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Margaret Thatcher Has Died
Slew of headlines out of the UK reporting that after suffering a stroke, the Iron Lady and former Prime Minister of the UK, Margaret Thatcher, has died. Rest in Peace.
Margaret Thatcher: October 13, 1925- April 8, 2013
Former Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher has died at 87 following a stroke, her spokesman has said.
Lord Bell said: "It is with great sadness that Mark and Carol Thatcher announced that their mother Baroness Thatcher died peacefully following a stroke this morning."
Baroness Thatcher was Conservative prime minister from 1979 to 1990.
She was the first woman to hold the post. Her family is expected to make a further statement later.
Baroness Thatcher, born Margaret Roberts, became the Conservative MP for Finchley, north London in 1959, retiring from the Commons in 1992.
Having been education secretary, she successfully challenged former prime minister Edward Heath for her party's leadership in 1975.
She won general elections in 1979, 1983 and 1987.
Most productive on the scene? The FT, which posted this 2,369 word obit 10 minutes after news of her death:
Thatcher: ‘Iron lady’ who changed Britain
She changed us all. We went from being a people who saw ourselves as eternally on the downward slide to a nation that was proud to be British again. On the world stage too, she made Britain count once more. She was a startling presence who brought a strong and controversial style to our diplomacy after years of Foreign Office blandness.
The words are those of Charles Powell, one of the closest aides of the “iron lady” during her time in power. Margaret Thatcher, who has died aged XX, not only revolutionised the social order in her own country but did much to reshape world politics amid the crumbling of the Soviet empire.
The developed world's first woman prime minister transformed a sclerotic UK economy, all but neutered the trade unions and endeavoured “to roll back the frontiers of the state” with a policy of offloading the great nationalised industries and selling council houses to their occupants. Abroad, she was the indomitable leader who won victory over Argentina in the Falklands war, who decided that Mikhail Gorbachev was a Soviet leader she could “do business with” and who inspired a respect for “Thatcherism” as a political philosophy that was never quite matched on the domestic front.
The flip side of her courage, toughness and radicalism was an arrogance, obstinacy and remoteness that became more marked the longer she clung to office. She centralised power to a degree not seen before in modern Britain. One result of the way she dominated government was her failure to heal the wounds opened up in her own Conservative party over her plans for a poll tax and her negative approach to the UK's role in Europe. Yet such was the force of her presence that what came after her was defined in terms of her absence.
Born in 1925 in Grantham, Lincolnshire, Margaret Hilda Roberts was the younger daughter of a corner shop grocer, Alfred Roberts, and his wife Beatrice. He was a self-made man, a Liberal alderman and a father whose tenets of integrity, hard work and self-reliance were strong influences throughout her career. His younger daughter's self-belief manifested itself early. Told by a teacher how lucky she was to have won a poetry reading contest, the 10-year-old Margaret replied: “I was not lucky. I deserved it.”
Though far from poor by the standards of a provincial town in the Depression, the Roberts family had neither hot running water nor an indoor lavatory. Yet she and her sister Muriel were well-dressed – their mother was a seamstress – and in a class-conscious era the ambitious Margaret took elocution lessons when she went to Kesteven and Grantham girls school. She read chemistry at Somerville College, Oxford, then a huge achievement for a girl of her origins, and joined the university's Conservative Association, becoming its president in 1946.
After Oxford she worked as a research chemist but spent much time in Dartford, Kent, where she became party candidate. It was a hopeless seat for a Tory but at her adoption meeting she was offered a lift home by a wealthy businessman, a divorcé some 10 years her senior called Denis Thatcher. As he later said: “She stood for Dartford twice and lost twice, and the second time she cried on my shoulder I married her.” Denis was to give her unstinting support emotionally and financially throughout her career.
In 1953 the couple had twins, Carol and Mark. Denis's wealth meant they could afford a full-time nanny so motherhood did not stop her reading law, passing her Bar exams and in 1959 becoming MP for the London seat of Finchley.
She stood out from the beginning. Westminster's few women MPs tended to be older and unmarried whereas Thatcher, apart from her mastery of detail and her fluency as a speaker, was a young mother with an almost chocolate-box prettiness. She was made parliamentary secretary to the pensions minister and after the Conservatives' 1964 defeat the new party leader, Edward Heath, promoted her to his shadow cabinet even though he had been warned that “if we take her we'll never be able to get rid of her”. When Heath won the 1970 election she was given the cabinet post of education secretary. In the eyes of her contemporaries, however, she was still the token woman in the government.
She might have remained such, but for her performance as a minister and her ability to capitalise on her luck. As education minister she approved more comprehensive school schemes than anyone before or since, and she earned notoriety by ending free milk for pupils over eight. “Maggie Thatcher, milk snatcher,” became the first of many derogatory slogans applied to her throughout her political life.
She formed an alliance with Sir Keith Joseph, a tortured intellectual of the right, who was appalled when Heath performed his great U-turn, back towards the corporate state and the imposition of controls over prices and incomes. By the time the Heath government fell in February 1974, Joseph's circle was increasingly influential. Heath lost a second election that October yet declined to stand down.
Had he done so, any one of a number of prominent male colleagues might have succeeded him. Probably Thatcher would not have made the attempt. But as the manoeuvring proceeded the men wrote themselves out. When Joseph refused to stand following an ill-judged speech about working-class inbreeding, she said she would do so “because somebody with our viewpoint has to stand”.
