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James Howard Kunstler: The Dangers Of The Age Of Delusion

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Submitted by Adam Taggart of Peak Prosperity,

It’s characteristic of the time that we’re living in that there simply is no sense of consequence. And that’s exactly what you get when you have a Federal Reserve that’s out of control and a public that is filled with technological narcissistic visions of Santa Claus delivering rescue remedies on demand. And so there’s no general sense that when you do things, bad things can happen

James Howard Kunstler is concerned. Sure, he still has the same issues with the West's highly energy-consuming suburban lifestyle that he famously brought to light in his books, The Long Emergency, the World Made by Hand series, and Too Much Magic. But beyond our decaying fundamentals, he's distressed by society's unwillingness to be honest with itself about the issue's it's facing.

Instead, we are embracing a narrative based in "magical thinking" (e.g., prosperity through the printing press, energy independence through domestic shale) that assures us everything is fine. That we'll be able to enter the future without having to make any changes to our manner or standards of living, despite our massive debts and depleting resources:

History is very peculiar in the sense that sometimes cultures and societies go through very strange periods of their history, and we’re in one of those now. And I characterize this as the “great period of America lying to itself.” And the way that it’s really carried out as a practical matter is that accounting fraud is now the basic mechanism for running most of the important things in American life. Accounting fraud is now the basis for banking and finance, and it’s certainly the basis for government, and certainly for its fiscal role.

 

So I think what you’re seeing is a kind of deformity of the consensus. And of course, the most striking feature of our current times is this inability of the country to construct a coherent story about what’s happening to us, and therefore the inability to construct a story about what we might do about it.

And the sad thing is there is much we can get busy on to address our situation. But to get started, we need to engage in an eyes-wide open assessment of our true state:

What's really happening in reality, in this moment in history, is a comprehensive contraction in economic activity, because there’s a connection between the energy inputs into an economy and a culture and your ability to accumulate wealth of the kind that we’re used to, produced by industrial activity. And that’s coming to an end, and there’s no way around it.

 

Now, there are plenty of things we can do. And the terminology that we use, I think, the way we deal with this – for example, using the word “growth” incessantly is, I think, very counterproductive rather than using the term “activity”. Because you can have a lot of activity of the kind that we need without necessarily having the kind of industrial growth that we’ve experienced in the past. For example, we have a tremendous amount of work to do in this country to reform and downscale and re-localize and reorganize the major activities of American life, whether it’s agriculture – which is going to have to get smaller and more local and finer and be done by more human beings than machines, and be done by more human beings than energy slaves – or commerce – which has got to be reorganized from the Wal-Mart level of twelve-thousand-mile supply lines and warehouses on wheels, depending on all of the tractor-trailer trucks running incessantly around the interstate highway system.

 

So that’s a huge test that faces us. We basically have to rebuild the Main Street economies – and not just in an intellectual or conceptual way, but actually in the bricks and mortar. We’ve got to go in there and refurbish our downtowns. We’ve got to change the transportation system, because the airline industry is failing and the happy motoring industry or way of life will be coming to an end, probably sooner rather than later.

Yet if we continue to cling to our magical, no-consequences narrative, Kunstler fears we will likely burrow deeper into our delusion:

It comes back to the unfortunate condition of a nation that is so frightened of the consequences of what it has been doing that it cannot really face reality, and so it just spins one story after another.

 

I think Jim Rickards put it pretty well the other day when he said that this kind of monetary policy exists in what he referred to as a critical state dynamic. In other words, you can’t just dial up free money and then dial down free money when you seem to be getting into an inflationary problem. The control, the toggle, just doesn’t work that way. And what happens, in fact, is that things go critical because it is a critical state dynamic.

 

And what’s been going on is that we’ve been trying to compensate for the lack of capital formation with this imaginary money. And by capital formation, I mean the ability to accumulate real wealth from real wealth-producing activities. And creating credit card money on a national level is not real wealth-producing activity.

 

I think the closer we get to this point of criticality, the more delusional we’re liable to become about it. So this is just a subset of that larger dynamic of, the more distressed the society gets, the more delusional it gets.

