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On China's Rising Hatred Of The Japanese, And Why The BoJ Just Doesn't Get It
It is becoming increasingly evident that Japan is attempting to use monetary policy to paper over the cracks of imploding foreign policy decisions. The 'storm in a teacup' that has brought China and Japan into fierce rhetorical battles over the Senkaku (or Diaoyu) Islands is having far more deep-seated impacts on the people of the two nations - and implicitly their buying habits. Unfortunately for the embattled Japanese - they are the ones in need far more than vice versa. As Bloomberg reports, discrimination against Japanese is increasingly common in China, as the head of China's Honda plant notes, he’s "never worked in a more hostile place." The dispute over the islands is raising resentment with bars and restaurants showings signs at the door saying, 'Japanese are barred from entering.' "Wherever I go, like department stores or in taxis, people ask me whether I am Japanese," and the reaction can be frosty. Simply put, no matter how cheap the Japanese make their cars by explicitly devaluing their currency, the largest auto market in the world (that of the Chinese) will not be buying; summed up rather bleakly, "I don’t really care about [car] brands,... but there are cars I won’t buy -- the Japanese ones. The reason is simple: Diaoyu."
A sign suggesting no entry for “Japanese” is seen on a notice board posted outside Feng Bo Zhuang diner in Wuhan, Hubei province on April 22, 2013. Asked about the sign, “My boss thinks the Japanese are way wrong on the Diaoyu islands issues, so he decided to put up the sign,” said a manager dressed in a Kung Fu master’s outfit who identified himself only by his family name, Zhong. “It’s also our way of marketing, because Chinese people were all angry.”
Via Bloomberg,
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Discrimination against Japanese is common in China, according to Yasuhide Mizuno, the head of Honda’s venture in Wuhan, ... says he’s never worked in a more hostile place.
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“Wherever I go, like department stores or in taxis, people ask me whether I am Japanese,”... When he says yes, he said, the reception can be frosty.
Mizuno’s experiences in the city, site of one of the bloodiest battles of the Sino-Japanese war in the 1930s, illustrate why sales for Honda and Toyota Motor Corp (7203). have yet to recover since violent protests across China seven months ago.
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Japanese carmakers are continuing to lose share in the world’s biggest auto market.
The future of Japan’s car companies in China “is tied to Sino-Japanese relations, and there isn’t much one company can do through marketing,”
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“I don’t really care about brands,” Chen said as she checked out the gleaming models on display at the Shanghai Auto Show. “But there are cars I won’t buy -- the Japanese ones. The reason is simple: Diaoyu.”
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First-quarter China deliveries for Honda, Nissan Motor Co. and Toyota (7203) fell even as overall Chinese car sales rose 17 percent. The share of Japanese brands dropped to 15 percent, versus a peak of 23 percent in 2011, according to the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers.
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Japanese expatriates are still turned away from grocery stores, but not as often as before, he said. The Wuhan Tianwaitian Golf Country Club is always booked when he tries to reserve a tee time, he says, though it’s better than simply being told Japanese aren’t welcome on the course, as was the case a few months ago.
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“I hope relations will improve so we can have a better business environment.”
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But with Japanese government officials again visiting the Yasukuni Shrine -- a ritual seen in Korea and China as tantamount to paying homage to war criminals -- the automakers and their employees continue to suffer collateral damage.
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Mizuno said. “This is a tough time for us to live in China.”
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Memories are selective.
Chinese Revolution, anyone?
I'm not an authority on Chinese history but if I went through what they went through during the opium wars, the millions of purposefully destroyed lives that it produced and the crappy deals they got from the British & American forces, I might suspect western style living was not all that it was cracked up to be.
Ummm, don't forget the Onion Rebellion and of course Mao, more Chinese were killed by Chinese than any war or occupation...life is cheap in China evidently!
So the Chinks never ever committed any atrocities to their neighbors in 5000 fucking years of history?
Adults get over childhood pain.
You don't see the Russians whining to the Germans about apologies.