Airey Neave, an anti-Heath backbencher who was later murdered by the IRA, put his organising talents, and a list of supporters already garnered, at her disposal. She trounced Heath on the first ballot and clinched the leadership against a pile of second-rounders. As Opposition leader she and her team evolved a statement of principles entitled The Right Approach to the Economy. Its essence was monetary and fiscal prudence, the detachment of the trade unions from the management of national affairs and a reduction in the role of the state. It became a foundation document of Thatcherism.
Soon she had made her mark, not just at home but also on the world stage – much helped by an early speech attacking the Soviet Union, which led the Red Army to come up with the “iron lady” epithet.
Oppositions often depend on the incumbent government destroying itself. Labour obliged. The 1978-79 “winter of discontent” was marked by public sector strikes that left rubbish piled high in the streets and the dead unburied. Labour's electoral hopes were destroyed for a decade.
When Thatcher came to power in 1979 the British polity was in a mess. Inflation and unemployment were rising and the unions to many seemed out of control. Against all conventional wisdom, she took an axe to public spending. At one celebrated meeting she even demanded an extra £1bn cut in spite of warnings from those present that the country would fall apart.
Resisting calls for a softer line, she told the 1980 Tory conference: “To those waiting for the favourite media catchphrase ‘the U-turn', I have only one thing to say: U-turn if you want to. The lady's not for turning.”
The economic medicine was hard to stomach. Unemployment rose above 3m, manufacturing output fell and the new prime minister's poll rating slid. Yet by 1983, inflation was down below 4 per cent from a peak of 22 per cent and the Conservatives' ratings were up again. Years later Lord Carrington, who became her foreign secretary, said: “Her finest hour really was with the economy and changing people's perceptions of what we ought to be doing.” It was, he said, greater even than her display of leadership in the Falklands war.
When Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands in 1982, Thatcher barely hesitated before sending a 25,000-strong military task force to reclaim the tiny colony. Victory and her unswerving purpose throughout the war cemented her image of determination at home and abroad. So too did her successful, table-thumping battles to reduce the UK's contribution to the European Community budget, insisting: “I want my money back.” Despite being described by François Mitterrand, then the president of France, as having “the lips of Marilyn Monroe and the eyes of Caligula”, her European and global fan club multiplied. Her election victory in 1983, against a Labour party led by the elderly Michael Foot, seems in retrospect to have been almost too easy.
If Britain's military triumph in the South Atlantic was the most dramatic event of her first term, the vanquishing on a peacetime battlefield of the National Union of Mineworkers was the outstanding victory of her second. It was a bloody conflict with communities torn apart and pitched battles between miners and the police. Yet the NUM, previously regarded as invincible by any government, was eventually forced to back down.
On the economic front, Thatcher continued the battle to “roll back the frontiers of the state”. Privatisation began with National Freight and was extended to include steel, gas, telecommunications and water. State support for private industry was phased out. Local authority homes were sold at a discount to tenants, dramatically boosting home ownership though at the cost of an enduring void in housing provision for the poor.
These advances towards an increasingly liberal domestic economy, within a world marketplace where Britain was again respected, began to appear unstoppable. So did she. At the 1984 Tory conference in Brighton, five died and others were seriously injured when an IRA bomb ripped through the Grand Hotel just before 3am. The prime target survived. Next morning, condemning the attack as an attempt to cripple democracy, she told reporters : “This is the day I was not meant to see . . .”
It was her opposition to communism that helped bring about what she later regarded as her greatest achievement: the collapse of the Soviet empire. Her decade in Downing Street coincided with Ronald Reagan's eight years in the White House and the two became political soul mates. She supported Reagan as he brought the Russians to their knees by his willingness to outspend them on defence. At the same time she encouraged Mr Gorbachev's reform programme, recognising that it could help destroy collectivism from within. She won the hearts of much of the Soviet public in a barnstorming visit in 1987. Complete with a stunning new wardrobe, as one aide said she “came on like a modern Tsarina”. Barely two years later the Berlin Wall fell.
At home, however, her attitude to Europe was the cause of political setbacks. One of the biggest was the dramatic departure from her cabinet of Michael Heseltine, who walked out following a row over whether the Americans or Europeans should rescue the Westland helicopter company. On the surface she remained unruffled. She even recovered, although only temporarily, from the resignation of Nigel Lawson as chancellor of the exchequer.
Yet each new departure left her more isolated. Each was, in essence, a replay of the argument over the UK's place in Europe. As prime minister she had sanctioned the Single European Act, creating a genuine single market. Yet she hated any idea of a European superstate. In an outspoken speech at Bruges in 1988, she insisted: “We haven't worked all these years to free Britain from the paralysis of socialism only to see it creep in through the back door of central control and bureaucracy from Brussels.”
Her strident tone dismayed pro-Europeans in her cabinet. Thatcher was unrepentant and the wound festered. So too did that caused by her plans to introduce a regressive local government poll tax in the face of widescale opposition from Tories. By the time of her tenth anniversary as prime minister, it could be seen by others, but not by her, that she had been in office long enough. In 1989 a pro- European backbencher, Sir Anthony Meyer, stood against her and garnered enough votes to show there was real discontent in the parliamentary party.