Click the play button below to listen to Chris' interview with James Howard Kunstler (46m:59s):

 

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Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:31 | 3250472 Wakanda
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JHK writes some fun stuff about his neighborhoods and I like his architectural/design approach to sociology and history.  If he ever decides to go beyond snarky and really let loose the anger inside, he could be a contender.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:45 | 3250486 Cabreado
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Kunstler's, along with the rank and file punditry's incessant "We" "We" "We," all along neglecting corrupt leadership and self-absorbed influence in all sectors, is his own cognitive dissonance.

Hiding behind "We" is quite convenient for the Pundit Class, but is a (quite serious) disservice to all, er, We.

 

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:46 | 3250493 tango
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One of the reasons we behave this way is due to the infuence of "intellectuals".  Perhaps the best book about the intellectual dishonesty of intellectuals (their personal lives refuting their stated positions) is Paul Johnsons, Intellectuals.  If our political, artistic, litererary and philosophical leaders don't practice the very ideals they preach then is it a surprise when we follow in their footsteps and practice self-delusion?  I've had people say that yes, QE is dangerous and most likely fatal but at least it keeps the market up!  

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:08 | 3251226 Vooter
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"If our political, artistic, litererary and philosophical leaders don't practice the very ideals they preach then is it a surprise when we follow in their footsteps and practice self-delusion?"

LOL...WHY WOULD THESE PEOPLE BE YOUR "LEADERS"??? Why would you even think about following in their footsteps? Are you yet ANOTHER asshole who needs "heroes"??? God Al-fucking-mighty...THINK FOR YOURSELF. Who gives a shit what anyone else thinks?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:58 | 3250506 libertard
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I had an argument with a krugmanite on the mother jones website. I think this is an age of delusion. But at the same time many are seeking the truth, which is there if you want to look. Scary though. 

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:13 | 3250526 thefedisscam
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this Kunstler is crazy, here is what he said in the book according to a reader

"The worst offender, however, is when he claims that HIV (which he incorrectly calls AIDS) is on it's way toward mutating from a blood born pathogen into one that's carried on air...."

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1B94TICUU5UK2/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&AS...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:02 | 3250605 Cosimo de Medici
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I'm not sure there are anywhere near as many "sheeple" as all of these social pontificators think.  Doom and Gloom is pretty mainstream, even copyrighted.  Bookstores are full of titles about "the coming collapse" and "zombie hordes", and considering how difficult it is to get published in hard copy, somebody must think there's a profitable market---as in large---out there.  Ayn Rand has her own special cardbaord display, complete with all her tedious tomes.  There's conspiracy shows on TV, reality shows about surviving the roving hordes, a NatGeo show on Doomsday Preppers, and even a Prepper App for the iPhone.  Oh yea, record gun sales don't really suggest optimism about the future nor lack of awareness.  That all suggests pretty widespread awareness, in fact.

Look at the Nielson's to see how many people actually watch Idol, Dancing and the Kardashians, or even CNN.  Not so many, given the size of the whole population.  One has to ask, therefore, that if the majority are as prepared as can be (given wealth constraints) and are already expecting the Great Disintegration, will it still happen?  Maybe the "Black Swan" is that things just muddle along until organic improvements, driven by the relentless human desire to move forward and thrive, takes hold.

I generally would not consider this less-dark future, but doom and gloom are now so ubiquitous that I have to consider the unexpected alternative.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:37 | 3250652 Flatchestynerdette
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You mention "Bookstores" - that alone discounts your theory. Sorry. Those that go to bookstores are informed. They are not the Low Information Voters or "sheeple" that ARE out there and do NOT connect the dots.

 

Also, the author's inclusion of the sentence It’s characteristic of the time that we’re living in that there simply is no sense of consequence  can be directly related to the education system as well as parenting.

Ever see a parent spank a child for screaming and throwing a tantrum? No. Instead, maybe, they take the child out of the restaurant, store, movie, and walk them around until they are quiet. No consequences. Its all about the kid's needs.

