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Worried About Global Warming, Then End The Fed... And Other Thought Experiments
Submitted by MickeyMan via The World Complex blog,
Denial of authoritarianism--no, end the Fed
Salon has an article on denial of science by mainstream society. The article asks why people deny the unpleasant truths that modern science has to offer--apparently preferring to chance of the impending hell of global warming and non-fluoridated drinking water.
The thing the authors don't understand is that the general public is not pushing back against the science per se. They like the science. Science gives them big, flat-screen TVs, Blu-Ray players, cars, airplanes, special effects, laptops with more computing power than ENIAC, the internet, and so forth. They love science.
They don't like authoritarians telling them what to do. So bugger off.
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Okay, I'm a little calmer now. There is another point in this entire discussion I would like to mention.
Past environmental issues have been dealt in a top-down, authoritarian fashion. Acid rain and ozone depletion were both attacked, with considerable success, by legislating against the sources. But this only worked because the main sources were few in number, easily tracked, and there were solutions available for the problem. CFCs were replaced by other coolants with less effect on the ozone layer, but this solution was only possible because the alternate coolants existed.
In earlier articles we have discussed the issue of multistability in the climate system. During periods of relative stability, negative feedbacks dominate, with the effect that the system appears to resist changes. The capacity for resistance to change is not infinite, and eventually a tipping point is reached, beyond which positive feedbacks dominate, leading to very rapid change. This idea would suggest that the climate system will resist changes to atmospheric composition for a time, which may be why there hasn't been the warming that was predicted by the IPCC models (pdf).
Governments would like people to stop emitting so much CO2 (through driving, power requirements, and industrial use). Well, alright then. 1) What replacement is there that won't significantly impact on lifestyle; and 2) has the government considered its role in the CO2 problem?
In an earlier article I discussed how the increasing number of disasters in the US is more a function of urban sprawl than any increase in frequency of natural events.
A big part of the reason that per capita CO2 emissions are higher in North America than in Europe is our urban structure--in particular the vast suburbs that surround most city centres. The big suburbs mean lots of people commuting, but the density of the sprawl is too low to favour high-capacity transit.
Big suburbs are only possible due to easy money. With no easy money, working families would not aspire to owning (alongside their bank) a huge home with a vast lawn and with neighbours within 5 m. Without easy money there wouldn't be two or three cars in the driveway.
Governments like this model of city development--it gives people hope, which helps keep the system going. Banks certainly like it--there's a lot of interest payments stretched out over 30 years, and until recently, people would practically starve rather than miss mortgage payments. People imagine they are happy, although I wonder what the future generations will think of people who willingly bought homes that took 30 years to pay for, instead of the more historically common few weeks to months. But I don't think the owners of these houses have done as well on the deal as the government or the banks.
So having created the template for massive CO2 emissions, the authoritarians wish to deny responsibility and shift the blame to their debt-serfs. Because the debt-serfs are refusing to absorb the costs, the authoritarians decry their denial of science.
If you really care about global warming, end the Fed.
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Did Al Gore join ZH? Al, is that you?
Ooooh... really shitty Ad Hominem, we're really impressed.
Wait, did you have something to say other than some stupid lame insult that died a death 10 years ago? Especially since GS spent more money than Al Gore on renewables, solar and batteries than he could ever imagine in the last 10 years, to the tune of around $10 billion?
Let me guess. You didn't even know that. SAD PANDA :(
/culled.
Al is worth $500 mil now you think he gives a shit any more about "global warming " any more.
LOL. Seriously? Al Gore is a playa, fu sure. But he's piddling compared to the real Sharks.
"OH NOES - SOME RANDOM GREEN ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP GOT $10 MILLION DOLLARS!!!11!!!11! THEY MUST BE FIXING SHIT!!111!"
>Top 5 oil companies post profits (not gross) of $4-17 billion per year.
Scale and Math, you don't understand it.
/culled.
one word - Dinosaur!
god is just f-ing with us
Nice stats, but this is old news for guys like me.
I like guys who are smart & informed, but not when they are cockier than me. ;-)
This is merely a lesson.
/culled.
97% my ass, go look at how the author misrepresented other author's conclusions to get his 97%.
I don't care about global warming.
That doesn't mean the Fed shouldn't be summarily defenestrated.
Feel free to live in Jamaica, Queens, "Mickeyman". I'll stick to my clean streets, trees & homogeneous suburb.
Man-caused global warming or "climate change" due to CO2 is bullshit.
Even if it's not, the cost of adapting to it is far less than the cost of preventing it. We run on hydrocarbons right now. Get the fuck over it. When Pons & Fleischman finally make good on cold fusion, different ballgame. But that's not where we are right now.
Frankly, this half-assed argument that "it'll reach a tipping point and break eventually" is a bunch of horsehit back-pedaling by "scientists" who, as per the usual, have no clue why their beautiful models where 'CO2 = higher temps' hasn't worked for YEARS now.
The Fed has no idea the real effects of their monetary policies in a highly complex financial system, what makes you think global climate experts know any more about how human activity affects the far more complex system of global lclimate?
I don't really care about global warming because all the crap they the warmists have been telling us for decades has been... wrong.
No cities under water. No mass extinctions. No food riots. No wars over climate. No mass dieoffs of humans. No running out of food. No running out of natural resouces on a global scale. No deserts popping up in strange places. No glaciers covering the planet. No temperatures going up/down to unbearable levels.
There's plenty of big government plans to fix all these nonexistent catastrophes by either taking away your rights or taking away your money. Note however, that the people who insist we all do less with less - themselves are always doing more with more. Al Gore being the #1 example of how to live like a demigod while telling us to eat less, walk to work, not reproduce, and turn our heat down in the winter.
