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Santelli Slams Analyst And Media "Myside" Bias

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The overwhelming herding of AAPL's analysts highlighted by James Stewart in today's NY Times sets CNBC's Rick Santelli on a path of truthiness not often seen on business media. Citing the findings, most specifically, "analysts are, in the end, salesmen," Santelli notes that the average investor (listeners and viewers of financial media) have limited time and thus are forced to rely on this herd-like behavior. The audience, of course, hears what it wants to hear as confirmation or 'myside' bias' dominates each and every word uttered. But it's not just the financial analysts, its the political pundits who continue to abjectly ignore an exploding deficit in order to support the 'brand' of independence their media provides. The 'safety in numbers' argument holds up as the analysts group together - all knowing the reality ahead, but terrified to break ranks and admit the emperor is indeed naked.


 


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Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:02 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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"Citing the findings, most specifically, "analysts are, in the end, salesmen,"

Correct. And all writers are, in the end, propagandists.........even those whom you like and respect. :)

We must always question everything, especially when it tickles our confirmation bias.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment redpill
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And sadly, all television hosts, in the end, are whores.  I think Rick does enjoy word fucking us though.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBonus_
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I can't wait for the iPhone 5S. I'm going to get mine on pre-order. I believe the iPhone 5S is going to literally revolutionize the smart phone. If you thought the iPhone was awsome, just wait till you see this baby. This is going to be THE phone to have, so if any of you haven't thought of pre-ordering your iphone yet, you need to start thinking about it now. 

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:14 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Does it have the app that changes 'douchebag' comments into 'useful' ones?...

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:16 | Link to Comment redpill
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Ask Siri, she's sooooo helpful

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:20 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I did. Not surprisingly she told me to take the Blue Pill. :)

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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"Be a contrarian or a victim." - Rick Rule

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 20:07 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Let me know when Siri can give me a decent blow job, then sign me up for one.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:21 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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That twat is about as usefu8l as a fart in an iron lung, screendoor on a submarine, or a central banker in a fiat world.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 16:31 | Link to Comment citrine
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MDB, 

 Excellent post, as always. You did forget to use more adjectives, such as "BRILLIANT retina display", "OUTSTANDING battery life" (quoted Apple website)

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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"analysts are, in the end, salesmen,"

 

CFA...Con Fucking Artist

 

Our members stand apart in their dedication to sound investment ethics, demonstrating trust and competence to their clients, employers, and colleagues. And every CFA member commits to adhere to the highest ethical standards in daily practice, ensuring that investors always come first [right after our employer's prop trading desk].

 

http://www.cfainstitute.org/about/vision/champion/Pages/index.aspx

 

PS:  In a bare-knuckles fight between Liesman and that other dude with a pink shirt, in the CFA photo above, who are you going to pick?

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:35 | Link to Comment OldTrooper
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Dude looks like a lady - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf0oXY4nDxE

Bare-knuckles, it's a toss up between the two.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:55 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Tough bet, I agree.  Steve out weighs "him" by 100 lbs+, but skinny guys fight 'till they're burger.  They both look to have strong jaws, pretty equally matched, so it could go on for a while...I'd surely pay big money to see it.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Freddie
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LOL!  

CFA - Because if you want to beat the indexes - you need a tranny.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:11 | Link to Comment forwardho
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And very well described in your thoughtful expose last week.

Belated thanks for your thoughts.

Best to Mrs Cog

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment battle axe
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But but, what about the Chinese Wall? Bwahaa haaaa haaaa

 

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:35 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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Really rich statement when your paycheck comes from CNBC

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:02 | Link to Comment philosophers bone
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You are going to see this "safety in numbers" argument come up a lot.  S&P's defence?  We weren't negligent, the Fed Chairman said he didn't see the mortgage crisis coming.  And there were underwriters that performed "due diligence"!! [Leaving aside the little fact that those same firm also bet against what they were selling through CDS and the mortgages were largely purchased from the affiliated banks of the underwriters]  And the closing argument:  Not even Jim Cramer saw it coming!!!