And this is what you get. No sense of consequence. That child became the adult who will now throw a hissy attack, and flip out, throwing a tantrum when they can't get what they want, but this time there won't be mom or dad holding their hand as they go on a spree of thuggery.

Why are the feds buying so much ammo that they can shoot everyone 5 times and that includes undocumented workers?

From Investors Business Daily - they ask the same thing. Even the social security administration is in on the act when all they deal with is handing out checks to the elderly. Good grief. What's going on?

http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/020813-643707-obama-homeland-security-vast-ammunition-purchases.htm

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 02:22 | 3250872 Kiwi Pete
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Maybe that's because its illegal to hit a child - at least over here. This is because too many parents go too far and actually kill their child - that is why they made it illegal, at least over here.

There are other non-violent ways to disipline a child that are just as effective.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 03:41 | 3250922 Dr. Sandi
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It's illegal to kill a child here too, in at least 40 states.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 05:49 | 3250987 StychoKiller
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Can you name the other 17?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:36 | 3251278 CH1
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because too many parents go too far and actually kill their child - that is why they made it illegal, at least over here.

NO! That was their excuse to make it illegal. The truth is that they love using power.

NEVER give rulers the benefit of the doubt.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 23:29 | 3250717 HEY YOU
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For our continuning education class this weekend, we will be studying the opinions in the following link. This contains some off-color language.

http://shoqvalue.com/george-carlin-on-the-american-dream-with-transcript

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 23:56 | 3250755 NoWayJose
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Just like going to Disneyworld and spending unlimited Mickey Dollars. Fun stuff until the real credit card bill shows up next month.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 00:08 | 3250765 steve from virginia
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Hmmm ... James Howard Kunstler @ XeroHedge. Times are indeed changing.

 

I was figuring Phil Mickelson would be here first with tax-dodging tips.

 

When is the class going to get Nicole Foss?

 

Nah ... don't deserve it ...

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 01:08 | 3250823 billybobtx
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The dangers of 10+ trackers on this site. thanks bunches Tyler.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 01:38 | 3250839 Creepy Lurker
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Yeah I've got that blocker too. 14 by my last count.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 15:45 | 3251600 flattrader
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Ghostery solves the problem for those who don't know yet.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 01:18 | 3250830 Decimus Lunius ...
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What the fuck are you talking about?  Delusions are what holds our muppet society together.  As far as Jim Rickards goes, I originallly thought his Curency Wars book was disjointed but he led me to read a couple of books about complex systems theory.  After reading them, I realized we're all fucked.   It turns out guns and butter are the best trade of the century. 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 01:44 | 3250843 Rastadamus
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Denial is a river we can all swim in.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 03:43 | 3250925 Dr. Sandi
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Some are swimming.

Some are soaking.

Some are drowning.

Some are just trying to get the crop in before the crocodiles come out.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 05:37 | 3250980 mrdenis
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Now here's a guy from India that'll get Montansanto pissed off .Using only farmyard manure and without any herbicides just using cow dung – grown an astonishing 22.4 tonnes of rice on one hectare of land. then he broke the record for growing potatoes six months later ......lets get off the gird ...http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2013/feb/16/india-rice-farm...

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 08:31 | 3251044 nothing can go wrogn
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Kunstler's book "The Long Emergency" came out in 2005.

I read it at the time, and that book was influential in making some decisions in my life that I'm very grateful about today. At the same time, he also appeared in the documentary "The End of Suburbia." This was another blast of cold water in the face for me.

Kunstler is A-OK in my book. He got me up to speed on the coming shitstorm, at a time when the main topic of discussion around my office was "what kind of HD TV is the best? Plasma or LCD...or?" I don't get my underwear in a knot about his politics.