The coup de grâce came the following year from Geoffrey Howe, her former chancellor and foreign secretary, who stunned the House of Commons by suggesting in his resignation speech that Thatcher's attitude was “like sending your opening batsmen to the crease only for them to find, the moment the first balls are bowled, that their bats have been broken before the game by the team captain”.
A few days later Mr Heseltine, her long-time opponent, stood against her. A badly organised campaign, and an arrogance that saw her flying off to Paris on the night of the vote, brought about what many had believed unthinkable: she failed to win outright on the first ballot.
She had been proved mortal. Discontent over poll tax, her anti-European stance and her imperious style led her cabinet, one by one, to tell her that she should go.
The trauma of her unseating was to ravage Tory unity for years. One small consolation for her was that John Major, not Mr Heseltine, succeeded her.
Her final speech as prime minister in the Commons was a bravura performance as she defended her record, even at one point insisting: “I'm enjoying this!”
Although they stayed in power until ousted by Tony Blair and New Labour in 1997, the Tories were deeply scarred by the manner of her departure. It was to be 20 years before it entirely regained its confidence and momentum. Thatcher lived to see her party return to power under David Cameron in 2010 but she was too frail to attend the 85th birthday party in Number 10 that had been arranged for her.
She had never fully recovered from her abrupt and forced exit from frontline politics. In 1992 she went to the House of Lords as Baroness Thatcher of Kesteven. For a while, on the international lecture circuit she received ecstatic receptions from foreign audiences, amazed that the British had ditched her. But it was not the same.
Her health started to deteriorate. In 2004 Sir Denis, made a hereditary baronet in his wife's resignation honours, died and she was left alone. She battled on, but her best moments were when she met old friends to talk about past triumphs and to dream of marching into Downing Street and making Britain great again.
Sue Cameron and Joe Rogaly
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The pot calling the kettle black = dirty pool, settling some scores, killing the competition, tightening the chains.
In the immortal words of the physicist Richard Feynman "I was born not knowing and have had only a little time to change that here and there" - Maggie was one of those rare individuals RIP
Looking at the midgets who served as Prime Minister before and after PM Thatcher, it is clear she was a giant.
She was a giant pygmy.
People with integrity do not preside over the dumbing down of education standards. It was under her rule that the O level standard was replaced with GCSEs.
People with integrity do not preside over the dumbing down of education standards.
Are refering to CSCOPE?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Certificate_of_Secondary_Education
That was by Thatcher's hand.
Remember who created Channel 4, that socialist propaganda platform. Same pygmy.
All that talk of home ownership, when it was really just a way of oligarchs to get control of houses.
On mass immigration - what did the Iron Lady do - but promote it.
let us not forget the firing of customs officers, and the subsequent flooding of the nation with Afghani heroin, so ubiquitous that it became cheaper to get high than have a few heavily taxed pints with yer mates down the pub. . .
add in the lack of jobs with industry closures, as the people were herded into the beginnings of a service(servant)-industry, and it's small wonder that council estates, families were destroyed with addictions.
I remember Edinburgh earning the banner "Aids Capital of Europe"
I'm sure it was all just a coincidence. . .
You should put a photo of Hillary Clinton next to that one.
Some choices are easy.
“Consensus negates leadership”
Regardless of how she nets out with policy, she did leave a few good quotes.
I don’t recall any really good ones from Hillary.
"We came, we saw, he died"
'My Lawyer was just suicided, so I broke into his office.'
'Those CIA files look interesting, may I?'
'Bill, you really need to cut down on those cigars...or grease them.'
'First we will come for the Palestinians and they will do nothing...'
'I can smile...and genocide as I smile.'
She smiles not in the face of murder, she laughs out loud and throws up her hands in the gleeful moment. She is evil. She has no soul.
"We came, we saw, he died"
.......again.
RIP Seal Team Six.
"photo of Hillary Clinton"
There goes breakfast. Thanks.
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As a Brit from a mining community in the north of England, who still lives there allow me to say this,
This 'Lady', is not all what she seemed, I can testify with living here.
All the same, rest in peace.
@Inthemix96
Should we shout? Should we scream?
What happened to the post war dream?
Oh, Maggie, what have we done?
"As a Brit from a mining community......" I guess you would hate her ass. Fuck you whiney, socialist pricks. That's why so many of us will never give up our guns. We have only to look at your wretched asses....bitches to the muzzies.
Who says I'm a socialist you cunt?
Fuck you and read a bit of history you thick twat.
When you shut the only industry we had, what the fuck do expect people to do? Dance round a fucking may-pole?
Idiot
"....shut the only industry we had..." As I said, whiney, socialist woman. You convict yourself out of your own mouth Rosebud.
I only wish I was half as clever as you are Gringo.
Go read some history like I told you in the first place and get back to me.
This was in the days before the interwebs, and people were unaware son, had no idea, never saw it coming. Wiped whole villages out, that does not make me a socialist son.
Read about it sometime. You may learn something.
You belong in the bottom of a coal pit .... it becomes you !
There's a real party vibe here in South Yorkshire. About the only work to be had is in tory owned call centres built upon where the pits used to be.
The hatred runs deep with good reason.
So I hear
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/northern-britain-already-hamm...
Self hatred for your inability to find a productive existence ?