China's perverse habit of keeping painful memories on life support, whilst forgetting the details of its own uncomfortable and/or hypocritical actions earn it no respect among thinking, intelligent people.
I don't see Russian companies begging to do business with Germany either..
You talk like a man with a sandpaper asshole.
Edit: Sorry that wasn't meant for you haha
The Japanese could solve two problems at once, and end up looking like the "good guys" in this tense situation: simpy apologize for their crimes against the Chinese during the war, and offer the stupid islands in reparation. If done properly, with grace and sincerity, the amount of goodwill they would generate would probably make them the #1-selling national automotive brand in China for 25 years, and defuse a potential war.
Of course, that assumes that any politician woiuld be willing to do the right thing, instead of the politically-expedient one.
The Japanese and Chinese have hated each others for generations. Centuries.
What they need is a common currency.
Not too long ago those in Japan thought of the Chinese as being in a class that much above animals.
You have to understand the history and culture of the 2 countries.
Actually Yogi, you have it ass backwards.
It's the Chinese that denigrate the Japanese as "dwarves" and have considered the Japanese confucian sellouts/not real asians, since the 1870's or so. China has always looked down on Japan, which is precisely why having their asses whooped repeatedly by Japan on land and sea hurt their pride to such a degree that they simply cannot put it behind them. Pathetic, really.
Which, I believe, is exactly what Abenomics is striving toward.
Lets see, the Japanese killed 10,000,000 Chinese during their war with China. Mao killed 65,000,000 Chinese during his reign of terror. Yet the Chinese are angry at Japan?
That is what you call hypocritizenism.
And in China, it is much the mattering thing.
That was internal. It's like the thousands that died during the civil war. So do the south and the north still hate each other?
US civil war:
For 110 years, the numbers stood as gospel: 618,222 men died in theCivil War, 360,222 from the North and 258,000 from the South — by far the greatest toll of any war in American history.
You are comparing apples to oranges. The Americans were in a Civil War with the nation divided into two parts with two leaders. China had one gov't ruled by one man, that was not a civil war. The era pre-Mao was a civil war.
Unit 731 and America giving a full pardon to the leader of the unit in exchange for data probably explains a lot of it. (Oh, and the rape of over 20 million people).
Sanitized Western Version
A vivisection of the pregnant woman at the Unit 731. This pregnant young woman was infected with syphilis for to study the efficiency of the new Japanese antibiotic terramycin on the infected fetus [Grim reality version: NSFW, NSFL]
35 images from the camp [Grim reality version: NSFW, NSFL]
So... yeah. The Chinese have been remarkably civilised about this in comparison to other victims. Not seeing a whole lot of Memorials on Japanese soil for the victims, sadly. Or, you know, reparations.
That is because the 'american' ganglord provided a pardon.
Human lifes have no cost or price in an 'american' world when you are not a human being.
And 'americans' are in the business of telling who is human and who is not.
All the while, you are long done with the business of telling who is human, and migratory laborers didn't fit your template. You know, dwelling right in a glasshouse yourself - you should consider to shit in the dark!
AnAnonymous, pouring self-contradicture:
With the coming of the Chinese Citizenism Communautist Party, came the idea of non humans, the only way the Chinese citizenism system found to resolve its inner contradictions. Every human being is entitled to rights, if some are not, that is because they are not human beings, but half-man half-thing.
Ask the Tibetans, you'll see.
'American' legacy is one of multiple copy cats.
Many others have seen some values in the 'american' way of doing.
This stated, no matter their merits, they are only copycats.
The original remains in 'americans'.
Chinese Citizenism legacy is one of multiple crispy cats.
Few others have seen some values in the Chinese Citizenism way of doing shit on the roadside.
This stated, no matter their tasty merits, they are only wokkycats.
The original remains in Chinese Citizenism bellies.
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Shanghailarious.
A few years back I found out first hand how the Chinese feel about the Japanese when I joked to a couple of Chinese girls that we could go to a local karaoke bar and that they could pretend they were Japanese.
