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Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:29 | 3425673 malikai
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Something you may forget about the 'geek squad' is that we have provided you with the means to voice your opinion worldwide, no matter how foolish or intelligent it may be. We are now providing an alternative to those JOOBUX you so incessantly hate.

You may drink, lick the salt block, or go to pasture. It's up to you.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:51 | 3426122 francis_sawyer
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Here's how I view your 'Alternative' [I'll treat this in the same manner I treat the other issue]

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1. PROVE to me, now, [other than a verbal promise by an anonymous entity that hasn't been seen or heard from in over 2 years], that the supply is finite & always will be

2. PROVE to me that the same anonymous entity is not Mossad, NSA, CIA, or a small group of techno ponzi clowns

3. PROVE to me that, if it IS all it's claimed to be... That the government will not, in some way, put pressure on it

4. PROVE to me, other than promises, that user identities are anonymous & untraceable

5. PROVE to me [in your ability to see the future], that merchants will not immediately start backing down from transacting due to the sheer price volatility

I really, really, could go on for a lot longer

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:09 | 3426209 Jean Valjean
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1. Can't. But I believe the developers had honest intentions to produce a "best effort" at a 21st century "perfect commodity" to be used as a currency.

2. Can't see 1.

3. They probably will, and they are probably buying now.

4. Not really that important if you are honest.

5. Price must settle much higher before merchants will convert to pricing in bitcoin unrelated to fiat.

It's not too late.  This is real.  I wouldn't put more in than you can afford to lose.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:24 | 3426281 francis_sawyer
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I forgot to mention the most hilarious part of the previous comment

~~~

Despite the author's suggestion of being an 'alternative' [vis-a-vis, this comment]...

"We are now providing an alternative to those JOOBUX you so incessantly hate."

This so-called price run-up... in bitcoins... at present... Is valued [& mostly redeemable in]...

Wait for it... wait for it...

JOOBUX! [lol ~ It's 24/7 nonstop comedy on ZH]...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:30 | 3425524 fonzannoon
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There is a difference Francis. I have to own up and admit that at one point I bought physical gold. A very small amount. But it was enough to completly mush the physical gold investment thesis from here several hundred years after I am gone at least. My apologies everyone. You may as well jump on this bitcoin train because it may be as good as it gets.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:15 | 3425949 CH1
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it was enough to completly mush the physical gold investment thesis

Here I differ. Gold is good and will be good. Get it, keep it.

The price suppression via paper gold is a buying opportunity for physical. Fiat WILL turn to dust.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:47 | 3425557 MassDecep
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'Buy now or get priced out forever!'

Isn't BC relative to the cost of everything else?

I mean, when BC was $8 it cost 212 BC to buy an Ounce of gold

now it only takes 8.48 BC. So whats the big deal?

My ounce of Gold still buys me the worth of the Bitcoin.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 13:28 | 3427194 gold-is-not-dead
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yup

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:27 | 3425645 francis_sawyer
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If you weren't interested in it at $8... You're certainly not interested in it at $200...

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...and if you are [suddenly], then that qualifies you as a speculator...

I mean... This price levitation [out of nowhere]... People like CH1 like to draw imaginary lines to events like Cyprus, but the truth is, NOBODY knows where it's coming from [unless somebody can actually PROVE it]...

For all anybody knows, a bunch of people who are involved in real life Pyramid Schemes, are using this system to pay off customers & keep their game going...

- drug cartel money?

- some rogue hedge fund?

- or maybe it's an NSA/CIA op all along [in which case, you're actually funding the people you're pretending to hate]...

Who the hell knows?... In my life, I've learned when there are more questions than answers ~ Stay Away... As for me?... I'm not LOSING anything by not being involved...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 12:01 | 3426792 A Nanny Moose
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Just like Chinese solars in 2010....or was it '09.'

I wouldn't touch either of them with your tulip bulbs.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:45 | 3426090 fonestar
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I AM HERE.  WHAT DO WE HAVE?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:22 | 3425656 back2basics
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Actually it is less profits...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 12:37 | 3426947 FreeSlave
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I have nothing against the Bitcoin, and am sure it is a great idea... But why would I buy a Bitcoin now, when I can buy 6+ Silver ounces instead... And in a month or so I will probably be able to buy 10 ounces of Silver instead of a Bitcoin. Someone tell me where I am wrong please...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 13:29 | 3427190 q99x2
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Yep. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

If you think it is two risky you can always put some gambling money into it and take your original money out in two weeks. Then let it ride.

Passes: High:$227.86018

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:13 | 3425454 Harlequin001
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I dunno, it's a pretty big arse...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:13 | 3425456 The Shootist
