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Rand Paul's #Filiblizzard Enters Its Sixth (Now Tenth) Hour
Starting at 1147ET, Rand Paul began his James-Joycean discussion on US-based Drone strikes, six hours later (and with some minor aid from Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)), he is still going. Have you ever felt so strongly about something that you were willing to talk about it for over six hours? From Cruz's note that today is the 177th anniversary of the fall of (or stand at) the Alamo to Paul's rhetorical (we think) question to the President: "Are you going to just drop a hellfire missile on Jane Fonda?" We suspect the night is yet young as the snowquester continues.
The Atlantic summarizes:
Rand Paul spent Wednesday doing something you don't see very often—an honest-to-goodness, non-stop filibuster speech on the floor of the U.S. Senate. Lacking the 41 votes necessary to prevent a cloture vote that would block the nomination of John Brennan to be the CIA director, Paul chose to stall the old-fashioned way, through the original meaning of the talking filibuster. As long as Paul spoke (and stood), he held the Senate captive — and he had a lot to say about drones.
Paul opened by vowing to "speak until I can no longer speak." He held true to that, though senators from several other states (including a Democrat from Oregon) came to the floor to ask questions, during which breaks Paul presumably attended to necessary personal needs.
Paul's was the first talking filibuster since Bernie Sanders spoke for 8.5 hours back in 2010, beginning at around 11:45 a.m. and lasting well into the evening. Whether or not Paul's intended audience — the president — paid any attention remains unclear.
By way of reference (via About.com), The record for the longest filibuster goes to U.S. Sen. Strom Thurmond of South Carolina, who spoke for 24 hours and 18 minutes against the Civil Rights Act of 1957, according to U.S. Senate records. Thurmond began speaking at 8:54 p.m. on Aug. 28 and continued until 9:12 p.m. the following evening, reciting the Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, President George Washington's farewell address and other historical documents along the way.
Some choice, totally out-of-context quotes, so far (via The Atlantic):
"If there was an ounce of courage in this body, I would not be here alone."
"The point isn't that any body in our country is Hitler..."
"If you're going to kill people in America, you need to have rules and we need to know what those rules are. ... I don't want to find out that having seven days worth of food in your house is on the list."
"To be bombed in your sleep? There's nothing American about that."
Live video (via The Washington Post):
The Twittersphere's take on it all:
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Damn nice, haven't seen a commercial free live brodcast worth listening to since I quit cable.
"Dick" Durbin, your worse than a commercial.
Go, Rand!
Ted Cruz asking questions....giving Rand a break. I hope he asks about 8 hours worth to give Rand time to sleep.
Cruz is a Neocon Goldman Sachs whore -he'll put on an act trying to show he is concerned-may even give an occasional good vote -but Cruz is owned by AIPAC/Goldman Sachs -don't ever doubt that for a second. Texas made a big mistake being fooled by this con man -He and fellow Senator John Cornyn are as bad a pair as you get - might as well be represented by Lyndsey Graham - the closet homo who is owned by the bad guys.
Senator Cruz, is joining Sen. Paul in introducing legislation that will make it illegal for the US Govt to target American citizens with drones, on American soil.
Hoping he can beat Strom Thurmond's record.
Thurmond's record was 22 hours, 26 minutes.
I propose we do something similar tomorrow on ZH. Filibuster comments on this post for eight hours. Set a new Internet record!
Yes. A ZH Fillibuster in support! It would make intertubes history!
Down with Hitler!
The following is my recipe for Aunt Mary's Chile Con Carne...
I like it! A threadjacking fillibuster.
He just drones on and on........
At this point, this is nothing more than making a show of fixing the wobbly chair legs so they can be more precisely arranged on the deck of the Titanic.
The Paul family- experts at being idols to those who proclaim to know better.
Yes, down vote me, Im sure this filibuster will make as much of a difference as RON PAUL 2012
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Per your request...
How much did you donate to Ron Paul 2012, and how is that working out for you?
