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White House Explains: Obama Didn't Know What He Knew When Everyone Else Knew What He Should Have Known
Yesterday, when we reported that as a result of new disclosures regarding the timing of who learned what, but most importantly when, in the White House regarding the IRS persecution (if not prosecution) of conservative groups, we made it quite clear that the narrative enacted by the White House, which could simply be summarized as "we'll make it up as we go along", was nothing more than damage control in total disarray. Because once caught lying, the best solution usually is to stop lying and tell the truth, tying up all those loose ends that eventually lead to Watergate-type outcomes unless addressed early on. No such luck here.
Instead, the White House has doubled down on its crash and burn storyline and in doing so is merely guaranteeing that the very same conservatives, and all others who would rather not have a very political IRS on their back, who have smelled blood are not going to let go until someone at the very top takes responsibility for what, together with the AP-fiasco, is rapidly becoming Obama's Nixonian scandal.
Sure enough, here is The Hill with the White House's official explanation for what happened: "White House officials were notified of a Treasury Department inspector general report on the IRS but elected not to tell President Obama about it." In other words, neither the IRS chief was aware of what is going on at the IRS (recall the countless "I don't knows" and "I don't recalls") and apparently, neither was the president briefed on what everyone beneath him at the White House knew weeks in advance of the premeditated IRS leak. And in fact, it turns out it was someone else's executive duty to make the decision what the chief executive of the nation is and isn't allowed to know in the first pace. So, maybe we are confused, but just how is Obama the "president" again?
For more on how when the White House finds itself in a hole, it merely keeps on digging and digging, we go to The Hill:
White House press secretary Jay Carney said Monday that Chief of Staff Dennis McDonough and other senior officials knew of the general nature of the report but decided to keep the president in the dark about the report’s finding that the IRS had targeted conservative groups for extra tax scrutiny
Carney said it was the White House counsel Kathryn Ruemmler’s judgment that the matter should not be told to the president, and that she conveyed this sentiment to senior staff.
Carney defended the decision, saying conclusions often change in the final stages of inspector general reports, and that it would’ve been inappropriate for the White House to involve itself in an ongoing investigation.
“To be clear, we knew the subject of the investigation and the nature of some of the potential findings,” Carney said.
“But we did not have a copy of the draft report, we did not know the details, the scope, or the motivation surrounding the misconduct. And we did not know who was responsible. Most importantly, the report was not final and still very much subject to change.”
Carney said that upon learning about the report, McDonough “rightly chose not to take action” to avoid being seen as intervening.
“That’s what any White House should do,” Carney said at the daily White House briefing
So according to the head spin doctor of the administration, what the White House should do is serve as a buffer for Obama, who should take all the credit for any and all correct decisions, but have heard no evil, seen no evil, and spoken no evil, when the implications could be potentially impeachable. Come to think of it, if we were running an unaccountable enterprise, we would do the same.
As for Ms. Ruemmler, or the women who decided what the president of the US should and shouldn't know, or in other words, his superior, should she perhaps be culpable of at least something?
Lanny Davis, a former special counsel under President Bill Clinton, wrote last week that Ruemmler should resign if she knew about the probe of the IRS and failed to tell the president.
Davis, writing for The Hill, argued that a White House counsel must have a keen ear for politics, and that it would have been better to tell Obama immediately of the facts of the case.
"If Ms. Ruemmler did know about this IRS story and didn’t inform the president immediately, then, respectfully, that must mean she didn’t appreciate fully the mammoth legal and political implications for the U.S. government as well as the American people of a story involving IRS officials abusing power and possibly violating criminal laws," Davis wrote.
Carney said Ruemmler and McDonough had only “top line” knowledge of the report’s findings. He argued that some in Congress, including House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrel Issa (R-Calif.), had been similarly briefed on the upcoming report, but chose to sit on the information so as not to interfere.
“Our whole point has been that knowing this was coming does not change the fact that there was nothing we could have or should have done about it,” Carney said, adding that it was wrong to say “that somehow the president should have been notified.”