I won't make that mistake again.
This reminds me of Americans refusing to purchase superior Japanese motorbikes and stubborn overpaying for that Harley Davidson shit whilst the rest of the world laughs at them.
Same with their shit cars and planes.
HEY!
I happen to only drive Japanese cars.
You could not pay me to by American. They are shit in comparison.
I have used Japanese autos worldwide and each has been outstanding.
Excellent engineering and construction.
Particularly the Toyotas used in Africa.
Great machines.
Kudos to you.
You know how incompetent American engineering is when American cars need a 6.4 liter V8 to produce the same power as a 2 litre European engine.
American cars are truly pieces of shit. If anybody is wondering why Detriot is a wasteland it's because they built garbage, utter shit cars. I'm embarrassed for them.
The suspension in American cars is so utterly fucking shit I cannot believe they even lasted as long as they did. Hahaha what a load of fucking junk they can't even turn a corner without lurching over like a boat.
Totally shit garbage junk.
Are you trying to say you don't care for American cars?
American cars? I can piss with more thrust.
Traitor.
A real marlboro man drives a V8 chevvy and coughs up blood for the factory workers in detroit.
you're a V8 man or a girlie man - make your choice.
Where does driving a Kia diesel put us??
(Probably in the deepest portals of Hell!!)
It's hard to shake off all the nasty things Japan did to the Chinese in the 1930's. What the Japanese solders did to the women,etc. Some people are still alive in China that remember the atrocities.
A Chinese boy doesn't forget having his mother carved up in front of him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
If you ever want to read a disturbing book, The Rape of Nanking is a good one. Japs were sub human
Actually the Japanese thought the Chinese were sub human. That's why they had no respect for them.
An awful time in human history.
This occurs throughout history. History repeats.
It is and was a mutual (non)admiration society.
Actually till 1991, Japanese thought they are above human.
By 'american' standards and as revealed by the ganglord US of A themselves, the Japanese were the human beings.
From an 'american' perspective, it is quite normal for a human being to deal with sub human beings the way Japanese did.
Thank you for providing us an example of a sub-sub-human.
Not to mention the very successful chinese way of dealing with 'sub humans' of their own ilk ...
AnAnonymous writing more fictional history:
Funny how AnAnonymist propaganda likes to dilute a real disaster into an orgamiscly huge version of it.
"But with Japanese government officials again visiting the Yasukuni Shrine -- a ritual seen in Korea and China as tantamount to paying homage to war criminals -- the automakers and their employees continue to suffer collateral damage."
It wasn't just "gov't officials" it was a record number since 1988 all at once visiting.
"The number of lawmakers participating in the mass visit to the shrine -- which came after Prime Minister Shinzo Abe made offerings and three Cabinet ministers paid homage there over the weekend -- was the largest since 1989, accounting for nearly one-fourth of Japan's total parliamentary seats of 722."
http://mainichi.jp/english/english/newsselect/news/20130423p2g00m0dm040000c.html
There is no rising hatred of the Japanese in the P.R.C. There are just propaganda films, repeatedly and graphically driving home all the sins of the past; a completely controlled state media; and the dependable Lao Bai Shin (rednecks) who are bone-dumb enough to buy it.
'lao baixing' (old one hundred names) refers to the common folk and does not translate well to 'rednecks'.
Nationalism is all the Ruling clique in China has. Hating Japanese helps Chinese people forget how much they hate their own Govt
The Japanese are denying entry to foreigners all the time, so I actually find this quite refreshing and will hopefully teach them what it feels like to be treated differently based on race.
In Shinjuku red-light district, I was refused entry many times.
The atrocities committed against the Chinese by the Japanese were 70-80 years ago. Thats 3 generations ago and since that time the Japanese have been very peaceful members of the world. I think it's time the Chinese get over it and move on, but I sincerely doubt that will happen as the Communist scumbags will do anything to stay in power. If anything, the world should be outraged at how China treats the citizens in their western-most province and in Tibet, as well as their continuing support of the North Korean Gulag.
