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Russia, China Urge Respect Of Syrian Sovereignty As UN Finds Only Syrian Rebels Used Chemical Weapons

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Following this weekend's explosive escalation in Syria, the big unknown was how Russia and China would respond: the two countries have long been known to be opposed to the US-Israel axis' involvement and intervention in Syria, although they have so far kept their involvement to a minimum. Today we get the answer: "Russia said on Monday it was concerned the chances of foreign military intervention in Syria were growing following reports of Israeli air strikes around Damascus which were a source of "particular alarm". "We are seriously concerned by the signs of preparation of global public opinion for possible armed intervention in the long-running internal conflict in Syria," Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said in a statement. He suggested those concerns stemmed in part from media reports about the alleged use of chemical weapons in the conflict that has killed more than 70,000 people in two years.

He added:

"The further escalation of armed confrontation sharply increases the risk of creating new areas of tension, in addition to Syria, in Lebanon, and the destabilization of the so far relatively calm atmosphere on the Lebanese-Israeli border."

 

"The internationalization of the extremely dangerous and destructive internal conflict in Syria must not be permitted," he said, calling for "decisive efforts aimed at shifting the events in Syria into a peaceful channel."

China was likewise concerned, and came out "urging restraint", adding that Syria's sovereignty "should be respected" although at no point was Israel called out by name:

"We oppose the use of military force and believe any country's sovereignty should be respected," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told a regular briefing.

 

"China also calls on all relevant parties to begin from the basis of protecting regional peace and stability, maintain restraint and avoid taking any actions that would escalate tensions and jointly safeguard regional peace and stability," Hua said.

 

Hua, who did not mention Israel by name, was speaking as Netanyahu began a five-day trip to China.

 

His trip coincides with a visit by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas as China tries to shore up its role in a region where its diplomatic influence is limited.

 

China, a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council, has traditionally had a low profile in Middle Eastern diplomacy, but it is keen to assert a role as an important participant in international politics.

 

Hua, asked if China would urge Netanyahu to stop air strikes, said the Israeli leader had yet to meet Chinese leaders. Netanyahu is due to meet Premier Li Keqiang on Wednesday.

Finally, and confirming this whole development is nothing but one big false-flag facade, earlier we got reports that the UN has heard testimony that Syrian rebels may have used sarin gas, Carla Del Ponte, a UN investigator, said in an interview, Swiss television station RSI’s website says. There is “strong and concrete” suspicion, though not yet any “incontestable” proof according to Del Ponte, and the punchline is that according to "testimony so far suggests only rebels used sarin."

From the Independent:

Carla Del Ponte, a member of the UN independent commission of inquiry on Syria, said that testimony gathered from casualties and medical staff indicated that the nerve agent sarin gas was used by rebel fighters.

 

"Our investigators have been in neighbouring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated," Ms Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television, broadcast on Sunday. 

 

"This was used on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities," she added, speaking in Italian.

 

Ms Del Ponte added that the inquiry has yet to see any direct evidence suggesting that government forces have used chemical weapons, but said further investigation was required before this possibility could be ruled out.

 

The new claims come one week after the United States said it had "varying degrees of confidence" that sarin had been used by Syria's government on its people.

More warmongering lies by the US government and its Nobel peace prize-winning leader: how inconceivably unpossible...

Does this mean that last week's US witch Syrian hunts, "red lines", and certain evidence that Syria used chemical weapons was really just referring to the US, and Al-Qaeda, supported Syrian rebels? Or was the emergence of this factoid not part of the great propaganda spin?

 

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Mon, 05/06/2013 - 13:55 | 3534692 Kirk2NCC1701
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You omitted the Bio-Weapons (BW) at USAMRIID.  And where we recruited former Soviet BW scientists (Ken Abilek et al), who are now no longer doing work of the Evil Empire, but are now "Doing God's work" -- no doubt.

www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/12792/title/Ken-Alibek--For-the-Biodefense/

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:45 | 3533781 shovelhead
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It will all be fun and games and a big adventure until that Sarin ends up in a NY subway.

Who could have seen that coming?

War on Terror-Deluxe Edition.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:50 | 3533796 SheepDog-One
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Definitely they won't see anything coming, if we're to believe the Boston marathon bombing script. These DHS FBI CIA morons couldn't find their own dicks with and electron microscope and both hands! IF we're to believe their coverup stories that is.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:53 | 3533803 HowardBeale
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Do you think the CIA is provisioniing the NY subway rebels too?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:54 | 3533807 cherry picker
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It's a pity that no one including its citizens trust the USA propaganda machine anymore, but as in all things with life, when proved to be a liar, why should anyone trust?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:58 | 3533815 Handful of Dust
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China services growth slows sharply, adds to recovery risk


 

http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/china-hsbc-april-services-pmi-falls-low...