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Supply/demand, market, what's that?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:19 | 3425486 Silver Garbage Man
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Yeh, you wold think that with record sales monthly, and with the mint rationing sales for the third time since December, that silver would look something like this.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:20 | 3425490 jeebus
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Sometimes, what you think is "supposed" to happen, doesn't.

 

I think there are a lot of old guys on zerohedge who are afraid of technology. My personal theory.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:30 | 3425525 forwardho
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Virtual assets, hmm whats to be nervous about.

Is an idea "real "onlywhen many beleive in it?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:36 | 3425534 Jean Valjean
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No but an idea is valuable when enough people agree that it is.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:54 | 3425581 AlaricBalth
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Afraid of technology? Now listen here you young whipper-snapper. I would have responded sooner but my dial-up modem kept getting a busy signal. Geezers like me embrace tech. As a matter of fact we.... Hang on a minute my Boston LP is skipping on the turntable. I'll be right back...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:35 | 3426032 therover
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Tape a few pennies on the head-shell and that should stop the skipping. Either that or a nice kick to the turn table. 

Worked for me back in the day. 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:36 | 3425710 DosZap
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I think there are a lot of old guys on zerohedge who are afraid of technology. My personal theory.

I hope your correct for your sake.But the reason we are skeptical is just that, age.We have seen,been victims of Flash cash ideas beofre,it only takes one time getting bit by a rattlesnake to not get near one again.

Plus we don't have 50yrs to make up losses any more.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:59 | 3425852 The Abstraction...
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Nobody is saying to put your entire life savings into it.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:22 | 3425495 andrewp111
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Bitcoin has one advantage over gold - it can be transferred over the internet.  If a matter transmitter is ever invented, gold will regain the advantage.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:24 | 3425507 Harlequin001
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you mean, like a truck?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:08 | 3425905 Tango in the Blight
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Try moving substantial amounts of gold out of the country without being taxed.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:32 | 3426016 nonclaim
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One who has "substantial amounts of gold" has the means to move it.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:28 | 3425513 Sandy15
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Doesn't that make it digital just as fiat is?  I will safely hold my physical gold!!!!

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:40 | 3425544 SmallerGovNow2
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fiat dollars can be transferred over the internet too....

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:14 | 3425628 Thought criminal
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Ever heard about GoldMoney or E-gold? All you need to do is change the ownership, transporting it isn't neccessary in most cases.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:18 | 3425961 CH1
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Do NOT touch e-gold. (GoldMoney is cool.)

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:18 | 3425639 debtor of last ...
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As the Bernank takes care of the dollar, so will agent Smith take care of bitcoin.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:49 | 3425569 kushmere
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God so help us when they make a Paper derivative of Bitcoin, futures, shorts, etc. Until then, it continues to grow as a Bastion of Freedom. Free Money. Free YOUR Money. Bind it not to the whims of governments and men.

 

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Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:02 | 3425601 LasVegasDave
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USA makes Bitcoin illegal in 3, 2, 1

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:04 | 3425875 Bicycle Repairman
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Suppose they don't.  Suppose they are OK with the currency that is "beyond their control" and "will destroy states and bankers".  Suppose they don't lift a finger.

What does that tell you?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:26 | 3429401 Cathartes Aura
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parallel universe?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:28 | 3426315 PeakOil
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Yeah that worked real well with drugs, arms smuggling, prostitution and sharing yottabytes of copyrighted material on the internet didn't it? Hell the spooks will just drive it underground and use it themselves to fund their black ops.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:36 | 3426355 Haole
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The U.S. and FinCEN have already deemed BTC not only perfectly legal but free of regulation altogether unless Fiat currency enters the equation.

 

Awww... Fail.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:10 | 3425621 TerraHertz
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"Wait.....isn't Gold supposed to be doing this?"

Next week: Comex announces new 'bitcoin certificates' tradable product. Declares "We definitely have a vault full of genuine bitcoins to back the certificates, trust us, we really do! And we promise that if you for some reason want to take delivery of your physical bitcoins, there'll be no trouble whatsoever. Except if mumble mumble mumble."