Even with an 11:1 advantage in population, I suggest China be a bit careful when poking the Japanese.
The US and Japan have been building up China's technology, manufacturing and military.
China has all of the US nuke technology
Remember:
"Missile" Fired Off California Coast On Same Day That Chinese Sub Surprised US Carrier Group"
http://www.examiner.com/article/experts-say-missile-fired-off-of-west-coast-was-chinese
I suggest you don't take things you read at face value, makes you look naive.
Don't count on it. Americans seem to have a greater ability to forgive stuff that happened in the past. Heck, some have even forgiven Hanoi Jane. BUT.... just to name a few, the Serbs are still bent out of shape over what the Turks did 700 years ago, the Japanese are still nervous about Chinese invasions in the 13th century, the Arabs are still pissed about the Crusades, there are still Christians who hold a grudge over killing the messiah, Jews still get upset over destroying the temple, and there are disputes among tribes in Africa that go back to the Bronze Age.
Tibet too is a matter of time. Just wait enough, and it is gone.
'American' ethics at their best.
It is oddly decent of you to declare your pernicious and pathological goal of the destruction of the Tibetan people and culture so openly.
But when "foreign devils" are merely "half-man, half-thing", their genocide is only a trivial concern for citizenismists.
That was said to be true of poland, some time ago .... how did that turn out? And by the way: 'Americans' were not involved much ...
If I were Japanese I'd be working on my Chinese.
A day is coming when the bankrupt "security" tit of the American paper-tiger is going to go away along with the American market and leave the bankrupt Japanese to the Chinese wolves who are still rightfully pissed about the Manchurian "experience" of the 30s and 40s. hujel
If I was Chinese I'd be a bit more pissed at my gov't rather than something that happened 3 generations ago. I'd also be wondering what happened in the previous centuries that allowed China to become so weak. And yes, it started before the "The Great Century of Humilation".
Goddamn right. The great "Century of Humiliation" merely capped a Millena of Arrogance and cultural/intellectual ossification. China incorrectly and foolishly assumed it was the all-singing, all-dancing center of the universe, and never could quite come to grips with the fact that its worst enemy is and was (indeed, always will be) itself and its brittle, infantile, and unjustifable sense of superiorioty.
Behold the arrogance and stupidity of China in 1793... http://academics.wellesley.edu/Polisci/wj/China/208/READINGS/qianlong.html
Eventually the US will end up like the Soviet Union. Unable to afford it's military.
The US is a shell of it's former self and must rely on borrowing and overseas manufacturing.
I somewhat agree with you. The politicians are desperately trying to transform the USA into the USSR before the citizens have had enough and start lynching them.
The US will default, balance their budget, throw 0bama in jail, lynch a few others, and become stronger than before.
You have to view this in context.
The Chinese are embattled with all of their neighbors over border or island disputes. A mix of internal politics, needing to give more authority to the equivalents to the Coast Guard and the Department fo Fisheries, plus some idea that they could find natural gas and oil there, China is fussing with Vietnam over the Paracel and Spratly Islands. Go ahead, try to find them on the map. east of Hoi An, they are just dots at any magnification. The Vietnamese parliament is taking none of the Chinese bluster, and they have passed resolutions declaring that those islands belong to Vietnam. Some of the proudest moments in Vietnamese history are memories of defeating China.
The Chinese are even fueding with India over a northermost province of India, fueding with Indonesia and Philippines about sea rights, actively irritating South Korea with support of North Korea, fueding with Mongolia over border issues...antagonistic toward every neighbor they have. It is not in the best interests of China to be this way, but it is just their DNA to squabble. And you thought our State Department owned 'stupid'.
The Chinese whipped up anti-Japanese fervor in the Chinese populace back in 2007. They needed a foreign devil because things were getting tense, and they propagandized against the Japanese. Citizens attacke the car of an ambassador, Japanese property in China was attacked, and ultimately Beijing had to pull in the reins.