 

 

Slow growth and 1.2 Billion unemployed may provide incentive for more conflict.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:59 | 3533816 hero HNL
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To zerohedge:

 

You posted a wrong picture.....That's Asahara of the Japanese doomsday cult.

 

He's serving a death sentence in jail right now.

 

 

hero

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:12 | 3533849 Aurora Ex Machina
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Oh boy...

 

Translation: the picture is of the last known person to actually use sarin gas to commit mass-murder. (Halabja featured a cocktail, and sarin certainly wasn't the major component).

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:05 | 3533832 solgundy
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doesn't matter where the rebels got the gas.....the main thing to do is Sell Gold

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:36 | 3533931 Quinvarius
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The only thing that can save the bankers now is to give them your gold before it runs to 8k to fix the banking system and repair the government balance sheet..  It is your patriotic duty to give up the core asset of the banking system to assist in the reset.  Failure to do so will only result in the delay of the gold price rise. 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:15 | 3533857 earnulf
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So no credible proof, just interviews with people that were treated.

Okay, so someone used sarin.    Who has it and how did they get it?     Did rebels overrun a govt stockpile and shoot it off?   Did the government use it and blame the rebels?    Did a third party supply one side or the other with it?

Too many questions still unanswered (exactly what role do "intelligence agencies" play again?) and too many fingers stirring the soup that is Syria and the Middle East.

 

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:57 | 3534015 WAMO556
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Did the sarin gas come on a shipment from Libya???

There is a reason why the ambassador is dead.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:22 | 3533877 Judge Crater
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Organ grinder Obama will ignore this UN report and continue to instruct the "monkeys" in his sideshow (Libyan mercenaries, Saudi car and backpack bomb makers, Netanyahu) to find a way to get rid of Assad.  Obama's guiding principle is "Oil is thicker than blood."  Just like Bush, Obama will follow his instructions from the oil cartel, whatever the human toll in American deaths.  That is just the way it is.  

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:22 | 3533878 YHC-FTSE
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I wonder how the msm is going to spin this,  even if they mention it?

 "Only Syrian rebels used sarin on civilians" = Only Mossad/CIA/MI6/Al Queda used sarin on civilians. Which is basically what most here suspected all along, to destabilise Syria and prepare the public for invasion. 

Reckon a Russian pounding of Israel is still on the cards, depending on the UN which is now favourable to a retaliatory strike. 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:33 | 3533915 BigJim
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 Reckon a Russian pounding of Israel is still on the cards, depending on the UN which is now favourable to a retaliatory strike.

Are you serious? That would be like bombing Washington DC.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:40 | 3533954 Quinvarius
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I think the fact that the US economy boomed after WW2 due to the complete destruction of everyone else's economy in the war is not lost on the nutbags in DC.  They would welcome WW3.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 10:07 | 3534060 YHC-FTSE
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Can't improve on Quinvarius. Besides, the moment people believe something to be, untouchable, unsinkable,  indestructible,  or any other similar assignations, that's the precise moment we get a lesson in reality. 

Pure conjecture with a lot of "ifs" and "reckons" with 20% wishful thinking, but if the Russians don't want Syria and Iran to fall into another ME inferno, they will have to make a stand in Syria, and that involves stopping Israel's covert and now overt moves.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 11:22 | 3534247 Mr. Hudson
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It's very possible. Putin is a devout Orthodox Christian, and WW3 is going to be a religious war. The Russian Church  is against the overthrow of Assad, and they are against any foreign intervention to take Assad out.

When Putin was asked to promise to protect Christian minorities in the Middle East, his reply was "“So it will be....there is no doubt at all.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/world/europe/russian-church-opposes-sy...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 11:57 | 3534321 Aurora Ex Machina
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Putin is a devout Orthodox Christian

 

 

That's an interesting take on an (ex-)KGB power player. Here's a more accurate portrayal.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:03 | 3534727 Kirk2NCC1701
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"Reckon a Russian pounding of Israel is still on the cards"

ROTFL.  The only "pounding" that involves these two parties, is the kind last seen in the ancient city of Sodom. /s

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:50 | 3533978 css1971
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Wait...

