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Is This Where The Secret JP Morgan London Gold Vault Is Located?

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In a world defined by "financial innovation", where $1 of hard collateral can spawn over $1000 in repoed and rehypothecated liabilities (and assets), where "shadow banking" is far more important than traditional bank liabilities (and to this date remains completely misunderstood), and where every month the central and commercial banks force create over $100 billion in credit money (which end consumers refuse to absorb and which therefore ends up in the stock market), the concept of a "hard asset" is an increasingly redundant anachronism. Yet while the Federal Reserve has emerged as the bastion of the New Normal's financial innovation front in which the concept of money is backed by absolutely nothing other than the Dollar's increasingly fleeting reserve status, when it comes to the definition of "Old Normal" money - gold - it still is the domain of the first and original central bank: London.

At first blush, most would not associate London with the hard asset mecca of the world: in fact, when it comes to some of the most spectacular hyper-levered "New Normal" cataclysms in recent years: AIG, Lehman, MF Global, JPMorgan's London Whale, all of them originated in London. Yet for the most part these events occurred precisely because of the mindboggling leverage already employed by the London financial system. Recall that the UK has some 600% in financial debt/GDP - an unprecedented amount compared to any other developed world nation. Yet, paradoxically, the fact that there is so much financial leverage implies that there must be an abundance of hard assets at the bottom of the London Exter Pyramid. After all, financial counterparties, especially in this day and age, may be insolvent but they are not idiots, and all will demand at least some paper representation that there is a trace of hard collateral at the bottom of the latest financial Frankenstein CDO, SPV, CLO, CPDO, RMBS or [insert any other modern financial "asset" acronym]. And keep in mind we are talking private sector gold: Gordon Brown's epic blunder of dumping the sovereign UK gold at rock bottom prices hardly needs a mention.

Which is why in order to spawn such a gargantuan amount of financial debt, London, which for centuries was the financial capital of the world and which sequestered the bulk of the world's real, tangible wealth until the ascendancy of the US in the 20th century, London's commercial vaults, are literally full of gold (as much as it may pale in comparison with the total notional amount of liabilities it has created).

After all it is the London Bullion Market Association. Not New York, Zurich or Singapore.

Why is London such an integral part of the gold financial world? We'll let none other than JPMorgan explain:

The characteristics of the London market uniquely support the use of gold as collateral by ensuring:

  • Quality and liquidity: “London Good Delivery” sets the standard for gold quality. Rigorous specifications as to size and purity ensure that each London ood Delivery gold bar meets pre-set standards with little to no variation between one bar and the next. This consistency ensures that counterparties will receive gold of an expected quality (99.5% fine), which allows the metal to be easily transferred between members of the London Bullion Market. Ultimately, this facilitates trading and market liquidity—both desirable attributes for collateral.
  • Flexibility: The London gold market uses both unallocated and allocated gold. In layman’s terms, allocated gold specifically identifies each gold bar with a specific owner. Allocated gold is essentially held in separate accounts; it cannot be pooled with gold from others to satisfy obligations. In contrast, unallocated gold is held in a general pool by the bullion dealer and the customer has a general entitlement to the metal, but not to a specific gold bar. The LMBA states that unallocated gold “is the most convenient, cheapest and most commonly used method of holding the metal.”

    In practical terms, unallocated gold is comparable to putting dollars, pounds or euros into the bank. Once deposited, the money becomes fungible—you can withdraw the same amount of money you put in, but you will not receive back the same exact bills that you deposited. The use of unallocated gold allows for amounts smaller than a gold bar to be used as collateral between counterparties—a significant benefit to a collateral program given that a London Good Delivery bar weighs 438.9 ounces, and gold is currently trading for over US$1,700 per ounce.

  • Transparency: Readily available price information promotes market transparency and aids in daily mark-to-market and margin calculations. Gold is priced by the market twice daily (morning and afternoon) and widely reported by both the financial press and data vendors. Use of a predictable daily price fix point allows counterparties to mitigate their daily exposure and set haircuts to manage ongoing price fluctuations. The afternoon U.S. Dollar London old Fix is viewed by market participants as the appropriate way to mark gold given daily price fluctuations and increasing values.
  • Ease of transfer: The London Bullion Market clears daily using paper transfers that evidence the unallocated gold held between members. This allows them to simply and efficiently settle mutual trades and transfers to/from third parties while mitigating the costs and risks associated with physical movement of bullion. The use of paper transfers and unallocated gold facilitate easy transfers between counterparties when needed.

And speaking of JP Morgan, incidentally the subject of this post, what do we know about their London-based gold vault services? Once again, in their words:

J.P. Morgan recently integrated its gold vaulting service in London with its tri-party collateral agency service.

  • J.P. Morgan operates one of the two largest commercial gold vaults in London (one of only six in the City) and is a member of the London gold clearing system.
  • J.P. Morgan is also one of the few truly global providers of collateral management services. As collateral agent, J.P. Morgan works with two parties that have an established collateralized lending or financing arrangement.

Who is the other largest commercial gold vault in London? Why HSBC of course: the bank which has recently been embroiled in virtually every scandal involving global money laundering, also happens to be the custodian for such massive (supposedly) physical gold repositories as those of the SPDR Gold GLD ETF. The HSBC gold vault is also known as "Gold's secret hiding place" as CNBC penned it, when Bob Pisani was allowed to take a look deep inside the vault's bowels but only after he was theatrically blindfolded (a visit which we commented on at the time).

Yet Pisani's blindfold, while theatrical, was premeditated: the number of people who know where the HSBC vault is located is a handful, because the last thing commercial gold vaults, and certainly their customers, would want to deal with is a Simon Gruber-type Die Hard 2-style goldjacking.