Also, does the fact that Rons father, wife and daughters belong to secret societies matter to you?
-1 all
Brilliant refutations all, a standing ovation is in order!
I'm a ZH groupie -that's a secret society. Doesn't bother me a bit. I sleep well and still admire myself every morning as I lovingly stare at myself while I am shaving.
Where are the other congressmen at this time, 19:42 EST? Enjoying a big meal on their fat asses at some swanky restaurant at the taxpayer's expense? Droning on about their pet projects, paid for by the taxes and death of their constituents who are going to be dead sooner than later if the House slaves O'bomba and Holder get their way?
Don't hellfire my cafe experience
Hear hear!
but what if your cafe experience poses a
dire national threat to the well being of the
federal government of the united states of america?
like in the movies. you might have some codes that
would bring yahoo down and the government has
been on your case and has warrants to tap your phone
and you are about to make a critical ph ............
iiiiiiiiiii zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.................
and the next thing you know you have spilled your latte.
then what?
see? they need the greater authority for greater hypothetical
security which requires the elimination of your liberty and
you are left with the cafe menu of choices but you, my friend,
are a vegetarian at a burger establishment in cow country.
but that was the last thought you were allowed and passers by
barely noticed as the drone dissolved into the distance,
never even landed. in time it never even happened or they say
there were some anomalous heat signature fluctuations near/at cafe
11 in sector 9, i hear jen is pregnant?
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i can't wait for the first reality t.v. drone strike program,
when it becomes fully normalized. still, few will sense there is
a problem.
if we live in a system that approves of exterminating
uncharged, uninfected, "presumed innocent"
citizens, or anyone else, why do we
need a warrant to listen to a phone call or e-mail?
.
do we even need a judicial or legislative branch of government?
.
so cspan would have to find something else to put on the tube?
. (maybe poker games?)
i never liked the idea of presumption of innocence anyway...
i'm a suspicious person, like most i presume everyone is just
as guilty as they are innocent; of what i don't know but
you get the idea and so do the courts. most of the time they
convict and sentence people for crimes they never committed,
it is the system of justice as they call it. the a.g. realizes this.
.
it could all make sense if you just change the presidential
title to King or Lord God. or maybe just have the man claim
The True N Only One God speaks to him directly informing him
which heat signatures are Evil. americans and israelis
could accept that, generally speaking.
the criteria for entry to a secret kill list is also secret.
i wonder if the king lord can exterminate entire classes of people
in the name of paranoid national security? why not? it has been
done before, there is a rich history of it. the attorney
general would not object or find legal fault because the king
can do whatever he deems appropriate, council must assist or he
finds new council.
some might think there was a war fought, revolutionary, to put all
this garbage to rest. i thought that too but all that has been
forgotten due to the blind allegiance to fiat debts incurred to
the federal reserve note system. it takes millions of debt notes
to become a representative of the poor and that debt is owed to
the bankers, that is all the politicians need to remember.
.
we no longer elect presidents, kings are selected for us by
the bankers and they can kill anything they want to kill, anywhere,
anytime. the "economy" would like many thousands of drones in the sky
for strikes and surveillance. nukes in drones? how long?
here the thing, can man, has man, ever said no to a technologic
application
on humanitarian grounds, principles or moral consideration?
there a clue to our problem perhaps?
the answer is no, in times of war, no. there another reason
war is so seductive and destructive.
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so now we hear the twitter update ...
someone brought up the peace prize and killing the citizens,
your employers - taxpayers - the actual real people populating
the country,
with drones. that is a good point and disorienting.
and then he said the american public is frustrated.
i don't think "frustrated" really covers it. not to become
acrimonious but there is contempt involved in the public
attitude to being treated like a non person. a terrorist for
living and being aware of the crimes that are resulting in the
destruction of what has been called "the last great hope" for
mankind , right or wrong. there are principles there, principles
some deny ever existed or ever could exist among men. they won't
have that discussion in public because to take one side of it
is to confess and embrace a lust for power over other men for
the sake of your own ignorant and deluded fantasy.