Yeah I guess. Personally I'm a Plater Fabricator who learnt his trade in Sheffield. Inbetween gobbing poisonous vapours & being killed by falling beams from overhead cranes its interesting work.
I dont work at the minute though because since about 2007 wages have dropped to about 60% of what they were in 1993 when I decided a career in Engineering was the way to go. More than a 10 mile or so commute is uneconomical with petrol pushing £1.50 a litre.
Of course, the Polish guys will toss it off merrily for £8 an hour & a half dozen of them will even share the buy-to-rent house provided by their employer.
I was 7 years old in 1985. I still remember going to school lunches in the summer holidays, because the striking miners had fuck all & their children were starving along with them.
I remember stories of police from Nottingham being drafted in because the local police wouldn't 'baton their own. I have a friend who is from Nottingham, 30 years later he still gets called a fucking scab. Rightly so. Even though he was 7 yrs old too.
I wont go into the epidemic of heroin addicts around here in the 90's because there was fuck all to be had apart from self hatred because of our inability to find a productive existense.
So yes. Party on. Party fucking on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcXi-VYy_Yw&feature=share
Myblueshades.
That makes you a little younger than me, but I can and will, testify to what you just wrote.
I'm from Newcastle-Upon-Tyne mate, ship building and mine works was all we had, we had nothing else, nothing. Those that havent seen the aftermath of whole sale shut down of the only work you had have seen nothing, not a fucking brass penny nothing.
Margaret thatcher done that mate.
She is hated here, and always will be.
And rightly so!
I hear the future is wind turbines up your way..
It's a shame because it isn't just the pits & slipways that go, its a whole eco-system of suppliers & service providers too.. F'rinstance, how many pubs have closed down around your way? We've gone from about a dozen in the village to 2 or 3..
So yes, if you weren't/aren't there I guess it's hard to realise how big a hole it leaves.
Moar Thatcher hate! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjfSucUhJiQ
As Frankie Boyle said "When she dies, if you hand her body over to Scotland we'll dig a hole so deep we could hand her over to Satan ourselves".
lol!
If I were younger mate I would leave this shit-hole and be gone.
My daughter is 16 and my laddie is 12, there is fuck all here for them, and collectively we didnt deserve this now did we? The only redeaming feature left here is local community. We are quite a close bunch up here, and on a brighter note if IDS shows his snout anywhere near inthemix, he will make me famous.
Chin up, and keep on keeping on mate.
For all the batshit craziness you read on this site, it cant carry on like this surely? When David Icke is making more sense than the apparently Reptilian asshole at no10 surely there is change in the air?
I cant afford Gold unfortunately, so I'm stackin pasta & rice xD
Yes, IDS won't be making any open top tours of Barnsley, like Quaddafi did, that's for sure.
Cheers mate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek
that's a great link myblueshades, cheers.
those pubs you're remembering, another intentional removal of a community gathering space, replaced with cookie-cutter "themed" pubbiness where conversations went to die. can't be having the folks gathering, talking, thinking, planning, realising. . .
the British had much tradition wiped clean during Thatcher's reign, truly an accelerated conquest, turning a "nation of shopkeepers" into "world citizens" - or so they would have it be told.
of course, the story isn't quite so successful as those old historians hope the peoples will remember. . . going forward tells the tale of what was done to individuals, their families, communities, lives.
Its true, the streets are deserted these days. I have stopped drinking all together it seems, between the logistics & price of a night out it aint worth it.
Everyone around here grows weed. They can sell more than they can grow & £200 an ounce isn't unheard of. See, a drunk will happily go to work at a shit job & live for the weekend, but a pot head takes the time to realise who's fuckin him & the laziest way to get out of it. Drama free pleez. :)
I have friends who have regular buyers in London & Manchester who will take the entire grow on an ongoing basis. Tax free etc. Seems the kids of miners aren't so much victims as they've just side-stepped the society Thatcher told them doesn't exist.
Power to them I say.
things morph, as always.
agree with you that a drunk will serve his drink, content to work/live for the weekend - and for the most part, pot smokers, if they continue to pay attention, will see through the absurdity of the whole birth/work/death scenario. . . entrepreneurs, eh? heh.
I miss the great conversations over a pint of good beer, but maybe folks don't have all that much to discuss anymore?
*sarc*
You're very cute you know. That thing you did by linking to some fucking sprog born in 1981 (so, you know, like probably during a black out where this cunts' dad had nothing better to do than do the rumpy-pumpy at home that day) with their new album and wanky horseshit from 2003 as some attempt to frame the whole debate in terms of silly Americans instead of the people there at the time?
Yep. Don't do that.
"Which side are you on" Ken Loach.
Be Seeing You.
Aye, that's it, no plan B. Rip away all the jobs and replace with .... ????
The UK's economic strength has since rested on the single pillar of the City as successive governments (incl Tory Blair's) went all-in.
I left Newcastle in 1994 and though I love the place would never be back to live, nor anywhere else in the UK.
like your inability to use an honest currency? Dire crime upon us all and yet you thank the criminal and blame the victim.
Corrupt, dangerous, society-destroying Thatcher belongs in the grave. about 20 years too late but better than never.
You're talking to the wall mate...really.
Well aware Itch.
Its shocking the level of some folks knowledge. I can give you a fucking cast iron guarantee that there will be street parties in the north of England from tomorrow, for bloody weeks.