 

America is supporting The Rebels. The Rebels have used Sarin, chemical Weapon of Mass Destruction against civilians.

Doesn't that make America one of the bad guys? Shouldn't Obama be invading America and laying down The Law. Painting a Red Line over which American's absolutely must not cross?

 

Or would that just make it blindingly obvious he's a hypocrite?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 10:32 | 3534128 Terminus C
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be careful what you wish for...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:51 | 3533988 helping_friendl...
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Meanwhile the Obama makes a 10 billion dollar weapons sales deal to Saudi Arabia and Israel, CIA has admiinistration's blessing to expand drone program to.......where ever there are....ahem, terrorist to be vaporized.

The CIA is taking over because the DoD wants to, try and, wash the blood off their hands. The peaceniks in the Pentagon are finally clueing into the fact they have been decieved for 12 years and the Netenyahoo and the Rothschild's are hell bent on their Messianic mission. 

When the Lebonese start killing Christians the Iranians will come in to the mix which will provoke the Russians and Chinese. The Shia will stay out of it and let the Sunni do the heavy lifting until the time is right to take out Israel and the Sunnis all at once.

Assad will be poisoned, of course, following Sunni tradition.

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:05 | 3534734 Kirk2NCC1701
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Good plot for movie or TV show.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 10:16 | 3534087 CheapBastard
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27% unemployment in the EU and higher in MENA plus sinking economies,....all the makings of good canon fodder.....

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 10:25 | 3534110 williambanzai7
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I hope she has her anti-drone helmet on.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 10:33 | 3534129 Terminus C
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Bread helmet ftw!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 11:08 | 3534219 jeffgroove102
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The war pigs in this country are screaming, "Who moved my cheese!", with this news! Remember fellow peasants, it is okay for the elites to move your cheese, but not the other way around. Just ask a cyprus citizen that recently did not get the benefit of a reach around.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 11:13 | 3534231 monad
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Assad should keep his powder dry and sue Israel for their unilateral acts of aggression. Hit them in the pocket, where it hurts most. That will piss them off most too. Just keep suing them for every assault until they stop. Trillion dollar judgements will force them to cede Golan Heights, West Bank, East Bank, they'll get the message.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 11:22 | 3534249 fuckitall
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How long will Russia/China put up with Obozo-sponsored "rebels" causing trouble in Syria ...and lots of other places?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 11:32 | 3534273 Mr. Hudson
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The only way I see Russia and China standing up to Israel/United States is if they completely severe ties with the dollar and create a sound currency. China is too tied up with Western Central Bankers to cut the strings. Russia has a better chance of breaking free, and Putin is a devout Orthodox Christian.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:09 | 3534748 Kirk2NCC1701
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"Putin is a devout Orthodox Christian".

Where do you get this claptrap?  He's a devout Big Shot and spy-grandmaster, who added the Orthodox Church to his "Assets".

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 11:45 | 3534265 Element
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When the system goes down there isn't going to any great 'rebellion' that rights all wrongs and re-institutes "good Govt".

Other than the fact there's no such thing, that's also naive 18th century fantasy. They used to line up in colourful uniforms and shoot at each other and call it a "Battle" back then. Times have changed. A 21st century rebellion in the Western world would result in utter chaos, and then an every man and woman for themselves, as there will be nobody and nothing left to put humpty back together. And this 'public' don't have it in them to organize anything like a rebellion, or regeneration! They're mentally defeated. Social media is complete nonsense, a pitiful toy.

Unless you can guarantee the continuity of jelly-cream donuts and permissive authoritah for the brownshirts you're never going to get the police on the side in any 'popular' rebellion. They have been equipped and trained to win urban confrontations, and almost indivisible from state security (USSA Republican Guards). Or they will induce such a series of bloodbaths that you won't want to fight. Yes, it's a police state, yes, democracy is nominal, and it will be suspended like any supposed rights.

Rights without accountability don't exist.

Here's what "Selco", a survivor from the Bosnian civil-war (total system collapse) saw the police within his area do to people and their property. People who believed or hoped the police were ultimately good-guys (even when not paid), deeply committed to law-and-order, public servants. Rather than a well-ordered, equipped and trained gang of what emerged to be ruthless and better organised criminals. This is the brutal revelatory truth of state-power, and what occurs when it stops, and how thinly glued state-society is (we can't really call it "civil" society!), and what your tax dollars funded. This is why the audacity of hope, in the state as saviour and protector is a lethal devious lie that only a fool or the official MSM lie-support apparatus sprouts.