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heat signature? non humans, it isn't even homicide.
it may be too late for us.
Never too late, friend. Where there's life, there's hope. Life is a team effort, and we get to choose our values.
CONgress is betraying us, whether one's political color is blue, red or yellow. CONgress is green: money, money, money. That is their master...for now.
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rand paul just used the term "..our killing program ..
(determined by) heat signature..." . paraphrased. so are
we to accept we now have a "heat signature based killing
program"? seems like we got to this sick place so quickly,
already normalized. they need to call it something else ..
like..." heat signature based deep cleansing program ".
i could hear that out of that creep press secretary kid obama
sends out to talk to the prestitutes.
that carney kid, he even sneers like cheney. he looks like
someone who would say anything to anyone for a snickers bar; smart
kid if you're addicted to snickers and the finer things in
american life.
Apparently the EBS got tired of Rand and tried to filibuster Rand's filibuster with a monthly test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZWqIbtMqm8
Tip of the Hat RP!
http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2523518
Sen. Rand Paul just offered to end his filibuster and allow a vote on CIA nominee John Brennan if he could get a vote tomorrow on a non-binding resolution regarding drone killing of US citizens on US soil. But Assistant Majority Leader Dick Durbin objected to allowing a vote on the resolution. So Paul resumed speaking.
Busted! Shows that CONgress wants use of drones against non-combatants without a warrant against U.S. citizens on U.S. soil.
All the CONgress cowards do not want to vote, and betray their lobbyists...or constituents. They can't have both, so they choose plausible deniability. Filth.
No retorts, just impotent downvotes. You fucking sheep.
Yea its kinda hard to tell rebel sheep that they are sheep also.
Sheep in wolves' clothing.
" Yea its kinda hard to tell rebel sheep that they are sheep also. "
Bert says to Ernie ....
So I am the rebel sheep and you are the regular sheep now?? Thinking is hard
At some point the politicians and banks will figure out that it's their butts who Ron and Rand were trying to save by keeping it peaceful.
Yeah, I became suspicious of Ron Paul when, in 2008, he handed his followers over to the "Constitution Party" which is actually a christian extremist group. Interesting article. I haven't trusted Rand since day one. It was pretty clear early on he rode his fathers coat tails and was not cut from the same cloth.
That was my 1st and last attempt at participating in Politics. Went to my state convention as a delagate for Ron Paul and watched the shadiest dirtiest and most childish antics I've ever seen from a large group of adults. I figured it extrapolates out to the federal level and was certainly the end of my remaining scraps of faith in "the system".
The US is doomed because you fucktards run right back to the left vs right/ blue vs red/ my team vs their team bullshit at the drop of a hat.
Pay attention asshole.
It not he who speaks but what is said. You post a link and expect a response or it's Fuck you sheep. What do you have to post about the content of this fillibuster? We all have been exposed to the Red/Blue equivalence. You got nuthin.
At 8 p.m. Eastern -- Rand Paul still going. He is standing up on my and others' behalf on this important issue. I think I have to stay up with him 'til he (or one of us) drops. It seems the least I can do....
Right on.
You can listen while typing an E mail of support to his office.
I see this board is somewhat split on Rand Paul because of his past statements. I share those concerns as well but let's put some of that into context. Being active in politics is not like posting on ZH or any other blog. You actually have to face your foe face to face. No hiding behind a computer screen. You have to take the stage and make a speech in front of a large group of delegates and media who are filming what you say and flashing pictures of you.
When, it comes your turn to speak, you have to hope the guy/gal in front of you was a complete idiot but they often are not and are polished speakers sent by the party. When it is your turn to speak, you take the stage the lights are on you and your knees are a little weak. Everything you rehearsed that you were going to say suddenly betrays your mind and at that point you have to go into extemporaneous mode. When that happens, you had better have a solid core of beliefs to draw from or you are fucked.