Amusingly it was none other than the Bundesbank who in November invoked the ghost of the fictional New York Fed gold heist when a member of its executive board told NY Fed's Bill Dudley that  "you can be assured that we are confident that our gold is in safe hands with you. The days in which Hollywood Germans such as Gerd Fröbe, better known as Goldfinger, and East German terrorist Simon Gruber, masterminded gold heists in US vaults are long gone. Nobody can seriously imagine scenarios like these, which are reminiscent of a James Bond movie with Goldfinger playing the role of a US Fed accounting clerk." This happened two months before the Bundesbank diametrically (and embarrassingly) flip-flopped and decided to, all pinky swears to the contrary, begin repatriating its gold from the New York Fed (and Paris) after all. But not London (at least not yet). It also perhaps means that the days of Simon Gruber may not be "long gone", especially if the whereabouts of vaults containing billions worth of gold bullion were known to the public.

And just like the SPDR would want nothing less than to have the address of the HSBC gold vault made public (the same goes for HSBC of course), so those other ETF providers who use JPM's London gold vault as a custodian, such as Blackrock's iShares IAU ETF, or ETF Securities, would want nothing less than to have the location of JPM's vault exposed.

Needless to say, the actual addresses of "LBMA Vault" provided by the LBMA in its Annex 2 for "The Good Delivery Rules for Gold and Silver Bars" lists the headquarters office of the vaulting firm, and certainly not the actual address, because it would have been somewhat disingenuous to blindfold Pisani just to deliver him toe 8 Canada Square, or the HSBC head office in London, the address provided by the LBMA as vaulting address of HSBC. And certainly the address given for the JPM vault at 125 London Wall, aka Alban Gate, which was the firm's headquarters until its move to 25 Bank Street in 2012, is the last place even one bar of gold would be found.

Which is why we were quite stunned to find, in the deep recesses of the internet (and hosted by the Indonesian stock exchange of all place), a trade ticket from May 26, 2011, issued by the Perth Mint of Australia to Avocet Gold Mining (a West African gold miner), in which the Mint confirms its purchase of 2,126 ounces of gold at a price of $1,526 for a total transaction price of $3.246 million.

What is notable about the trade ticket is the additional information provided for the account clearer, in this case, none other than JPMorgan Chase Bank NA, London, as well as the number of the Gold Account held by said clearer: "No. 01380" but what is by far the most interesting, is that the actual physical address of the JPMorgan facility is provided: 60 Victoria Embankment, London.

Ladies and gentlemen: we may just have uncovered the actual location of the ultra-secretive JPMorgan gold vault in the city of London.

Where is 60 Victoria Embankment, London? See below:

The building's southern/river face is the glorious facade of the City of London School which occupied this location from 1879 until 1986 (and which is currently situated just east of here along the Blackfriars Underpass, next to the Millennium Bridge).

As the map above shows, it is a rather sizable building, located just off the Thames river and steps away from the Blackfriars Bridge, whose official designation until recently was Morgan Guaranty Trust Company of New York, Ltd, a remnant from the firm's merger with Guaranty Trust Company in 1959 (recall that JPM was called Morgan Guaranty Trust until 1989).

A cursory media search about the otherwise very nondescript looking building at 60 Victoria reveals that it had been fully leased by JP Morgan as long ago as 1991. What is more interesting, is that the property had previously been bundled as part of a high-profile commercial mortgage-backed securities, or CMBS, deal called White Tower 2006-3. The deal consolidated properties formerly owned by one-time London real estate mogul, Simon Halabi, one of the financial crisis most notable falls from Grace, who had an estimated net worth of $4.3 billion in 2007, and in April 2010 was declared bankrupt, and whose current whereabouts have since been unknown.

White Tower 2006-3, most infamous for being the first CMBS deal to be placed in liquidation after the start of the currency crisis, held a variety of properties near and dear to JPMorgan's heart, first and foremost 60 Victoria Embankment, the 420,000 sq ft of office buildings fully let to JP Morgan Chase; but notably Alban Gate, the 382,000 sq ft office property located on London Wall in the heart of the City and fully let to JP Morgan Chase. The latter also was JPM's UK headquarters until last year.

What happened next is interesting: in July 2010 Carlyle bought the bulk of the "White Tower" asset portfolio from the defunct CMBS, paying some £173 million for the 60 Victoria Embankment location. Three very short months later, none other than long-time 60 Victoria resident JPMorgan bought the very same building from Carlyle for a whopping £350 million: a transaction which doubled Carlyle's money in an unprecedented three months! At the time the now former CEO of JPM's investment bank Jes Staley (and who currently works for BlueMountain - the same fund that made a killing by squeezing none other than JPMorgan's London Whale traders), said, "These properties are long-term investments and represent our continued commitment to London as one of the world's most important financial centres." Frank Bisignano, chief administrative officer, added: "These properties are among the most attractive pieces of real estate in London. These buildings ensure that our employees will have the necessary technology, infrastructure and amenities to take our businesses forward." Curiously, JPM showed zero love for its Alban Gate location, which it promptly departed to go to its new Canary Wharf HQ, and Carlyle was forced to pull the sale of this property a year later as it did not get enough satisfactory bids.

A pressing question remains: why did JPM, a long-time tenant of 60 Victoria not submit its own bid for the location it knew it would end up purchasing outright in a few months from Carlyle anyway? Why overpay by £177 million in exchange for merely having one more middleman do a three-month transaction? We hope to find out.

Yet what is very clear is that there was something of far greater value to JPM at the 60 Victoria location than at its old headquarters.

What that "thing" may be, and what is the missing puzzle piece in this story, comes from a very peculiar article written nearly four years ago in an Abu Dhabi/Arab Emirates website titled TheNational, titled "Mystery gold cargo linked to Saad, Gosaibi feud", which described just that - the fate of a series of very peculiar gold shipments, the key of which once again involved the two main abovementioned players: Perth Mint and 60 Victoria Embankment.

We repost the entire story below, while highlighting the key parts:

The Qantas freighter QF71 that took off from Perth Airport on November 3 last year bound for London would not have attracted any special attention, despite the fact that it was carrying 1.2 tonnes of gold bullion, then worth about US$28 million (Dh102.8m).

