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Ron Paul: "When They Came For The Raw Milk Drinkers…"

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From Ron Paul

When They Came For The Raw Milk Drinkers…

While I oppose most gun control proposals, there is one group of Americans I do believe should be disarmed: federal agents. The use of force by federal agents to enforce unjust and unconstitutional laws is one of the major, albeit overlooked, threats to liberty. Too often Americans are victimized by government force simply for engaging in commercial transactions disproved of by Congress and the federal bureaucracy.

For example, the offices of Rawesome Foods in Venice, California, have been repeatedly raided by armed federal and state agents, and Rawesome’s founder, 65-year old James Stewart, has been imprisoned. What heinous crime justified this action? Rawesome sold unpasteurized (raw) milk and cheese to willing customers – in a state where raw milk is legal! You cannot even drink milk from a cow without a federal permit!

This is hardly the only case of federal agents using force against those who would dare meet consumer demand for raw milk. In 2011 armed agents of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) raided the business of Pennsylvanian Amish farmer Dan Allgyer. Federal agents wasted a whole year and who knows how many millions of our tax dollars posing as customers in order to stop Allgyer from selling his raw milk to willing customers.

The use of force against individuals making choices not approved of by the political elite does not just stop with raw milk. The Natural News website has documented numerous accounts of federal persecution, including armed raids, of health food stores and alternative medical practitioners.

Federal bureaucrats are also using force to crack down on the makers of gold coins for fear that people may use these coins as an alternative to the Federal Reserve’s fiat currency. Bernard von NotHaus, the founder of Liberty Dollars, is currently awaiting sentencing on federal counterfeiting charges — even though Mr. von NotHaus took steps to ensure his coins where not used as “legal tender.”

Yet, the federal government was so concerned over the possibility that Mr. von NotHaus’s customers might use his coins in regular day-to-day commerce they actually labeled Mr. von NotHaus a “terrorist.”

These type of police state tactics used against, among others, raw milk producers, alternative health providers, and gold coin dealers is justified by the paternalistic attitude common in Washington, D.C. A member of Congress actually once told me that, “The people need these types of laws because they do not know what is good for them.” This mindset fuels the growth of the nanny state and inevitably leads to what C.S. Lewis said may be the worst from of tyranny “…a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims.”

All Americans, even if they do not believe it is a wise choice to drink raw milk or use gold coins, should be concerned about the use of force to limit our choices. This is because there is no limiting principle to the idea that the government force is justified if used “for our own good.” Today it is those who sell raw milk who are being victimized by government force, tomorrow it could be those who sell soda pop or Styrofoam cups. Therefore, all Americans should speak out against these injustices.


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Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:24 | 3273225 Terminus C
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Yea but... why would the government set up an operation to kill their own...?

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 07:21 | 3273447 Ace Ventura
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Bingo. +100

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 10:52 | 3273847 tsx500
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it's coming

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:38 | 3273138 honestann
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End predators-DBA-government.  That's the only way to get rid of it.  Just say no.  Refuse to be governed.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:13 | 3273211 a growing concern
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And repeal 10 laws for every new law enacted.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:07 | 3273053 mjorden
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Buy Organic? problem solved? maybe? no?

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:15 | 3273070 john39
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Raw milk actually kills germs. Just like with fluoride, tests are rigged to show whatever result the hidden hand wants.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:57 | 3273263 Arkadaba
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Yep like letting your kids get dirty and play with animals the results are there and can't be hidden any longer:


Mon, 02/25/2013 - 04:59 | 3273404 Miffed Microbio...
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You are so right. We have a certified raw dairy in California that I'm personal friends with the dairyman. He showed me a fascinating experiment to me. He put a significant amount of Listeria monocytogenes ( very BAD bug) into his raw milk and the same amount in a quart of conventional pasteurized milk. He allowed it to incubate overnight. Then he tried to isolate the Listeria. He showed me the plates from the raw milk. No listeria. The conventional? Massive amounts..much greater than 1000 CFU. The point being raw milk has bacteria that inhibit the growth of pathogens. He's first to admit some very sick individuals may not be able to handle raw milk because its a very bacterial product but healthy people should have no problem digesting it. I pray the Feds won't shut him down. He's a true rugged individual and fighting an onslaught of misinformation and paranoia.


Mon, 02/25/2013 - 10:55 | 3273862 tsx500
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hmmmm........funny but i haven't seen a response from Lost My Shorts about your post  ..... ?

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:04 | 3273270 Libertarian777
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buy 'USDA organic' you mean?

as in industrial organic?

It's the biggest oxymoron out there. Industrial organic.

Next you'll be telling me debt = money and more debt cures too much debt.


Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:10 | 3273060 holdbuysell
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Whack-a-mole is a great game and impossible to win.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:10 | 3273064 UGrev
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Meh.. I didn't vote for Romney or Obama..  We could have had RP in office even if you didn't like his foreign policies. At least we wouldn't have a gun grabber at the helm as well as a liar, thief , thug..   That's all I'm gonna say. 

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:18 | 3273079 otto skorzeny
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if you didn't like his foreign policies you are probably a member of AIPAC-if you did you would probably have made a good Founding Father

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:22 | 3273097 UGrev
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I didn't object to his foreign policies. But seriously, if that was the biggest issue for people.. then fuck them in the ass with a rusty 90mm bore brush. I will remind EVERY Romney hack that [Romney] banned guns in MA. A vote for him was not one bit different than voting for the current occupier in chief. 

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:24 | 3273104 knukles
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They wuz all from the same party.
Why else did both the Dems and Repubs excoriate RP?

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:22 | 3273223 Anusocracy
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His morality is very different from theirs.


Mon, 02/25/2013 - 03:20 | 3273345 Temporalist
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Yes as in he has some...and they ain't.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:32 | 3273116 otto skorzeny
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shocking-the MSM raking RP over the coals for not prostrating himself  at the feet of Israel- much like the Repukes did with Hagel. At least RP had the balls to not back down unlike that pussy Hagel. and that is why I'll never vote for that little Israeli ass-kisser Rand.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:43 | 3273157 UGrev
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Yeah.. I think Rands' apple rolled down hill from the tree a bit too far. 

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:47 | 3273170 akak
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And picked up a few neocon worms in the process.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:22 | 3273084 knukles
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My neo-con pals just can't stop bitching pissing and moaning about this and all I keep tellin' them is they had their chance and screwed the pooch.
I'm hearing less and less from them every day.
Good riddance.
Now for the uber-lefties to shut up, too.

I don't give a rats ass about everybody getting along.
Not my job description and seemingly not Nature and Nature's God's design either, no?
I just want to be left alone.
I work for a living, pay my taxes, get no freebies, help other people, obey the laws, am a good civil productive member of society.

Just leave me alone.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:23 | 3273101 CompassionateFascist
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as such you are a menace to the State

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:24 | 3273102 otto skorzeny
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actually the uber-lefties are just as pissed at brO as true conservatives(not neocon RINOS)

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:23 | 3273077 ebworthen
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The root of this kind of stupidity is lawyers.

So some people get sick for using raw milk, so what, their choice.

But once the lawyers get involved - well then - it is "who is responsible?" (besides the person making the choice), who will pay, who didn't prevent it, who didn't "stop" the individual making the choice?

Then the police get involved because they have become the thugs of the legal industry, the cabal of lawyers, who exist to make $$$$.

Same damn thing with gold coins and gun control.  Someone might get sick, ripped off, or killed - so Nanny state with the benevolent money sucking greed mongering soul-less lawyer class riding shotgun.

No doubt there are some decent individuals who happen to be lawyers, but this is the case with politicians like Ron Paul, 1 in 1,000 if that.

"First, we kill all the Lawyers."  Thank you Shakespeare.

No surprise that most of CONgress are lawyers, the leeches of society, who in league with the vampire squid bankers are destroying the nation.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:09 | 3273206 rehypothecator
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People get sick drinking Pasteurized milk too (sometimes even dying) and there are still just as many lawyers. So something else is going on.   

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 03:21 | 3273308 Temporalist
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Yea ebworthen well they let someone who spilled a hot drink on themselves while driving sue a large corporation because the drink was too hot.  I guess if someone falls on a knife while rollerskating they will be able to sue for the knife being too sharp.  And why aren't people able to sue in car accidents for vehicles being too fast?  I'm sure that will come soon.  Yet it was nearly impossible to sue cigarette manufactures for selling a product they knew was a carcinogen and yet they denied.  Can't sue the big banks they are TBTF and can't sue the frauds robosigning the mortgages either.  And the gov; can't sue them and now you can't even protest for redress without a pepper-spray body bath.


This reminds me that Koreans have been eating kimchi for thousands of years yet now they are fined for serving it because it's room temperature.  Same story, different product, same stupid reasoning, same intrusion...

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:19 | 3273087 khakuda
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Bloomberg will do that next. He is the nanny state poster boy.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:24 | 3273105 CompassionateFascist
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it's not about "nanny". This is a genocide machine-in-the-making

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:20 | 3273090 IamtheREALmario
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Having been the victim of a STATIN related degerative muscle disease, I would prefer raw milk to statins and probably vaccines as well.

A little know fact is that prior to the invention of statins, the AMA recommended that total cholesteral be kept under 300 ... and after the invention of statins the recommended level dropped to below 200.... go figure, eh? 