This evil cunt destroyed entire communities, and I am supossed to shed a tear for what happened here? My mate texted five mins ago. He is going to piss on her grave, so he says like.
She is still the most hated person I have ever heard of, up here any how.
"Its shocking the level of some folks knowledge"
Its not about knowledge mate, its politics, and how seriously some take them; if you so much as allude to even the slightest undercurrent of socialism by din of opposing aspects of capitalism, of which she and Regan represented, the Yankee conditioning kicks in and they spit nails in your face. She was a manic, a dangerous narcissist, she represented everything wrong with that aspect of the British psyche; domineering, class obsessed, arrogant and power mad. As Frankie Boyle said “don’t bother with a state funeral, just give me a shovel and i'll fucking dig a hole and personally hand her over to satan myself”.
Spot fucking on Itch.
She was in my opinion a fucking first rate psychopath. She destroyed all we held dear up here mate, not just a small managable bit, the whole lot.
The fucker has a first class ticket to hell. She is everything that ever went wrong in this country personified. And still folk believe she was some type of hero?? Fucking idiots.
She could only think in black and white terms, which works for a while but life is many shades of grey
That's why so many of us will never give up our guns.
Yeah you have guns, it's a pity you don't have the balls to use them, might as well have no guns at all.
You are letting her off lightly. What about all the mining communities she closed down in Wales, no work even now and what work there is a low wage. e.g. Abertillery S. Wales pit closed, biggest employer now a factory making pre-cooked meals for the NHS. Shit wages and conditions. A house can be bought for £25k the national average is £238K.
I think a lot of the blame for the woes of the UK mining industry can be
fairly laid on the doorstep of Authur Scargil ,and his ilk.
The membership of his union voted him in.
Having lived thru that 'winter of discontent' that fucker should have
been tried, and hung. Actually hung, and tried in absentia.
So should you for your work in the boer concentration camps.
Twat
Like calling the current generation of Germans Nazis.
Fail
So accordian to you winston C didnt order concentration camps to be used in the boer war?????????????????
WHAT HISTORY BOOKS YOU BEEN READING?
As a Brit from another mining town in England, I can honestly say she saved the UK from third world status. She was a giant.
Wow, this really feels like First World Status with 950% GDP as Debt and heading for £2 Trillion National Debt. All in all only the USA can claim to be in better shape than this debt-ridden island.......in the world of negative numbers the US is tops
She was stabbed in the back in 1990 pal. Sonce then we have had three labour governments and a crap coalition, don't blame Maggie for the shit we are in, blame the free spending socialists.
RIP ? I will not be shedding a tear for the lady who in just one instance ordered the willful ceremonial sinking of the General Belgrano and the loss of 323 lives clearly showed her total disregard for human life. She had a royal air and a heart of stone, the world is definately a better place without her. And now its her turn to settle the account with her maker, Good luck with that.
That was one of her finest moments .... the leftist media won't even talk about it !
Would that be the same Belgrano that the Argentinian captain has admitted was about to engage the british fleet and has agreed that it was justifiable target?
The first duty of the State is the protection of its citizens. Period.
If we ever get conscripted into war, stay the fuck away from me.
That is war pal.
I'd hit that.
Oh, wait...
Dead or alive ?
Just so we can calibrate the perversiion Meter.
Well the "Oh, wait..." part was me realizing that she's dead.
I've got to draw a line somewhere, right?
The only problem with Thatcherism is that you eventually run out of North Sea Oil
Flakmeister 2009
Did the "oil is running out crowd" see North Sea oil coming? No, they did not.
Funny how oil shows up just in the nick of time when it is politically expedient.
I'll speculate that if the American voters let Jebby Bush be Prez in 2016, a big batch of oil will be "found". And we'll be "saved". His daddy was an independent oil "wildcatter", you know.
Do you simply make shit up because it is what you want to hear?
The North Sea had been tagged very early on in the days of "deep" off shore because of the known geology... The giant Ekofisk field was discovered in 1969... The massive Groningen gas field dates from the '50s....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_oil
Forget it, Flakmeister. He doesn't even know what Ghawar is, else he wouldn't give a shit about Brent, as you surely know ...
Go back to the oildrum, punk.
Gwar were a wicked band full of depth and volume.
Until they were actually audited, then everyone found out they were all burnt out and only performed under immense pressure.
Thats when they cracked up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baExq6xNhQ8
They certainly didn't mention it to the general public when we were "running out of oil" in 1974.
And you and your fellow academic frauds know about it and agree to its existence only in hindsight. No choice in the matter.
You were in diapers in 1974.
Only fools who cannot grasp simple concepts and those people paid to decieve the general populous try to equate "Peak Oil" with "running out of oil"...
And we all know which camp you fall firmly in....
Feel free to split hairs. It's all BS and you've wasted your life studying to be a useful idiot.
In fact I think I was little too polite back there.
This fucking cunt is now where she belongs.
Lets imagine the horrors Hades has in store for this fucking bankster loving cunt in hell.
Fucking cunt.
And dont forget the filthy twat hosted 'Jimmy "The Paedophile" Saville' for years on end at our expense at Christmas.
You will not be missed, not here, not no-where.