Climategate was a real eye-opener to the global warming scam. And whenever I see an article that starts out blaming America for all the problems, I get suspicious real fast. America recycles, plants trees, has environmental controls at local, state, and federal levels, cleans up much of its pollution, works hard to preserve wetlands, forests and natural settings, asks for an ecological impact statement before you can as much as build a bathroom, and is generally environmentally conscious across the board.
I challenge environmentalist wackos who write this stuff. How do they live their personal lives? Do they have gardens? Compost piles? Water collection containers around their houses? Do they compost their paper and food leftovers? Do they recycle metal and plastic? Do they unplug devices not being used? Do they avoid using chemicals on their lawns? Do they cut six pack rings up before throwing them out? Do they reuse grocery bags? Do they fast once a week? Do they hang clothes to dry instead of running a dryer? Do they plant a tree? Do they reuse plastic containers instead of plastic bags for lunches? Do they go a day without meat?
These are good things to consider and good questions to ask when reading environmental-alarmist writings.
...You just demonstrated the effectiveness of their propaganda. Whether you adopt it or not, you've certainly heard and retained it. If they can get a majority of zombies to participate, their job is done, and they can drive their SUVs to the airport for a flight to one of their luxurious meetings at exotic destinations -- on your dime.
"...You just demonstrated the effectiveness of their propaganda."
Good point. The fact that most of us unwittingly do accept it shows it's effectiveness. We really have to question where many of the things we accept as true came from.
The effectiveness of what part of the propoganda?
Recycling good. Recycling tax bad. Something like that. I am confused.
When I see an aluminum can in the trash bin at work should I leave it there or move it to the recycling bin or get a stick and beat the person who put it ther?
It's ubiquituos and hard to discern because it comes from the institutions, the marketeers and dotgov. From little things like believing "low fat" means something is "good" for you to global warming. Many things we've accepted as true need to be questioned individually.
Afuckingmen.
Especially this:
"I challenge environmentalist wackos who write this stuff. How do they live their personal lives? Do they have gardens? Compost piles? Water collection containers around their houses? Do they compost their paper and food leftovers? Do they recycle metal and plastic? Do they unplug devices not being used? Do they avoid using chemicals on their lawns? Do they cut six pack rings up before throwing them out? Do they reuse grocery bags? Do they fast once a week? Do they hang clothes to dry instead of running a dryer? Do they plant a tree? Do they reuse plastic containers instead of plastic bags for lunches? Do they go a day without meat?"
I have a garden and two compost areas in it. I have two water collection containers. I recycle metal, plastic, paper, cardboard as well as reducing and/or reusing (grocery bags included) those items when possible. I put a small garbage (actual garbage headed for landfill garbage) bag out for collection once or twice a month compared to my neighbours who put out four to five or more bags a month. Six pack rings get recycled, not thrown out. My computer, modem/router, and television (sound system too) are all on power bars that are turned off when not in use. I dont' have a lawn to use chemicals on. I fast on a regular basis. I have plans for more fruit trees (and maybe even some chickens). I brown bag it every day ... mostly ;)
The Fed and easy money must continue, or we could all die. Let me explain...
If the Fed goes down, and easy money stops, then we all go through a spell of depression. In a depression, airplanes will stop flying. The three days after 9-11, airplanes were forced to stop flying and the diurnal temperature increased 1.8 degrees over North America during the grounding period due to the lack of contrails and pollution. It is assume, a two degree increase in global temperature sends us to the tipping point, which will very quickly lead us to a six degree increase. Six degrees equals death to nearly all life on earth.
I know the government is aware of these types of figures. They don't just print money to give away to their friends. It's also a stalling tactic until Earth fixing solutions can be found. A carbon filtering product needs to be made and used before the Fed can end, or it's death to everyone.
Wow. Quite the formulation you got there. Zoloft, Amphetamines, and Prozac, with a bit of Oprah, I'd reckon.
Tipping point. All life dead when we get +6 degrees. Almost worldwide catastrophe if G.W.B didn't save us by letting the planes fly again.
Did I miss anything?
He forgot to add all of the asshole airline pilots like my neighbor won' t be able to plunk down $150k for his-and-hers BMWs like they just bought. Think of the ripple effects.
I wasn't ever really talked about:
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~rennert/etc/courses/pcc587/ref/Travis-e...
very short: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v418/n6898/abs/418601a.html
Some say 400ppm is our tipping point (already passed this) others say a 2 degree increase in temp (we are close to this) is our tipping point. Then we hit positive feedbacks (we are already seeing those now), a rapid increase in temp and more positive feedbacks = The End.
A tipping point measured in degrees is very different than a tipping point measured in CO2 concentrations.
only problem there hulksta - those predictions of death and destruction are like that free beer sign I saw the other day...
FREE BEER, ALL YOU CAN DRINK - tomorrow only
run a model from a real point at present and it tells you something crazy happens far out into the future, after the model breaks and cant account for even an approximation of reality any longer. that's what happens when you have GARBAGE as your black box numbers meat grinder.
So why do we care? fewer people are reproducing, the gay society is pretty much symbolic of a terminal sociology. Abortions are ever on the rise along with birth control for twelve year olds. So many seems to be urning for depopulation. If you look at the way most of the world is living and what they value, I think global extinction is likely the idea all along. It almost seems like the liberals are just wanting to save the planet, not so much us. They seem to have a low opinion of most of us anyway so not much of a loss in their minds.
ZIRP ---> CO2 + Tax
One of many reasons why they won't stop it: Destroying the environment gives them an excuse to regulate everyone to death. Problem-reaction-solution. Google Agenda 21. Plus, a world fiat currency with built-in demand from carbon credits and breath taxes would be too profitable to pass up.
Wrong. Cities hate suburbs. Suburbs tend to be more conservative. Urbanites tend to be liberal. And because the suburbs are spread out, they are harder to control and tend to foster a sense of independence (though not as much as rural land).
That's why the whole UN Agenda 21 thing is there. To shepherd people into apartments where people can be better controlled and are more dependent on government.