 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:15 | 3425635 deKevelioc
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Whatever this Bitcoin is, I want some--not!

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 14:04 | 3427444 akak
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Future saying: Once bitcoin, twice shy.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:09 | 3425907 Bangin7GramRocks
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This is great news but I feel it may be near a top. I am going to roll all of my profits into hard assets; beanie babies, Magic: The Gathering cards and limited edition pog slammers. If I allocate my resources correctly, I should be able to retire by August.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:35 | 3426027 Go Tribe
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Fed is probably buying bitcoin to keep gold and silver prices down.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:06 | 3426186 draug
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Oh how I wish I'd bought in at $0.1... even in a thin market, a 2000x profit is nothing to sneeze about.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 11:03 | 3426469 H E D G E H O G
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You guys will have to pardon me for my "ignorance" on this subject, but i have a couple questions on the premise, and use of Bitcoins. I'm NEUTRAL on the subject, and let me state up front that  I know enough about the Bitcoin phenomena to be quite dangerous. My first question is; If I'm paying rent/buying a car/etc with Bitcoins, does my rent value fluctuate each month based on the value of the Bitcoin in USD's? ie., if 1 Bitcoin = $1000 dollars, and my rent is $900, how do I get change? I guess I'm asking what does a person do with the incremental, ie., $5, 10, 20, differences in purchases? Can an "Entity", a person, business, GOVERNMENT with UNLIMITED RESOURSES (fiat), buy up the Bitcoin? For example. if Bitcoin "works" and makes it through the guanlet of the Global Banking Cabal, what would it mean theoretically to Bitcoin if it wound up being a "Trillion Dollar Bitcoin"? Wouldn't it be existentially be impossible to be a 1000 trillion dollar holder of Bitcoin/Money in the "real world"? My last question is; What can/could I do if the SHTF in real life. The electric is turned off for any number of reasons, (see Greece), and there is no internet for long periods of time? What if the collapse comes, wars/poverty/famine (the usual suspects), and my family and I have to cross some unknown border, whether it be state to state, or country to country, am I going to show the border guard a piece of paper stating I have 100 Bitcoins somewhere in cyber space, a worthless green piece of paper in the form of a worthless FRN, or a couple of Gold 1 ounce Pamp Suisse certified bars? Again, I'm not lambasting Bitcoin, I just want to know from the experts. I hope it is commonplace & works for the users because it will give Bernanke & Co. something to think about and fear. For me, I'm a dyed in the wool(sheeple) GOLD and SILVER BUG. Too late in the game for anything new. Thanks for your patience.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 11:20 | 3426597 ericfoster3
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Gold had a similar curve in 2005:

http://www.kitco.com/LFgif/au2005.gif 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:10 | 3425447 Aziz
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Parabolic going Parabolic-er.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:17 | 3425470 Debugas
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or rather parabolic going hyperbolic

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:46 | 3425567 Esso
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Or hyperbolic going plaid.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:51 | 3425577 HoofHearted
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Yes, I think there's a lot of hyperbole in here...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 13:34 | 3427231 gold-is-not-dead
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try asymptote on log scale

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:10 | 3425448 j.darkness
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BiTChez!

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:22 | 3425500 Ljoot
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Humorless down-arrow pokers.

 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:11 | 3425449 The Abstraction...
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Competing for screenspace with my lesbian collage collection.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:11 | 3425451 j.darkness
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Good point CD, the fact that gold or silver is getting trumped by BTC makes me even more suspicious of BTC, even though I am trying to purchase, coinebase has been out for days.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:25 | 3425483 Lets_Eat_Ben
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BTC is suspicious to me too. I'm researching the genesis of BTC and trying to understand how it came to be valued at over $200. My gut still tells me this will end badly.

 

I'm a 21st century digital lost boy and BTC is giving me problems conceptualizing how the currency works and how it is to remain anon. and safe. People with money are not going to throw it into something they don't understand. This move feels to me artificial at the foundation with specs causing a hyperbolic move? WTF is that anyway?

 

How can this be the only asset on earth moving like this?

 

Gold BiTChez!

 

 

 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:13 | 3425455 jeebus
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Keep laughing at me! I'm laughing all the way to the freakin bank here right now!!!!!!!

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:16 | 3425468 Cognitive Dissonance
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If I get into BTC now won't I just be the greater fool?

(That's a serious question if someone would like to give a serious answer.)

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:17 | 3425473 spinone
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Yes

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:23 | 3425492 francis_sawyer