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:47 | 3273166 john39
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Anyone taking statins needs to get off their ass and some basic research into the cholesterol myth. Statins are just another excuse to poison the population and steal at the same time.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 05:27 | 3273415 orangegeek
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This is correct.  Spoke with one of the strategy team members from Pfizer (I think) about their global rollout to "educate doctors" about the benefits of cholesteral at 200 vs 300.  This was started back in the 1990s.


Of course to get to 200, you need some drugs - that don't solve the problem, but sure as fucking hell exacerbate it.  Pharma is about receptors, invented issues, treating symptoms (ie:  curing sweet fuck all) and not much else.  In many cases pharma operates like cigarette companies of yester-year.  And of course there's government acting out to save us - and support them - for some form of cash.


PS:  We need cholesteral to live.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:21 | 3273091 Temporalist
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Shared by the good people that post at the :

Gibbs: "I was told not to acknowledge existence of drone program as Obama Press Secretary"

Yahoo! News: Robert Gibbs, President Barack Obama's former press secretary, says that he was once instructed by the White House not to acknowledge the administration's use of drones.

"When I went through the process of becoming press secretary, one of the first things they told me was, you're not even to acknowledge the drone program," Gibbs said on MSNBC's "Up With Chris Hayes" on Sunday. "You're not even to discuss that it exists."

Or, to paraphrase an oft-quoted line from David Fincher's 1999 film "Fight Club": The first rule of the drone program is you do not talk about the drone program.

Gibbs, who was recently hired by MSNBC as a contributor, called the proposition "inherently crazy."

"You're being asked a question based on reporting of a program that exists," Gibbs, who served as White House press secretary from 2009 to 2011, said. "So you're the official government spokesperson acting as if the entire program—pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 03:05 | 3273328 Catullus
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A paid liar decides to work for MSNBC.  I'm shocked.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 05:50 | 3273424 lakecity55
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He went pretty cheap, huh?

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:31 | 3273121 michigan independant
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Under a current proposal, likely to be put into effect in 2014, big trades (more than 10,000 euros, or roughly $13,000) would be subject to a tax of 1/10 of 1 percent.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:19 | 3273219 a growing concern
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No way in hell they ever allow it.  That would immediately end HFT, which currently allows all the big players to skim billions of dollars off the stock market per year.  No way in hell they allow it.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:33 | 3273239 Icantstopthinki...
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No no no...


Just like with the ACA...


There will be exceptions.


Just not for you.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 04:59 | 3273403 ebworthen
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Yup.  It will end Scottrade, Etrade, and the like.

The big boys won't have to pay - they will have a loophole where "bank holding companies" chartered in Delaware with accounts in the Cayman islands who trade more than 250,000 shares per day are exempt to ensure "liquidity".

The pension funds, the mutual fund companies, the holders of IRA and 401K money will get hit with the tax, and of course Mom and Pop investors and the Cramer crowd.

Then, when those folks want to get their money out, there will be a 10% penalty to go toward the debt or some such nonsense.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:33 | 3273127 dumpster
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first they come after our raw milk,  then the large lattes , then the twinkie..

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:38 | 3273142 Conax
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As a kid we got to visit an uncle's farm now and then, we were told the fresh milk was a treat.  It was good, a little thicker than store bought, and never quite as cold as I liked.  We all lived.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:40 | 3273147 reader2010
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A few years ago my local Whole Foods store actually carried raw milk.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:40 | 3273148 Yen Cross
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 I don't drink Milk! I drink beer & water! I don't take Aspirin. I don't do drugs.

   To Each His,Her own- until you cross my line/

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:02 | 3273197 Savyindallas
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You really should mix some raw milk or fresh orange juice in that beer occasionally.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:13 | 3273209 Yen Cross
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 Salmonella and Vitamin-C. I'm sure I just sold a .com

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:15 | 3273214 akak
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Don't try either combination --- your milk will instantly curdle.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:18 | 3273218 Yen Cross
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AKAK , what a quagmire?  Down on the Fed. Farm.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 05:02 | 3273405 ebworthen
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Red beer:  half/half beer and tomato juice, lemon juice/wedge, green olive or two, Worcestershire and Tabasco to taste.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:41 | 3273150 resurger
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This is raw freedom and liberty...

next: All your relics, cows belongs to us...

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:44 | 3273156 tony bonn
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"and gold coin dealers is justified by the paternalistic attitude common in Washington, D.C. "

paternalistic my ass!!!! it is nazism - we live in the very same nazi state created by the rockefeller axis of evil as it created for germany in the 1930s....i love you ron paul but how dare you dignify the gestapo forces of america as paternalistic!!!!!!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:47 | 3273169 Cold Grub
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 My kids grew up on fresh milk .  One  is a Brain Surgeon and the other is a Rocket Scientist.  That milk must of been ok?