Even so, ending the Fed is a good idea, but not for the reasons you said.
I don't speak in this tone too often, but you Global Warming deniers are fucking stupid. You think millions of the smartest people are Earth are involved in a giant hoax? I'm not going to debate this, but God is that fucking stupid.
Yeah, and the economy is too having a recovery!
So stick that in your big giant SUV and drive it.
calm down hulk you're breathing up all my air. :gasp: :cough:
millions of the smartest people on earth have gotten us to exactly where we are today. Fucking brilliant, each and every one.
Before Copernicus, Most of the smartest people thought the sun revolved around the earth. There was that whole flat earth thingy too. Smart men thought woman got orgasms from intercourse (possible, but not hardly). Woman not getting orgasms and needing the release were referred to as "hysterical", luckily, that term was taken out of the smarty pants psychological dictionary in 1949.
"Smart People" still think Keynes makes sense and entrust whole economies to his incoherent babble.
"SP's" still think GMO's are good for you, Doctors treat with drugs instead of healing, Academics are still incapable of functioning in real jobs.
Do you see a patern developing here?
Being smart is completely useless, if you aren't useful and productive. Doing and believing what other sp's do and believe does not make you smart, it makes you part of a herd that parrots what the leaders say. This is not smart.
Now, if you have any intelligence at all, you would realize that science deals with incomplete knowledge and is forever adding to or proving previous theories to be inadequate or just plain wrong.
I can guarantee you, the day they prove global warming, we will already have been suffering the consequences for fifty years. Because some people are so smart, they're stupid.
I wonder what the future generations will think of people who willingly bought homes that took 30 years to pay for, instead of the more historically common few weeks to months.
Here is a fine tudor style cardboard box for you young folks! A great fixer-upper, and with your new job paying the princely some of $6.50 per month you will have positive equity in just a few days.
It's ironic to read global warming articles when it snows in upstate NY on memorial day weekend
upstate NY
Whiteface Fucking Mountain. About the same altitude as your knowledge of upstate NY.
Snow - though very brief and recorded at the airport only - in Syracuse too - that's midstate NY. Although I would agree Whiteface does not count - that's straight up Adirondacks where it's 'anything goes' weather.
I've had season passes to Iceface. What's your point?
Whiteface in the ADK is certainly not indicitive of "upstate NY"
Not uncommon to snow at Whiteface this time of year at all fuckface.
But since you must live in the ADK, you already knew that.
Hell,
We still have PLENTY of snow on the mountain tops, much more then usual.
Of course human-induced climate-change is happening. The basic science behind it is so simple that even most of the conspiracy-tards that hang around this site should be able to grasp it - i.e.:
But here is the thing: I WELCOME climate change. I hate the cold and have always believed that the earth, in general, is way too cold for comfortable human habitation. I look forward to a much warmer future where quality vinyards exist in upstate Minnesota, where people don't have to dig their cars out of the snow each winter in Idaho, where folks can swim comfortably in the Great Lakes 9 months of the year. Sure a few places are going to get a bit too hot for comfortable living - but those places are marginal desert area anyway like parts of Arizona or Texas and no one is forcing folks to stay there.
We need to start looking at global warming as mankind's greatest gift to this planet - and one that keeps on giving!
After a quarter century of that bullshit, it's about time you noticed that the theory, however elegant, doesn't match up with actual observations.
I also welcome our new whatever it is.
But seriously. The earth gets warmer and/or cooler all the time. A meteor strike or a viral pandemic could set it all right again and wipe all of us pesky humans out. One good scourge deserves another ;)
"That rise is accelerating."
Try again.
Global warming means more boatable waters. Bring it on.
One reason, and maybe it's the main one, for a delay in the effect of CO2 in global warming is the absorption of CO2 by the oceans. Unfortunately, this is resulting in a rise in the acidity of ocean water and the slow demise of the world's reefs and shellfish.
CO2 levels have been rising ever since the beginning of the industrial age.
The "threat" of manmade GW is the greatest scientific fraud in history. In fact, the planet is no longer warming. Our biggest climate threat is another mini ice age. But the life-hating leftist losers will find a way to blame that on capitalism, too.
While it is difficult to list all the ways in which this writer is an idiot I like his conclusion...
You sure have drunk enough of the Al Gore 'Global Warming' Kool-Aid to write this drivel. Who do you work for - the government? It's all BS that autos are causing Global Climate change. Try HAARP, and other technolgies in possession of the good ole' US of A, other Western powers, and Russia and China. There is enough darn petroleum in this earth to power a million more burbs for a billion more years. Petroleum ain't a fossil fuel, it is a renewable resource like everything else in the Earth. Water doesn't come from dead trees, neither does Petroleum. Keep on drinking the Kool-Aid Jim but don't try and slip it to all the Joneses. I'm horrified that ZH now posts this mindless horse manure as 'News'. Europeans have been serfs for 3000 years, and so have no problem being herded into their gulag hives and pay taxes that even King John would not have extorted from his serfs. The burbs are not a result of easy money (except for the ones that have sprung up since the turn of the millennium) but a product of low taxation. People had disposable income that they saved to buy houses and have themselves a bit of land to grow some grass and plant some flowers. So you want to turn the American Free-Men into Euro serfs? SHAME ON YOU!
You are a pretty confused puppy....
Signs, petroleum is a fossil fuel, of that I am sure having worked as an exploration geophysicist for the first 10 years of my career.
After reading this article, I'm not seeing where ending the Fed gives us environmental stability. This article is reading more like "Let's get the Zerohedge guys on board with our cause celebre by linking it to things they're interested in."
I would like to see the Fed lessened in the way Ron Paul described - start by demanding a 1% cut on every dollar spent. Let the government flunkies come out and defend that.
Don't like genital warts? End the Fed.
qe lasts longer than herpes...
Stop the butthexing desouling of American women! End the Fed.
And the Author is.......