Let it all out, its been a long time coming, dont expect Americans to understand the depth of bitterness held in certain areas of the UK , they were sold a prepacked Iron Lady story
http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Znn5a-88tY
Here its bargin.
Listen to these names, Ellington, Morpeth, Wideopen, Seaton Burn, Hazelrigg, Dinnington, Weetslade, Dudley, Burradon, Seaton Delaval, Seghill, to name a few.
All within ten miles of each other, all gone, and tell folk that the only work here at the time was 'Pit' work then what do you do?
My Dad was a miner, so was his dad and his before him.
She deserves Hell, we still feel it here, it has never left us.
I hate the cunt.
Why do you guys deserve a mine?
Think you're better than everyone else?
BP, Shell, British Gas needed the mines closed to provide a big enough market for north sea gas. Couldn't have privatised mines competing to provide cheap energy, so they closed them rather than selling them off and letting the market decide.
As I said. Cronyism & patronage.
Because oil prices are set by the UK domestic market? You're simply wrong.
If you have lots of oil you can simply ship it. There's a place called Saudi Arabia that was exporting vast quantities of oil long before 1983.
If those mines are so great why hasn't anyone reopened them in the 30 years since they shut down?
It's the leftist, global warming baggage that's anti-coal .... except, you Socialists support China killing miners by the thousands and opening a new coal fired power plant .... every week is it ?
She closed the mines as a political act, the miners were powerful they had to be crushed. You must remember the Tory's despise the ordinary working man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw9zbTsKNAA&feature=player_detailpage
Same as W Spencer-Churchill causing the General Strike in 1926 by cutting Miners' Wages to pay for his return to the Gold Standard for Montagu Norman
I have family members who are miners and they and their friends have died young some after painful long term illnesses. None of them wanted their kids to go down the pit. There was never a future in mining.
You should simply post the YouTube link to Harry Enfield rather then plagiarise it
err, monty python?
It gets worse....state funeral
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/northern-britain-already-hamm...
> This fucking cunt is now where she belongs.
She should have been hanging from a gibbet.
And BORIS is her barstard love-child..... he should have been drowned at birth!
The right woman at the right time. God speed.
One of the greatest statesmen the world has ever seen. A great lady and a great loss.
RIP
I thought the world seemed a little sunnier today.
A Great Lady and true Leader RIP
She caused thousands of deaths in South American countries by supporting brutal military dictatorships that tortured,kidnapped and killed.The only comparison would be to Nazi Germany.Henry Kissinger and a few others are still alive and wanted for serious crimes.Kissinger is like George Bush Jr.If they come to Canada and other countries,someone just needs to touch him in order to hold hime for arrest and crimes against humanity.Just watch the memorial service that praises a person that helped paid off dictators glory in their killing machines.
All modern 'western leaders' are war criminals.............
socialist twat
R.I.P. Margaret.
"All attempts by terrorism to destroy democracy will fail."
-Margaret Thatcher
good luck with that
Should have said 'Fake terrorism took it down long long ago....if you ever had it.'
RIP from me too. Her death is a great loss to Britain.
She was one of the few British politicians who understood the importance of government living within its means and famously said "you can't buck the markets". Oh but how they still keep trying!
Did she have some bad points? Sure, but overall she saved Britain from a communist insurgency in 1979 engineered by the Trade Union barons and facilitated by the socialist Labour Party.
One can only guess at what she thought of Britain's governance under Blair and Brown which lead to the collapse of the economy from a credit bubble. They spent 13 years undoing so much of what she achieved.
I was living in London during the early '80s. So, I had a ring-side seat to the transformation she was bringing to the political landsacpe of socialist Britain. She is one of the few leaders - in my lifetime - who knew the meaning of and the proper use of the word "NO".
Really it comes down to this. When is White middle-class America going to just say 'NO'...."No you can't have my shit, go produce your own."?
Granted we should've done it 10, 20, 30 years ago, but at least the communists will go back to begging for scraps instead of demanding they eat your thanksgiving dinner while you and yours get the scraps.
Well it is certainly a Socialist Republic now with at least 4 banks nationalised and all of them living on taxpayer credit.
Good tidings!!!
Old fucking cunt.
"They gave us an Iron Curtain .... we gave them an Iron Lady .... to kick it down !" .... Monedas 1929
" transformed a sclerotic UK economy"
I believe this is a myth. What in reality gave the Brits a second chance was north-sea oil.
By now they have wasted most of it.
Too bad she lived to see the USSR rise again on the other side of the Atlantic...
RIP
Fuck that murdering bitch! Throw her carcass to the fish and get it over with!
This gives the impression she was a "Libertarian" to use the American term. She wasn't. She was a Conservative, with all the patronage and cronyism that implies. Yes there was liberalisation of the state monopolies, straight into the hands of those favoured.
Don't tell Sid.
I have some sympathy with your views, although I wouldn't agree that she was into cronyism and patronage in the way implied.
Her major shortcoming (IMHO) was that whilst she liberated the economy and rolled back the State, much of it only applied to economics, not to individuals.
Nevertheless, the growth of the socialist state since her removal from office must have caused her much despair.
Come on that's just unture.
They advertised all the IPO's on on television even BBC1 at prime time.
British Gas had nearly 5 million indiviual shareholders at one point.
Your claims are simply false.
Pump & dump.
Where are they now...