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:58 | 3273188 Yen Cross
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 I'm an adult, and this is an adult "webpage". I don't drink milk, yet you have the audacity to junk me over your pathetic way of thinking? You heathen/



    Listen people. I was being facetious. Of course people have different opinions. When people want to dictate the opinions of others, In the name of liberalism/socialism. I have a problem.

   The good news is that grants and liberal funds are drying out. We are bankrupt. It's time to get a !/@art job folks.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:55 | 3273174 Freewheelin Franklin
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They can have my raw milk when they suck it from my cold, dead titty.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 04:06 | 3273368 Dealyer Turdin
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I lost mine in a boating accident.  First the rope snapped on the silver bag anchor, and then, the jug of milk floated off too.Never trust a pet goat with your stash of rope.  I'm claiming a deduction  on my expenses for valuable research into survivalist hobbies.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:53 | 3273176 Wanton1
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NWO Dark Ages

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:56 | 3273185 Bingfa
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It's an Government run amok....

Every day is another reminder how much better we would all be without them.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:03 | 3273199 Rodin
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Boy I miss rawesome. It was difficult losing it.They had the best milk ,Kefir...

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:06 | 3273202 dondonsurvelo
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Check out the milk map of Italy.  

Also in France raw milk can be purchased out of a vending machine in grocery stores.

The US gov't is doing everything it can to protect big ag and pharma companies to the detriment of the citizens.

Rise up!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:49 | 3273256 Arkadaba
Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:26 | 3273216 Yen Cross
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 Sukkle The Teet ©     Tyler we need more History Lessons. People have some stories to tell. I have some stories to tell about my family crossing the great divide generations ago!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:25 | 3273227 fuu
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Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:32 | 3273238 dunce
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Blooming idiot has banned 2 liter bottles of soft drinks which in the case of hurricane Sandy situations are an excellent way to buy bottled water. Since that was so recent , you might think he considered that govt. can not plan for natural or any other disaster.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:44 | 3273248 q99x2
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More reason for people everywhere to make the noble choice. The fire thing just doesn't cut it any longer. Mass protest. Throw your iSlave devices in the toilet.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:02 | 3273268 Bazza McKenzie
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Remember, the money paid to these government thugs is counted as part of GDP.  The more money spent on government thugs to harass and attack ordinary citizens, including those making and selling real products, the higher the government's reported "GDP" figure.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:26 | 3273290 Yen Cross
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 Look people, I have a nice life. I care about more then myself. I care about freedom. I can't believe people are allowing cop shops to destroy houses because a kid is messed up. Last weekend My mother linked 100 patrol cars to a call in San Diego.

  We are paying too much for law enforcement, or law enforcement isn't protecting the people! How can you have 100 cars( at a situation) and guarentee protection for the comunitee! I.m downsizing this bullshit!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:28 | 3273292 Schlomo Bergstein
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First they came for the raw milk drinkers, but I did not speak up because I am not a raw milk drinker.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:47 | 3273306 Jay
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...Today it is those who sell raw milk who are being victimized by government force, tomorrow it could be those who sell soda pop or Styrofoam cups...


In San Luis Obispo county they've already come for our plastic bags. A store faces draconian fines if they give you a plastic bag to put your purchases in.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:53 | 3273315 msjimmied
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Get the government off your back, but use the power of the people to enforce the rules of what is our ethos. First, we have to spell out what it is. Are we the proponents of the selfishness gene, Randian blinded bats, who can only navigate to the sound of Rush Limbaugh's voice. Or are we truly enlightened souls who knows where we want to go. We haven't articulated that yet. More the pity. I would rule for evolution rather than the lizard brain. But if fear and kowtowing to the ones who already have it all, is your game, heck, you should have been here to cheer for the British occupation! Or the Southern Confederacy! Grow up. Be here. Fight for what you think should be. We're letting it slip away, what is wrong with you people? It has to be local first, why are you letting them vote these assholes into office? Ron Paul made a mistake letting his son Rand Paul run. Most times I have to check which Paul is behind an endeavor. If it's the son, fuggedaboutit. Don't worry so much about what happens on the national scene. It's easier to control on the county/city level. Get with it.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 03:08 | 3273332 Catullus
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These are the only "terrorists" the FBI has actually caught. 