 

Perth, in Western Australia, is home to Australia's Gold Corporation Mint, where bullion is processed and turned into standard 12.5kg bricks. From there, the ingots are shipped daily around the globe to vaults in America, Europe and Asia, evidence of the world's apparently insatiable appetite for the precious metal. But what made this shipment unusual was that it was the first of 15 such cargoes, of varying quantities and values, which over the next seven months were eventually unloaded mainly in London. Smaller amounts were also delivered to Dubai and Zurich.

 

The total value of the bullion exported in these operations approached $430m at current market prices, and it weighed 10.4 tonnes. The other distinguishing factor was the identity of the recipients, or "consignees" as they are known. According to documentation seen by The National, they were all companies associated with the al Gosaibi family of Saudi Arabia. The al Gosaibis have since fallen out spectacularly with their partner, Maan al Sanea of Saad Group, in the biggest corporate scandal to hit the Middle East, leaving about 120 banks worldwide with debts estimated at up to $22 billion and a decreasing likelihood of getting their money back.

 

In a global hunt for assets to offset their losses, the banks have looked into every corner of the Al Gosaibi trading empire and the Saad Group controlled by Mr al Sanea. A small army of lawyers, forensic accountants and corporate investigators has been hired to track down assets over which the banks believe they have claim. They have turned up property, financial investments, relatively small amounts of cash and other baubles of the wealthy, such as aircraft leases. There was even a private zoo. But the most curious discovery so far is the Gosaibi gold.

 

Perhaps the most remarkable fact about the shipments is that although there are detailed and specific records of them having taken place, neither party in the al Gosaibi-al Sanea confrontation seems to lay any claim to their ownership. Each side denies it was responsible for the shipments. Despite being regularly ranked among the world's billionaires, neither the family's controlling partnership, Ahmad Hamad Al Gosaibi and Brothers, nor Mr Al Sanea's Saad Group has any previous known involvement in the bullion business.

 

The first shipment took place just as the world appeared on the verge of financial meltdown last November. They continued until May, when the crisis in the two Saudi families exploded into the public domain after they failed to make repayments on loans associated with their banking businesses in Bahrain. The shipments reached a peak in late February and early March, just as tensions within the al Gosaibi family intensified after the death of Sulaiman, the family patriarch and chairman, on February 22.

 

One shipping document shows that, the following day, "a shipment of 21,500 fine ounces of large 12.5kg gold bars, minimum 99.5 per cent purity" was sent from AGR Matthey, a well known Australian bullion dealer, from Perth Airport via Singapore to London's Heathrow. From there, the bullion was moved to the vaults of Standard Bank of South Africa, located in the London offices of JPMorgan Chase at 60 Victoria Embankment, Blackfriars, London.

 

The shipment was marked "London good delivery", meaning it met the internationally recognised standards for bullion delivery and could be deposited alongside bullion of the same quality. The Standard Bank account in which it was deposited was in the name of Al Gosaibi Trading Services, one of the companies owned by the al Gosaibi family. But financing such a transaction - the gold was worth about $20m - is a complicated process.

 

The usual procedure is for the consignee to arrange a letter of credit with the supplier, which is then guaranteed by a bank. In this case, the letter of credit bears the reference number "Awal 157". Awal is the Bahraini bank owned by Mr al Sanea, but which is now in the administration of the Bahrain Central Bank. Ten of the 15 shipping documents bear the Awal reference, while the rest have reference to "TIBC", The International Banking Corporation, the al Gosaibis' Bahraini bank which is similarly in administration.

 

It is common practice in the trade finance business for those letters of credit to be separately financed by a third party, such as an international bank. This is what happened with the Gosaibi gold. The amounts paid for the bullion were drawn down from lending facilities with these global banks but those borrowings have not been repaid, banking sources say. International banks, so far frozen out of the settlement process in Saudi Arabia or offered derisory amounts by the feuding families, are keen to track down the location and ownership of this bullion, to seize and offset against debts owed them. While most of the bullion ended up in London, two shipments went to other locations.

 

Also on February 23, some 629kg of "London good delivery" were shipped from Perth on Singapore Airlines flight SQ226/SQ490 to Dubai International Airport. The shipment was delivered to the Brinks Global Services facilities at the Dubai Airport Free Zone, marked for the attention of: "Malcolm Clingham, for account of Al Gosaibi Trading Services Ltd." Again, the financing reference was "Awal 158". Attempts to reach Mr Clingham were unsuccessful. An employee of Brinks in Dubai said he left the company about four months ago.

 

The other non-London shipment took place on April 29, when 689kg of gold left Perth on Singapore Airlines flight SQ226/SQ346 to Zurich in Switzerland. The shipment was marked for delivery to: "UBS AG Zurich, for account Standard Bank PLC." Although no named consignee account was mentioned on the shipping document, the financing reference was "TIBC 438". The final shipment to arrive in London took place on May 6, when 722kg was placed on a Delta Airlines flight DL94 in Salt Lake City, Utah, in the US. This was marked for the Al Gosaibi Trading Services account at Standard Bank at the JPMorgan Chase building in London. The financing reference was "Awal 177".

 

So while there is plenty of evidence that the gold shipments took place, there is huge uncertainty about who initiated them, who owns the bullion, and even where the gold is now. The company named as the bullion account holder, Al Gosaibi Trading Services (ATS), is a wholly owned subsidiary of Bahrain-based Al Gosaibi Investment Holdings (AIH), based in Bahrain which is in turn owned by three family members. But the management control of ATS and AIH is in dispute.

 

In a legal filing in New York, John D Potter, a former general manager of Al Gosaibi Investment Holdings, declared that: "Mr al Sanea exercised complete control over the operations and activities of AIH, to the exclusion or virtual exclusion of the other directors and the shareholders." Lawyers for Mr al Sanea, the London firm of Harbottle & Lewis, declined to comment on the gold shipments. But sources close to the Kuwait-born financier have denied he was involved in the transactions.

