of wars!
This, I suspect, is a rumor(swan?).
China is planning a lot more than a war with Japan folks, they plan to COLONIZE to the US. I kid you not folks:
http://atrueott.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/china.pdf
It's not just a plan, it's happening now. Where I live is majority Chinese. They work hard mostly in their own businesses, network tightly, are insular and secretive in business matters, and they just keep coming. Native Americans (Europeans) are a rapidly shrinking population, just over 60% of the country and shrinking fast. We are a minority in several states and all the laws favor the foreigners and "minorities." The Chinese are quick to take full advantage of this situation.
A large troop movement? One of the German divisions on the march to attack Moscow was 20 miles long. 100 vehicles?, yeah sure....
Any conflict with Japan will involve Naval and Naval Airforces primarily. In this field China is in a very weak position. Japan has significant force in their Navy and AIr Forces to defeat the Chinese at sea. China's missile forces would come into play and that would escalate the conflict. Ground troops would not come into play except perhaps special forces tasked with taking control on one or more small islands.
The USA would not allow China to gain any type of victory, even if they could overcome the Japanese Naval and Air Forces, which I doubt.
If the USA does finally attack and attempt to conquer Iran, which is a very real possibility, as Obama says Iran is now on the front burner, then China might act in some sense to get a counter victory in the SOuth China Sea. Were I China, I would be pressing Russia to sell advanced mobile missile systems BEFORE I did anything rash. To have any chance at all, China would need fully modern S-400 Mobile AA missile systems, and up to date Iskander surface to surface missile systems in large numbers. They would also need to stock up on the latest sub, air and mobile anti shipping missiles. They would need Russian state of the art Passive air defense networks and electronic counter measure systems. Without the top of the line Russian wepaons, China is just too far behind to have any chance in Naval and Air Warfare.
Jack, totally agree with your assessment of the outcome should China take any physical action against Japan and Japan prove to be unworthy of the Chinese military. The US would be obligated to come to the rescue of Japan. The Chinese must realize this and are most likely just posturing.
If they don't have a clue then they will quickly learn that their military is ilght years behind. A very unlikely scenario since they've been stealing secrets for years, they must know how far behind they are.
General Tso says no, too chicken.
I would bet that Japan has already assembled its nukes. Too much saber-rattling has gone on. They will not be exterminated without taking out Bejing, etc.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/10/software-tracks-social-media...
Some days I wake up and I think that there is some hope for the world. And that things may get better for the inhabitants of this planet. And that humans really are fundamentally good, and not simply selfish gene constructs that will dick each other over to get to that last potato.
Then I come here and soak up the doomer porn and all that disappears.
It's tough knowing.
Poor JPM trying to stop all those Yen from flowing into western gold.
The whole trigger for the 2008 crisis was similar to this....
1). The US sent ships into the South China Sea to patrol around Taiwan.
2). China asked the US to send the ships away immediately.
3). The US refused.
4). China shot down a satellite (Jan 2007) to show they can incapacitate the US fleet if required (all US naval vessels are navigated by GPS), China again asked the US withdraw from the South China Sea.
5). The US refused.
6). China boycott an auction of US treasuries and the 10 year rate unexpectedly jumps 29 basis points in a day (May 2007).
7). Two highly leveraged (x45) Bear Stearns hedge funds collapse (June 2007).
8). Redemptions rip the ought the US financial system triggering CDO's and precipitate a credit crunch.
9). The rest is history.
The US government has larned its lesson.
Now they and the Fed can easily fix 6), 7) and 8).
Jack Burton please update your military knowledge on FarEast.
Just remember how US defeated Japs' navy superiority in Pacific Wars.
I was not aware of a Japanese naval superiority in WWII
The Japanese were winning until Midway. After that, American industry and logistics could more than replace our losses. The Japanese could not replace theirs.
I don't know if Japanese ships were superior in the beginning of the war - their naval aircraft were certainly better than ours in the beginning.
Ghor ..... Pearl Harbor gained the upper hand for Japan only until the Battle of Midway that devistated them. Lots of heroic drama, read US history basics.
Who knows what's steaming inside the opaque Chinese economy. Maybe it's getting ready to blow, and sheeple need to remain in patriotic ardor. I do like the Iran counter menace idea though.
oh yeah and there is also this-
Japan said Feb. 7 that Russian fighter jets intruded on its airspace, which Russia’s Defense Ministry denied.
Russian FightersTwo Russian Su-27s flew over Japan’s northern island of Hokkaido yesterday for more than a minute, Japan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said. Russia’s Defense Ministry said in a statement on its website that while jets were in the area as part of an exercise, they didn’t violate Japanese airspace. Japan and Russia have a territorial dispute over several islands near Hokkaido.
so the plot thickens...
japan, a nation crying for wolf, always. no one will start war with japan.
japan is shitting in their pants as i write... abe is trying desperately to open a direct line to china with nothing but a busy signal at the other end!
they [japan] will privately negotiate a "MOU"... stating explicitly it was a gross over site on their behalf, thusly, china will except without a word-to-the-wise, this apologetic overture of centuries old hubris gone terribly flaccid!
america can't even afford fueling up its aircraft carrier fleet moor'd in virginia for god's sake!
jmo
Rumours of sequester now give us a feel for what military spend world wide is by nation (approx. annual) :
USA : 700 B $
China : 140 B
Russia :70 B
UK/FR/JAP : 60 B each
IND/Saud/Ger : 50 B
BR/IT/S Kor : 35 B
So US is 41% world wide. Why the F*** does the USA have to spend 700 B when the next guy is at 140 ?
Is the US so useless/bang?
because our 'bubble-gum-wrapper-paper' isn't worth a tired yawnuan !
To keep the economy from collapsing??? Oh, wait a second, sorry. My bad.
Team America: World Police. Policing the world is costly.
Using multi-million dollar missles and jets to hunt people on the ground is not very cost-effective, either. Don't worry, soon there will be Terminator androids to fight enemies on the ground using small arms, so the military will become more cost effective. Maybe.
Russia has cut it's bloated officer corps by 2/3rds over the past 5 years and is saving a boatload of money, not to mention having cut a lot of dead-weight by doing so.
In the process they've been implimenting a professional NCO corps (instead of just making the biggest/strongest new recruits into Sergeants to harass and terrorize other recruits with license; I believe some hazing and rites of passage are a good thing but in some countries it's downright nasty) which won't be fully in effect until 2017.
Once Russia has a cadre of truly professional officers and experiences NCOs who can think on their feet (and garner respect from recruits for more legitimate reasons) they'll be a more nimble force and better equipped to fight wars as they're waged today.
Russian patrol planes come close to Japan
Jiji Press
The Air Self-Defense Force scrambled fighter jets Saturday afternoon as two Russian military patrol planes flew close to Japanese airspace over the Sea of Japan, the Defense Agency's Joint Staff said.
There was no violation of Japanese airspace by the Il-38 planes, it said.
The incident came two days after two SU-27 fighters of the Russian air force briefly intruded into Japanese airspace near Rishiri Island, Hokkaido. It was the first airspace violation by Russian aircraft in about five years.
(Feb. 11, 2013)
Isn't there a tank repair and body shop in that direction?
Japan has an advanced air-force and not such a bad navy. G20 in Moscow are about to get heavy with Japan on the Keynesian inspired 'lets have a war' FX destruction
There will be a military skirmish this year. Anytime now.
someone at pk defence forum mentioned about this bizarre news... :)
Re: Diaoyu Islands ??? News and UpdatesUh oh.
:-)
http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-far-east/223260-diaoyu-islands-news-u...