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 03:18 | 3273342 Notarocketscientist
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If the State did not regulate then guess what - you could light our rivers with a match - you'd be drinking water fouled with dioxin (well since fracking is exempt from the Clean Water Act you probably already are) - you'd be breathing toxic smog (see Beijing) - you'd be feeding your babies formula laced with chemicals (see China)

Etcetera - etcetera - etcetera

So once again FUCK OFF WITH THIS SHIT!!!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 03:38 | 3273352 Temporalist
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There is a far stretch between banning something humans have been practicing for most of their existence and prohibiting industries from dumping toxic waste in rivers or polluting the air.

I hope you learn the hard way and have the state's "child protective services" take away your child because you refused to give your kid the mandated medication like this woman.  You sound like the type that would just hand over your kid if the state asked for it without even giving a reason:

Or maybe you'll have a neighbor who you piss off accuse you of child abuse and they'll lock you up without any proof.

I hope you send me a postcard from prison.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 08:21 | 3273502 Stud Duck
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Yes you are not a rocket scientist, but also lack in the critical thinking dept also!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 03:18 | 3273343 Yen Cross
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Leche" Mas Lechee'      I'm digging a hole to China!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 03:31 | 3273351 Weyland_Yutani
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In ultra socialist France they have vending machines outside their supermarkets with raw milk. 

In the near future in the United States people will watch footage of drone strikes against raw milk farmers.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 03:47 | 3273355 Yen Cross
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 I speak Spanish fluently, I Speak French , Italian. I'm horrible with Arabic. I'm a quick learner.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 04:31 | 3273387 Manic by Proxy
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When will you begin English?

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 04:34 | 3273390 Yen Cross
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 Does It matter? Are you Jealous? What is your first language? iitjgfh

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 10:26 | 3273772 Big Corked Boots
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It's OK to be monolingual... unless you own a farm or work in construction.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 04:01 | 3273361 Jugdish
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Stated a simliar post awhile back but.... uhhmm.. First they came for the faggots but I didn't suck cock so i said nothing, then they came for the niggers but I wasn't a piece of shit demonic parasite so I didn't give a shit, then they came for the bible salesmen bur I was honest about my imperfections and wasn'r a true piece of shit so I said nothing, then they came for the jews but I wasn't a greedy shit lover that had orgasms over fake paper so I said nothing, then they came for me but I had checked out way ahead. The beast, the machine, the matrix, the system, and the preppers didn't really love me and it was just a big misunderstanfing and I was born with the wrong group of assholes. Fuck you.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 04:28 | 3273385 Zosynspiracy
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As screwed up as people say CA is, it's one of the few states where you can actually buy raw milk in local grocery stores.  The CA dept. of ag tried to take this right away from calfornians and they fought it tooth and nail.  Godbless Claravale farms and Mark McAfee of Oragnic Pastures.  People wann idolize dumbshits like Kobe Bryant and tits like Matt Damon......but the REAL heroes of society are guys like Mark!  Read his story and you'll understand.  He's spent THOUSANDS in legal fees fighting to keep the right to drink raw milk in CA.  Even when Whole Foods sold out and quit carrying raw milk. 

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 17:17 | 3275151 Miffed Microbio...
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Mark is my friend. Wonderful bear of a man! He has gone through bloody hell but keeps on fighting. A true patriot of our times. Glad to see others recognize this. Claravale is another raw all Jersey dairy that our local health food store stocks. Whole foods wimped out and quit carrying due to " liability" reasons. I rarely shop there any more because of it.


Mon, 02/25/2013 - 04:44 | 3273396 williambanzai7
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I wonder how Gibson Guitars is doing with their harassment situation.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 08:19 | 3273498 Stud Duck
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Good question! The problem is going to get a judge to go along with the farce they are presenting!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 04:47 | 3273398 GreatUncle
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If something is not fit for purpose you normally get rid of it and use something better.

Gold coins do tend to junk the fiat currency. Actually brass or monkey metal washers would do just the same.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 05:18 | 3273410 CheapBastard
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Maybe they can check real tainted food:


Charity fears it served tainted spinach Welcome Table warns that E. coli may have been present in spinach

Try Googling "tainted spinach" or "tainted food"....

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 05:32 | 3273416 nathan1234
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It appears that the people are effectively taken over and controlled by those whom they vote for after the votes are cast.

I wonder what happens to these representatives after they are voted in. Are they being blackmailed/ threatened/brainwashed  to toe someone else's line?


Mon, 02/25/2013 - 05:42 | 3273419 lakecity55
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Great article on federal tyranny.


Now the wife knows why I still sleep with a service pistol even tho I am no longer in a war zone.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 07:47 | 3273472 Stud Duck
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Lake City,  I have slept with a M-1 carbine under my bedside for the last 3 decades. Of course I was a friend of Leonhard Peltier and Pedro Bissonette from the 70's occupation of Wounded Knee. That incident where 6 Federal Goons gunned Pedro down on a back road on the Pine Ridge reservation while he was trying to visit his dying grandmother. Just google the name and start reading.