The bottom line is that it appears the president is nothing but a figurehead, at least according to the White House's own take on things:
Carney said the president wasn’t upset that he had to learn about the report through the media, rather than from his advisers.
“The president believes and has faith that it is entirely appropriate that nobody here took any action to intervene,” Carney said. “Some matters are not appropriate to convey to him, and this is one of them.”
In other words, Executive-In-Chief... except when being Janitor-In-Chief leads to a more palatable outcome. Ironically we doubt the public will be very upset when they too learn, ostensibly through the wiretapped media, that Obama was and is nothing but a charismatic expert at reading a teleprompter, and that those who make the actual decisions, including what the "president" should and shouldn't know, are sitting comfortably, far behind the curtains.
That said it would not surprise us if the broader US population, engrossed in its Obamaphones and Tumblr blog accounts, has already long forgotten not only about this scandal, but that the whole premise of a functioning democracy is to have operating check and balances to those in charge. Which by definition means holding them accountable and responsible when such travesties of justice as those exposed in the past two weeks come to light.
Or maybe, once again, it will all be just Fabrice Tourre's fault...
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A different theory about Obama's election "October Surprise" that failed September 11, 2012.
http://www.politisite.com/2013/01/17/retired-4-star-admiral-blows-whistl...
This story makes a lot of sense, and has the 'smack' of truth to it!
the buck stops with fabrice !
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Hussein Obama is a delusional marxist.
Using that frame of reference makes his decisions, actions, words, and motives almost entirely predictable.
Numbers of the neo-cons who conjured the PNAC during the 90s are lapsed Marxists - or actually lapsed Trotskyists - but whatever else the Obomber is, he ain't no Marxist ... please get over the McCarthy 1950s and the Cold War, when Washington and the MSM convinced the gullible that anyone against the gubbermint, US hegemony and the burgeoning Fascist state was a "communist"!
Oh dear! I wish more people had actually read Marx and knew something about the 19th Century origins of various strands of socialism ... which I can't imagine the tele-prompter Odumber ever did.
Sorry Mr Bastiat, but what the current psychopath is a figure-head for is Fascism, in more extreme form than even Mussolini envisaged, i.e. the complete "bundle" (fasces) of government, corporations and the military.
BTW the Soviet Union was never "communist" and never claimed to be, though the ideology - deriving from Marx - was that 'socialism', via state ownership of the means of production, would lead to the enlightenment of the masses and eventually a Utopian, "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." It was never going to work, but that's beside the point because it has ZERO to do with what is going on in Washington.
CIA agent and FBI informant Lee Harvey Oswald, as pretended Pro-Castro Communist in New Orleans, radio debated difference between Communists and Marxists, at a time while Oswald was subscribing to Trotskyist newspaper and pretending to form his own local Communist cell organization.
It was all part of a 1963 False Flag conspiracy against both Kennedy and Castro, directed by the military Joint Chiefs of Staff, wishing for a Hot War instead of a Cold War.
Oswald the "Patsy" was not the assassin, just the pre-planned scapegoat for the conspiracy.
Well, at least we agree on the observable fact that he is seriously delusional.
And don't say we weren't warned. In Notes on the State of Virginia, Thomas Jefferson wrote extensively about the delusional nature of many of the mulattoes he had encountered and made some interesting observations about the similarities between his observations and those documented during the Roman Empire.
There is nothing new under the sun, I suppose.
Regarding marxism - there are three main activities of all marxists engaged in their war against Western civilization:
1. Attacking private property
2. Attacking the family
3. Attacking Christianity
For better or worse, those are also the three main activities of Hussein Obama and his neo-marxist cabal.
Could it be that Benghazi was really an election scam for obunghole? Could they have devised a plot to actually have the US ambassador captured by crazy mooslims?
Obunghole currently has the one eyed, one armed imam locked up ready to go to trial probably this year or early next year. Could they have purposely placed the Ambassador into harms way, only to be captured?
After a week or two of media coverage showing the US ambassador held captive by crazy blood thirsty Muslims just like the Iranian Hostage Crisis of 1979 the Nobel Peace Prize President steps to the plate.