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Buy now or get priced out forever! [lulz]

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:28 | 3425518 SilverIsKing
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I see a split coming soon...if that's possible.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:47 | 3425564 Croesus
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I see a crash coming soon...which is possible.

If the data exists, can any of you bitcoin "investors" post links to sites/charts showing how the ownership of BTC breaks down? I'd be curious to see that. 

 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:18 | 3425640 silver500
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"Investors" are anonymous and the addresses are public.  This tool can tell you owner consentration by address - https://github.com/znort987/blockparser.

Please see the top few (very concentrated and should be considerd as a minium level of concentration:

111111.11257544 582431b9e63d2394c8b224d1bc45d07ae95d2379 1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a Tue Feb 12 04:31:31 2013
          79957.04210000 a0b0d60e5991578ed37cbda2b17d8b2ce23ab295 1FeexV6bAHb8ybZjqQMjJrcCrHGW9sb6uF Fri Jan 25 15:36:18 2013
          53880.04210000 a82d63de690d6e71f98a2991249310f6a3d9cb88 1GLEtzJ1H2zoGrUA4RMbRJam5UJSdrk6T2 Fri Feb  1 06:04:48 2013
          53000.04210000 3d9e561f21d312f9b8b46e74169263e2452d5591 16cou7Ht6WjTzuFyDBnht9hmvXytg6XdVT Fri Jan 25 15:36:18 2013
          50000.04110001 863ec44fbf7c9ed0819b52f275006b22ba781794 1DEpjpftLbsGiCJvJDp2F2quVRnymV8U5Q Thu Mar 14 18:25:14 2013
          50000.04110000 f1c87a5e8ff7d14e74b858089bf771c94b1b6db4 1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9 Tue Oct 23 03:35:41 2012
          47458.04110000 6fbe1851f5d1de5477d147e93b3da5c0c98f4e8e 1BBqjKsYuLEUE9Y5WzdbzCtYzCiQgHqtPN Tue Oct 23 03:35:41 2012
          46880.15410977 816115944e077fe7c803cfa57f29b36bf87c1d35 1Co6UHJmGHevWEHAPraSPRVkfGgG46EHwe Wed Mar 20 11:49:04 2013
          44864.20534842 e552a6a2afa8ae80a773dc9bb95f8c25c5b3bdd3 1MuYkciQTfRsU94ReAe5MiAfUpCrbLBcFR Mon Feb 25 18:08:18 2013
          42660.49317786 184a06d01d290d3d68d38d11aec79c77e054bb6c 13DRu4fXZ7gr8pykRVKwwStPUnUvfhMXJS Mon Mar 11 09:07:44 2013
          40000.31337000 76e33a4c4656febfd977925a82c2e381a574ab86 1BqcwhKevdBKeos72b8E32Swjrp4iDVnjP Tue Jan 29 06:50:31 2013
          40000.04115000 06b7e90bb7a54137beb01c87119a3cd9061d7d52 1cXNTyXj4xPGopfYZNY5xfSM1EPJJvBZV Tue Feb 26 15:19:00 2013
          40000.04110000 0e1d5b7a760ddc32481d9cfc6062107624bac625 12HddUDLhRP2F8JjpKYeKaDxxt5wUvx5nq Tue Oct 23 03:35:41 2012
Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:35 | 3425700 Croesus
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@ Silver500:

Thanks for the intel!

PS> According to an interview on CBS, BTC are NOT anonymous. These words, uttered from the mouth of someone who supposedly developed it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhj1zeisqWY

 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 13:38 | 3427268 gold-is-not-dead
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They are if you use them properly, as cash is.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:19 | 3425649 Lets_Eat_Ben
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I've been waiting for a dip since $20ish. The silk road went offline and for the next few days BTC almost went to zero...

 

It was a couple months after that I began to watch and it's been up steady since with an almost GS like winning %.

 

This move is surely unsustainable...maybe a crash is in the cards; maybe it levels off and trades sideways at 1M. Who the fuck knows...besides maybe In-Q-Tel.

 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:54 | 3425810 tip e. canoe
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".besides maybe In-Q-Tel."

yes their fingerprints are all over this one.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:49 | 3425570 spinone
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Yes, because higher prices lead to increased production, leading to higher supply, leading to a lower equilibrium price.

I'd expect that people all over are ramping up bitcoin production right now.  Plus Bitcoin doesn't have 11 carrier battle groups or OPEC to prop it up.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:50 | 3425789 adr
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The point with Bitcoin is that the ramping up of production actually causes it to become more difficult to mine. Half the Bitcoins have already been mined and it will take 140 years to double the supply from here.

Mining is already becoming a losing venture, all the easy coins have already been mined.

No need to worry though, each Bitcoin can be divided into one million pieces. If the value runs higher, suspect it will be divided even more. The division is infinite.

As the price of one Bitcoin rises more speculators will begin to purchasesmaller and smaler units of a single Bitcoin. This wll cause the blockchain to expand exponentially as well.

I believe that to be the goal and the end collapse of Bitcoin. Eventually the blockchain becomes so large and so slow to operate that a Bitcoin transaction takes weeks to execute. You traded recognised money for a hacker experiment, and no you can't use it.

Try to buy 10 Bitcoins right now. It will take over a week, and you'll be charged far more than you thought. You want to get in at $200? You won't get in at $200, you'll get in at $400. Then when you try and get out it will take weeks more, and you won't know what you'll get. There is also daily withdrawal limits on the exchanges.

When a group of people think they are gettng rich, they're probably getting scammed.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:59 | 3425844 The Abstraction...
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If I had listened to this advice when I started buying BTC, I would not be 400% virtually richer.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:07 | 3426196 draug
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I *like* bitcoin and I still agree with you.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:20 | 3425476 firstdivision
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I shook the Bernake Ball and it said there is no risk. I shook the Cramer Ball and it said Buy Buy Buy.  I then shook my 8 Ball and it said Reply Hazy, Try Again Later. 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:47 | 3425563 Cognitive Dissonance