This is from a list of observed symptoms, signs and indicators to help people recognise that "normal times" and their "normal rules" are over, or almost over, so to help recognise that change early, and face it, and adjust to it early enough to survive it.

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"Symptom 5: Nobody to trust anymore
 
I explain this with story of what happened to a friend.
 
Like great majority of people my friend watched in first days the situation deteriorating. I talked with him few days ago and I asked him can he remember right moment, or right event that he can call like something like point of no going back, or point when he clearly saw that everything is going to sh.. and something completely new is coming.
 
He lived in apartment building on seventh floor with his family, and he said that he like great majority of people watched in first week or two how things going down, stories of sporadic killing in city fueled by rage and hate, fear slowly started to creep into people’s mind, fear from unknown, still people believed things somehow gonna revert back to normal, nobody wanted to think too much about worst things, it was somehow unimaginable.
 
On one late afternoon or evening he heard shots, brakes and sounds of car crash. He goes to window and seen that truck went off the road to the dirt beside road, driver fell out from the truck, and screamed that sniper shot him. Vehicles were going on the road close to the guy but nobody wanted to stop and help him.
 
After 10 minutes, 10 or 12 policeman came with rifles, and take position close to the truck and wounded guy, I guess trying to figure where sniper was. Firefighters also came, but they stay 100 or 150 meters from truck. Also taking cover from possible sniper.
 
It was in first days when very few people knew who is fighting with who and why and who is enemy, nobody mentioned the word war too much, people still thought that things were some local unrests that gonna cease soon.
 
On the intersection, right across that burning truck and screaming driver, there was small store, „newspapers store“ they sell cigarettes, newspapers, lighters, candy and stuff like that.
 
When that truck crashed salesman ran away in fear from everything I guess.
 
Anyway police guys were hiding and lying down everywhere while that guy screamed, after some time one of them came to the store, used his baton and smashed glass and took couple boxes of cigarettes, after him few other also did that, he said one even took big box of bubble gums.
 
Police guys did not know what do with that sniper, after some time my friend says darkness came and someone started to shoot at them too, so they ran away carrying one Police man who was wounded. Firefighters ran away earlier, everybody forgot the screaming guy.
 
My friend said he did not even realize when the truck driver who has been shot stopped with screams. He said the image of police officers in full gear with weapon stealing things from that store was so new for him and so crushing that he clearly took that event and that moment as point of real beginning, moment when SHTF and his world broke down.
 
From that moment on he knew it was about survival now and rules had changed.
 
When you believe for years that guys in uniforms are there only to serve and protect you, awakening to something like that can be rude.
 
So symptom 5 is when behavior of authorities change. Clear signs now things are bad. Those might be smaller changes first and not so extreme like in my friends case, but at the end of day policeman are also fathers and sons and have family to take care of.
 
That night he and his family left that apartment, and moved to some safer parts of town, at that time they figured that S. had hit the fan. Not so much because of screaming guy, who died soon, but much more because image of police officers stealing things.
 
Also, few hours after police officers were gone, he sneaked out to the store and took some stuff, not too many things were left, but few boxes of cigarettes worth fortune in coming months.
 
Those are 5 important early warning signs or symptoms of SHTF. There are many more fine details to pay attention to of course. I speak in detail about all events that happened before we realized we were in a SHTF scenario in my course.
 
What are your early warning signs you watch out for?"

http://shtfschool.com/security/the-5-first-symptoms-of-shtf/
 
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Then a more chilling example and warning of what came soon after, from the 'Police'.

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Abuse of power or just the human side of authorities?

 

February 15, 2013
 
I mentioned several times in last few days that we do not need to label everything, all that matters is what impact it can have on us.
 
What I meant is we do not need to know why something is happening right away but know something is going on and definitely we need to be prepared for results of that. Again like in all other articles I do not want to judge right or wrong here, just talk about some experiences and give you some things to maybe think about.
 
I read many times in comments and on different blogs and forums questions and speculations about what authorities gonna do when SHTF, or how police gonna react and what military gonna do. So there is a whole different set of options and opinions, but great majority of them are having the opinion based on mindset that they are used to. They think like before SHTF even though SHTF changes everything into real survival situation with whole different set of rules. And that makes big difference. /... /
 
I wanna tell you one story from my SHTF time, it is about law abiding citizens and special police force.
 