Would you be pissed at me to know that I sort of pretended to back the McCainiac to get myself elected to GOP office in 2008? Once elected, I turned on them so fast it made their heads spin. In politics, you lie your ass off or you will never be elected to jack shit except coffee gofer. Have you, who are hating on Rand right now, ever stood up in front of a large crowd of potentially hostile people and tried to deliver a speech much less a filibuster in front of the world?
There can be a lot of reasons why Rand said what he said when he said it. You have to remember that Rand is not Ron and needed to seperate himself from his father to some degree. Rand wanted to appear to be moderate. While I found some of what has Rand has said to be abrasive in the past, he is making up for all of that now in the spirit of liberty.
While I have no illusions that this nation can be saved at this point, valid arguments can still can be presented and that is what I see and hear Rand doing right now. To me, a veteran of listening to overwindy politicians at various political conventions, what Rand is doing is inspiring. I sincerely hope that he can keep going as long as possible and it is a great thing to see some other Senators have his back. The recent Twtter comments reading on the floor were outstanding.
well, well stated! You expressed my sentiments exactly. Rand is his Dad in substance (maybe better) but not in style. You have to play politics, you have to learn the art of making coalitions if you want to get things done. Rand knows hjow to work the Glenn Beck types -he knows how to use them, just as they need him to show they are not completely phony Neocon establishment whores. Rand is very smart - he played up to the Neocons and his dumbass Tea party morons by criticizing Hagel -but there was never any doubt he would not vote for him -especially if his vote was needed. Rand is the future and the hope -the best chance we will have to get a real choice in 2016.
With all of these confirmations coming at the same time - Hagel, Kerry, Brennen, Lew, he has been one of the only Senators that has asked hard questions and who has been poking the bear with a stick so to speak.
Even with this fillibuster after waiting for answers to his letters since the 25th of January with no response, he possibly won't be able to stop Brennen from being confirmed, but at least he is able to bring attention to the fact that Obamao seems to think he has the legal authority to kill Americans on American Soil with drone strikes, without trial or guilt.
He possibly won't be able to stop the nom, but he also knows by going about this the way he did that he is going to get a tremendous amount of media coverage which just might be seen by some dolts out there who might get a clue. We will see...........
Thank you Sir for your kind words Savy.
"Do you want to live in a police state?"
RP2016!
Take note: Not one single "uhh" "err" or "ahh" from this guy.
Noted.
Jefferson and Franklin: if you trade your liberty for security, then you will lose both, and deserve neither.
Wrong to use drones against non-combatants without a warrant. That is the bare minimum point to be made.
It is good to see the trolls are starting to act up now. Means Rand is starting to cause some real concern with this droning on about drones strikes.
More hope and change for the side that says they dont believe in hope and change?
It is called actually getting a touchy issue past the MSM information control mechanism into the matrix. If it sways public opinion it will have not been for naught. That is what they fear when they lose control.
Do you people really think that anyone that is remotely aware of reality isn't already paying attention? The rest of the herd is watching DWTS and the Amazing Race. They OWN the media ok, once you accept that, then you'll realize anything IN the matrix was PUT in the matrix by TPTB.
And this matrix, it is full of people who couldnt figure this out without the filispeech? Sounds like a bright group, Im sure this will completely blow their minds and change their outlooks. Hope and change, now with blue flavor!
Narrow minded people have narrow fields of vision. It is very easy to keep things out of their sight (out of sight out of mind, we don't talk about it, it isn't an issue, first rule of disinformation). Same thing with distracted individuals. They are only focused on what is distracting them. When it gets in their fields of vision it becomes an issue.