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LOL

Buy buy buy.....er...try try try later.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 13:47 | 3427326 mkhs
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Why would you touch Bernake's or Cramer's balls?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:20 | 3425480 Debugas
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the higher bitcoin goes the less attractive it becomes to new-comers. For new-comers it is better to start mining their own bitcoin ver.2 (mine cheap first coins) and advertise it

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 13:13 | 3427124 Matt
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And how do these new comers get websites, restaurants, and other people to accept their new coin? Do you really think there is enough interest in cryptocurrencies that people would support 2? or 10? or an unlimited number of them?

Besides, as it becomes more valuable, you just use smaller units: 0.1 is the new 1.

Perhaps bitcoin is a Giffen Good. As more and more people cannot afford to buy ounces of gold, they can buy smaller and smaller amounts of highly divisible bitcoins. You can argue about the divisibility of gold, but smaller and smaller coins have higher and higher markups, and there is a practical limit to how small a unit of gold you can use as currency.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:20 | 3425482 jeebus
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If I put all of my money in fiat bucks now, am I a greater fool?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:39 | 3425542 Gene Parmesan
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At least fiat is purportedly backed by the/a government, albeit one with an incentive to debase. Bitcoins will not be allowed to supplant government run currencies, so what then?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:23 | 3425491 j.darkness
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@CD  I think it is too early to tell.  it seems to provide a viable alternative to fiat currency with the impression of less risk.  who knows about the logic of that impression though.  it could be a pm price supression scheme funded by nsa, or i could be paranoid, ur...i am paranoid!

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:33 | 3425529 i-dog
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That depends ... if you can't afford to lose, then you can't afford to bet!

The chances of Bitcon going mainstream as a currency with the billions of technically illiterate precious metal believers in the Near, Central and Far East (let alone flyover country) are certainly far, far lower than the chances of a forked chain or busted algorithm. If/when BTC crashes - and for whatever reason, whether technical or political - the fall will be far quicker and steeper than the climb.

It wouldn't be the first time we'd have seen a "sure thing" crash overnight.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:00 | 3425565 Ghordius
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betting on a currency is one thing, but saving is what makes the "moneyness" of a currency - violent market moves kind of "shakes" the "money quality" out of a thing

funnily this applies to gold, too - the very moment the price goes parabolic it enters the "speculation zone" and it stops being a quiet saving instrument for many

shake the baby even more and it stops being a main currency: defined as "the thing" you use to measure the price of "all the other things"

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:04 | 3425610 i-dog
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Ummm ... when has the price (ie. the saving/purchasing power of real goods) of one ounce of gold ever gone "parabolic"? It has remained essentially constant for thousands of years (ie. one ounce of gold would have bought you a decent Roman toga and sandals, now it'll buy you a decent suit and pair of shoes) ... Can't say the same for a USD, or a Spanish Real, or, or, or.....

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:12 | 3425619 Ghordius
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1980 - it was a short spike, yes - a damaging one, to boot, if you consider what happened then for many, many years

at that time my friends' favourite conspiracy theory was that it was "spiked" on purpose - to the greater glory of the USD

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:08 | 3425870 tip e. canoe
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"it was "spiked" on purpose"

indeed. back to the bits: what one should consider as suspicious is not so much the parabola, but its reflexive companion : the ubiquity of the MSM coverage.

reminds me of the arab spring/tp/occupy/etc.:

- find a simmering legitimate feeling of dissent amongst the populace and a method to express it.
- turn up the burners full blast.
- watch as it boils into a steaming froth.
- overcook the dish to dissipate all the nutrient value into the atmosphere.
- let the frogs spend their next years picking over the burnt carcass while you now know exactly who the frogs who can croak the loudest are so you can keep a watchful eye on them.

...rinse and repeat...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:15 | 3425939 Bicycle Repairman
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"Shake the baby"

A perfect metaphor for the strategy they employ on any asset that gets in their way.

Since they can print unlimited fiat, they can shake any baby to death.  Just come on out to their marketplace and get shook. 

The "markets" will not save you.  The printing presses must be smashed.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:41 | 3426384 PeakOil
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Yes. Store of Value. Personally, as a long term store of value, PMs have greater appeal.  Yet, at the moment BTC is a very interesting experiment. a speculation. As with all speculations, do not put in more than you can afford to lose!!

 

 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:37 | 3425537 Gief Gold Plox
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It purely depends on what you mean by "get into". If you're about to acquire some coins, don't.

If you'd like to start mining your own coins, by all means knock yourself out.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:53 | 3425582 francis_sawyer
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@jeebus