L - o - fucking - L.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:02 | Link to Comment redpill
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So what are you going to do about it, Rick?

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:18 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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What's he supposed to do, he's lucky they don't take his microphone away.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:23 | Link to Comment Mike in GA
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Rick calls 'em like he sees 'em with his CNBS megaphone more than ANYONE else on his network.  What else can he do, quit in protest?  He ain't stupid.

 

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:27 | Link to Comment redpill
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I used to feel that way too until I started to realize he always pulls back right at the precipice of declaring the entire system a fraud.  It's a tease job designed to keep pissed off retail investors watching the channel.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:30 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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"he always pulls back right at the precipice of declaring the entire system a fraud. "

He's on CNBC for Gods sake.  They won't fire him because he would take the few viewers they have left.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment redpill
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I don't hold it against him personally as I'm sure the paycheck is decent, but I can guarantee his commentary is always thoroughly vetted by the higher ups.  Got to make sure the Colosseum gets a good show.  The peoples' champion has an important, but always inherently limited and defined, role.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment jcaz
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Dude, he doesn't need the CNBC paycheck- do a little research on his firm before you tell us how well you know him.....

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:52 | Link to Comment redpill
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He's worth about $3 mill, and smart enough to know he's gonna need more than that with what's coming.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 16:55 | Link to Comment jcaz
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LOL- that's a lot of money to you, I'm sure-  keep guessing.....

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 17:19 | Link to Comment redpill
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$3 million as a net worth figure isn't that outrageous, I'd suggest not assuming things about people you don't know.  But that's been the widely reported estimate of his net worth, I'm not guessing anything, and frankly I don't care as the exact number is not material to the conversation.  If he were really filthy rich he wouldn't be getting up ass early and doing the TV charade every day, I guarantee it.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:39 | Link to Comment ToNYC
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He won't be able to be a baseline so the mediamasters can see how high their BS flies. Very useful cat.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 16:56 | Link to Comment devo
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It's a tease job designed to keep pissed off retail investors watching the channel.

exactly.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:02 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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oh no, truthiness !

What's for lunch ?

What day is it today anyway?

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:04 | Link to Comment redpill
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I do liquid lunch on days ending in "y"

 

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:06 | Link to Comment Dr Paul Krugman
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"analysts are, in the end, salesmen,"

How true indeed, but in this respective case, are the salesmen not also analysts?  It would do the man some good to understand that those of us with the correct expertise should be listened to, instead of having those in disagreement make a parady of the situation like a good amount of the cnbc crew do.

As I have been a student of the blogosphere for sometime (having expertise in the field myself) I was informed that a man by the name of Webster Tarpley took a liking to my idea of a tax on banks.  I am glad that someone on the fringe agrees with me.  I would also like to note that the disrespect that I have seen from one Tyler Durden on this blog is upsetting.  Maybe if Tyler wins a Nobel then he can act like he knows better than I.  Until then, people with PhDs should be shown as much respect as anyone.  For are we not all selling something?  And great ideas are too for sale.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 15:22 | Link to Comment sbenard
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Respect? From a committee so self-absorbed in self-congratulation that they award a Peace Prize to someone new on the world stage who has done NOTHING to deserve it? A "committee" that pins itself with awards to establish a mask of credibility so the rest of the world will bow in abeyance before their elitist godfulness? I can't notice helping that you parade around with your self-affixed "Dr" label in a demand that the entire world bow down and worship your Unholy Educated Imbecility, while you demean others with terms like "Doomers" and "bunker babies", as if only your insolent opinion has any value. If you want respect, then stop flagellating yourself with your own self-righteous self-importance. As far as I'm concerned, that badge of "Dr" you brandish with such hubris stands for "Dumber" rather than something to be "respected". You are just another educated imbecile, too puffed up with self-importance to be of any real or "respectable" value to civilization, but concurrently too blinded by your own ego to recognize your own weakness!