He's also a funny motherfer...his description of a visit to Google Headquarters is classic:

Google HQ was a glass office park pod tucked into an inscrutable tangle of off-ramps, berms, manzanita clumps, and curb-cuts. But inside, it was all tricked out like a kindergarten. They had pool tables, and inflatable yoga balls, and $6000 electronic vibrating massage lounge chairs, and snack stations deployed at twenty-five step intervals, with lucite bins filled with chocolate raisins and granola. The employees dressed like children. There were two motifs: "skateboard rat" and "10th grade nerd." I suppose quite a few of them were millionaires. Many of the work cubicles were literally modular children's playhouses. I gave my spiel about the global oil problem and the unlikelihood that "alternative energy" would even fractionally replace it, and quite a few of the Googlers became incensed.
     "Yo, Dude, you're so, like, wrong! We've got, like, technology!"
      Yeah, well, they weren't interested in making a distinction between energy and technology (or, more precisely where Google is concerned, a massive web-based advertising scheme -- because it is finally clear that all this talk about "connectivity" just leads to more commercial shilling, shucking, jiving, and generally fucking with your headspace in the interstices of whatever purposeful activity one may be struggling to enact on the internet).

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 08:56 | 3251055 PeeramidIdeologies
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Haha classic!

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 09:23 | 3251051 MickV
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Kuntsler claims that he is "allergic" to "conspiracy theories", and that Obama is "an affable fellow", sort of out of his league..

 

He doesn't understand that the Usurper Obama is the death of the Republic. He was born and possibly still is a British subject, born of a British father whom was married to his mother on August 4, 1961-- the date of Barack Obama 2's birth, supposedly in Hawaii---- that it his story, not something I made up.

By the operation of the British Nationalization Act 1948 Obama was born a British subject because his father, Barack Obama Sr. was a subject of the British colony of Kenya, and not a US Citizen. This is not "conspiracy theory".

"The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners". Minor v. Happersett, 88 US 162, 167 (not "conspiracy theory)

 

 

 

"Citizenship by descent.

5.—(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth:"   Britsh Nationality Act 1948 Part 2 (5)(1)

Does Obama know what he is doing? Of course he does!! He is a "Constitutional scholar". Surely anyone can be president even the son of a non American Saudi oil sheik married to an American woman who births a child on American soil.... right!

 

Of Course not. The point is that A2S1C4 is a security measure, designed to prevent any foreign influence into the Oval office by way of birth allegiance through a non citizen parent. Federalist 68 tells us exactly that:

"Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention". Federalist 68, Mode of Electing the President, 3/12/1778 Alexander Hamilton

"Ascendant" was used purposefully, it means both "influence" and "ancestor", as in the improper influence of a foreign father. Obama even told us so in "Dreams FROM my FATHER" He is telling you he is an illegal President, and has effectuated the loss of US Citizen sovereignty, because his father was an "improper asendant". For Kunstler to have voted for the Usurper twice voids any illusion that he is "intelligent". He is an educated idiot.

There is no "United States" since there is no legal President-- as the President is the executor of the laws--- let that sink in, then look around and see if there is any law for the Oligarchy (as Corzine, a bundler for Obama, walks free, and a court has already said that his theft of Billions was "legal".)

 

 

 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 11:13 | 3251155 Monedas
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www.obamasrealfather.com         Piers Moregas is a Brit Slit .... we own Obama .... home grown CIA shill !

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 11:24 | 3251162 AnAnonymous
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'Americans', you wont make them.

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By the operation of the British Nationalization Act 1948 Obama was born a British subject because his father, Barack Obama Sr. was a subject of the British colony of Kenya, and not a US Citizen. This is not "conspiracy theory".
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No kidding. So anyone born in the US after 1948 from one british parent is a subject to the Crown, not a US citizen?

'Americans', you wont make them.

Best is they do manage to point fingers at every else before themselves when looking at the state of the world.

Big accomplishment.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 11:32 | 3251176 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Chinese citizenism citizens, they make too many of them.

Best is they do manage to point fingers at every else before themselves when looking at the state of the world.