 

Creditor banks, which asked to remain anonymous, have told The National that their inquiries to Standard Bank in London have not so far produced any positive indication of ownership of the bullion, or even confirmation that it is still in Standard's vaults. Through its South African head office, a spokesman for Standard Bank said: "Our executives in London are adamant they cannot comment - not even off the record - as this would be a breach of client confidentiality."

 

Whoever ends up owning the gold from Perth will at least have made some money out of the Saudi confrontation, which has affected the kingdom's economy and stock market, and ravaged the balance sheets of regional and international banks. The gold price has risen by nearly 50 per cent over the past year. The shipment last November, worth some $28m when QF71 took off from Perth, is now valued at $42m - wherever it might be.

Courtesy of TheNational, we now know that one of the key features of the building at 60 Victoria is that it houses at least the vault of the Standard Bank of South Africa: in other words, somewhere deep underground, there is, indeed, a major gold vault. We also know, that after leasing this location for nearly two decades, JPMorgan decided to take the plunge and bought it outright in 2010, in a transaction that as shown above was a scramble to park cash and to procure the property for sale. In other words, JPM now has sole custodial possession of all the vaulting services offered under its 60 Victoria Embankment address.

So is this where the legendary JPMorgan London vault is located? Certainly nothing short of Blythe Masters admitting on live TV that yes, this is where one of the two largest commercial gold vaults in the UK is located, and as JPM admitted previously, only one of only six commercial vaults in all of London, there will be speculation and one can't be certain.

However, a quick cursory virtual trip around this building using Google's Street View feature shows that this building, barricaded on every side by a dense forest of bollards, is as protected from outside interest (especially of the automotive kind) as any modern day fortress.

The building's entrance on John Carpenter street, just north of Victoria's embankment - bollards everywhere:

The building's reinforced back/delivery entrance: corner of Kingscote and Tudor: barriers, a reinforced gate with a screen on top of it, and even more bollards which surround the entire building and prevent the parking of any cars in proximity to the building:

And finally, not one, but two rows of bollards, cordoning off a 60 foot area in the street on both sides. South view:

And north view:

Needless to say, no car, or any other potential threat, can enter that ~60 foot space from either side.

Is that where, dozens of feet underground, the world's most secretive commercial gold vault is located? Just below what was once the main campus of the City of London School for boys.

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Update: a quick Google Street View trip around the block from the main JPM entrance to Carmelite Street, just south of Tudor Street, or here...

... reveals the following armored Brinks trucks waiting:

And

In front of an even more impressive looking gate:

h/t Ro

 


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Sun, 02/17/2013 - 08:40 | Link to Comment toothpicker
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Bring midget porn and you'll get the grand tour

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 09:51 | Link to Comment unrulian
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bring a midget...it's worth two in a video

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:46 | Link to Comment Chupacabra-322
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Nothing that a little C4 and some Special Ops/Black Ops misson can't take care of. 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:47 | Link to Comment johngaltfla
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I could have sworn I put their gold in an urn on my entertainment center. Or was that my dead cat? Same difference....

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:51 | Link to Comment debtor of last ...
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What would YOU do, with governments in your left pocket, and central banks in your right? The term 'primary dealer' in another dimension.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:49 | Link to Comment Stinko da Munk
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I zoomed over there on Google Earth but all I saw was a big pile of tungsten. 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:56 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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U think Joogle would ever let you peep King Solomon's Temple?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:51 | Link to Comment falak pema
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remember the club of London back in the 60s? The gold pool, Where de Gaulle played mayhem to the USD -gold exchange standard? By converting more and more his USD reserves into gold?

In 2001 they created the London Gold exchange...

A Crisis to Shatter the World | Gold News 

London Gold Exchange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

About That "London Gold Exchange"... | Zero Hedge

There is the time line to this creation as commented in 2011 by ZH.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:54 | Link to Comment ISEEIT
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Evil. Pure and fucking simple.

That or ZH is a trap.

It's one or the other.........But not both.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:54 | Link to Comment Irelevant
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They have JP Morgans gold, just not the clients gold. You can bet the house their gold is safely stored and not for sale.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:49 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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A critical pillar in the foundation of the global cartel that owns the alleged sovereign nations, including those allegedly represented by democratic governments of one form or another, of the world:

Bank for International Settlements
Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:54 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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Sounds liks a Krazy Konspiracy Theory to me.

(Send those youth rioters there, if you want to see what a real police response looks like)

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:10 | Link to Comment toady
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Now THAT is a good idea!

The brothers on that side of the pond need to be ready to bus the rioters to that location.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 06:12 | Link to Comment Seer
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Yeah, seems only appropriate to send shit-loads of unemployed youth (caused by all these fuckers)  to descend upon this pit.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:56 | Link to Comment TraderTimm
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Maybe the real reason to gain physical possession of the gold is to check it hasn't been infiltrated with Tungsten-gold lookalikes.

Wouldn't that be a kicker? If someone had access, replacing bars slowly with near-perfect counterfeits.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:57 | Link to Comment q99x2
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If the US audits their gold reserves...is that where they have to go to do it.

Here is someone that is getting pretty pissed at banksters.

Two Russian nuclear-armed bombers circled the western Pacific island of Guam this week in the latest sign of Moscow’s growing strategic assertiveness toward the United States.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 06:16 | Link to Comment Seer
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I love how it's referred to as "western Pacific" as though it's just off the western US coastline.

Which is closer to Guam, Russia or the US?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 14:22 | Link to Comment Major Malfunction
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The distance between Hawaii, United States and Guam is 3828 miles.  The distance between Vladivostok, Russia and Guam is 2198 miles.  Give or take 1.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:00 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 Where on this [savaged planet] do you get this info Tyler?  Hedge funds in Motels, and sovereign wealth under Dilapidated land marks.

