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Is Obama Lying About Big Brother?
As of this moment, Obama is making the case that the US government is not eavesdropping on phone calls. Specifically, he said "nobody is listening to your phone calls - they are just looking at phone numbers and duration of calls" and concluded that the NSA was only engaged in "modest encroachments." It was unclear if that clarification was meant to put to rest fears that Big Brother has made personal privacy a thing of the past. He further went on to add that the telephone surveillance program is fully vetted by Congress and supervised by the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA). In other words: Obama is making the case that the NSA's Big Brother supervision is perfectly legal and not only that, there are checks and balances and neither the telephonic snooping nor the internet supervision is anything to be concerned about. There is one problem: Obama is lying.
Back in April 2009, three months into the Obama regime, none other than the NSA admitted it has overstepped its legal boundaries. As the NYT reported: "The National Security Agency intercepted private e-mail messages and phone calls of Americans in recent months on a scale that went beyond the broad legal limits established by Congress last year, government officials said in recent interviews. "
Several intelligence officials, as well as lawyers briefed about the matter, said the N.S.A. had been engaged in “overcollection” of domestic communications of Americans. They described the practice as significant and systemic, although one official said it was believed to have been unintentional.
The Justice Department, in response to inquiries from The New York Times, acknowledged Wednesday night that there had been problems with the N.S.A. surveillance operation, but said they had been resolved.
As part of a periodic review of the agency’s activities, the department “detected issues that raised concerns,” it said. Justice Department officials then “took comprehensive steps to correct the situation and bring the program into compliance” with the law and court orders, the statement said. It added that Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. went to the national security court to seek a renewal of the surveillance program only after new safeguards were put in place.
The same Eric Holder who is currently being investigated for perjury before congress. As for "compliance" 4 years later it seems nothing has changed.
As for Obama's clear conscience:
The legal and operational problems surrounding the N.S.A.’s surveillance activities have come under scrutiny from the Obama administration, Congressional intelligence committees and a secret national security court, said the intelligence officials, who spoke only on the condition of anonymity because N.S.A. activities are classified. Classified government briefings have been held in recent weeks in response to a brewing controversy that some officials worry could damage the credibility of legitimate intelligence-gathering efforts.
Well thank god the most transparent administration held classified briefings to discuss the biggest government espionage program ever conceived. One may have gotten ideas otherwise...
Finally, on Obama's pinky swear that it is only foreigners' emails and iMessages that are being intercepted, turns out he is lying here too:
In recent weeks, the eavesdropping agency notified members of the Congressional intelligence committees that it had encountered operational and legal problems in complying with the new wiretapping law, Congressional officials said.
Officials would not discuss details of the overcollection problem because it involves classified intelligence-gathering techniques. But the issue appears focused in part on technical problems in the N.S.A.’s ability at times to distinguish between communications inside the United States and those overseas as it uses its access to American telecommunications companies’ fiber-optic lines and its own spy satellites to intercept millions of calls and e-mail messages.
And so on.
In short: what difference does it make - it is only the stripping of the most fundamental privacy rights of US citizens! And how else can you build a totalitarian government if you don't give up some freedoms - good heavens, one can't ask the poor president to provide 100% security without experiencing some "inconvenience" and handing over a little privacy. Or a lot.
In the end, let's not forget what really matters: the NSA spying program is from the government, and it is here to help you.
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Finally, here is Matt Damon explaining why he wouldn't work for the NSA:
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That is a purely symbolic gesture. The suit will be tossed out since it is more than likely that the companies were granted immunity from law suits and prosecution in exchange for their cooperation with the government spying program against US Citizens.
I believe this would serve as a perfect example of what Mussolini described as Fascism. The merger of state and corporate power.
If you still think america is a free country, then you simply have not been paying attention. That myth has been long shattered.
If it gains widespread visibility it causes quite a predicament, and would be hard to toss. Then you end up with a few options that don't look too great.
Settle - admission of guilt.
Go to trial - we see how deep the rabbit hole goes
then
Innocent - admission that your rights under the constitution are not longer in effect, despite clear evidence of a violation of those rights.
or
Guilty - bye bye.
So why not help to make more people aware and make sure it gets the attention it deserves rather than just writing it off straight away and continuing to piss and moan on ZH without actually doing a damn thing?
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipatate.
LMAO...I'm stealing that...
If it hinges on the seizure aspect, they can always claim to have volunteered the data, as I recall Facebook claiming it did once upon a time.
The nigger issue is of course that the court/"justice" system in which the suit was filed is just another branch of the same government, one in which there is no possibility of controlling the executive branch, even in the highly unlikely event that the judicial branch had any desire to do so... Don't antagonize your boss.