First days of collapse are most chaotic in terms of panic and frightened people, so there is a picture of big number of people who do not know what to do, where to go, and what is gonna be. Looting everywhere, and when folks realize that nobody gonna punish them they just go wild.
 
One group of people (they all lived in same apartment building) choose to stay in, or to bug in speaking in survival terms. There were couple of days of chaos outside but nobody touched them in that building.
 
When things get more rough they choose to move in few apartments on same floor and stay together. Anyway after some two or three weeks there were some kind of peace outside. They were on watch on windows carefully checking what is going on, but they could not figure out anything.
 
Few hours later when dark start to fall they noticed group of some 30 policeman, with helmets, rifles and everything. Special police was still around and in first days after STHF they made weak attempts of putting riots down.
 
They moved in order and formation. Guys from the building were so happy to see them after weeks of rioting and chaos outside. They were first sign that things maybe get back to normal. They cheered and called them.
 
Police guys quickly stormed into the building and forced them out. They shoot them after quick search. After that they searched apartments for useful stuff. One of the guys who realized and ran for his life survived and told me his story. They were so quick and professional in killing that most of the people did not even have time to ask for mercy.
 
Now what is the importance of this story?
 
Remember this: When SHTF, there are a guys with guns, and there are guys without guns. Everything else are just labels. Names like police, army, authority, government…
 
You can not think in the terms that we think today, it is dangerous.
 
If you read between lines on this website you also come to your own conclusions how you can make chances of your survival better if your group looks like official helpers. Of course do not use this for bad things.
 
There is nothing deep and philosophic in this story, police force are just bunch of guys with guns who are doing their job today, some of them are good people, some of them are bad people. They all just like us gonna choose what they gonna do when SHTF but when they are in big emotional stress or fight for their survival they might not be nice guys like before. Even if they try to be good they go around and anyone they see can be a Chris Dorner and in all chaos they do not know.
 
Guys who were hiding in the building were common law abiding folks, and they did not realize that SHTF and that rules had changed, actually rules were gone, so what was before did not matter much. Black can be white, bad can be good, or police force can be simple gang.
 
Really getting this mindset is also main point of my survival course. Yes, there are my list with supplies and survival guide but with interviews I want you to see how “not natural” it was. Yes, it feels like landing on different planet when society changes like that but if you want to survive you have to be able to be almost comfortable with this.
 
Now do not get me wrong, I am not saying that we all need to go out and not obey the law. Nothing like that. But when SHTF it is wrong to act like law abiding citizen just because you are used to. It just doesn't make sense and you have to question everything and everyone.
 
I had that “advantage” or “luck” seeing all that when SHTF, also I am living in what I call “unorganized” country so I am perfectly aware that police here even in “normal” times are armed guys who also work for people who pay more.
 
So all of my problems I am trying to solve by myself, no real help from authorities. Maybe in your world situation is different and you should be grateful for that. I am not saying that all cops are bad, in your country most cops are probably very good. Just keep in mind people who enforce law and order are humans too and when SHTF or in major disaster that is followed by long term survival situation they are living in new world too in which old rules do not mean much.
 
I know it is easy for me to say this because I have been in this situation but besides all “technical” or “logistical” aspects of prepping your mind has to be ready for the day when old labels, classification and rules are not working anymore. Only then you can make critical right decisions that can make your chance to survive better."

http://shtfschool.com/protection/abuse-of-power-or-just-the-human-side-o...
 
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Note that during the Albanian territorial-grab, in Kosovo, it was primarily paramilitary police (just like the ones you just saw on US streets) who were rampaging through Kosovo, slaughtering thousands of people, brutally torturing, raping and executing prisoners, mostly to discover where their loot was hidden, before they murdered them, and their family. They looted everything they could and burned what was left, and called it 'War'.

This process will be heavily exacerbated initially by religion, and ridiculous and fake tribalism, and social dynamic of gang 'cultures', until that all becomes irrelevant, and everyone only gives a toss about surviving, rather than revolution or salvation krud. For sure we're not going to abandon this path until we've re-learned the same bitter lessons, and the garbage of the past generation or three is swept aside, burned and eliminated.

This is evolution, it can not be bargained with, and it absolutely will not stop. Don't let anyone sell you the fable we've suspended normal evolutionary processes via technology - we haven't. The "Global Imbalances" are our expressions of us.

ALL EVOLUTIONARY ACCOUNT BALANCES GET RECONCILED - ALWAYS!