Big accomplishment, like their open air roadside latrines.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 11:52 | 3251199 Monedas
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Just because the Crown claims his ass under the 1948 BNA .... doesn't negate the US claim to his sorry ass .... maybe his eligibility to be POTUS .... these cross claims must be common in the WAWKI ?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 17:28 | 3251768 MickV
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It does negate his eligibility for President under the law of the Constitution.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 15:26 | 3251574 MickV
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No. If one parent is a US Citizen, and one parent is a British subject then that child is a US Citizen by the laws of the US, but not a natural born Citizen of the US Constitution (A1S2C4), and thus is not eligible to be President. There is no right to be president, one must be eligible, i.e 14 years resident, 35 years old and a natural born Citizen.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 11:31 | 3251174 Monedas
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Mick, you are saying even Obama's bogus story about the Kenyan goat herder being his father .... disqualifies from being POTUS ?  Whether his father is Obama or Davis .... he's a fraud .... he didn't even lie effectively ?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 15:29 | 3251579 MickV
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He says Obama Sr. is his father--- in that case, even if born on the Oval Office desk, he is not an eligible natural born Citizen becuase he was born with allegiance to Britain through his British subject father, who was never a US Citizen. If Davis happens to be the father then he has other problems, but he would be eligible. As a constitutional scholar, why would he use the one that makes him ineligible?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:00 | 3251217 Vooter
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And when Obama leaves office on January 20, 2017, and a fresh new puppet moves in, what "truths" will your little walnut-sized brain work overtime trying to uncover? Jesus christ--people like you are like cats trying to catch a fucking shadow on the wall. Earth to Dumbass: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO'S SITTING IN THE WHITE HOUSE, and that should be pretty evident to anyone with 1/64th of a brain, which I guess excludes you. This past November, I didn't vote. What was your excuse?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 15:33 | 3251582 MickV
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And again you are wrong. All of the other Presidents except those grandfatered in by "or a CITIZEN at the time of the ratification...", and Chester Arthur, who committed fraud, and it was not known that his father was not a citizen at Chester's birth (fraud is not precedent), were natural born Citizens. The act of Obama sitting in the chair voids the constitution and laws of the US, since the President, who is the executor of the laws, is not a legal entity. It is the endgame of the NWO.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 09:31 | 3251081 j0nx
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When cuntsler starts riding a horse to his speeches and gets off the airplanes and cars then maybe I could take him seriously. Until then, not so much.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 09:37 | 3251084 kurt
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James Howard Cunstler is a SHILL for Richy Rich hiding in a bunker beneath the shadows of the Georgia Guidestones... as in the Twighlight Zone episode, he's not getting in the neighbor's bomb shelter. His useful ideocy will no longer be needed at that time. This also goes for the presumtuous interviewer.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 09:55 | 3251100 economicmorphine
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I read The Long Emergency and enjoyed Kunstler's perspective.  Then, for awhile, I started to pick up other things he'd written.  Then I watched his Ted video.  Somewhere along the line, I realized the guy is just a crank.  Though he is correct about the wastefulness of suburbia, he approaches the subject in typical liberal fashion, with an air of intellectual superiority and utter contempt for anyone who doesn't see it his way.  He also carps like a 7 year old. I've grown and Kunstler's brand of entertainment no longer appeals to me.  Not everyone wants to live in an urban gulag.  Not everyone should.  There are ways to mitigate suburban waste if you choose.  Instead of a country club lawn, you could grow your own food.  You can slap PVs on the roof and grow some electricity.  You don't have to, but you could and that's the whole point.  Kunstler is of the breed that presumes to tell all of us Cretins how we should live.  I suspect those rules don't appy to him. Yawn.  I'm bored.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 10:36 | 3251127 SheHunter
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Kunstler is a complete hypocrit and salesman in the pathway of Gore.  He consumes far more oil resources flying inter-continent and heating and lighting his grand home than any of the peons he so self-righteously demeans.  I had the misfortune of interacting with this actor one on one and he is more of the same.  Ego, self-righteousness and hypocrit.  Careful of anyone who uses more words than needed to say what they mean.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 11:07 | 3251145 Monedas
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If we can't even discover the truth about who Obama is .... and his trail is littered with moist, trackable spoor (stool, feces, turds, shit) .... we are not good "hunters" of the "truth trophy" !  "Kuntsler" is a distraction .... radar chaff ! Obama is the "Liar In-Chief" .... "The Emperor with no clothes !" !