Through skillful negotiation that only Obunghole can do he works diplomatic magic trading the one eyed one arm imam back to the Middle East in return for the US ambassador.
The world celebrates in joy. Obunghole wins the election in a landslide and cements forever in history his legacy. Obunghole continues on, maybe even somehow getting elected for a 3 rd term even though that is not supposed to happen.
Somehow the kidnapping went bad, maybe a trigger happy radical shot the ambassador by mistake and from there it all fell apart.
Yeah I know crazy but go back in time 10 years and ask yourself if you would think a lot of things going on right now would have been believed 10 years ago.
http://www.politisite.com/2013/01/17/retired-4-star-admiral-blows-whistl...
the corruption will continue until morale improves - or the shooting starts - whichever occurs first
The O'Bowel Movement will start a war to distract America, as the sordid details of the BunGhazi Bunga Bunga of our openly gay Ambassador to Libya come out.......
two words Mr. President, "Plausible Deniability"
Can anyone tell me what percentage of the population vote for these cunts in any given country or election? If a politician gets in with %40 of the vote, is that %40 of the %15 that actually buy in to this crap? I'm very despondent with all this bull shit to be honest with you!
At what age does one realize that voting makes no positive difference what so ever? That it is a parade of one psychopathic lying, cheating, stealing and killing scumbag after another with each election all the same with all the same outcomes?
At what point does one begin to realize that the whole thing, the whole government and political apparatus, is nothing more than a criminal gang of con-men, thieves and murderers using "laws" to enable them to live off one's labor and back while "corralling" one into endeavors that produce the most for said same criminals?
At what stage does one realize that to vote, or participate in any way, is to be complicit in one's own robbery and enslavement while also criminally participating in the robbery, enslavement and killing of one's fellow countrymen?
At what point does one just stop, just quit, just say no and tell them no more and go away?
hujel
IRS is now hunting APPLE:
Apple went to Ireland, and it found a pot of gold. Or more precisely, it managed to bring in $30 billion in overseas profits over a four-year period without paying a dime of corporate income tax to the Irish, American or any other national government
All News:
http://tersee.com/#q=apple&t=text
Impeach that lying black motherfrucker!
Half black, homie. Cocoa colored, really.
A disgrace to both races, black and white
Time for a Special Prosecutor to step in maybe. Straighten this out.
The real sad part is that none of these sleezeballs will own up to anything. Just wait until the IRS has full control over Obummercare. Then the real fun will begin when they decide to kill you off because you don't agree with Communism or The Dictator and they deny you coverage for a needed operation. Don't think it won't happen? Then go back and stick your head in the sand; the quick kind. If the IRS can run amuck and influence an election, what else can they do to Amerika?
Moar? Sorry...it just flows.
"ostensibly through the wiretapped media,"
Prolly the scariest words any media reporter can hear. Lol...the babylonians have been using the propaganda media hors and lackey's on board here to scare the sheeple, now the tables have turned as the babylonians have scared the sheep reporters and news organizations into kow-towing to fear also. Is it justice, or just the fact that this is essentially the death knell for what was once referred to as a free press? (insert sounds of chickens clucking here)
The evil weapon has been turned on itself in the typical babylonian fashion and this is a forecast of the future for the rest of these evil babylonians. This lesson should serve well for those who would choose to live in hell, rather than in the best heaven they can make for their human existence and families, one day at a time.
Worse than Nixon.
Worse than Clinton.
Most corrupt administration ever.
Worst President ever.
I gave you a thumbs up just for knowing the diff. bt. then and than!
Worsethan FDR? Worse than LBJ? Yes.
What difference does it make WHAT I knew and WHEN I knew it!!! I HATE THIS FREAKING CRACKER JOB!!!
Bucket of KFC for dinner tonight for him and Michelle - comfort food.
Bucket of KFC (AFTER a ride in the Choomwagon) for Obowel, and three buickets and a quart of lard for Mooshelle!
You be raycis, bro'.
Moochell....... doesn't she remind you of Choo bacca-the Wookie:)
Of interest...here's Nixon's enemies List:
http://www.enemieslist.info/list1.php
"unbiased" media outrage is reserved for Republicans, not Democrats.