This is how a "reset" may be expressed, and in many cases it will, and there will be little left standing-by to prevent it, not effectively anyway. This is not going to be "OK", Marc Faber's "Total Catastrophe" outcome is not merely a financial reset. This is the most probable path of development of what eventually may be tritely labelled 'WWIII'. But this WWIII will not be 'declared' a war, as we just don't do that anymore. It will instead involve pretexts for military strikes to be made (like what's been happening since Grenada), and then it will just unfold like a multi-symptom disease, from there, across whole regions.

And a prime characteristic of this process of onset will be that the mass-media will ignore its implications and development almost entirely, down-playing it, until it's already on their doorstep. Look at Detroit; that's the template in the west. Do you see the MSM going apeshit about it and asking serious probing questions at the daily Beige-House press briefings? Is it a national priority? Or is everyone not wanting to go there? ... nor talk about it.

No, at the Beige House, and on the MSM, they discuss more important things, like giving ~$120 mill USD of your tax $$$ to Al CIAda in Syria, so they can make false-flag "chemical attacks", to expand the warfare, for those who want others to fight for them, arm them, oh, and pay for it all too.  

The Beige-House concurs.

There will be no blitzkrieg, no 'fronts', no forward-area of operations, no clear military objectives, and absolutely no truth, at all! It's also unlikely there will be any sort of distinct end, no "final victory", no parade. In the end no one will even give a damn about the lies of historical narratives of alleged victors, because it won't ever really be over. Yes. we can have a new dark-age, that lasts way longer than a generation.

So what's left to build on, if not some Holy Scripture, or on some Holier-than-thou Statist 'Constitution' mechanism?

What I do know is the vast majority of humans are not very bright, and they don't learn from past generations' mistakes.

Even if people want state authorities to retake control it won't be able to, except in a very limited unstable, and self-serving context. State Authoritah will go in and out, like the tide, for years in many regions, but like Detroit, and other cities, it will be mostly out as the depreciating assets that enable state power fall apart and are not replaced. We still assume these state assets will be replaced, but what if they aren't? See Detroit.

The state can not stop itself growing unless it's already collapsing. Stability creates instability. There will be no anarchists stateless paradise after this, there will be no ideals anyone is pursuing, there will only be trying to live another day. Our situation is fundamentally unsustainable, not just financially. Both Statists and anarchists, and all religions and political ideals will be overtaken by the avalanche of events that statism both created, and then held at bay for so long now, that when the dam breaks, it will break all.

The truth is, no one has any answers, because there are none. These are your good times - right now.

If it takes ten more years, be happy it was not sooner, as when it comes it will be irreversible. If fat talentless people want to sing glib uninspired cover-songs to backing-tapes on boring TV 'talent' shows, hosted by has-beens who cares? Let them, it doesn't matter as none of the current culture is going to survive, this will be a global cultural reset as well, as this culture is simply not the way we'll have to take. Don't take any of the culture of now seriously, it isn't going to sustain us after now.

But let's not complain about how long it takes to decay, unmanageable change, that is also irreversible, is not a good thing to await impatiently for. On a long enough timeline, ... I'd prefer it were a bit longer.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 11:30 | 3534269 Debt Slave
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Hmm gee I wonder where the Syrian rebels would get sarin gas.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 12:09 | 3534353 PontifexMaximus
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Forget about Carla del Ponte, a slightly too ambitious person, producing only worthless papers. Used to be somewhere archived, don't know who the hell took her out of the cupboard. Elle s'entend bien parler.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 12:11 | 3534357 blueRidgeBoy
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I'm sure the Syrians could never be guilty of false-flagging the rebels...at least not here at ZH

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 12:28 | 3534411 helping_friendl...
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When will people wake up and realize the whole Syrian war was started by Blackwater leaving Iraq?

The day the Iraqi Parliment rescinded immunity from prosecution of criminal acts, Americans in Iraq, was the day the Syrian conflict started. It was also the day American tropps pulled out of Iraq and the day iraq gained freedom.

The Shia in Iraq, the majority, pushed the Sunni out of power in Iraq and the Sunni attacked Syria, Alawite Shia.

That is why Obama just made a 10 billion dollar arms deal with Wahhabi Sunnis in Saudi Arabia. The Sauds are terrified of the Shia majority in Iran.

Iran, through Hezbolla, will eventually control the whole region. Since the Chinese and Russians get a shit load of oil from Iran they will be under the Chinese and Russian umbrella on any security council decisions. 