   I love each and every one of you genetically engineered {Tyler Durdens} :-)

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:01 | Link to Comment Motorhead
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Probably from that former "up and coming" military intelligence officer from West Point, "Simon Black".

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:11 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 I'm not complaining.  Tyler is on His/Her Game, and I'm appreciative...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:17 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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Hey Yen forgive my ignorance here but if you see a huge move next week in the yen (short) and asian countries are buying dollars like crazy then in the short term (in dollars) you must see gold taking another big dump right?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:28 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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       No.  Fonz, the metals are weak based on global {GDP} out look. The strong $ is just ACB's washing Bernanke money.

  China comes online tonight. I'm curious what their uptake will be credit and currency markets ?

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:30 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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If metals are weak predicated on weak global gdp then they are kinda done for right? I mean I don't see anything but weak global gdp going forward. It was the CB's response to the weak gdp with more and more stimulus that I was kind of counting on.

(by the way I have my own junker now too. He is so cute. He usually junks me right away. Like he is only on here waiting for me. He's so cute :)

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:35 | Link to Comment knukles
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Congrats and welcome to the auto juncker club.  Get it, Juncker?
Oh, never the fuck mind.
Must mean you're doin' somethin' right. 
Or so I'd like to think.
Had me one for eons.
Musta been one of those really insulting jokes I told about somebody.
Or else Mrs K's started visiting the Hedge.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:41 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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wow you too? I am honored now.

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:46 | Link to Comment knukles
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See, now everybody's gonna mash all the red keys in these here comments.  Mention getting tagged and the pile on begins. 
LOL
Tradition
Like Gold.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 23:42 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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I still love you man, irritation is the highest form of flattery, right?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 23:52 | Link to Comment knukles
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TJDS, there are most certainly times that I must remind myself that's why Mrs K must be going out of her way to piss me off royally.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 00:43 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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We all have our fanboys.  Even a mild-mannered coon gets his fair share of junks.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 09:06 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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If ya REALLY want to get junked ~ you have to "poster-ize" the bitcoiners...

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 10:34 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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But what would happen if one were to lose their ticket? Is this like Jack Nicholson playing Whitey Bulger in The Departed, telling the Chinese who want to buy nuclear device "no ticky, no laundry?"

On a serious note, I have heard credible rumors that paper gold doesn't retain its value ANYWHERE like the real phyz.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 10:46 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Hence the apparent need & histrionics for vaults & James Bond capers...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:59 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 In theory you are correct Fonz.

Metals are priced in "ponzi $ fiat through" Reserve $ currency fiat<> We all know the world is slowing down.

( the printing of Fiat to cover past debts is NOT). Hence xau @ $1640 & Gas @ $4.00 a gallon.

  knuckles knows his shit Fonz/

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:15 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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Thanks guys i will quit while I am moderately behind. later.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:16 | Link to Comment FreeMktFisherMN
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I just laughed when gold and silver sold off Thurs and Fri on those 'beats' on initial claims and NY manufacturing activity, respectively (I can see right away how fast the 'mkts' move with the Trading Technologies/Bloomberg platform I have set up at the prop shop I'm at). Fully retarded markets. So I guess some stat like initial claims comes out that included 'estimates' for IL and CT and I guess the INSTANT reaction has to be to slam gold and silver. 

 

When are people going to realize that it doesn't matter how strong currencies are relative to each other, too? So what if the EURUSD is 1.33ish 2 years from now if both ECB and Fed have printed proportionally quadrillions? Sure the exchange rate between the two is the same, but priced in terms of commodities/anything else that is subject to market-based supply/demand fluctuations, those currencies have been blowtorched! Obviously the CBs coordinate these fiat injections to keep exchange rates 'stable' whilst diluting their debts, but people need to wake up and recognize who cares what the 'inter-fiat' rate is? 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:41 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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U can say that again

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:17 | Link to Comment FreeMktFisherMN
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2x post sorry.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:42 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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U idiot. Never apologize

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:58 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 yer over thinking it CompassionateFascist


Vote up!

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U idiot. Never apologize

  Yen cross wants a vote.   I think the China Man deserves a vote.

    Rebuttals are another question!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:20 | Link to Comment FreeMktFisherMN
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People overlooked, too, that crude sold off along with gold yesterday, so your ounce of gold preserved # of gallons of gas you can buy with it. They don't always move lock-step, but in general it just shows how gold at a minimum is the way to preserve purchasing power and usually it enhances wealth as things are deflationary priced in gold as goods/services increase and supply of gold relatively stable. 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:02 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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You mean to tell me they need a secret vault to store paper? Seems like a waste to me.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:05 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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They need a vault because when storms like Sandy hit, the paper gets wet.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 06:23 | Link to Comment Seer
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Well... we're still looking for (anticipating) the "shred[ding] of 'evidence'" :-)

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:02 | Link to Comment Excursionist
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Umm, like, how can this be an "ultra-secretive JPMorgan gold vault" when its street address is on trade tickets, easily noticed by any back-office Goombah (or the Australian equivalent thereof) ?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:09 | Link to Comment Tyler Durden
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The same way there can't possibly be a Libor rigging conspiracy: too many people are in on it. Oh wait

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:15 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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"Bro...Bro....can you get the spot price down below $1,500 this week? I'll hook you up bro.....champagne....

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:22 | Link to Comment falak pema
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its time to visit the london sewers again....Baker Street Bank Job 11 September 1971 - David Icke's Official Forums

sewer rats, like in the great riviera heist of société générale. 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:40 | Link to Comment knukles
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That was the heist where some spiffy porn photos of some royal family members were discovered amongst the loot.  I was there at the time (London, not the heist) and all hell broke loose with the D notices, rounding up of the ususal suspects, including some very heavy handed Special Branch, MI5 and SIS folks not so delicately shaking the cobblestones.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:00 | Link to Comment falak pema
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lady MArgaret Snowdon. many afro-jamaican lovers.

well if its around 300 T its worth around 15 billion. That should keep the whales busy for around seven whale-ish losses on derivatives. 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:26 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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"Bank Job" with Jason Statham, great movie.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 13:29 | Link to Comment smacker
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"its time to visit the london sewers again"

 

Why would anyone want to do that? They're rather crowded these days. 99% of the political elites are down there, the whole banking system, the Establishment including c7,500 quangos of the Almighty Corporatist State ...all swimming around like sharks looking to feast on anything they find.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:25 | Link to Comment FreeMktFisherMN
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Indeed. Groupthink is more powerful than most people realize. "The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.”