On the milk thing, my old man had me milking a cow, BY HAND, since I was 10 years old, drank the stuff and hated looks of it with patches of cream floating around on top. My grandmother made homemade butter with the cream as well as REAL homemade ice cream. While in my 20's I looked back with disdade on those days, but now realise my WW2 and Korean War vet old man was a terrorist!

He is stll alive at 86 and still a out spoken critic. He raved against the Iraq War when it was not popular, damn near had my whacko sister in law (radical Repub and Bush supporter) throw him out of the house due to criticism of Bush.

When I take him to a Dr visit, I alway put his Korean War Vet hat on him. he gets so many questions from the young nurses and Doctors, he advises them that their is nothing more miserable as the cold of Korea and blood on snow when it is yours. 

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 09:57 | 3273665 overmedicatedun...
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micky d's hamburgs just don't taste the same now that they took out the horse meat,,and now use red slime instead, give me my horse burger please.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 06:15 | 3273430 smacker
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Ron Paul is spot on.


Nanny-statism is not new in the UK. Let's be clear about what it is: it is group of thugs who have given themselves powers to enforce their will on to the general population, simply to engineer society into a model they prefer and to remind us all of who is in charge.

In the UK it began in earnest under the fascist Tony Blair and his cronies in 1997 and has gathered pace since then. A coupla examples from many:

- it is now unlawful in the UK for any cigarette vendor to have them on display..."think of the kids" is the argument used by the socialist political filth. In a typical supermarket, the shelves now have to be enclosed by doors so nobody can see cigarettes for sale. Anger breaks out when a customer waits in line for 5-10 mins on a busy day only to be told that the particular brand he wants is out of stock. Previously he was able to see if they were not on the shelf and he didn't waste his time waiting in line.

- at least one London socialist town hall has prohibited residents of public housing from smoking in their own homes. And moves are underway to prohibit smoking inside motor cars even if the driver/smoker is the only occupant. Apparently, it leaves something bad behind which might injure the health of future passengers, particularly kids. It matters not whether you actually have kids.

- only this weekend, we have a group of NHS doctors (increasingly socialist health fascists) publicly calling for a new tax on fizzy pop which contains sugar, which of course includes Coke and all the others.

It is certainly the case that these fascist policies are just the beginning.  This article from Brandon Smith on his blog sets it all out:

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 07:13 | 3273443 Yogieu
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nanny state in one single picture...

my friend saw in on one of the London's airports. maybe it's the same plant :)

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 07:29 | 3273453 Cult of Criminality
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Near realtime ammo list;

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 08:21 | 3273503 egoist
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Mon, 02/25/2013 - 08:33 | 3273520 AnAnonymous
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No. Man is free willed but people are not born equal.

Some run faster but others are better to take crucial decisions.

It matters the most that people who are the most gifted in taking decisions rule those who are not gifted.

This is how We The People have decided things to be.

Signed: an American.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 10:30 | 3273786 Big Corked Boots
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Free Tibet, asshole.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 08:32 | 3273518 AnAnonymous
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People are not born equal. Some run faster, some are better at killing people etc

As Americans, we have accepted this natural fact a long time ago. Since day one actually, the hallowed 4 July, 1776.

Some people are naturally better at freedom than others. Some are also naturally better at anticipating the future and making sound decisions.

We live by meritocratic standards. Rulers rule because they are naturally the best at ruling.

Now we Americans are also charitable souls. We are naturally more charitable than other people. That is why we cant let people do choices that we know are going to cripple their life.

That idiot thought it was good to drink unpasteurized milk. It is then natural that Americans who are naturally better at seeing risks and managing them told this idiot of his mistake.

A ruler can not pretend ruling if he does not make those kind of decisions for Americans who can not get that decision right.

There is no doubt that this American has his own talent: milking cows. Every one is born with a certain kind of talent.

But he must accept that he is not naturally gifted for taking relevant decisions about his life, as shown when he drank unpasteurized milk.

This is why America is great. The best do what they do best.

Let's that American milk his cows, I say. And let Americans able to govern his life govern his life.

This is how We The People have decided things to be.

Signed: an American.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 10:31 | 3273791 Big Corked Boots
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The Senkakus are Japanese, shithead.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 12:15 | 3274110 Choose Sanity
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Tongue in cheek I assume.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 08:34 | 3273521 Bicycle Repairman
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Decentralize and localize farm production and lots of bad things stop.  Decentralize and localize everything and more bad things stop.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 08:34 | 3273522 Stud Duck
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All one has to do with raw milk is bring it to a boil for one minute and then it is pasturized. The only reason they pasturized milk was for ANTRAX. I grw up in eastern Colorado where antrax was problem when the weather was right for it to multily, then the cow, while eating short grass, breathed it into the lungs and contracted it.