Nixon had Bill Cosby, Steve McQueen, Joe Namath, Paul Newman and Gregory Peck on his enemies list. Seems kind of odd to have these people on your enemies list - they were not so involved in politics. Lots of journalists on that list. Nowadays all the journalists are owned by the government.
Terrible... failure in chain of command? Lower levels not willing to pass information up the chain? Did they play political games to decide not to send info up?
For your sake, or the sake of any animals or small children you may live with, I hope to God you are being sarcastic.
"There are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.
There are known unknowns; that is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know.
But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don’t know."
The more thing change, the moar they stay the same.....
Such as the "unknown" US Government WTC and Pentagon Drone Aircraft attacks on 9-11-2001.
It remainds me English classes. "The brain is an apparatus with which you think you think". LOL.
The disconnect between the country Obama believes he is running and what he is actually NOT running is immense.
Maybe he has not been told that his birth certificate is fraudulent either? Maybe he thinks his father was Obama Sr and that Bill Ayers is just a friendly neighbor.
I wonder if anyone has done a DNA paternity test for the CIA puppet Obummer.
Barry Bong's Kenyan half brother son of Obama Senior is available for DNA comparison.
Choomie the Clown be the biggest gangbanger yet to crash at the crib in DC. Choomie be doing the pipe while gay Kool Aid drinking Ambassador to Libya be gettin' gang raped by the Muslim Brothers.
You see, shit like this fucks up his concentration on the golf course. Don't fucking tell him shit when he's playing golf! Luckily that is only 350 days a year!
He might be a disingenuous dumb lying fuck with zero morals like the whole bunch of lepers in CONgress and the Senate but he is not crazy enough to come out and say " hands up i knew ".
we all know the real culprit. damn bush to hell. all praise our deaar lord and master.
Cannot agree more with you TD. I am already feeling this story being lost among new stories that emerge every day. What is very funny is how many in the media are making it a republicans' fault. Unbelievable.
Where are the morals of just doing the right thing all the time? Its actually very simple and quite easy to do.
The solution is simple really, just kick them all out, its quick its clean, it gets rid of the problem and we get to even have two elections in one term! people want to solve all the problems, but they don't want to kick out the foreign banking cartel and foreign irs that steals our money to pay tribute to the bankers (none of the irs money actually goes back to anyone really....) soo....
Look for things to get worse for Obama at the end of this week and the first of next week as Saturday's lunar eclipse will be hitting his astrological chart hard. Since ancient times, eclipses have been considered bad omens for rulers when their charts are affected. This eclipse, which is square the planet Neptune coincidentally is about values and truth vs. deception.
Who knows ? Babylonians were always big on astrology connections.
For anyone who gives a fuck. This is how youth unemployment manifests itself. They are out in front of the Department of Justice protesting right now.
http://www.ustream.tv/occupycarlisle
Arresting peaceful protestors in front of a church certainly inflames 'social tension', a common tactic of corporatists.
See Operation Gladio in Europe and Operation Northwoods in the USA for further info.
Wasn't Timmay SEC-TRES while all this was going down? Perhaps they should make him testify before the senate. I don't want it to go like it did during his confirmation hearings and the turbotax stuff. I want him to get the full Corzine treatment!
As per the "Racism Policy", are the terms negroe or knee grow considered racist?
I've found myself having to write "knee grow" in lieu of negroe on many liberal websites because "negroe" is now considered "offensive"
Do darkies/negroes/blacks/African American/Knee grows/coloreds, consider Knee Grow to be offensive and racist? More imporantly, does ZH consider these terms banned?
I find it most disturbing that darkies/negroes/blacks/African American/Knee grows/coloreds are constantly changing the terms to identify themselves, therefore making all others
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYCESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
So, a US citizen who immigrated from Egypt is an African-American?
Just call them what W C Fields called them (he wasn't allowed to use the "n" word in his movies).
He simply called them Ethiopians, as in "the Ethiopian in the wood-pile".