I thought I was arguing against you?? Thanks for making my point-narrow minded, distracted individuals make Ron and Rand Paul their savior Idols, whilst claiming to know better than the average sheeple. Relief valves are effective at avoiding explosions
PS the easiest marks are those who think THEY have the upper hand
The Ron Paul disciples are not ideologically consistant libertarians at least the Conservative Republican flavor types. They strike me as born again Christian types just in an ideological type of way. The main thing we have in common is smaller government and rule of law. Idol worship is not libertarianish. Respect of (the) an individual is, not worship.
Ok, keep bleating, keep following the government, they'll take care of you. I'm sure the neo-con boot-licker of israel cares about you. You can count on him. You won't have to lift a finger.
a -1 for Ernie
Who's the guy in the yellow tie to RPs left? V helpful, he is. Good. This is a time to use the opportunity to state facts and values.
Rattle your chains!
Long coffee and Red Bull! Go Rand!
RP just made an excellent point re: rule of law.
Iraq today saw the grandiose enthronement of a new Iraqi catholic leader, and all the world sent its emmissaries to witness this. Billions given to Iraq: most of it stolen by its elite.
There can be no peace nor prosperity without the rule of law, warrant, haebeus corpus etc.
RP just hit on something I've been wondering about and that is how many non-american drones are active in US airspace at any one time?
Excellent point re: the drone seen by an approaching civilian aircraft over NYC this week.
Drones in war zones with their skitzy navigation are a terrible danger to civilian aircraft in the U.S.
"Nothing ever happens around here" LOL
Apple does not fall far from the tree.
GO RAND!
Rand was medically trained back in an era where pulling 36 hour shifts was common practice. I bet he can go on for a long time. Go Rand, you are waking some people up.
Good obs.
The director ought to show a wide shot of the chamber in order to reveal the empty seats when RP pauses more than a few seconds. A picture paints a thousand words.
Or is it the point to conceal the emptiness of CONgress?
Who else is saying this? What other senator has spoken about the rule of law?
'We've set the bar pretty low for our killing program' if we kill a child because he had 'bad' parents...
O'bomba is behaving like a Nazi: killing anyone he deems unfit to live, even children in war zones, and now he targets U.S. citizens on U.S. soil without providing sufficien evidence of their wrongdoing or respecting the 5th Amendment, and due process.
The first infatuated Paul fan to tell me what a Judas Goat is gets 100 Internet Points!
According to Wikipedia, a Judas goat is a trained goat used in general animal herding.
100 points for you Sir or Madame! the rest of the wikipedia definition- . The Judas goat is trained to associate with sheep or cattle, leading them to a specific destination. In stockyards, a Judas goat will lead sheep to slaughter, while its own life is spared. Judas goats are also used to lead other animals to specific pens and onto trucks. They have fallen out of use in recent times, but can still be found in various smaller slaughterhouses in some parts of the world.
I found this excerpt from that wiki page very interesting-
The phrase has also been used to describe a goat that is used to find feral goats that are targeted for eradication. The Judas goat is outfitted with a transmitter, painted in red and then released. The goat then finds the remaining herds of feral goats, allowing hunters to exterminate them
Well then, you suggest that I go along with the herd in order to not be targeted for eradication. To that I would argue you have the spine of a sheep. Pick your path.
I am a deomcrat, I live in Miami, and I love this guy. This issue trumps all others RP for president.
House slave O'bomba and Holder are two faced lying bastids, just based on the guy now assisting RP by reading Holder's letter.
IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO USE MILITARY FORCE ON U.S. SOIL AGAINST U.S. CITIZENS.
Due process of law rules...not the House slaves.
Just so we know what the other rank and file Republicrats were doing tonight.
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/06/17211439-gops-graham-on-ob...
Lindsey Graham took the lead on the guest list. Barack Obama extended the invitations. And on Wednesday night, after weeks of gridlock, a dozen Republican senators are dining out with the president.
Planning to break bread? Sens. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga.; Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H.; Dan Coats, R-Ind.; Tom Coburn, R-Okla.; Richard Burr, R-N.C.; Mike Johanns, R-Neb.; Pat Toomey, R-Pa.; John Hoeven, R-N.D.; and Corker, Johnson, McCain and Graham.