Another UN Agenda 21 short-sighted "twit". (Either that, or a laughable sarcastic smartie.)
What is the planet made out of? (not CO2.) What are humans made out of? (Not CO2.) What do trees etc live off of? (Not CO2.)
Could this be science? OR is this a further "plug" for "Blood and Gore's" Central Bank underwritten Global Carbon Tax FRAUD, which was sanctioned BY the UN, with other governemts signing on BECAUSE the additional taxes are going to "General Revenue" and being split up to pay the Central Bankers and Blood and Gore more money, with more revenue to yes, your local/provincial/state/federal TAX REVENUE. Which is already allocated.
Global Warming,,,Global change,,,,Hey, "Global Extremes". It is all extreme. What is going to be the next catch phrase? Handy slogans, for some more junk science.
How about something real? Global poisoning,,,,Monsanto, and tooo many other names.
"Poison the planet, and you get to poison the people. Poison the people, and you get to poison the plant."
Still, funny article Tyler.
Cheers,
Pens,
For the record: this thread delivered COMEDY GOLD.
When the Climate Deniers met real Science, they... ran away and junked.
Seriously folks: you're fucked, and it's better just to embrace the wave rather than putting your fingers in your ears. And no, God does not care. He kinda hates you.
That comment explains a lot about your perspectve as well as most of your fellow travelers.
Nope. You've been warned, repeatedly, since about 1995 how this plays out. I was warning the UN & other governments about fish depletion and what the inevitable end point to it was back in '93.
Remember the parable of the Ant and the Grasshopper?
So, yeah, not in your interest to give me that shit. You had 20 years. You did nothing with them. Cry me a fucking river. I hope the plastic toys from China were worth it.
If bitter pills could stop climate change you would be your hero. Your exact attitude that has been continuously demonstrated by your contingent has done more harm to your cause than all the "scientific proof" you could ever conjour. Constant contempt for anyone who would dare argue does not grow concensus among anyone but lemmings. But I suppose when you are desperate for a following, you can't be too picky.
Nope.
The point <------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> You.
It's called Satire and taking the piss out of people. If you don't get it, I'm more than happy to post you some really fucking scary papers that lay down just how many people are going to die in the next 50 years (and yeah, fuck the handlers, I'll get in trouble again).
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW BAD IT IS GOING TO GET. You might want to Google "gigadeath" for a reference. And trust me, if billions are dying, not believing in science ain't your saving grace.
This is the polite way of informing you.
are you mdb's relative? like the irritating, pompous cousin? the only interesting point (liberablly applied definition here) you made in your dozen or so rambles was to mention aquafiers... now either expand in a clear and consice manner in a way your fellow posters can dissmeninate and proccess or shut the fuck up... your arrogant bullshit has already ruined this thread... if you want to argue facts then argue facts and keep the fact that you despise your fellow man a secret between you and god.
Here's the secret: My points only had to refute what was put forward. If there was no substance barring aquifers, then the OoRah crowd HAD NOTHING TO SAY.
Feel free to read any of my other posts in other threads and judge for yourself if they have content.
i really admire you sticking around here in the face of such imbecilism...
AGW is just a cult that wants to give all their money to Goldman Sachs. Get a tin cup and head down to the airport already.
Too funny... The sad thing is that you actually believe it...
only child? or raised by wolves? your inability to get along seems to require certain professional care that is not offered at this site.
Though I did make one disparging remark below it was directed towards the quality of the post (which sucked) rather than any position I hold on climate change.
I recognize that climate change is happening (notice I didn't use the word "believe") largely based upon my own reading and personal observations (live in Canada and have been far north).
However I can understand why many deny its validity. Since Galileo has there ever been a scientific observation so disputed? And both the yea and nay sayers have a vested interest in propagandizing their point of view. There is tons of misinformation out there from both sides that makes it difficult for a layperson (including myself) to wade through and come up with an informed opinion.
It bothers me that people define themselves as either "believing" or "not believing" in climate change. Its not a deity or a religion but a scientific model that you can argue for or argue against or even construe a new model.
I do wonder who benefits from the general public's lack of understanding of these issues and if this lack of understanding is being purposely promoted.
Climate change is happening. For millions of years.
It was sunny today and will rain tomorrow. Next week rain and next sun. Spring summer fall winter. Cold. Warn. Cold again and again. And warmer again.
It was supposed to be sunny today two days ago but when reality got here it rained.
A different kind of nice I would say.
LOL. And evolution is false too eh.Tard of the week award.
Russia to evacuate drifting polar research station
I went ahead and ran a search on it.
Interesting reads ensued. I am reminded of a certain Zarathustra who likened man to a bridge.
I'd be happy to drive a few extra miles a day if it guaranteed Al Gore and you would be one of the first to go...
If we're all gonna die, we might as well get some enjoyment out of the deal.
Bring on the dreaded cull...lol.
i'm not up to speed on the fish depletion topic, but interested to understand more on it.
is this a legit source? [pdf]
Erectile dysfunction? End the Fed.
If we could only live the progressive FoxCon lifestyle! No need for a car or lawnmower and have an incredible social network to fall back on, or did they take down the suicide nets yet?
Most people don't want to live in high density chicken coups, and never have. The vast majority of people have always lived rural when given the choice. But of course the progressive society dream has little to do with choice.
If you really care about global warming, you're a freaking moron.
This is all BS. The burbs aren't the major consumers of energy. The major consumers are cities. Subway systems consume twice the energy per person as if all the passengers drove Cadillacs. A home in the burbs with a car consumes very little energy at night. Not so Downtowns. All the pumps, fans, lights, and infinite little power parasites consume around the clock. This is not to say that cars can't be more efficient and homes, too, but cities are gigantic consumers of electricity and they produce nothing.
It is getting easier and easier to spot the bullshit "shill" articles posted by the now maintream Zero Hede. This article is definitesly ij tne lower 10% of all articles that I have read in Viet Nam.