Not to worry, we are all racists, one way or another ... like I am a racist against your obvious white (pink really) supreme attitude towards "darkies/negroes/blacks/African American/Knee grows/coloreds".
BTW the spelling is 'negro', pink trash. Or else are you better termed a 'red neck'?
In any case, short of being an albino, you sure ain't white,
Guess what skin colour I have bitchez.
Communist marxist fuck tards. Off to prison with the bunch of ya.
What a very silly comment from a person who does not have a clue, as ZH descends to ever lower levels of content in comments to mostly good articles.
do the aides have to tell him what state or city hes in ?
Possibly, but they definitely have to keep reminding him of how many states there are.
How many are there? ...53? er... 57?
Bob Scheifer on face the nation asked Dan Pfeiffer: "What are you doing here? why isn't the chief of staff here?"
I guess we now know the answer to that question.
The Chicago Mob is making Tricky-Dick Nixon look like a Quaker schoolboy by comparison.
Remember folks, Nixon would have been successfully impeached and convicted had he not first resigned in disgrace. Over Watergate. By that standard King Choom should have been gone weeks ago. Won't happen, though.
If Barry gets impeached, Biden takes his place.
And what a fucking gong show that would be.
Hey ... the comedy show would be well worth the price of admission.
Italy almost had a comedian running the country (Beppe Grillo), why not the US?
If Biden wasn't so dangerous he'd be the funniest thing on network TV today! (With apologies to Betty White)
Biden is the Joker in the pack, based in Delaware, the corporatist state. He jokes, only to hide his ugly agenda. He controls Obama for the banksters.
Biden wants to disarm everyone...so they don't shoot him dead when this whole fiat fraud comes crashing down.
He is too ugly and stupid to be harbored in Switzerland where the BIS view him as a useful Stasi, nothing more.
I despise overfed House cats. So does the BIS.
The old Potomac two-step .... and big bucks on the lecture circuit funded by Goldman Sachs and other Satanic Banks.
no one with an ounce of working brain believes the "i don't knows." onazi ordered the irs terrorist attacks so he didn't need to be told about them - same is true for the chief irs nazi.....on the other hand, if they didn't know, they should be fired for incompetence and harboring nazis.
Yes, Tony.
The Nuremberg Defense was that subordinates simply followed orders, and that defense was rejected for good reasons.
It is unacceptable that the IRS under the command of the Executive Office occupied by Obama attempts to suggest that the entire national government machine is blameless, even though there is clear evidence that it behaved liked Nazis: targeting taxpayers for their beliefs.
One of the questions: 'Tell us the content of your prayers.'
'First they came...'.
newengland, you need a correction to your post. It should read "...it behaved like socialists: ...
If you check history, it's all socialists that see their opponent as an enemy; whether the socialists happen to be nazis, communists, fascists or whatever other name they may call themselves.
Thank you for the reminder, Village, not an idiot.
However, I lived in Britain for decades. I was a Young Socialist.
Churchill rightly said that a young socialist has a heart; an old socialist has no brain...or words to that effect ;-)
This Valerie Jarrett person and her clique are manipulating Obama for their own Internationale, something beyond his comprehension as he was a young idealist man with charisma, and his family were involved with the CIA...so he was chosen by Soros and the Internationale to put a smiley charismatic face on their ugly agenda.
Now, they own him.
Valerie Jarrett: there is Lady Macbeth.
Wasn't the head of the IRS at the time a Bush appointee? Wasn't the boob who was in the top job at the time this made news fired?
IRS terrorist attacks? I call my group "Tea Party X" but it's not about politics, and I have no interest in influencing any political campaign?
This is no different from the politics as usual that the conservatives play with the liberals and vice-versa at all levels of government. Save your crying out for defending beliefs. Politics IS beliefs, and people are on different sides of issues. Government is no longer about policy and we all lose as a result.
I must agree with the tenor of Tyler's editorial here on this issue.
It is horrible to see the President of the USA treated as nothing more than an 'educated fool' to be manipulated by banksterism, and excused by the lower orders who will be chosen to fall on their sword as and when required.