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 11:46 | 3251195 Vooter
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This pathetic obsession with the U.S. presidency is hilarious. Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama...WHO GIVES A SHIT? What are you, a monkey? This is exactly what Kunstler is talking about: The country burns, while fucking retards like you play the ol' "My Politician is Better Than Your Politician" game. WAKE UP. The next "president" is going to be just as useless and mendacious as Barack Obama, or George W. Bush, or Bill Clinton. Americans need to STOP VOTING and start subverting these criminals, at every level...

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 11:19 | 3251158 AnAnonymous
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'Americans' or their obsession with drowing their own cheap propaganda to substitute with an even cheaper propaganda.

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And I characterize this as the “great period of America lying to itself.”
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When did this great period of 'America' lying to itself start?

'Americans' are duplicitous. They have always been. Since 1776, July, 4th.

At start of 'America', 'americans' portrayed themselves as freedom and property lovers, all based on so called human rights, and 'americans' proclaimed they were about to remove the yoke of a tyrant in order to make freedom and respect of property progress.

The King never had slavery on his traditional holdings. As soon as the US went independent, all that slavery went away.

In the mean time, 'Americans' kept their slaves.

The King was also to steal much less land from the Indians than 'americans' would.

'Americans' do not lie to themselves. They are duplicitous.

Again, this 'american' works hard to shove his fabled past propaganda as a substitution for some other 'american' propaganda.

When the Founding Fathers and the cohort of other 'americans' did not release their slaves, they knew what they were doing. They were not lying to themselves.

They were simply exibiting their 'american' nature, which is to masquerade coercion for freedom, propaganda and fantasy for truth and injustice for justice.

'Americans' have not changed. They keep acting just as their ancestors did before them.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 11:55 | 3251205 adr
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As many have said. The foundng fathers created a terrible system, it was still better than all the others.

Blacks sold more of their own into slavery than whites ever did. You do know a black slaver made slavery legal in America right?

There were plenty of Jewish Nazis that helped sell out their own kind. Including George Soros. He won't admit to being a Nazi, but his actions sure made him look like one. Some did it out of self serving desperation, some did it because they simply wanted to. Or was it they were just socialists without the national in front of it.

The Indians were dumb enough to sell NY for beads.

Did Americans do terrible things over the years, yes. But we still built the best system the world has seen until the European bankers infected it again.

Ask yourself the question, how many of the terrible things America has done were done for the benefit of the European banker?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 14:44 | 3251508 Vooter
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"Blacks sold more of their own into slavery than whites ever did."

Who BOUGHT the slaves?

 

"The Indians were dumb enough to sell NY for beads."

They weren't trying to "sell" anything. The concept of humans owning land didn't exist in Native American cultures. The mythical $24 in trinkets was a gift--nothing more, nothing less. If the indigenous people of North America were "guilty" of anything, it was not understanding until it was too late that Europeans were rapacious, duplicitous scumbags who knew one thing and one thing only: TAKE EVERYTHING NOT NAILED DOWN. If the natives had understood that from the get-go, they might have had the chance to murder a lot more Europeans than they ultimately did...

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:01 | 3251206 Monedas
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Anonymous ? Without disclosing who you are .... what is your citizenship .... so we can take your posts .... in context ? You are proud of your nationality ?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:06 | 3251221 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, unable to escape the eternal nature of Indo European Han Chinese citizenism, said:

When did this great period of 'America' lying to itself start?

'Americans' are duplicitous. They have always been. Since 1776, July, 4th.

Very good example, again, of Chinese citizenism citizens embracing their eternal nature by distorting the fabled past, farming the myth.

But hey, you do not run away from a distortion scheme by knocking on the door of the distorter, and waving goodbye. His door is surrounded by too many strawsmen, making it impossible to reach his door to knock on it.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:41 | 3251290 Monedas
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According to new revised Chinese history Chung Fuck visited Venice and invited Marco Polo to return the visit ?  If the Chinese, North Koreans and Japanese were such explorers .... why did they let Russia steal Siberia and their share of the "Polar Pie" ?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 11:35 | 3251183 adr
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Everyone gets a trophy, no child left behind.