I couldn't help thinking of this while reading your washed-out cockamamie Koolaid:

"...and the wise, and the learned, and they that are rich, who are puffed up because of their learning, and their wisdom, and their riches--yea, they are they whom /God/ despiseth; and save they shall cast these things away, and consider themselves fools before God, and come down in the depths of humility, he will not open unto them."

"O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish."

The Book of Mormon

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:06 | Link to Comment fourchan
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so far zerohedgians have been the herd in the wrong. i will admit it.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:14 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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ZH-ers are long math.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:16 | Link to Comment Dr Paul Krugman
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It is true that bunker babies have been wrong.  Doomers are scared creatures who have no hope for a better tomorrow.  Bring up hard economic science solutions like creating debt today to pay off tomorrow and they think people are coming for their guns and gold.  

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:21 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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So I guess it's true after all that the jew paper money & derivative pushing 'experts' have had it right all along... What a relief!

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Dr Paul Krugman
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Lehman and Bear were the banks that were thrown under the bus in '08 by JP Morgan, Bank of America, and the rest.  Bear and Lehman were the "Jew Banks".  So how is it that jews run Wall Street when the Prodistant banks come out on top?

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 15:40 | Link to Comment Hippocratic Oaf
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I junk you for 'prodistant'

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 20:14 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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"they think people are coming for their guns and gold"

So far, they are just coming for the guns.

When suppressing gold prices doesn't work anymore by flooding the market with more worthless paper, they will come for the physical gold.  China and Russia aren't buying futures contracts.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment sbenard
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Excuse me, but WHICH debt is going to be "paid off tomorrow"? Your statement is a flawless example of how deceitful the LEFT, and specifically YOU, are! There is NO debt that we are "paying off". Instead, we're ADDING to the debt hour by hour, day in and day out, in an endless drip of economic water torture that becomes a fiscal ball and chain! The only way you and your kind intend to "pay off" any debt is by relentless inflation that impoverishes everyone but the elites and their cadres of collectivists, while slowly leaving their legions of leeching lemmings  in their wake of devastation. Your demogoguery may work on those lemmings who read the NYT, but most of us here know better and are NOT deceived!

I've been wondering for a long time. Is your middle name CRAZY? Crazy Krugman!

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 15:32 | Link to Comment sbenard
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You're projective assessment of those you demean is not only derogatory, but WRONG! I know many people who see "hope for a better tomorrow" in sound economic principles, rather than your eternal PRINTED prosperity that is temporary in duration, and destructive in ultimacy. We can not defy the laws of SOUND economics forever, try as you might to delude yourself. A Day of Reckoning is coming, and those you deride will have the last laugh. May it be a good and heaarty one!

"Economic science solutions"? Another self-appointed label for a branch of "science" that is often more wrong, than right? If economics wasn't still in its early and imperfect infancy, it could only still be considered to be in its pre-brith stage. Now that's an abortion I could stomach!

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment tempo
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robots replacing humans mega trend accelerating with 48 million now on food stamps/disability payments

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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Yeah, but you can't eat robots.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:11 | Link to Comment Meat Hammer
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I like to ask my liberal friends who slam the Tea Party if they know who Rick Santelli is, then watch their eyes glaze over as they try to remember italian kids from our high school.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:14 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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"The 50 stocks in the S&P 500 with the lowest analyst ratings at the end of 2011 posted an average return of 23 percent in 2012" - Bloomberg

So I basically take stock analysts picks', use "the Constanza Theory" to bet the opposite, and proceed to make mad dough.

Word!

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:26 | Link to Comment eclectic syncretist
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Tis' true. 

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:38 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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You've got it all wrong. You're supposed to buy the stocks they tell you to buy not the stocks that they buy.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:38 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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Whatever child keeps winding up the Santelli doll, would you please fucking STOP IT?!?!