This is nonsense from China, but you go try to talk to them. Meanwhile, there is no capital in the Tiger countries and SE Asia that isn't warming up to the United States. Even Myanmar is coming around.
Go visit Vietnam or Cambodia and discover how welcomed, liked and admired Americans are by the folks in the street. No resentment, no issues, rising economies, happy people. Leave the whole Vietnam War behind you when you go, the Vietnamese consider that ancient history, and do you know my cousin who lives in Houston? A completely different experience than the smug decadent miserable drain-circling Zeropeans,
This is silly. The Chinese don't have "rising" hatred of the Japanese. They ALWAYS hated the Japanese. A lot. And vice versa. The Japanese have had no love for the Chinese since at least the 13th century when China tried to invade Japan. Maybe you've heard the term kamikaze?? Likewise, if you're Chinese the Japanese invasion before WW2 is fresh in Chinese collective memories. Notable for, among other things, the only modern use of large scale biological warfare Also, you may have heard of this minor event called the Rape of Nanking?
How idiotic to think that a little money printing or some stupid island shifts the sands interms of Sino-Japanese relations.
The Japanese killed huge numbers of Chinese in the 1930's and early 1940's. But the Chinese communist leadership killed even larger numbers of Chinese in the late '40s, '50's and 60's. The Chinese communists need to have an external enemy to divert attention away from their own crimes and the Japanese fill the bill nicely. Also, the Chinese seem to want to flex their military muscles and Japan is looking weak now.
This has nothing to do with the BoJ.
Very well said.
The good ol greatness of humans. It's funny how people go on and on about how amazing the human species is and how advanced or "evolved" it is and yet those in the species show their brilliance with shit like this and of coruse patriotism in general which is one of most asinine things humans do. It's amusing how I am supposed to be conditioned to think humans are so special and chreished (I do not) yet this is the species that will argue and hate each other over some useless islands, not to mention all the other dumb shit humans bicker over with each other. Then of course there is the grandiose view so many people have of that species ignoring the fact a freaking misquito could theoretically wipe out the entire population.
It truly amazes me that the human species has lasted for as long as it has. Based on human nature you'd think they would ahve wiped themselves out a long time ago. If there is by chance a personal god then it would have no doubt been so hands on over time to amke sure the species kept going and I can only assume that same god just gave up and is watching the current world with amusement and disgust.
China is just being silly now...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/24/us-china-japan-islands-idUSBRE...
China calls Japan-U.S. island drill "provocative"Let's see whose dick is longer here.
So because we are examining asian dicks we will need Hubble Telescope to discern which is larger.
Now if only 'Mericans could figre out that some rice burner is stealing their lunch we might get them to buy domestic we might add a few industrial jobs.
I remember the last spat when there were organized protests nationwide and testosterone levels jumped up a bit. After about one week local people were once again wearing Japanese brands, shopping for higher-quality stuff, and stuffing their faces with sushi.
I asked my friend here, "what's with the short-term memory?" She replied, "you still don't understand Chinese people".
Well maybe I don't, but I understand misguided anger when I see it. Come together people.
Selective memory of the Chinese.
The Japanese did some horrible things to Chinese citizens during WW2, but, not to be outdone, the Communist Chinese government should have proven that no one can kill Chinese citizens as well as the Chinese government can.
We're talking about the same country that'll toss you into forced labor camps if you protest against corruption and exploitation. We're talking about the same government that forced college students to "intern" at cell phone factories when they were short handed.
The Japanese are a good distraction for the Chinese government's own issues, but I also got to hand it to the Japanese - they sure it make easy to hate them.
"Country of the setting sun" ? (Hint: the sun rays on their flag have long dissapeared, and what they now have is the moon)
its a race between "buy our products because fuck you" Japan , "all your sovereignty are belong to us" Europe and the TBTF US as to who is going to torpedo the global economy first - LOL
As Chris Tucker said in Rush hour: "Yall look alike"....... so what is the difference? Why the hate? lol