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:05 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Hiding in plain sight.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 00:59 | Link to Comment Phil Free
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"Hiding in plain sight."  -- which, you realize ... if done properly, can be an _extremely_ effective tactic.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 06:24 | Link to Comment Seer
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Today's phrase for you: "Hidden in plain sight."

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:06 | Link to Comment bullionbaron
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A group of Australians are seeking to repatriate our Gold from London, please sign the petition:

http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/aussiegold

Read more here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/124737694/Australians-Seek-Gold-Repatriation-B...

And spread the word!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:49 | Link to Comment BigDuke6
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Cmon Oz lets go!

the UK is a dead stick.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 09:55 | Link to Comment awakening
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Done, with thanks to ZH for picking up where the Australian education system has failed.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:07 | Link to Comment Motorhead
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Occupy 60 Victoria Embankment, bitchez!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:07 | Link to Comment Montecarlo
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I've been there a number of times to visit Unilever at 100 Victoria right next door. I always thought there was something odd about the surrounding area. Here's another article about vaults... http://lifeboatsupplies.com/2013/01/01/locksvaultsandfences/

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:38 | Link to Comment silver500
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I have been in this building once.  I used to work near this building, I have also been invited into the building by JP Morgan twice and attended once, their subsidary Cazenove often hold conferences or company results presentations in there.

See: http://www.jpmorgan.com/cm/Satellite?c=JPM_Content_C&cid=1270161698408&p...

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:12 | Link to Comment Obama4Ever
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Bees are on the what now?

http://www.snpp.com/episodes/1F17.html

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:13 | Link to Comment Being Free
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Honestly gentlemen, I can assure you that my presence in your vault is an unintended occurrence.  I was diving in the river looking for my own gold, which I lost in a tragic boating accident, when I stumbled upon the underground storm sewer.  And then, well, here I am.  By the way, where is your gold?  Did you lose yours too?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:14 | Link to Comment Motorhead
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Wasn't the Perth Mint caught up in some shit a few years ago?  I seem to remember something because Peter Schiff's outfit promotes the Perth Mint.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:24 | Link to Comment israhole
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So in this little story the gold was stolen, probably several times over.  And Americans believe the US still has their gold?

It's all been sheistered and a long time ago, in the US, London, everywhere.  Stupid goyim won't believe how cold the trail is once their TV breaks the news to them.  

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:21 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 FWIW Tyler. You blew the lid on G/S...  I felt like family, when I saw you ripping across the " MSM" yesterday.  "Art Cashin",  was correct on his perspective of discovery.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:43 | Link to Comment FreeMktFisherMN
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At the prop shop I'm at currently simulated trading cmdty/forex/indices futures, ZH came across the wires on RANSquawk about the article on would-be hypocrisy of other CBs criticizing the BOJ when they are doing the same ctrl-p ad infinitum. Was pretty awesome!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:52 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 South Korea is about to go ballistic. S/E Asia as well.  The news in North America, with reference to Asian markets ( language barriers)antiquated.

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:07 | Link to Comment FreeMktFisherMN
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Agreed. There are too many moles (triggers for kinetic military action) to be whacked. It is sad, too, when one recognizes that Russia actually has sounder monetary policy principles than the U.S. On yahoo finance there was an article where one of their officials said 'do not compete through currencies', and of course they are the biggest net buyer of gold, too. 

Are you somewhere in Asia, Yen, or are you in the States?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:15 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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Both/

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:19 | Link to Comment FreeMktFisherMN
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how is even say the DXJ ETF up so much when the real increase in the Nikkei is nada? I.E., how does it not account for the yen devaluation?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:26 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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   I do my due dilligence. I'm not into ETF's.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:31 | Link to Comment FreeMktFisherMN
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Now that I'm probably going to become a prop trader, I don't either, but when I was just doing the ole scottrade, I would use UCO, UVXY and even USLV for when QE3 was launched. They can be a quick day trade to get leverage that can't be had other than in options or futures trading. 

 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 00:53 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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@ FreeMkt (3250353)

I believe that the custodians of the DXY hedge out movement of the Yen.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 01:12 | Link to Comment FreeMktFisherMN
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Would like to know the nuts and bolts of how they do that, because it seems like such a farce that people make USD profits off it when it only the priced-in-yen Nikkei that is going up.

And was that a typo, or is the DXY (dollar index) really involved with the DXJ? 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:27 | Link to Comment cristo
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if you call this number  +44 20 7325 1888  stay on the line and you will be directed to their security desk . You may want to tell them as i did that i was at the back door with a truck full of gold and could they come and open the door , he then transfered me to the security supervisor before i hung up .

 prank call time

United Kingdom

Morgan Guaranty Trust Company of New York
60 Victoria Embankment
London EC4Y 0JP
United Kingdom

Tel.  +44 20 7325 1888

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:20 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Great stuff, I can't wait for the inevitable Prince Albert in a can prank calls to start.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 23:08 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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cristo said:

You may want to tell them as i did that i was at the back door with a truck full of gold and could they come and open the door ,  he then transfered me to the security supervisor before i hung up .

That wouldn't happen to be the same entrance they use for pizza delivery, would it?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 00:54 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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cristo: call from a phone booth...