At least Saxby and Toomey took the time to help out Rand before going to dinner. The rest of them just shows you what they care about.
There are only about 5-10 good R senators, the rest can eat sh@t!
Saxby has said he will not run again in 2014 so I can see him playing both sides at this point. Toomey well I don't know much about him to say.
This is an example why term limits are a good idea. You think some 70-80 year old turd whose been a senator for decades gives a shit about anything except what's for supper this evening and where's the exlax? You go RP, you go.....
Good Point!
I think they care very much about 16 y o Dominican hookers and viagra though.
Utah Senator reading Holder's response to Paul's letter to Obama re. Drone Use citing extraordinary need for Drones "to protect the Homeland" in such circumstances as Dec. 7, 1941 and Sept. 11, 2001...
...both "circumstances" enabled or outright staged by proxy by and for the U.S. Government....
OMG. He says the Senate Judiciary Committe has not been allowed to review the legal opinion given by bureaucrats to the DoJ on which O'bomba and Holder seek to use lethal force against U.S. citizens on U.S. soil involving drones and or the military, without warrant or due process.
No surprise. O'bomba signed the unconstitutional NDAA New Year's Eve 2012 which gives him and his absolute control over all U.S. resources: living people, land, water, everything.
Nazi O'bomba, and his Administration.
A piece of legislation pushed through Congress by a REPUBLICAN majority vote...
History know that as the Enabeling Act.
Sad thing is, to be generous, 90% of Americans have no idea what you mean by that comment. They have no idea about the Reichstag fire, or who the National Socialists targeted first to cement their power (I.e. the German SPD Social Democrats, targeted via the Enabling Act).
RE Rand Paul's fillibuster...he may or may not be a "hero" and at this point, too little too late, but if all you're going to do is wait for the man without sin to appear, good luck with that. Hell, to be honest I think RP is setting himself up to be John Connor and lead the resistance once the T-100s go operational vice thinking anyone can realistically stop Leviathan from within the system.
Which leads to the one logical choice...Eric Holder 2016! Vote in the American Beriya!
(because he deserves to drive this car off the cliff for those who can't spot sarcasm)
This guy is talking plain and true about the value of law under this Republic. To restrain government, not justify its 'capricious' or 'arbitrary' desire.
The law, the Constitution, written by wise men who understood human nature, so no one person or group could become a law unto themselves; we as Americans can live free because our laws govern us, not the whim or caprice of individuals.
Brilliant statement by the man now speaking.
The man is Mike Lee. R-Utah
A very good man; the sort that might restore faith in disreputable Congress, me thinks.
This is an opportunity to state facts and values. Make a stand, and believe in it, even if it a moral victory, and O'bomba continues to drone on without more dissent from modern CONgress.
Senator John Barrasso from Wyoming is also giving some heavy blows.
Loving the multi-layered speaker filibuster effect. This is historical stuff. I am starting to get the impression that more folks than just Rand are pissed off in Senate. I wonder if anyone else will notice? Keep going!!!
Mike Lee has pretty much been on the same page as Rand. No surprises there. If they keep this up, be interesting to see if anyone shows up and punches their timecard to work the night shift. I've decided to leave it on until it is over even if I do dip in and out.
Tylers should break out the sleeping bags, marshmallows and cocktails...
Cheers :-) Intend to do so. It's worthy of the fight club.
Agreed. This is a rare effort indeed.
first senators I have seen in many years...the tyrant can bear no affront to his person or his use of power..we shall see.
Question answered.
John Barrasso (WY) just stepped to the plate.
For anyone who cares Barrasso voted against the 2013 NDAA bill. Apparently prior to that he wasn't on the same page since he did vote for the 2012 NDAA bill.
JURY NULLIFICATION the Law and the Facts bitches!!!!!
Yes, Wyoming. What about the accuracy, privacy and other issues related to drones? All fair questions.