I grew up milking a cow and drinking raw milk, my Dad has thecow tested every year for anthrax by the local vet, that was easier than boiling the milk!!

Dumb ass Feds, one and all!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 08:52 | 3273533 Son of Loki
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1 in 4 Americans have more credit card debt than savings


The survey found that only about 55 percent of Americans have more emergency savings than credit card debt. About 16 percent had none of each, and the rest either didn’t know or wouldn’t answer.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 08:54 | 3273535 thewayitis
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WE JUST NEED TO STAND TOGETHER AS ONE. We need to get back to where America was by the people for the people......Simple

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 09:00 | 3273549 Hannibal
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Well it's like this: raw milk, grow your own food and other likewise peasant sustainable clean life styles are a threat to our national security and must be crushed.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 09:02 | 3273552 Ribeye
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Who the hell does this Ron Paul guy think he is, what the hell does he know about milk, anyone would think his dad ran a dairy or something!!!

Well, my grandad did run a dairy, and I can tell that those cows are fckn dangerous, of course they need to be regulated by the govt, they are evil sneaky bastards, if their not watched, they'll try and take over,

Did you guys know that here in Europe the cows hatched a secret plan to sneak horses into the the food chain, we think we're killing cattle, but they are just hiding, building up their numbers, waiting, just waiting,

Until, BANG; bovine r3volution bady, MOOOOOO!!!!

You guys need to set up a Dept of Moo Cow Protection, 15,000 agents, armed with Assault rifles, and quickly,

Wake up America, OSB is dead, Cows are the new enemy,

War is Peace!

Horse is Beef!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 09:11 | 3273561 DOT
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Keep your horns on Ribeye !   But be really careful around those bulls.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 09:39 | 3273616 smacker
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That's incredible! I thought I was the only one who'd noticed the terrorist cows secretly planning to stir up a revolution! Let's round 'em all up and incarcerate 'em for life, without charge.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 09:36 | 3273612 krispkritter
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And when the milk runs low, switch to your own distilled spirits...freebie:

Moonshine 101

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 09:40 | 3273618 Pumpkin
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People need to qualify their relationship with the government.  Governments are instituted among men to protect their rights.  The people also have an undeniable right to judicial proceedings in common law.  They must first be aware of that fact and know exactly how to enforce that right in a court of law.  They need to know the distinction between a court of law (common law) and a statutory court or court of equity.  They also need to know that the judge in a court of law (common law) is not the court, he is only the referee. He can not do the things a judge can do say in a court of equity.  Anyone who does not know these things has no freedoms.  Rights and freedoms are only the ones that you are aware of and know how to protect.  Almost all actions of government (judicial proceedings) against one of the people  fail immediately in common law.  There must be an injury and an action of the defendant that caused that injury in an action at common law. 

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 10:14 | 3273738 shovelhead
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Blowjobs become illegal because they produce an unpasturized product?


That'll get em out on the streets...

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 12:59 | 3274245 sunnyside
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Ugh.  Like my wife needs yet one more reason to say no.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 10:15 | 3273743 irie1029
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Sorry Ron you left the race and oh by the way with that you lost influence.  I am really disappointed people in the US think there are only 2 parties.  Just last week a alternate party was adopted in Brazil and the organizer got 19% of the vote as a green party.  Here with our MSM a 3rd party can't get 5% because sheeple are to stupid.


Mon, 02/25/2013 - 10:40 | 3273814 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Just look at this video and you'll know why they are going after raw milk farmers and also why they are arming USDA agents. These people hate white americans.

The organization said the “Cultural Sensitivity Training” demanded USDA employees bang on tables, chant “The pilgrims were illegal aliens” and were instructed no longer to use the word “minorities.”

The training, done on a government contract by Samuel Betances, told the workers that they should say “emerging majorities” instead.

According to JW’s report, “The sensitivity training sessions, described as ‘a huge expense’ by diversity awareness trainer and self-described ‘citizen of the world’ Samuel Betances, were held on USDA premises. The diversity event is apparently part of what USDA Secretary Tom Vilsack described in a memo sent to all agency employees as a ‘new era of Civil Rights’ and ‘a broader effort towards cultural transformation at USDA.’ In 2011 and 2012, the USDA paid Betances and his firm nearly $200,000 for their part in the ‘cultural transformation’ program.”

Among the highlights of the video of the training seminar:

  • “If you take a look at all of you here and you think about your salaries and your benefits and what you have left undone – plus my fee – plus the expense of the team that putting the video together, this is a huge expense.”
  • “I want you to say that American was founded by outsiders – say that – who are today’s insiders, who are very nervous about today’s outsiders. I want you to say, ‘The pilgrims were illegal aliens.’ Say, ‘The pilgrims never gave their passports to the Indians.’”
  • “By the way, I don’t like the word ‘minorities.’ How about ‘emerging majorities?’”