I see Madame Guillotine Valerie Jarrett has awoken, and chosen who's next. She says people are against her or for her. Perhaps it's time for her people to realise that they are against her if they do not obey her commands, however insane...and she is a Nazionist, insanely party political.
Valerie Jarrett, The Lady Macbeth of her generation.
Our dear president will only remain as long as he continues to sedate the nation, as a sedated populace is really his only real objective.
He was chosen by international financiers who plugged into his youthful idealism.
Now they own him. He has a wife and two daughters. He is perfect blackmail material.
We are all a product of our environment, and our upbringing.
Obama spoke yesterday at a college about how he wanted to be the man his father wasn't; protect his wife and children. Those words are laden with more personal responsibility than the young crowd could understand, imo.
Obama's mother and parents were involved with the CIA, and the manipulation of communism (a product of Nazionism banksterism).
I will never blame Obama solely, for the faults of banksterism, collectivism, socialism, communism, corporatism.
They chose him because he is charming - and they could hide their ugly ways behind his likeable manner.
Soros the Nazi who is a major funder of the Democrats chose him. They manipulate him. We are all born into our traditions and families. Some think for themselves. Some don't.
Address the issues, not the individual, friend.
"banksterism, collectivism, socialism, communism, corporatism"! That's effectively a word salad of terms you have not bothered to inquire about, e.g. 'banksterism' is all about ripping off the 'collective' of the 99%.
Socialism has traditionally been opposed to bankster exploitation for 200 years and the ideology of communism is a somewhat miltant off-shoot of the basic objection to that exploitation.
Corporatism is the exact opposite and results in Fascism, e.g. with corporations (especially banks) buying governments and national assets for private profit, at the expence of the 99%.
How come that you have missed the fact that - for at least 40 years - it is banksters who have been destroying societies world wide, NOT socialists ... nor any other 'enemy' scape-goat your fascist government has brainwashed you into believing is your personal foe?
Please wake up! It is Washington and Wall Str which are your enemies. NOT some ideology you never had any real knowledge of, but might have more in common with IF you oppose bankster and corporatism.
Don't you know that Obomber and Congress are bought and paid for by Wall Str and/or the Zionist lobby?
Don't you know that, since the McCarthy 1950s, socialist parties have been gutted and could not possibly run a presidential candidate?
Such corporations as GE, Boeing and Monsanto fund both 'sides' (of the same coin) of US politics, so as to provide the crowd with meaningless entertainment, whilst the military/industrial complex goes about usual business, such as making war for profit.
Ironic that you avoid the issues and attack individuals like Soros, but urge the rest of us to do different than you.
The "Chicago Method" of defeating your enemy (opponent):
Get as much dirt on your enemy, even if you have to make it up, and allow as little as possible information about yourself to be accessed by your enemy.
In other words, demand that your opponent in an election release his tax-returns, but have ALL of your own data locked up tight.
Seems to be working (with the help of the media). People voted for him twice.
I wonder for how much longer, now that he's bitten the hands that feed him?
How much longer? Well, we know what happened to Jack, yet Democrat party pets seem to like sacrificial lambs.
The big idea matters more to them than the humble dispensable great man, it seems.
Let's get serious about the National Debt: $100 each to plant your best punch anywhere on Jay carney's wimpy body... we could make some serious inroads, if he is willing to do the patriotic thing... $5000 for the same deal with Obunga himself... line 'em up... Pelosi alone could really turn it around... and her botox Ms. Dracula mask will stand up to the action...
You guys are all just a bunch of racists. You're just being poor sports because your candidate lost.
Jake you forgot to tag your post..../s
.....thanks for the belly laugh!!!
Come now, for an organization to get tax exempt status, it has to be one that will not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates. How many groups that outwardly identify themselves as "tea party" are not going to participate actively in a manner that is expressly prohibited under the status? It's like painting a target on their backsides and expecting not to get hit.
And this all happened under the watch of a Bush appointee. Oh, perhaps he was conspiring with the current administration.
I see this as little different from the Senate refusing to confirm political appointees - judges, cabinet members. If you're part of the government, I don't believe you can really be unbiased.