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:41 | Link to Comment zendome
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The '08 crash should have taught everyone that no one is to be trusted. We're on our own and should act/react accordingly.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment sbenard
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Ben Bernanke. He never met a bubble -- pardon me, "wealth effect" -- he didn't like. But that's just what he's blowing -- more bubbles! And what goes up, must eventually and inevitably come down!

BUBBLES Bernanke!

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:50 | Link to Comment Florida Joe
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Dr Paul Krugman says

 

" . . . Bring up hard economic science solutions like creating debt today to pay off tomorrow and they think people are coming for their guns and gold."

 

"Creating debt today" REQUIRES a "tomorrow" for any payoff by its very definition, thus nothing is "paid off" with debt -- it is merely a fiction and a reshuffle -- kicking the can down the road with nothing accomplished. Due to interest on debt, you are worse off if you ever stop kicking the can. If interest is manipulated downwards, then it is not a free market, it is instead all contrived.

There is simply so much debt now that the interest eclipses the growth rate and our ability to produce.  The myopic statisticians and economists who use prior growth rates (generated when in a bubble) as todays targets are binding themselves to re-inflation of a new bubble -- that is not a free market economy, it is centralized ponzification.

 

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Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment From Germany Wi...
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Okay, German perspective incoming:

This thing is called opportunism and was the keystone to Hitler's ascent after 1933. After Hitler grabbed power people switched to his side because in a self-fulfilling prophecy they assumed he'd never let go of power anymore and so it was best to switch sides. And people stood to Hitler right until his death.

And for the same reason as with the analysts. The logic is: if you do evil and enough other people do the same, there is a certain safety in numbers. And surely after 1945 the Allied only persecuted the biggest of Nazi criminals.

Safety in numbers allows for any unreasonable or even criminal action. Until allied bombs start following on your head, killing opportunists, die-hards and dissidents alike.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 15:02 | Link to Comment redpill
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If that was really a German perspective you would have put all your verbs at the end!

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 15:16 | Link to Comment jayman21
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That some funny shit was.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 15:20 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Oh yeah, and the Apple "iWatch".

Boy, Apple is really going off the rails without Steve Jobs.

The new generations don't wear watches, they are "old school".

If they have an iPhone, why would they buy an iWatch?

Do your own research and look and see how many people under 35 wear a watch.

What next, an iCalculator?

Go ahead, buy AAPL.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 15:32 | Link to Comment redpill
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I thought you were joking and then I googled it, wtf

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 17:00 | Link to Comment Mike in GA
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iSee

 

Wireless spectacles, HUD, designer color frames with rimless lenses, wireless charging just-by-walking, Foxconn custom MFG by 3-D printing robot air-mailed to the US every 15 mins, (except on Sundays) (& Saturdays)

 

 

plus other, secret features TBA

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 19:27 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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iWatch porn.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 15:30 | Link to Comment geewhiz190
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the bigger question is whether or not these "buy" ratings are tied to the various firms's ability to trade AAPL's huge investment portfolio and generate commission revenues. in the days of ENRON, nobody was allowed to say no to them about anything they asked for.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 16:06 | Link to Comment trendybull459
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Mon, 02/11/2013 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Hannibal
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Fuck anything paper, load up on physical silver!

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 17:29 | Link to Comment Never One Roach
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Two weeks before the Lehmans collapse my CFA was tellng me "never a better time to buy bank stocks"....that ended his career, at least in my world it did. Luckily, I listened to my Grandpa who said "buy hard assets like gold and silver."

 

Happily, I did. PMs up over 250% and Lehmans....well, you can read about Lehmans on Wikipedia:

 

Before declaring bankruptcy in 2008, Lehman was the fourth-largest investment bank in the US....

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehman_Brothers

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 21:19 | Link to Comment lickspitler
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Sell paper silver and paper gold and you'll have lots of cash to buy the physical . Keep stackin clack-a-lackin

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 07:14 | Link to Comment WTFUD
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Krugers is correct if the man formerly known as " working " wishes to cash in his food stamps at WokMart then who are we to piss on his parade.
Krugman your worse than a junkie. At least once in a while they get off of their Cloud.

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