“This USDA diversity training video depicts out-of-control political correctness,” said Fitton.

Judicial Watch said it also previously uncovered information revealing that in April 2011, the USDA had treated 300 of its employees to a taxpayer-funded “tasty celebration” of dishes from around the world, salsa dancing lessons from Vincent Loran, and a rap performance by a USDA employee who shared his feelings on human differences.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 10:54 | 3273857 Meat Hammer
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This reminds me of Teddy Roosevelt "civilizing" the Filipinos by slaughtering millions of them...for their own good, of course.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 10:57 | 3273870 rwe2late
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Some have allowed their capitalist “free-market” fantasies to carry them to non-sensible extremes.

Contrary to the delusions of some, society also has “rights”.

Society has the “right” to sanction an individual who commits rape or murder.

However, for sanctions to be legitimately enforced, there must be a government with fair and impartial laws.

The threshold would appear to be when individual actions clearly harm others.

Government over-stepping the bounds occurs when sanctions are imposed to advantage the self-serving interests of a few, or to enforce social prejudices, when no actual harm is prevented from being done to society. The examples of Prohibition I and II, and consenting sex between adults come to mind. NSA spying and Feinstein gun control are other examples, though currently more controversial.

A reasonable compromise seems to have been worked out for cigarettes and alcohol. Banned in some public areas. Sales prohibited to minors. Proper labeling.

Probably raw milk, meat, and vegetables could be handled in that same way instead of a complete ban.

The issues are not always clear. Resolving such issues in a fair, transparent, and democratic manner should be what our government is about, but currently is not.

Those who believe anyone should be able to drive recklessly, pollute the environment, or sell poisonous products freely and without social intervention are myopically selfish or dangerously insane.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 11:32 | 3273987 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Those who believe anyone should be able to drive recklessly, pollute the environment, or sell poisonous products freely and without social intervention are myopically selfish or dangerously insane.

Welcome to the left most extreme of Libertarianism. The center and right side believe in responsibility and consequences, It is just a question of degrees of, freedom isn't free.

Labeling is one thing, but the issue here is people who know the risks and willing accept them being told they can't. That is a personal issue where the govt. should keep its nose out.

Any sane individual wouldn't have an issue with proper labeling, if anything the better the information the more informed choice one can make. Open information (which includes labeling of products) is always a good thing when used in a truthful manner.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 11:01 | 3273885 lunaticfringe
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“Most of the harm in the world is done by good people, and not by accident, lapse, or omission. It is the result of their deliberate actions, long persevered in, which they hold to be motivated by high ideals toward virtuous ends.” 
Isabel PatersonThe God of the Machine

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 11:42 | 3274014 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I think it is time for ZH and some of the amateur freelance comment section journalists to start shining the truthlight on the USDA. Their job is to protect people from contiminated food not harass white dairy farmers who drink raw milk.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 11:44 | 3274024 DutchR
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Raw milk?  Like straight out of the cow's udder?  gross!


I only drink Brawndo's. It's got electrolytes..

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 11:50 | 3274047 ThorsteinVeblen
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When laws were passed to protect consumers, milk was being transported unrefrigerated longer distances as larger farms were prevailing. Did/would the free market correct associated health problems or, was government intervention required? Currently, farmers receive about $1.60 per gallon for their milk, $1.60 per pound for their Cheddar cheese and $1.60 per pound for butter. There is a fraction of the dairy farmers in the state of Wisconsin compared to before the farm subsidy program was begun to "save the family farm". Intervention in the free market did not cause a problem; it fixed it. And, now is the time to intervene again but this time, in the political process where special interest industrialists preserve the status quo.

Free market efficiencies in the production of food are undesirable as long as the target market believes that the best food is genetically modified, inexpensive in the short run, and sold by WalMart. Although milk is meant for calves, consumers should be able to buy local raw milk for local consumption.

"...the recent Racine County raw milk sickness event, which is that the raw milk in question was raw milk intended for pasteurization, rather than raw milk produced to the higher standard required for raw consumption.

See David E. Gumpert’s excellent discussion of this case from June 22nd: "


Mon, 02/25/2013 - 14:15 | 3274480 Whiner
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Don't f--k with the dairy industry. They will close you down in a New York minute ( which is like two seconds or less). We had a federal judge announce he was going to knock out a regulation against a harmless milk substitute. Poor man got a call that night from TPTB and issued his decision affirming the anti-competitive regulation paid for by the big milk producers.

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