And YES! This is all Gerge W. Bush's fault. If he would have left Saddam alone the buffer between Iran and Israel would still exist. Now that "W" gave Iraq to the Shia....Iran that is.....the buffer is gone and it is just a matter of time and possibly a huge war before Iran ends up controlling the whole region including Saudi Arabia.

And, oh yeah....FUCK YOU BERNANKE.

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 12:57 | 3534522 cynicalskeptic
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W gave binLaden all he hoped for and more.  9/11 was supposed to get teh US all riled up and sending troops into Afghanistan where the juhadists would be picking them off on home turf just like the did the Russians (at least that was the official line - nothign to do with destroying evidence of Trillions missing from the Pentagon and hundreds of billions in unauthorized T-Bills coming due on 9/12)

W not only juped on the bait in Afghainistan he went into Iraq, pissing off the Islamic world who saw rthat for what it was.....Hussein had done hte bidding of the US and Saudis ain standing up against Iran (after the blowback against the US puttin in the Shah led to Khomeini)..... he wanted compensation and took US silnece on 'Kuwait is the 13th provence of Iraq to mean 'go ahead'......oops.   But Herbert Waler left him in charge preferring the desport we knew to a power vacuum and the rise of Iran.....   didn't W check with dad first?  Or was Cheney determined to move PNAC along?

A dozen years later Binladen got all he wanted and  more.  The US spent itself broke on over a decade of war and pissed off most of the Muslim world......

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:19 | 3535287 helping_friendl...
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Let's not forget Reagen. Hated that idiot. Mde "W" look like a genius in comparison

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 12:49 | 3534497 cynicalskeptic
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Thisis what happens when you leave the revolutions to ameteur revolutionariews instead of letting the professionals handle things.    Soem over enthusiastic amateur got their hands on chemical weapons and thought 'turnabout is fair play - why NOT use them is they were going to use them on us'

The pros would've insured that the use of chemical weapons was unequivocally  and undeniaably by 'government' forces - because REBELS would've been killed in a true 'false flag' event.   REAL rebels don't generally kill each other (well, with the exception of those with major secular differences).

Syria Really IS gettign out of hands though... moving faster than planned...wasn't this supposed to be really long and drwn out, killing off any and all who might have taken control in the end... power vacuums make it far easier to stick your own puppet in place 

Bur seriously - What happened to the neo-con script?  Wasn't Iran next up?  What happened?  

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 13:42 | 3534655 ILikeBoats
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Does no one remember Carla del Ponte being the cover-up artist / fartcatcher for Clinton and the illegal targeting of civilians in Bosnia?  Same old psychopaths are at the UN, this is same song, second (or third) verse for them.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 13:46 | 3534667 besnook
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so russia and china send an urgent note to the usa that they are not fucking around, that the usa better get its boy israel under control(israel did not notify  the usa of the attack). 

i read a report that the usa intelligence agencies already knew the rebels were responsible for the gas. i wonder if the ploy is to embarrass israel internationally to further isolate nutandyahoo as a means to get israel to comply with the usa demands to forge peace with palestine. the reassertion by the arab league backing the 2002 peace plan also fits this meme.

 

bibi should give russia and china every reason to blow up tel aviv with the blessing of the usa. that is the only way to get israel to get in line. they only understand violence done unto them.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 13:55 | 3534697 The Heart
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"...was really just referring to the US, and Al-Qaeda, supported Syrian rebels?"

...was really just referring to the US supported AL-CIA-DUH evil killer terrorist army.

Kindly Corrected.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the ranch, Ol Lindsey Williams was on the Dave Hodges show last night and here for your listening pleasure are the links to that show. Might offer some different insight as to what may come next? All for entertainment purposes only of course.

Hr 2:

http://216.240.133.177/archives32/Hodges/2013/05/Hodges_2_050513_220000.mp3

Hr 3:

http://216.240.133.177/archives32/Hodges/2013/05/Hodges_3_050513_230000.mp3

As radioactive rain gently falls...peace be to you all.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:07 | 3534744 Jack Burton
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If I was Vlad, I would have more landing ships full of Marines and a battery or two of S-300 and just to really piss people off, a battery of S-400 anti aircraft missiles, and their attendent shorter range protection missile systems. Land at Tartus and create a safe zone for people fleeing the fighting, use the safe zone to create a refugee camp and fund it's operation until the war is over. Tell Israel that any overflights get the S-400 treatment! Somebody on this earth has to stop the insane US/NATO/Israel string of conquests. Fortress Tartus would be a begining at least.