The climate changes. The climate is like a woman...you think she's gona get hot - she get's cold; you think she's cold - she's hot.
It's nature you fucking fucks. We all acknowledge the fact our planet went through an iceage, but that shit melted so something heated up mother Earth besides humans....right? Maybe that fuckin ball of fire in the sky called the sun, who knows what that mother fucker is doing.
Fuck the carbon tax, it's not going to do shit. Fuck Al Gore he's just trying to be a rich white nigger.
Critically think for yourselves.
Global warming is BS.
Its just the globalists latest method of seporating you from your Fiat. Nothing else.
+1C
The glaciers are melting? The entire planet was a fucking glacier at one point. Most of it melted before we grew brains.
Yea...another tax or regulation is going to fix it right? You stupid fucking cunts. You're arrogant to think you can control the climate.
Get over yourself...you're not god, you're not omnipotent. No matter what you do you are subject to the proclivities of the planet and solar system.
And climate doesn't lend itself very well to 100 year predictions.
Did the models get the last 15 years correct?
No. The models got it wrong.
The earth is COOLING not WARMING
But we need another fuckin tax right? If we raise taxes enough the climate will stop changing right?
Fuck off.
You brainwashed piece of shit.
...before we grew brains.
That's debatable as well.
Summers, the next FED head is gonna fix global warming, don't you worry.
yeah, he's gonna shoot $200B a month of those new C-notes from the space shuttle to block out the sun's rays.
whatever hits the ground is the inflation we get.
the goldSACK boyz will frontrun by leasing a squandron of C-40's and a shit load of fishing nets.
End the Fed and end global warming. Really?
Its just damned depressing that we live in a world where so many are assumed to be idiots and must be manipulated and "governed" for their own protection. Are we really just slightly smarter livestock to be managed? Our largely self appointed leaders tell us collectively we are special and unique with much to offer, but individually we are fools and criminals that must be directed and corrected when straying off their predesignated path. When things go horribly wrong, it is never the planners or scientists fault, it is ours. We must adjust, conform and pay for the correction. We have not had a free economy and society for a hundred years at least, so if our government controlled corporatocracy has screwed the climate or economy or our very savings and property, we must pay. Any adjustments for a theoretical fix to climate change will cost us dearly and if in thwenty years they are found to be wrong, it will be glossed over with another pending disaster while a few more elitebwill become incredibly wealthy. This is how it has always been done. So color me sceptical. We are the livestock and will be treated accordingly.
don't let raving lunatics ruin your day... there are more raving lunatics in any square mile of land than there are days in a year
When things go horribly wrong, it is never the planners or scientists fault, it is ours.
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The servants to the WeThePeople are 'american'. When things go horribly wrong, it is an 'american' thing to cast responsibility elsewhere.
See the 'american' middle class, when pointing out for their huge contribution to the global climate change, they must cast responsibility on somebody else.
'Americanism' structurally is built to allow dilution of responsibility.
Kings in the past acted on a unity of powers: they had the authority to rule and rule by themselves.
'Americans' saw the flaw in this system as it centralized power and responsibility, affording little room to reject responsibility when things go horribly wrong.
'Americans' decentralized the act of ruling and the authority to rule.
The authority to rule is to be found in the consent of the governed, WeThePeople aka the 'american' middle class. They are the ones who empower their servants with authority to rule.
The act of ruling is to be found in the actions of the servants to the 'american' middle class.
Therefore, by adopting this decentralization, 'americans' afforded themselves a loop system to dilute responsibility.
-it cant be the master's responsibility, they only deleguate their own power so that their servants can act
-it cant be the servants'responsibility, they dont act on their own behalf but in the name of their master, the 'american' middle class.
This divide, used to avoid taking responsibility is a feature existing since day zero of 'americanism'
A endless pingpong game to be played between the master and the servant to avoid taking responsibility when things go horribly.
Get used to it. This is an 'american' world and this is the way things are dealt with.
When Chinese citizenism citizens are going to human up and see themselves as they are?
'AnAnonymystical' gorus love to discuss dead knowledge as if it was vivid, in a way to reject the Chinese citizenism world order they have brought to the world.
'AnAnonymist' Chinese citizenism citizens, always playing victims when they are the victimizers. Bully style...
Got to worry about that big bad global warming where temperatures haven't icnreased in what is it, 1.5 to 2 decades now and the "science" used by these supposed scientists is shown to be bunk and they even admit to fudging data,,..but hey, that's kook talk because people who claim to be scientists NEVER have an agenda (even when the evidence comes out that they do) and anyone who claims to be a scientist can NEVER be wrong.
I get so annoyed at how so many sheeple take scientists to be infallible and treat science as another religion.
I also like the people who go on about climate change/global warming ingore this thing called the sun and how it pretty much controls everything and the fact there are recorded extreme weather periods before the 20th century (and all the big bad human causing CO2) proves this. I guess though it is easier to just make everyone feel guilty and look to tax/control them than accept that.
Then there is this belief that every scientist says global warming is a fact (and thus anyone who doesn't believe it is just a kook who hates science) even though last I saw there is a huge division among the science community when it comes to this sham.
Oh and a volcano erupting causes more CO2 and other crap in the atmosphere than all the human amount combined for a year. I guess they need to find a way to lower voclano eruptions or tax them....
I get annoyed when people post on topics that they have zero knowledge of.
To wit, this blackvoid post...
1. End the Fed! Via due process if possible, with terminal prejudice if necessary. Cash, barter, PM and Bitcoin only. Fuck 'em!
2. The only place on the planet where science and religion don't get along (we'll bracket out the Muslim fundamentalists) is in the US of A. The oil cartel has a total strangle hold on Protestant fundamentalism, when it comes to global warming.