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 01:09 | Link to Comment cristo
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i used google phone

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 02:13 | Link to Comment Jon Bong Jovi
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I would sleep with one eye open.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:25 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Absolutely re-vaulting.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:27 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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gold me with a spoon

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:29 | Link to Comment Anglo Hondo
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That building is surrounded by so many security cameras, only a microbe could get close without being seen.   Anyone know of any gold-eating homing microbes?

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:32 | Link to Comment Fox-Scully
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Okay--Global warming=melting artic and antarctic ice=rising waters=rising thames=flooded JPM gold depository=guarded streets no longerof importance=submersibles ala James Bond=We got them!!!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:32 | Link to Comment fuu
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<bravo>

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:35 | Link to Comment SumSUN
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ZH readers have more PMs than JPM. 

 

Imagine the implications of a ZH central bank...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:44 | Link to Comment cristo
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ZH should have a survey to find out how many total oz's of silver and gold their subs have

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:32 | Link to Comment Stuffs And Stuff
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The numbers wouldn't be as high as you think - There are a lot of reckless boatsmen here, afterall.

I think we should instead survey how much precious metals lay comfortably at the bottom of the seafloor; perhaps we could even recover it and have it returned to their rightful owners?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 14:22 | Link to Comment Room 101
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A ZHer was suggesting something along the lines of a consortium a few months back.  Needless to say, the managers of said consortium would need to sleep with one eye open.  The Morgue and the Squid don't like competition. 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:35 | Link to Comment silver500
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I used to work near this building, I have also been invited into the building by JP Morgan twice and attended once, their subsidary Cazenove often hold conferences or company results presentations in there.

 

See: http://www.jpmorgan.com/cm/Satellite?c=JPM_Content_C&cid=1270161698408&p...

 

Equity Quantitative Conference

Oct 12, 2012
London, UK
60 Victoria Embankment Print

J.P. Morgan Cazenove’s Equity Quantitative Conference will take place on Friday October 14, 2011 at J.P. Morgan’s offices at 60 Victoria Embankment in London.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:45 | Link to Comment pingpongthesecond
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Could be the intermediary building, you know before they ship it to the real location... NEed an address to get it from the mine, would be smart to ship it to an only internally known address thereafter... Or is that the tinfoil hat talking

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:41 | Link to Comment Nozza
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Roberto Calvi was found hanged next to this building in 1982 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

He was known as God's banker.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:59 | Link to Comment Not Too Important
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"As the map above shows, it is a rather sizable building, located just off the Thames river and steps away from the Blackfriars Bridge, whose official designation until recently was Morgan Guaranty Trust Company of New York, Ltd,..."

"Roberto Calvi, known as God's banker because of his close ties to the Vatican, was found hanging from Blackfriars Bridge, central London, with a length of orange rope woven into a lover's knot around his neck. He was weighed down by bricks and found with £15,000 in cash in his pockets."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2003/dec/07/italy.theobserver

Right outside JP Morgan's(Rothschilds) window. Fascinating.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 08:38 | Link to Comment tr1ck5t3r
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"with a length of orange rope woven into a lover's knot around his neck"

 

Lover's knots are sometimes mistaken for a Solomon's knot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon%27s_knot

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:48 | Link to Comment All Out Of Bubblegum
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"He was known as God's banker."

Sounds like a dangerous job.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:55 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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He antagonized the RedShield. Recently, in fact, the Shield has decided to arrange a new Pope. One better at taking investment "advice" than Ratzinger. 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:11 | Link to Comment All Out Of Bubblegum
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I love the fact that we live in age when the Pope has to seek legal advice after leaving his job. Someone had the dirt on him.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:50 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Hey, it's very close to water, a great way to transport that very heavy gold.

Also, looks like the J.P. Morgue helped to vaporize Saudi gold.

Think they've co-mingled it with SPDR Gold ETF holdings?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:51 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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Nice work tylers. Fuck jpm.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:53 | Link to Comment gooey center
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Nice touch on the south view pic, with the queen bitch off in the distance across the river, waving to her gold, surrounded by her inbred progeny.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:55 | Link to Comment monopoly
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How can you not love this site. Facts, truth, and the real news. Kudos Zero Hedge. Awesome place to visit.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:09 | Link to Comment Stuck on Zero
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The question posed is:

Why overpay by £177 million in exchange for merely having one more middleman do a three-month transaction?

The answers seems obvious.  £177M would just cover a massive vault and security system  Anyone check building permits for the time?

Oddly.  There seems to have been a massive "archaeological" excavation at this site: http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/laarc/catalogue/siteinfo.asp?id=1732&co....

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:53 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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Between October 1986 and February 1987 excavations were undertaken within the playground of the school, funded by the Morgan Bank.

excellent find zero.  

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 09:15 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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No doubt there were "workers" involved in that excavation project... My guess is that they've all been mowed down by kalashnikov's [umm~ I mean slipped on banana peels or shot themselves in the head, TWICE], since then...

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 10:43 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Great catch, SOZ. That timing of that archeological "dig" funded by Morgan, is MOST interesting.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 06:39 | Link to Comment Seer
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And, really, what does it matter what fiat numbers one "pays?"  JPM can jusr rip off their muppets in order to pay off this kind of bill.  Clearly the laugh is on everyone else, as TPTB keep the shell game going...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:00 | Link to Comment cardis
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+ 1 trillion.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:03 | Link to Comment Lukacko
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How much silver is in there??

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:01 | Link to Comment rqb1
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That my friend is the real question.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 23:50 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

How much silver is in there??

All of the silver in the building is cleverly camoflaged as solder holding together the circuits of electronic devices.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 09:17 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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don't forget the tea sets..

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:06 | Link to Comment doggis
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great investigative piece TD!!!! good for you!! 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:00 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I've said it before you want to drop this whole mother fucker quick and hard, all you need is about 20% assuming they are stretched even thinner than what the accepted minimum collateral is required in fractional reserves called in at once in paper shares for physical delivery. Hilarity and chaos will ensue.

Good piece of journalism there Tyler(s). Makes an honest man's heart proud.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:16 | Link to Comment CunnyFunt
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Well, well ...