~~~

You're laughing 'ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK'?

I thought the purpose of bitcoin was to avoid banks...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:12 | 3425625 blindman
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I think you nailed it right there!
what is really going on here as
mr. panos asks?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 16:23 | 3428250 jeebus
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You're right. I'm married to the phrase. I'm laughing all the way home, how's that? Watching my money grow in fiat bucks has been fun but the pace of this current rise does worry me I can't lie about that. That being said I still very much believe in the concept and we are still well under $10 billion so, it is quite possible you AIN"T SEEN NOTHING YET.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:57 | 3425590 Gohn Galt
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Hi CD.  Maybe.  While Bitcoin BTC is getting all of this hype, the money printers are really pumping the value through the moon.  Now I am afraid of a blowup.  Plus my $40 widget has just become a $80 widget almost overnight in Bitcoin terms.  This isn't good for my customer base and doing business.

Competing currencies are necessary.  I wish Bitcoin BTC would come up with a way to stabilize this currency.  Or should I say stabilize their stock price as Bitcoin BTC can not work in my business model as a currency for daily staple transactions.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:31 | 3425688 blindman
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yea, price discovery is the problem. price discovery
in dollars especially since the dollar no longer
functions as a reliable unit of economic capacitance.
.
"...What Mr. Rothschild had discovered was the basic principle of power, influence, and control over people as applied to economics. That principle is "when you assume the appearance of power, people soon give it to you." " ..the manual
.
Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars
An Introduction Programming Manual
Operations Research Technical Manual
TW-SW7905.1

http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/sw4qw/
.
is bit coin a dashpot? a resistor?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:32 | 3425996 tip e. canoe
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a resistor being transmuted into a dashpot masquerading as a resistor?