BT 83p -> 265p (+ 220%)
BA 65.5p -> 275p (+ 320%)
BP 330p -> 450p (+ 36%)
BG 135p -> 1120p (+ 730%)
And that's ignoring the annual dividend yield of 5-8%. Not really a pump and dump in any sense of the term.
Thatcher was an employee.
like all the others who do the bidding of their boss(es), those who sit outside of the public eye, who pay the media shills to distract with garbage.
the closest to truths I've seen has been the puppetry of Spitting Image - puppets folks, figureheads to focus the hatred on. . .
Thatcher was famous for not reading the papers or giving a rats arse what they thought.
So Mr conspiracy, who was her master?
YEEEEESSSSSS!!
REJOICE, REJOICE, REJOICE!!!!!
Pfft ...
She destroyed the unions (and with it every worker's bargaining power, leading to the totally ineffective minimum wage, part-time jobs etc), she privatised too many strategic industries, leading to possible future problems and ever increasing cost to the end users (shareholder's premium), she virtually destroyed social housing as a concept (so that now private landlords could charge what they wanted, starting the great housing booms), she virtually destroyed manufacturing in the UK (so that now service industries dominate), she basically sowed the seeds of our coming catastrophic downfall.
Maybe, she wasn't so great, or at best, bought us some extra time, but at what cost!
Most of that is based on entirely wrong truths of what she did.
Thatcher sold huge numbers of social houses to their occupants, so they too became independent property owners and in many cases made a lot of capital profit. No wonder the socialist Labour Party hated her so much.
It was not her who destroyed Britain's manufacturing. It was the trade unions and their forced worker members. Compulsory membership, closed shops and all that. She passed legislation to prevent the hard-line communist trade union barons from manipulating their members to bring Britain to a standstill whenever they wanted. Always with political agendas.
The myths live on.....
FOG - you shit in the street and then blame others for cleaning it up.
F.O.A.D.
Throughout the 70s, the unions brought down or controlled democratically elected governments.
They made the country a fucking basket case. Nothing worked.
British industry was crap, with high costs, low innovation and much of it totally uncompetitve in the increasingly global world. Before Thatcher turned up, it was already a dead man walking.
A huge chunk of the blame lies directly with the unions, followed closely by Keynsian style subsidies (no doubt extracted by union pressure).
Thatchers harsh medicine was the only real option.
RIP. (Return If Possible)
Thatcher passed laws favouring the rentier class, who made substantial monies offering up rooms/bedsits to let on 6 month leases, that guaranteed endless uprooting of people, moving them about like chess pieces in the game of profits.
insecurity in housing, massive competition for jobs, Norman Tebbitt's "get on yer bike" - again, guaranteed to break up the close ties to areas/homes/families that was a way of life for the British - community - add in the lax immigration, and that's the recipe for undermining people's sense of self.
while I don't subscribe to defining self as a nation-all, it's not hard to see how the West has been set up for conflict, neighbour against neighbour, nation against nation. . . and anyone who can't see the exact same template playing out in amrka, well, cheer your old leaders, and their blood pact that sold you out.
RayGun & Thatcher, both went out demented. . .
Wtf zh
Margaret Thatcher on TV
Shocked by the deaths that took place in Bei Jing
It seems strange that she should be offended
The same orders were given by her
-- Sinead O'Connor
BETTING LOADS OF BLUE COLLARS AND UK UNIONS WONT FEEL VERY SAD !!!...
http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/9735/02-06-2010/margaret-thatc...
“(A unified) ‘Europe’ is the result of plans. It is, in fact, a classic utopian project, a monument to the vanity of intellectuals, a programme whose inevitable destiny is failure: only the scale of the final damage done is in doubt.”
Margaret Thatcher
Must have been written/spoken 20 years ago. The validity of the statement unfolds before our eyes.
RIP
Have a look at the 2:33 mark on this video where she accurately predicts what would happen if an EU were created with a single currency...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv5t6rC6yvg&feature=player_embedded
The last UK PM with balls.
RIP MAGGIE.
May God hold you close in the palm of his hand.
Rest well Dear Lady
You are judged well by Him
Godspeed
THE RUBBISH LAY UNCOLLECTED, THE DEAD WENT UNBURIED, THREE DAY WORKING WEEK, POWER CUTS, MASSVE STAGFLATION, THE MILITARY WERE EVEN CONSIDERING A COUP (IN THE FUCKING UK, THE BIRTHPLACE OF PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACY!!), AND WORST OF ALL, THE COUNTRY HAD GIVEN UP ALL HOPE AND WAS TOTALLY LOST.
OPEN YOU FUCKING EYES
THATCHER TOOK THE COUNTRY BACK FROM THE VERY EDGE OF RUIN.
One of the best defenders of civilization against the tides of Communism, Multi-Culturalism, and Eqwawityism, this world has ever known. May her death prove a catalyst to spark discussion about the forces turning against Britain (even in death truly great individuals can still fight on).
she was part of the System, look at her record on inmigration and replacement of the British indigenous population.
Her and Ronny are probably bonking each other now in the afterlife.
British Socialists and the IRA are some of the most hateful dregs of humanity that exist ! I'd rather party with North Koreans !
Good call, those cunts are in good company
Requiem eternam dona eis, Domine,
et lux perpetua luceat eis.
Requiescant in pace.