And Russia has nukes, so they can be pushed only so far.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:06 | 3535565 Element
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Israel bombs Syria because it thinks it can get away with it, no reply in kind. But just like putting MBTs into Lebanon, or Gaza, that too is coming to an end, and the more the Israeli's and US, French and Brits use those tactics, the more it brings us forward to a massive retaliation event, or rather, a whole series of them.

Truth is, these air forces can't help themselves, the air force officers and pilots and their Commanders are totally addicted to bombing objects from 30k ft, declaring it a baddie, and puffing out their chests for a medal. They have no intension of kicking the habit, it's the whole machine that's really doing it. The only thing that machine of cruelty can understand is the total destruction of their home towns and families and close friends. Same in the USA. The US machine will keep doing what it does, pretending they're justified and morally right, until millions of them are also persistently slaughtered.

And their enemies know that's what they must do, they must do what North Vietnam did, kill lots of them, and keep doing it for many years, or the US war machine simply won't stop. There will always be another excuse from some warmongering insane old cunt within Congress, who wants to bomb women and children, who have done nothing at all to them. And there will always be 15 completely mind-fucked psycho 'Generals', itching to slaughter them, on a whim, or on false evidence, or just no evidence at all.

None of the lies and excuses for going to war make any sense when the bombs and artillery are chewing up everyone around you. But there's always the subset who love it, and revel in it, and are the ones who keep the bombs falling, no matter how stupid and criminal it is.

The human mind amplifies everything it becomes absorbed with. It makes it seem bigger and seem more important than it really is. And imagined threats and responses are just a facet of the process, that's simply what happens to military men, as all they can think about and amplify is destruction of the enemy, so they're ALWAYS primed and keen to start dropping bombs and shells where there's no reason or call to ever do so - especially if they think they can get away with it.

Human 'Rights' without accountability can not exist, and so they don't when there is none, and the US military and its politicians are always very keen to avoid prosecution, as is Israel, and the complete scum like Tony Blair.

These same egotistical arseholes who keep talking about "defending freedom" with bombs ("Bomb-bomb-bomb, Bomb-Bomb Iran", etc.), are the same people who are not being held accountable when they lied to destroy the rights and demolish any sort of basic freedom and human dignity within Iraq, but imported mass-terrorism and random death, injury and misery instead. 

But history shows they eventually don't get away with it anymore, because the 'targets' of their weapons also amplify their constant thought to obtain revenge, and eventually the destruction goes back, in the other direction. So I really don't know how or why Israel and US and Europe ever hope to get away with what they've been doing, for so many decades now. They hope a missile defense can 'shield' them, but it's a paper tiger, like the French border defences at the beginning of WWII. It won't work, it will be circumvented easily.

Israel made 'peace' with Egypt only because they lost thousands of tank crews and jet fighter pilots, to their Russian Weapons systems. Israel knew they were in for it soon if they kept fighting it out like that. They knew they couldn't risk getting away with it any more.

And that's where we are going, a time of massive retaliations is coming, and all the US, Israel and Europe ever does is to make it even worse.

Thus, I say they simply can't help themselves, and nor can the doddering 'vet' and pseudo-'patriot' fuckheads, prancing around lecterns in Congress, they're just a bad, totally addicted to murdering people, destroying lives, both domestically, and internationally. It's not just the 'enemy' they want to destroy. They're just grand war-criminals, at large, and they don't even have the decency, honesty and dignity to realize they're very sick and insane men and women, who are really 95% of the whole problem of war and hatred in the world today. But most do in fact realise it.

It would be a much better world if they just choked on a chicken bone and died though.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 19:28 | 3535863 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Element, thank you for posting this and the other comment a little further up the page. I genuinely appreciate your ability to express a big-picture view in such a thought provoking manner.

Be well, my friend; in whatever emerges on the other side of the reset, clear thinkers will be much needed.

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 04:25 | 3536781 Element
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You're welcome, thanks.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:29 | 3534847 AnAnonymous
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'Americanism' is as 'american' does.

The eternal nature of 'americans' pushes them to act relentlessly the same.

Yet, behaviours are recurring faster and faster these days.

'Americans' unable to renew themselves are forced to use the same tricks over and over again on shorter and shorter periods.

When was the last time 'americans' used that trick? 20 years ago? Less?

Not long enough to be ignored through generational obliteration.

'Americans' know that others know 'americans' know.

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