(for those like myself who didn't know what a dashpot is:)

A dashpot is a mechanical device, a damper which resists motion via viscous friction.[1] The resulting force is proportional to the velocity, but acts in the opposite direction,[2] slowing the motion and absorbing energy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dashpot

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:13 | 3426235 Urban Roman
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It's a spark gap. 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:32 | 3425691 francis_sawyer
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That's exactly what I've been saying multiple times recently...

~~~

If you're a merchant... All of a sudden you're going to decide to NOT accept bitcoins as payment at these valuations...

I used a lawn mowing service [& a restaurant] as my template...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:55 | 3425826 The Abstraction...
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Put your chump change into it, if you lose it, then you been fooled out of your chump change, that's all.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:12 | 3425938 francis_sawyer
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carelessness with "chump change" is what defines a CHUMP...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:21 | 3425494 forwardho
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Does this mean you have "sold" your b/c and are making a deposit of fiat?

Or are you just counting your virtual chickens ?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:29 | 3425679 Gohn Galt
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I'm not jumping into anymore BTC Bitcoin for a while.  Just like most on this board, I diversify.  Metals, currencies, goods, chickens...  Don't want to keep my eggs in one basket.  Never want to be dependent on any one source.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:27 | 3426005 tip e. canoe
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may a thousand baskets bloom...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:15 | 3425458 firstdivision
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Bitulips or Bitcoin Sea Stock

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:15 | 3425459 Oligarch
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One day big brotha will shut bitcoin down

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:59 | 3425593 Jayda1850
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If it isnt the government backing it, it will be indeed the government to destroy it stuxnet style.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:13 | 3425632 buckethead
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Another possibility: this is Big Brother's global currency. We could be witnessing the sales pitch for it.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:55 | 3425821 The Abstraction...
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What, using Open Source?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:34 | 3426031 phalfa5
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as in open up ur wallets ....

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:15 | 3425460 Zgangsta
Zgangsta's picture

How does one go about shorting bitcoins?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:19 | 3425474 jeebus
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Mpex.co offers derivatives. Betting against bitcoin is certainly not a move I would recommend though. Max Keiser has been talking to some funds in London that he claims are looking to toss billions into bitcoin. $10 billion could be right around the corner.

 

How does a 500% loss sound right about now?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:50 | 3425575 auric1234
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Funny, their setup fee is denominated in BTC. You need 30 BTC to open an account, which is about $6.000.

I've seen cheaper brokerage accounts...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:54 | 3425583 Croesus
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HAHA........yeah, because getting the "establishment" into something that you boys and girls all think is "fighting the establishment" is gonna happen....

That's called pumping, pal.

But truth be told, I hope they do get in. Even though I do not trust Bitcoin, it'd be nice to see every day people fleece the banksters for a change.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:36 | 3426038 phalfa5
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and pigs will fly ...

 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:24 | 3425505 mantrid
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ask Jamie Dimon, his prop desk is pretty good at shorting something with nothing

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:56 | 3425589 labestiol
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bitfinex.com offers cfd, and icbit.se offers futures contracts

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:14 | 3425461 jeebus
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We are in a manic adoption phase. Where does money go if it can't stay in banks or fiat? Bitcoin can NOT absorb much money without it drastically increasing in prices.

 

21 million bitcoins is a small number indeed. It is quite stunning to see $200 having been at $15 a few months ago. I don't know what to make of this but I'm decreasing my bitcoin position a little bit just because I want to diversify out of them a little bit. I still believe in the concept very much so, I just am trying to get some more hard assets. 

 

Who knows? If I wait a few more months I could easily end up with a million. Or zero.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:55 | 3425813 The Abstraction...
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When you have your first 50k, buy all the silver you can carry.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:16 | 3425464 razorthin
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Keiser must be a btc billionaire by now.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:23 | 3425498 jeebus
jeebus's picture

Keiser is a bitcoin 10 millionaire, or soon to be.

 

Zerohedge people at least think they know more than he does though. That's something right?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:15 | 3425467 bitgroin
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Wheeeeee!

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:18 | 3425477 JustObserving
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Bitcoin hit $205.  If silver had gone up at same rate, it would be hitting $125 instead of being down since the Cyprus crisis started.

Someone has complete control of the precious metals markets.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:28 | 3425512 Dr Benway
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Bitcoin isn't increasing in value due to money printing, or through an increased demand for its uses, it is a pure speculative bubble.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:32 | 3425530 fonzannoon