Still no adequate answer from O'bomba, and Holder has made matters worse by his silly shallow response.
FBI 'secretly spying' on Google users, company reveals
Published March 06, 2013
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/03/06/fbi-ecretly-spying-on-google-user...
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i can't believe i linked foxnews. apologies but .....
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/
from link ..
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" Yottabytes and exaflops, septillions and undecillions—the race for computing speed and data storage goes on. In his 1941 story “The Library of Babel,” Jorge Luis Borges imagined a collection of information where the entire world’s knowledge is stored but barely a single word is understood. In Bluffdale the NSA is constructing a library on a scale that even Borges might not have contemplated. And to hear the masters of the agency tell it, it’s only a matter of time until every word is illuminated."
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the line .." ..the entire world’s knowledge is stored but barely a single word is understood." perfect use of the language!
Meanwhile, former CIA Director Petraeus' reputation is now totally destroyed after the Guardian had a story showing Petraeus was the evil wizard behind the curtain responsible for promoting the use of Iraqi torture centers during the U.S. occupation. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/06/pentagon-iraqi-torture-centr...
Bradley Manning, the WikiLeaker, provided much of the information showing the role of Petraeus' immediate subordinates in funding the torture centers. So naturally, the U.S. Army tortured Manning as much as it could, but no cattle prods which leave marks. The Guardian website even has video of Petraeus' henchmen on the job, but no audio of the screams from the Sunni torture victims.
Why do I think that the CIA rank and file, which hated Petraeus, had a hand in this story? Time for another War Crimes Tribunal.
Yes. Armed Forces fight for your right to choose, and vote. They support the Constitution.
@ ".. Armed Forces fight for your right to choose, and vote. They support the Constitution."
maybe so but there is a price for this, accepting this solution
or paradigm, do you know what the price is?
Yes. My family pays the price. Always has. Still does. Our choice. Long live the Republic.
It is for Congress to uphold the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence. That's politics. Pity it votes for endless war, as does most of its fans.
best to you, your family and community newengland. it is a crime
and a pity to vote for and engage in this permanent war business,
and it is just business for fiat money demand and satisfaction, but
there is, beyond the physical ultimate price too, another price. that
is your liberty and freedom, your creative impulse to live in
peace; it is all given up, traded and lost. and the first casualty
is truth, dead.
Hey, somebody get on that tweeter thing and tell them ZH is following the fillibuster. Maybe Cruze will mention it.
There are a lot of people backing RP!
As a R(on) Paul fan... not to diminish the effort...
While certainly worthy of pursuit, in the political game the subject matter is a high-value, low-risk target.
May it lead somewhere, but regardless of outcome, a corrupt Congress, et al -- and supporting forces -- remain.
It is about setting the table for 2014.
We can get to the "All Men" part after we get past the "US soil" part. The real meat is war without Declaration.
If that is true -- that U.S. military supports the Constitution -- which I believe is true, then how could a coup of the nation be brought about without a *private* (or foreign) military?
The "alien and seditious government" Jefferson warned us about is here today. There are few of us who are not, by default, among a new Constitutional Militia.
RP is right to point out the dangerous amguity in the response of Holder, the lawyer, as any legal eagle or sensible person would realise.
Good tactics. Someone helping the man from Wyoming with facts, a document. This needs to continue, as he assists RP, and everyone who wants the Constitution to prevail and hold this O'bomba Administration to account.
"the cia doesn't operate in the united states." j.b.
yea, and the pope doesn't shit in the woods.
'Does it have the authority to do so. This is an important distinction...which cannot be ignored. The President has ignored the question when put to him directly.'
The man from Wyoming is correct, and right to expose the evasion which raises genuine concerns.
Well, who knew there was anyone else in Senate worth a shit? Now we know that there are a few at least. I didn't see any tinfoil hats anywhere either. Wow, I've watched this for five hours now with interest. Clearly, if you are still on this thread, you are still watching too. I am with you. It's a good to know the whole effort was not entirely a wasted one.