The reason that Aurora is right about us/you being 'screwed', is that we've created the next Mass Extinction. Whose outcomes will be very, Very ugly. And, sorry to say, ain't no Jesus or god/God gonna save your sorry ass. And for those fringe elements who think that the Ruling Elite are lizards (or their hybrid descendants, LOL), you DO realize that your terra-changing/desertification activities are only playing into their hand. For their colonization.
Not to offend, but next to the Enterprise, the Shock & Awe shows of the Bible is child's play.
Time to grow up or perish, earthlings.
Silly article, becoming more commonplace as ZH grabs further for the MSNBC crowd. Two quick thoughts:
a) The single best way to stop CO2 emissions, as a famous holy man once said, is to 'SHUT THE FUCK UP'
b) The collapse of the honeybee population poses a much more serious threat (at one point the earth was a quasi-methane ice-ball -- just look at the nice progress we've made)
We are already on the edge when it comes to climate change. One tipping point is the ice in the arctic sea. It could become completely ice free this september, but more likely in 2015.
If the arctic sea remains ice free during late summer/fall it will have a significant impact on the weather for the northern hemisphere.
This will trigger methane release from the thundra and sea bed.
Will this mean that it will get warmer? Locally it could as well become much colder.
That's the problem with you AGW "science" types is that you can't make up your mind (warming or cooling) so let's go with "change". What you fail to comprehend is that you cannot prove any connection between CO2 (which is necessary for all plant life by the way) and climate change that is any different that anytime in the last 2000 years of recorded history. Our system is complex and goes through cycles that you cannot fully explain (especially with a singular CO2 focus). Greenhouse gases are composed primarily of the horrific element H20.... that's right, WATER...
1. Globally there's no less ice
2. The methane release theory has been discredited multiple times. Stop making a fool of yourself.
And most importantly:
3. There is neither correlation nor causation between the level of CO2 and global temperature
The relentless drive for a Carbon Tax by the same folks that brought to the world economic swindles on a global scale securitizing and shrink wrapping sewage and stuffing it your childrens crib while they slept.
Peak Global bullshit hucksterism pawned off by paid off pseudo scientist. Barnum was correct, there is a sucker born every minute.
Everybody can see chemtrails in our skies.
Chemtrails block 20% of solar energy from reaching earth.
The massive amounts of toxic aluminum nano-particles used in chemtrails
eventually fall to earth for processing by plants and animals.
As usual when it comes to CO2 the argument is a non sequitur, but if it ends the fed, go for it.
If you wish to End the FED you should do what you can. Larry Summers the criminal of the 2008 collapse and responsible for the death and destruction of millions of human beings is about to take office.
Or..... we might just acknowledge that CO2 concentrations are poorly correlated with global temperature changes, and that there are more polar bears alive today than in the last half century.
Some scientifically challenged trolls roaming this site that down arrowed you as you are 100% correct...
Utter BS!
What enables the american way of life is the imperial tribute paid by the rest of the world via the dollar system. Basically, the US can buy oil on world markets for FREE.
Not much longer though.
"Governments would like people to stop emitting so much CO2...."
Wrong. Governments would like to tax you for breathing. If they actually cared about the environment, they wouldn't impose 30% import taxes on Chinese solar panels.
Anybody else notice you hardly see anything about Anthropogenic Global Warming, Global Warming, or Climate Change in the mainstream media anymore?
Global Warming is over. Goldman Sachs sold off their Cap and Trade business a year ago. That was the signal to me that the big boys were bailing.
In a few years Global Warming will be forgotten like Disco, Acid Rain and the Cold War. Nobody will announce it, it will just fade away.
+1 that's because it always was a HOAX and SCAM. AGW doesn't exisit. Proof of their fudging of the numbers (and being found out) is never talked about either. But politicians are still spending money on it and mandating regulations that are killing all sorts of industries. The EPA is nothing more than environmental nazi organization with near limitless power to create new regulation based on the many "acts" written into law by the congress. Pathetic...
Pump and dump.
Yeahbut
... the new taxes introduced and justified by Global Warming (sorry, Climate Change), are still there.
And MSM don't mention that either.
Not to mention gasohol. Al Gore was responsible for foisting that boondoggle on the American public. A few months ago he admitted that it was a total waste of money, and that he knew it when he was promoting it. But he figured it would swing the farm vote his way and win him the Presidency in 2000.
I don't buy this hypothesis.
Blaming central banks for the emergence of urban sprawl and its global warming consequences is like blaming TV manufacturers for the amount of time people spend goggling at junk TV and blaming car manufacturers for the number of miles people drive.
It's "people" who buy a home in the suburbs, a TV and a car.
My own personal theory is that Global warming and cooling may have something to do with the giant fucking furnace we circle.
and the rather glaring omission by a lot of folks that in most of these models, the sun's output is whittled down to one representative number, TSI, that isnt even a comprehensive assessment of the sun's effects, i.e. it doesnt capture the UV differences well, because hey that doesnt matter quite so much.
toss in the fact that we dont have good solar models,
cant predict volcanism,
and for the "here be dragons" parts, we have a substituted CO2 bogeyman coefficient.
then folks wonder when the models cant predict SHIT and tell us the sea will rise 20 meters 100 years from now.
Global Warming recently changed it's name to Climate Change. Sort of like the other scam artists profiting from all the Bullshit and keep changing their names (Evergreen Wind, First Wind, UPC Management, UPC Group, UPC family of companies (wind/broadband/petrochemical and now solar) of which the bullshitter who caused us all great consternation (and Harvard too), Larry Summers, who is part owner of the aforementioned (First Wind).
Back in 1998 I wrote a publication on renewables. I had unfortunately used an theoretical assessment regarding the POSSIBLE damage associated with AGW from this individual:
http://www.iahe.org/iahestaff.asp?did=54
that showed the theoretical economic cost of Global Warming. At the time he was a Nobel Prize Nominee. It was theoretical and noting more but the scamsters saw the money that can be made by MANUFACTURING A CRISIS.