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They have complete control of the paper market and convinced the world paper is physical. It's the greatest experiment they ever conducted. I tip my hat to them. People are just so incredibly stupid.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:43 | 3425551 blindman
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someone at keiser's site said, in effect .
"buy bit coin, crash the price of silver".
humour?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:15 | 3425634 MythicalFish
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Silver inventory is 100 times bigger than BTC.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:46 | 3426099 Pseudo Anonym
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what's your unit of account?  kg, g, mg, oz, lb, ...?  my unit is 1 ton of silver = 1 btc.  therefore, by my calculation, 1ton of silver is scarcer than 1 btc

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:03 | 3425866 e-recep
e-recep's picture

"Someone has complete control of the precious metals markets."

Until he doesn't.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:21 | 3425487 andrewp111
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Soros once said that "when he sees a bubble he buys it".

I wonder if Soros is buying this bubble.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:21 | 3425488 Martin Silenus
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Bitcoins, the Square, e-Cards, digital wallets....all the better to track you with, my dear.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:23 | 3425496 Rot-10
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Good story + zero fundamentals = next great bubble

I'm all-in!

 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:25 | 3425502 HD
HD's picture

What stops TPTB from just outlawing bitcoin? Taking all InTrade bets - oh wait...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:25 | 3425509 digalert
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Hee hee, perhaps the sovereign fiat guardians could focus their attacks on BC and lay off gold and silver for a while? Either way, they're gonna lose.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:26 | 3425511 mantrid
mantrid's picture

can't wait for Thomas Stolper to start FX recomendations for BTC.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:28 | 3425514 spanish inquisition
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If they need to crush bitcoin, all they need to do is open a few ETF's that track with Bitcoin and treat it like its metal.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:53 | 3425807 The Abstraction...
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If you tried buying bitcoins you know how hard it is to buy lots of them quickly. They are algo resistant.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:30 | 3425520 Northeaster
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Isn't Bitcoin a digital currency? What makes this any different from the paper trades (digitally through a broker)? Isn't this just another: "If you don't hold it, you don't own it" scenario?

Look at it's price movement, it looks the same as any other volatile series. I've never used it, however I've heard people "mining" it with heavy duty PC's setups. Can you buy food and fuel with it? Pay bills?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:51 | 3425793 The Abstraction...
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The whole point of BTC vs an account with PayPal, is that you own the private crypto keys. The government would have to physically enter your house and force you to decrypt the credentials with your bitcoin passphrase in order to confiscate the coins. With paypal, or similar systems, everything can be confiscated at once.

 

Each person that enters the chain, and installs a bitcoin wallet, becomes a trader, able to buy and sell with the currency, so your local farmer who buys a bitcoin, by so doing, gets the means to sell his produce with bitcoins.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:29 | 3425521 colin
colin's picture

free market, way way overrated

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:30 | 3425523 colin
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has Jim Kramer given the Bitcoin bump yet?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:56 | 3426141 Tango in the Blight
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Bitcoin was a featured subject in The Good Wife television series, in an episode titled "Bitcoin for Dummies". The CNBC host of Mad Money, Jim Cramer, was shown in a courtroom scene in which he claims he doesn’t consider bitcoin a true currency: “There’s no central bank to regulate it; it’s digital and functions completely peer to peer.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin#The_Good_Wife

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:32 | 3425528 YHC-FTSE
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You know that look people get when somebody keeps blowing into a balloon until it is so taut that it is almost transparent?  That's the look I've got right now after reading the headline.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:36 | 3425538 grove300
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Arab Spring anyone. A silent revolt.  Like in the former Soviet Union, everyone would go walk the dog when the news was being broadcast.  The government never caught on and the empire imploaded. Let me go get the leash!

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:37 | 3425540 paint it red ca...
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Looks to be a speedball powered John Belushi chart>

It's 2nd phase will be just as impressive as its first.

Enjoy the party kids, but be wise enough to realize when its time to go home.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:42 | 3425548 Splootch
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Nasa confirm...The moon is now accepting bitcoin.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:03 | 3425602 francis_sawyer
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I was thinking 'Pluto'...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:41 | 3425550 hazenyc
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11 million in existence and only 10 million left to be created. 1/2 way there!

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:03 | 3425608 francis_sawyer
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& I promise I won't cum on your face sweetheart...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:44 | 3425556 Downtoolong
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Market indicators.

In anticipation of future developments, Gamblers Anonymous just added four new sessions on Saturday and Sunday and modified their twelve step program for Bitcoin addicts. It's now their fastest growing division.

"High, my name is Frank, and I trade Bitcoin".

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:44 | 3425559 ziggy59
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Im buying 2 of them. . As everyone watches in disbelief as bitcoins hit new highs, as they did with gold, which never was to break 1000, 1100, ...1650..etc

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