The den of thieves and brigands is exposed ... again.

When will the sheep wake up?

Those bollards appear to be castings. A dump truck with a railway-track bumper will fix them.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:21 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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  " The older I get, the less I like to drink"

 "The older I get , the more I like to think"

      "When I drink, I think a lot less about, " the older I get"! ~ Bitchez~

 Cunny Funt kicks arse!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:34 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 Thanks mate ;-)  Made in The shade> Brown Sugar

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:42 | Link to Comment CunnyFunt
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Years ago when I had TV, I watched a SNL skit starring Jagger. He was asked, "Do you follow the works of J.M. Keynes?" He replied, "Actually, I follow the teachings of Ludwig von Mises."

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:49 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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  I just got rid of my TV's.   

   I have Caddy Shack on super -8.  (sarc)

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:02 | Link to Comment CunnyFunt
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Hehe, don't diss sup-8. Flick book technology is more my speed.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:14 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 Cunny you skillfull person. The States could use more of you. ( Proper Englishmen, banished through the ages) only to seek retribution later.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:22 | Link to Comment CunnyFunt
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For the last time, I'm NOT an Englishman!

I am from their problem to the north.

But I liked the retribution part. ;-)

~~~~~~

We can climb the mountains, but regularly fall off the other side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAojJ0D8Nng

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:07 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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Sorry, ya belligerent Irishman!  For Fucks Sake/  Thanks for the tube/ RSVP after I watch it. ;-)

  For Fucks Sake Cunny. Are you welsheman?

  Yer messing with me CXunny

    You're a Ruskie?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:39 | Link to Comment CunnyFunt
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Before I rip off your head and shit down your neck, look in your atlas where lies north of England.

Did you enjoy the "vigorous police action" by the Englishmen?

This event is overlooked, but it was a key event in the development of current affairs.

"Any man found in arms, shall be put to death." <-- Fuck off, Englishman.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:55 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 Cunny, I'm well aware of your accusations.  I'll leave my preferences of disposal hidden. I'm not Jewish.

 

      Let's kick some ass next week?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:10 | Link to Comment CunnyFunt
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Ok, done deal.

Fancy investing in my Nevada gold exploration project?

100,000,000 ozt Au

2,000,000,000 ozt Ag

GUARANFUCKINGTEED!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:17 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 Can I call you uncle Randy? All the old mines we played around with in the 80's suddenly become active?\

  Silver/ This shit is commical, and a sign of desperation. I have been in those mines. They are bad news.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:40 | Link to Comment CunnyFunt
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Gold mines in the U.S. were closed by Roosevelt in 1942. Most were viable at $20 or $35 per ozt. The majority of those mines were never reopened. While some are now not subject to claim, thousands of former producing mines are available whether you are mining for Au, Ag, Cu, W, U, Mo, etc., etc., etc. The best part is, it's all in the public record. Research and study, combined with a sound plan, reap rewards. If you can't grow it, dig it.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 00:52 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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here ya go:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/Gold-Mine-And-3-Artesian-Wells-Dr-Las-...

make ya a deal:  you take the mine, i'll take the wells.  

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 03:08 | Link to Comment CunnyFunt
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No deal, amigo. $140/yr claim fee does me fine.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment smacker
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Oh! You're Scotch!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:37 | Link to Comment Hobbleknee
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Everyone who googles "60 Victoria Embankment, London" will be droned by sunrise.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:40 | Link to Comment exartizo
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Nice work Tyler.

Reads like a great spy story should with all the attendant espionage and intrigue.

With the added bonus of being apparently true!

Cheers my friend

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:41 | Link to Comment AUD
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The Perth Mint's account in London is unallocated.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:45 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 I have always liked you AUD. 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:46 | Link to Comment All Out Of Bubblegum
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PMs are now owned by the Big Dogs so even when the Paper Empire falls apart, they'll still be controlling the money. Those on the fence about Bitcoin might benefit from perceiving it as a well-made lever that has its uses. But you don't need a lever for every damn thing, do you?

Tyler, I wish you'd put up a Bitcoin address. If you really want to piss off the centralization freaks, support the beginning steps of the decentralization of wealth creation. 

You'd also pull in some serious bitcoinage.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 09:00 | Link to Comment SMG
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Yea, a currency that can be created by processing cycles on a computer, what could possibly go wrong?

 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 16:54 | Link to Comment All Out Of Bubblegum
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I have more faith in math and computer code than I do in central bankers. YMMV.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:57 | Link to Comment Critical Path
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Prediction and Performance of Ground Response Due to Construction of a Deep Basement at 60 Victoria Embankment - 1991

"A 19m deep excavation for a complex L-shaped basement was carried out using top down construction techniques...."

 

http://books.google.com/books?id=bjJNss6GWuYC&pg=PA581&lpg=PA581&dq=60+V...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:03 | Link to Comment Tyler Durden
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+1

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:06 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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now we're talkin

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:10 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Now if only we knew where all the Heinz ketchup is stored...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:58 | Link to Comment ghengis86
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So we have an address and now a depth; kudos to you both!

Now, for all the Tungsten, what is actually, physically, verifiably in that vault? I mean, if someone's going to invest in dump trucks, C4 and MP5's, they should at least know what they're getting themselves into.

Blythe???? Spill it, you cunt!!!

Edit: scratch that, just check if Hon. Corzine is on his Bloomberg and ask him how it's done

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 03:40 | Link to Comment Rubicon
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Now find proof of the link from the vault to the city line...

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 09:50 | Link to Comment machineh
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And if there's not a link, let's open one up ...

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:27 | Link to Comment smacker
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I wouldn't be surprised that if one travels along the underground tunnel and passes the JPM building, a mysterious set of reinforced doors would be seen, normally only visible when they turn the lights on for loading/unloading.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:12 | Link to Comment CunnyFunt
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There are pyrite nodules on that geo chart. Perhaps that is their "gold".

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