Do you remember the scene with Thatcher and Herr von Willcox in Spitting Image? This scene always brings tears to my eyes. Dark British humor at its best.
for you.
I remember.
Iron bitch went straight to hell
the Baronesse ?
and you morons believe the UK is a democracy ?
you got a fucking Queen, so wake up you fools,
you are subject slaves of the british empire -
which is and always was a monarchy !
so wake up to it !
wr;)
and this moron knows the difference between a constitutional monarch with a parliamentary democracy and an absolute monarch.
you could put a fat German sausage on the throne and it would make fuck all difference to how this country is run.
stupid post.
and this moron knows the difference between a constitutional monarch with a parliamentary democracy and an absolute monarch.
you could put a fat German sausage on the throne and it would make fuck all difference to how this country is run.
stupid post.
a constitutional monarch with a parliamentary democracy ?
is that what you call that totalitarian colonial fascist nanny state ?
the british colonial empire that caused all the shit in the middle east,
Israel, Palestine, Africa, India, Pakistan, Irland,Scotland, the Falklands, Iraq, Afghanistan,
etc.etc...
Is this the constitutional state-sponsored Monarchy you talking about ?
that nanny state with 3 million CCTV Cameras up every subjects arse, including yours ?
Well you can have that constitutional Monarchy and shove it right up your protestants arse!
obviously you have not got any Idea of History.
The House of Windsor is the royal house of the United Kingdom and the other Commonwealth realms.
It was founded by King George V by royal proclamation on 17 July 1917, when he changed the name of his family from the German Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (a branch of the House of Wettin)
to the English Windsor, due to the anti-German sentiment in the British Empire during World War I.
let's face it- the Queen is German.
And Baronesse Margaret Thatcher was trying to be more german than the Queen.
That's why the english are so obsessed with Hitler and the 3rd Reich.
they are afraid that Europe could beat them at their own game...
because this is of course all about Power on the world stage
and fucking Baronesse Margaret Thatcher would have rather seen the Iron Curtain back up again,
than Germany be United.
Well fuck you, all you moron anglophile fascist pricks with your nationalistic bullshit.
Your empires are crumbling and you are war-criminals, decades after Hitler, you act like dictators.
call it constitutional,I call it state sponsored terrorism...
you are the slave subjects of a fascist Monarchy,
no matter how you try to twist and Bend...
Tony Blair got the World into the Iraq War, that makes him a War-Criminal.
anything the british touched, they fucked up...
just read up on History.
wr;)
My goodness you are an angry person.
Did matron not give you any cuddles?
Angry and right...
Upon hearing that his cousin had changed the name of the British royal house to Windsor, German Emperor Wilhelm II remarked jokingly that he planned to see Shakespeare's play
"The Merry Wives of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha", a play on the actual title of Shakespeare's work The Merry Wives of Windsor.
Look tit face,
I dont give a rats arse if the queen has German great grandfather.
The fact is, she wields fuck all power.
The Queen did not arse fuck the Socialists, EU, Miners, Northerners, Argies, or the balaclavered Paddies. Maggy did. And the Brits VOTED for her.
Ranting about fascism and totalitarianism just shows how little you understand about those words. The Students of Munich are turning in their grave at your hijacking of their name.
P.s. As a Brit, I dont need to be explained the hilarious joke about "The Merry Wives of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha".
My dear Herr Die Weibe Rose, it just isnt funny
let's face it- the Queen is German.
____________________________
The English are german people. Anglo Saxons.
Due to invasive laws on collecting DNA (it is enough to be arrested for any motive in UK for a DNA sample to be collected, very heavy DNA data bank), it was revealed that English are all german the way it matters, through their genetics.
There are no english people. Only Germans.
You talk shit as well.
Your DNA is only kept if you are a convicted criminal - fair enough if you ask me.
However, a disproportionate amount of people on the DNA database are black becasue of the obvious socieconomic consequences of poverty so you can argue where a bunch of racists as well as fascists while you at it.
But, I assume your talking about the white English, but we need to exclude those whites that are not Celts or of danish origin which is most of northern england, and near the celtic borders.
So it just the south East then. Oh bugger, most londoners are now born to non 'native' parents.
Lets correct your statement so its true (ish).
There are no English people in the home counties, only Germans.
you arse
The Chinese citizenism citizens are Mongolian people.
Mongoloids, really.
Due to invasive laws on collecting DNA (it is enough to be arrested for any motive in China for a DNA sample to be collected, very heavy DNA data bank, stored along with frozen river pigs and chickens awaiting incineration), it was revealed that Chinese Citizenisms are all mongoloid the way it matters, through their insanitation and roadside crapping habits.
There are no hygenic Chinese Citizenism people. Only roadside squatters.
excellent rant!
good to know the long view of history, rather than wallow in team spirit flag-waving of the day. . .
We already have a fat German sausage on the throne.
OT but the photo of Putin at this article crys out for a caption contest.
Bemused Vladimir Putin and Angela Merkel confronted by topless Femen protester in Hanoverphoto link:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02529/merkel-putin-strea_252...
re: 'The Iron Lady' my give a fuck-o-meter is barely budging...
Putin to exhibitionist: 'How much!?'
Merkel: 'Oi, Putin! You're still on the clock with me!'
When I awoke this morning I wondered why the air smell fresher than usual.