Leaves us with a society inept and stupid. The end result of the attempt to rid the world of consequence.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:25 | 3251255 TheMayor
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Precisely, I just walked by a Karate "competition" at my local "I am entitled" elementary school.

EVERY kid got a trophy.

What are we teaching?  Dumb and dumber.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 15:11 | 3251557 Poster_Boy
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They're fucking kids man. Give me a break. Perhaps they don't need to participate in your, yes YOUR, dog eat fucking dog mental midget games just yet. Go suck a fuck.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:22 | 3251248 TheMayor
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In reading the comments here, it is apparent some of you have never read The End of Work by Rifkin.

With regard to Kunstler, The World Made by Hand was actually an interesting and enjoyable read.

Remember, change occurs slowly, until it doesn't.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:25 | 3251256 CheapBastard
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Bottom line:

Do I gets moar free stuffs?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:34 | 3251275 Monedas
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There are only a  few players in the truth game .... some US and Brit libertarians .... a few Jews .... a  few from the Commonwealth .... everyone else .... reminds me .... of the Italian military attache in Casablanca !

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:46 | 3251300 Monedas
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China gets it's yellow tit in the wringer over a tiny island .... go take on the Russkies over Siberia .... Korea, claim Kamchatka .... Japan, Sikhalin .... shows some balls against the Russian land grab and persecution of native east asians .... your blood brothers !

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:52 | 3251306 Monedas
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Denmark got a bigger slice of "Polar Pie" than the CKJ (China, Korea, Japan) group ?  Japan squeals every time some black Marines gang fuck a whore .... Russia gets a pass .... and they stole more territory than Okinawa ?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 16:45 | 3251704 LivermoreJim
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No one is more delusional than Kunstler.  Article in and article out, Kunstler shows his anti-industrial bias, and often waxes lyrical over the good old days when men, and women, rode horses, spent their days in the fields picking corn and whatnot.  He often brings up the idea of Mother Gaia bringing vengence on the audacity of humans to use natuaral rescources to build a better civilization.

He loves to visit areas of destitution, slums, and to ofter the inane notion that they are representation of our current situaiton.  Yet, when ill, he'd be the first in line at a modern medical clinic with the latest technological innovation.

He has said, often, that automobiles should be banned, than people should be forced onto mass transit -- never considering the freedom of personal preference or the criminality one often encourters on such systems.

He is a man-beast character right out of the Island of Dr. Moreau by H. G. Wells:  Civilization bad, nature good.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 17:45 | 3251795 Composter
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What a Farce !

Kunstler talking about "The Dangers Of The Age Of Delusion" - when he is one of the most deluded writers on the planet !

JHK embraces the US gov War of Terror, and the US gov. Official 9-11 Conspiracy Theory.

That makes JHK just another ignorant racist.

Now he portends to write about "The Dangers Of The Age Of Delusion".   So now we know, JHK is a hypocritical ignorant racist.

Which just means he hasn't changed much the last 10 years.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 18:29 | 3251839 NuYawkFrankie
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"The Long Emergency" is, I'm afraid, an even longer snoozzze...

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 19:51 | 3251957 trendybull459
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Sun, 02/17/2013 - 20:20 | 3252001 Ned Zeppelin
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I read JH and add his perspective to the pot of knowledge and wisdom I try to work on each week. He calls for collapse too quickly, but is right about about many things. He is not for everyone, but The Long Emergency opened my eyes to the simple fact that our economy is premised on cheap, abundant oil. If it is not there, or becomes expensive, the economy dies as growth cannot occur and interest cannot be paid.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 10:16 | 3252698 Herkimer Jerkimer
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My thesis:

Is our age of delusion, I believe it to be caused by the liberalizing of the educational system, such that we have removed what was once universally taught, basic, classical, logic.

The foundation of, and fundamental to critical thought.

By removing this lynch-pin of intellectual approach, we have allowed our society, to become intellectual idiots.

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