I write about this subject frequently as a contributor at another econ/financial site and love the work and science presented by Anthony Watts et.al. at wattsupwithat.
AGW is pure bullshit and the science proves it.
and the only rebuttal to the collective efforts of Watts et al is "he's a weatherman" or "our pal peer review process wouldnt accept these for publication because they disagreed with our preconceived notions"
always staying away from actual substance
You guys getting into your circle jerk?
The very same Anthony Watts who trumpeted a "landmark" paper last fall only to see it withdrawn because denialists like McIntyre walked away from because it was *SO* flawed....
you troglodytes really will latch on to the smallest thing and make a huige fucking deal out of it.
you're just still butthurt from mcintyre calling out the bedrock of AGW because of its glaring statistical rapings.
Oh this same McIntyre???
http://deepclimate.org/2010/11/16/replication-and-due-diligence-wegman-style/
And associated links therein. You do understand what scientific fraud is, do you?
The only one latching on to the littleist things are the deniers given the overwhelming consensus amongst trained climate scientists...
I dont want to hear you bitch about mcintyre having to do his own reconstructions, when the dudes inputting shit into their black boxes refused to be open about their mostly publicly funded work and the only way to do any sort of fact checking was to try and figure out how the frig they exactly got the crap they came up with.
the pal review process was absolutely captured, Penn St gave Mann the same treatment they gave Sandusky - a pat on the back saying "thanks for all the money you brought to the school" - it is disgusing at the whitewashing of fraud that has been done with the climategate stuff.
but hey, that's all irrelevant emails, right? nothing to hide, indeed.
nice radiative forcing contrivance on that page there.
I know what scientific fraud is, and people like Mann, Hansen, Schmidt, Briffa, are all egregious examples.
More evasion of the facts on your part....
So, it if AGW is so clearly wrong then you should be able to explain in a logical consistent scientifically factual manner why it is wrong....
Why don't you do so, we would all love to hear.
The ones that really want to hear it are those climate scientists that are scared shitless by the implications of what they are finding and continue to find....
"scared shitless of what their models are telling them"
fixed for ya
Oh my aren't we clever.
And still nothing resembling a scientific argument from you....
Models predicting 100 years into the future are the furthest thing from scientific.
Why?
Broecker did a bang up job of predicting where we would be in 40 years back in '70s....
Google it.
This article is full of shit to be honest. The largest land owner in the world if you look it up is the US government. 80% of the land in the USA is still undeveloped. People do not live in the large cities because of two reasons. First the crime rate and second most cannot afford to live in the large cities as their real estate cannot be had at current wages.
The author's call of the burbs and their emissions is not backed up by any real data. Most industry is located in our cities.
Most industry is found in right to work states, not cities which are primarily controlled by liberal Democrats who love to punish private enterprise.
The great industrial backbone of large cities was desroyed by the left long ago with Cleveland and Detroit being very good examples. But the sad list goes on - Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, Rochester, Syracuse, Dayton, Youngstown, Canton, Flint, Scranton, Springfield, Buffalo, Charleston, etc.
Cheap money alone did not cause the migration of city-dwellers to the 'burbs. The migration, which began during the 1950s, was greatly encouraged and assisted by the governments' building of the Interstate Highway system. People and businesses always relocate to where transportation exists (else how would they get there?). Prior to IHS, more people travelled on mass transit of various types, both inter-city and intra-city. Towns typically sprang up along the railroad tracks. Today, towns spring up along the highways. Many 'conservatives' support the IHS because they cannot figure out how they would get from one place to another without it. They shouldn't support it. The highways could not be built without extensive use of eminent domain - the taking of private property, including homes, from people for so-called 'public use'. That, and the IHS, are socialist shams.
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/met_office_apology.jp...
UPDATE from my last post at Tue, 05/28/2013 - 06:56...
Larry Summers in top spot to head FED.
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/3b5311e6-c232-11e2-8992-00144feab7de.html...
Google (search uning key words) Larry Summers First Wind. Then look up all the UPC entities I mentioned.
Then watch this video.
http://www.necn.com/searchNECN/search/v/39575587/twib-paul-gaynor-ceo-of...
More Here:
http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q12012/obama-contributors-and-the-...
An extensive investigative article is currently in the works so stay tuned...
Wow, "End the Fed" and "global warming" Threads wrapped up in a single story. Tyler(s) I love it.
Number of reads/comments highest I've ever seen.
Complete and utter bullshit. Agenda 21 anyone?
Let us be sure that the writer of the article a) hates the US and b) isn't quite aware of the dying decrepit shithole that is the UK (apologies to Ireland, Scotland and Wales). The UK has been dying a slow death and is now exacerbating the demise what little is left of its greatness by importing homicidal maniacs and giving them a free pass to do as they please (machete killing the other day) all the while self-flagellating for the greatness they acheived...instead of making it clear that maniacs like that fuck are caught and executed, the military is warned to not wear uniform or other 'pro military' garments. My God, what the fuck. Talk about blaming the victim.
The ultimate socialist/liberal cesspool - where centuries of social advancement have been given away for insane and otherwise brainless hypothesis on everything from allowing the scum from third world shitholes to come in and tell them what is wrong with their 'way of life' to foisting perhaps one of the largest scams to be seen on the planet, AGW. Here's the liberal mind set in a nutshell "We can hypothesize it, so it's true. Now don't question us."
To borrow a phrase..."sod off"
What's sad about all this...the majority of the US population has been so dumbed down, and is now so fat (me included) and uncaring that we're allowing the same shit to happen here. If you want to see where we're headed...look 'across the pond'.
Ideological nonsense...
“German meteorologists say that the start of 2013 is now the coldest in 208 years – and now German media has quoted Russian scientist Dr Habibullo Abdussamatov from the St. Petersburg Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory [saying this] is proof as he said earlier that we are heading for a “Mini Ice Age.”