But still, I must always revert to what Albert Nock had the following to say about trying to affect the masses in his essay on The Remnant.(and ZH is NOT the masses) Nock issued a challenge to prove him wrong here I think.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/nock3b.html
I suspect Mike Enzi (WY) will also be joining in on the filibuster at some point tonight.
Uh oh. The live feed on ZH disrupted just now. I wouldn't be surprised if O'bomba's Administration just can't stand the heat, even at this level. Another sign of thin skinned Nazi fascist wimps. Happy to kill others if a drone or someone else pulls the trigger.
There has never been a time in U.S. history with so much continuous war, and so few in congress served in the military. They behave like bullies at home and abroad. Snivelling wimps.
Or maybe it's just typical live feed glitches.
Just watch it directly off the C-SPAN2 feed.
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/
Dewey Cheatum Howe is accurate in his advice to watch off the link he posted. Cspan2 tells you who the speakers are too which is good to know.
Probably CSPAN2'S best ratings in years.
thank you.
The caption above the video feed reads at this time (absurdly or appropriately):
'Now on C-SPAN2: Gun Violence Reduction'
"There has never been a time in U.S. history with so much continuous war, and so few in congress served in the military."
It is axiomatic that those who have seen war most abhor it, just as those who haven't tend to romanticize it.
True.
The King Of All Drones - WilliamBanzai7
http://chartistfriendfrompittsburgh.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-king-of-all...
He could have picked a better example than Hanoi Jane. I would send the CCR to intimidate her and Mark Ferhman to frame her for something, keep her too busy to call me on my techno-spear chucking.
Though I'll never be a fan of legacy politicians, since it carries the odor of a Royal Class, I admire and support what Rand Paul is doing here, and admire the support he is getting from fellow Senators Cruz and Barrasso. Force Obama's hand. Let's see if the US still has a Constitution, or whether we should take that document from the National Archives and put it up on EBay.
Love the Wyoming guy, but that is why you don't take sheets of paper up there and read that much directly off sheet. I know he is burning his voice on Rand's behalf so that is cool.
Does Rand get to go to the bathroom while someone else is talking? I suppose he could just use a chamber pot if necessary...
No...he can't sit down or leave to go to the bathroom or it's over. If he was thinking ahead, maybe he is sporting a large size of "depends".
Stand for Rand
When the thick dark clouds of tyranny leave a rare opening to the blue sky, sometimes you get see the beautiful light of liberty shine.
Stand with Rand.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/06/watch-live-rand-paul-filibusters-b...
Mr. Paul Goes to Washington.
or is it Horatio at the Bridge?
Fab. Grandma twitters for the first time tonight. Nice story from the man speaking now.
Excellent that the guy speaking now extends the fillibuster by using the time to explain the big picture; a history lesson of sorts which is much needed by most people, as a reminder, if nothing else. This is an elegant way to assist this moment in Congress.
Ted Cruz (R-TX)
Are they going to roll out an updated "Declaration of Independence" soon? We could use one.
Elegant performance by the man now at the podium. Very worthy of his place.
Ted Cruz is actually making sense. I find this novel, unexpected and amazing coming from this new Senator. He is currently saying that Congress has NOT authorized drone strikes, and any such on American citizens on American soil are invalid. This sounds like building a case for impeachment, and I hope those layabouts in the House are listening.
It is enough; too many lies, too many thefts, too many denials of life and liberty. Vickie Weaver deserved better; the unnamed men, women and children of Waco deserved better; and WE deserve better. Impeach Obama, and begin restoration of the Republic.
Cruz also mentioned that he was interested in being President one day in a passing comment.(five o'clock shadow comment)
Adolf must be impeached!
Cruzify him!
Back, and to the left. Back, and to the left. Back, and to the left...
...shall be my brother!
Anybody taking odds on Harry Reid having Rand droned?