“Here in Britain, where we had our fifth freezing winter in a row, the Central England Temperature record – according to an expert analysis on the US science blog Watts Up With That – shows that in this century, average winter temperatures have dropped by 1.45C, more than twice as much as their rise between 1850 and 1999, and twice as much as the entire net rise in global temperatures recorded in the 20th century.”
"According to scientists from the Pulkovo Observatory in St.Petersburg, solar activity is waning, so the average yearly temperature will begin to decline as well. Scientists from Britain and the US chime in saying that forecasts for global cooling are far from groundless.”
That report quoted Yuri Nagovitsyn of the Pulkovo Observatory saying, “Evidently, solar activity is on the decrease. The 11-year cycle doesn’t bring about considerable climate change – only 1-2%. The impact of the 200-year cycle is greater – up to 50%. In this respect, we could be in for a cooling period that lasts 200-250 years.”
And wait for the next solar max, if you can call it that - predictions is it will be far weaker than even this one. Long igloos, I'd say...
this is a weak double-dipped cycle.
and people are sitting here curiously wondering about why the jet stream is doing funky things, when in 09, 270+ sunspotless days, '10, 230+ somewhere around there.
sunspots are where the explosions come from. NASA just measured the upper atmosphere fry and jump and shed heat off into space from one of the last good CMEs we had in march.
but hey, that sunspot funk...nah, that couldnt have anything to do with it. couldnt have had anything to do with the polar vortex we had last 2 years that kept batshit cold up there from mixing like it "normally" does - jetstreams acting wiggly weird past year or two.
nah, just a coincidence, its really the amount of CO2 we're producing that's responsible for these changes. LOL /sarc
What this site has come to...
Came across this little visual on the ice extent in the arctic from 1979 to current, each circle drawn is the ice extend for that year, as measured by satellite data. (melodramatic/stupid music, suggest muting it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KAhq-l0LUio#!
This is a Chris Hedges speech at UWO, "The State of Journalism", part of which speaks to the failure of schools teaching students how to think critically.
Warning....Might make some of you anti socialist, anti liberal, anti Marxists folks see red....lol (pun intended...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KAhq-l0LUio#!
hat tip Jesse's Cafe
(ooh I can just see the junks coming my way for this post....lol)
Salon is light weight, poorly written and poorly researched on the subject matters. Equivalent to light weight editorials of back water old fashion newspapers..... sometime those articles are fun to read, like the Info Wars site (and the NYT....) but not to be taken to seriously. Investigating journalism is NOT their forte.
Tyler if your going to reprint articles of this "ink" how about you look on the Truth Dig or Propublica Site, there are some interesting reads to be found at those sites.
Don't forget immigration both legal and illegal! Who loves it? Bankers! People living up the street from me are from Bosnia. Some members of the family work at a bakery. They have 4 new cars/trucks in the driveway, a good-sized above the ground swimming pool and a large boat/trailer. Do you think they would have these in Bosnia? Welcome to America, "a dollar down, a dollar a week" - the land of serfdom....
Carbon dioxide acts as a coolant in Earth’s atmosphere, says new Nasa Report
http://iceagenow.info/2013/04/nasa-study-shows-co2-cools-atmosphere/
Follow the money...
"Follow the money..."
Like when DuPont's patent on freon ran out, and all of a sudden it became a threat to the ozone layer?
Shhhh.
Don't say that...You'll cause disruption in AGW brainwaves.
We needed a new patented coolant to replace one that could be made generically without royalties paid.
See? Earth all fixed until the next 'Crisis'.
We NEED a Carbon Derivatives market to 'create more wealth'.
Oh yeah, ...And to save the polar bears.
Sad polar bear :(
in the upper atmosphere, moreso.
down here it does have a small warming contribution. to overstate that and say that's why the earth has been warming is...akin to reaching for your wallet. it is dishonest and anyone that says the math proves it is looking at a complete bastardization of statistics.
The greenhouse gas theory holds that 50% of the 240W/m2 of outgoing longwave radiation is absorbed by CO2 and directed back at the surface. 1) Nevermind that the properties of CO2 make that impossible, that makes 240 + 120 OLR next time around, then 360 + 180, and so on and so on. This theory is perpetual motion and goes against the first and second laws of thermodynamics. Energy is not created out of nothing. 2) At that rate we would all be cooked to death in a matter of a day, proof that the theory is false.
Water vapor is 95% of atmospheric gases and has a negative feedback, it is the thermostat, the oceans are the drivers, and the sun is the source.
Oh boy...
Call the Kochs, tell them a simple lab expiriment costing ~$500,000 can overturn the physics of AGW... I am sure that they will back you up...
Do you think there is a reason that experiment has not been done????
Look up Dunning-Kruger while you are at it..
so you're insinuating you've got a wall full of credentials?
the only reason you know what DK is, is because someone insulted you with it.
I do have a B.Sc, M.Sc. and Ph.D. in Physics... I suppose that would qualify as "wall for credentials" in a physics related discussion...
As for DK, there are no shortage of asshats here exhibiting the effect.... Any mention of science seems to bring them out...
No run along you are clearly out of your league...
Besides, you were going to explain why AGW is wrong using something along the lines of the scientific method were you not?
yeah, go ahead and change my words. I pointed out some stuff the models dont capture or model well at all, but hey, that's quite allright because our given started out with "man's contribution to warming via CO2 has been firmly established" just like the IPCC mission statement, and you continue on from there.
so instead of speaking to swiss cheese models and (terrible) predictions thereof, let's keep this on an ad hominem level, where you can actually make an argument.
really all you're doing is...wait, I saw this with healthcare - show us how to fix the healthcare system by providing a link to healthcare.gov!
really, all your phd tells us is that you are severely steeped in university culture - arrogant and smart enough - so smart in fact, you dont even have to think for yourself. your professors believed, ergo you believe.
does it make you feel like a big boy actually getting the opportunity to tell someone else "run along and play now" instead of always being the snot nosed recipient?