It's a possibility, but it's hard to see how it would hinge on seizure. If Verizon have nothing in their terms and conditions about sharing data with the NSA, named specifically or not, they find themselves in a very precarious position. T&Cs would have to be very detailed in exactly which information is shared.
This is not exactly like the Facebook case as this data is carried entirely on their own private communication networks rather than a public and open network like the web. It's also dynamic data, rather than static data, so has to be intercepted in realtime. In short, there has to be greater effort to share. Verizon might very well want to side with the case for the prosecution in order to exonerate themselves, saving their reputation and claiming pressure from authorities, although that might also open up a can of worms for them if any 'incentives' come to light.
What is most interesting about this action however, is that it is not being pursued by some Joe Public type with a grotty little blog and an armchair understanding of legal proceedings. This chap is a former US Justice Dept prosecutor. His legal costs are going to be small if he represents himself, and even if not he'll have the appropriate and sympathetic contacts within the profession. This will hopefully save him from the usual bully boy tactics of attempting to make it too expensive to persue, and help to strengthen his resolve.
alien-IQ said:
Read it again, because details matter. No companies have been named as defendents. The suit is against government officials.
Of course, their first trick will be to try to get the suit thrown out for "national security" reasons, which trumps all laws, all judges, and the constitution itself.
I bet he gets re-elected for a 3rd term too.
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Huhwhat? We're already in the middle of his fourth term.
We've had an HNIC (Head Nigger in Charge) in the White House since 2000. You got that right.
Don't think for a minute that Bush wasn't someone's chickin' n' biscuit eatin' Uncle Tom either, right?
A father wrote to his son in prison that he wished he was free to help him dig up the yard to make it ready for planting.
The son wrote back and told his dad not to dig up the yard because this is where he had buried his murder victims.
The prison officers intercepted the letter and wentto the father's home and dug up the yard but found nothing.
The father sends a letter telling the son about how the police had come over and dug up the yard.
Son replies that it was the best he could do under the ircumstances.
Nice "tool" nuance.
A number of things: sending a report to a handful of senators is not fully vetted by congress. And not that it would matter. It's still a violation of the constitution. Dianne Feinstein be damned.
They have tested the spin and seems to be falling on: this is approved, this nothing new, the "benefits" outweigh the costs (which we don't know because it's all classified), and don't worry because this specific incident only referred to "harmless" metadata.
It's not approved. There is an ammendment against it. Your secret court is nothing but a rubber stamp. Feinstein and Saxby are not "Congress". It's so much data that you can't possibly be tracking or thwarting anyone in real time; this can only be used as a database to intimidate people. No one believes you when you says you're not recording messages and phone calls (and microphones and skype or FaceTime calls). And the metadata is EXTREMELY dangerous. It's like having someone's digital DNA and planting it on a crime scene. OR making a connection to terrorism and throwing down the gauntlet of the entire unaccountable justice dept, us military, intelligence agencies, and banking regulation has to bear. And not with any hard evidence. Just suspicion.
But thank god, He weighed it. He found a balance. He doesnt bother telling us what that is/was. But He decided. We've been saved. And if not for that snake in the grass "leak", we never would have known!
At this point, if you're a liberal and you don't feel betrayed, you're not a liberal. You just a regime cheerleader. This was everything classical liberalism stood against: autocratic government. Shame. But embrace your inner libertarian. After all, they're from the same classical liberal tradition.
"At this point, if you're a liberal and you don't feel betrayed, you're not a liberal. You just a regime cheerleader."
By that criterion, there are no liberals in this country. Feeling betrayed would involve criticizing the state and the leader, which are part of "your" team, at the moment. It is impossible, they'd rather die.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/06/06/watch-top-u-s-intel...
Sorry that it's Forbes. But good writing nonetheless.
Here's what reporting to Congress looks like. It's looks like lying directly to Congress.
IMPEACHMENT.
You have everything you need: the abuse of power, instructing people to lie to congress, and public desire to punish those that don't cover up your abuses.
And if the republican party was even the least bit savvy as the minority party right, they'd bring the charges up in the House. Force an investigation and put the executive on trial. That alone sends the message that they cannot do as they damn well please. And it destroys his legacy. It gets it on record.
But no. It's because the power hungry slobs in the republican party LOVE the imperial presidency. They want to preserve it to get their man in there.
So now the government is protecting us from the liberty and freedom the country was founded upon?
Ouroboros strikes again!
"paper and pencil" lindsey williams
It is be reported that credit card data has been collected too. I guess the IRS will now know how much PMs you have, unless you paid in cash? The machine is built and now they are turning it on; welcome to the police state jackasses!
run these bastards out of town
yesterday
Wow, the President is more out of touch than I could have imagined:
Yeah, that's exactly what a huge and growing segment of the population has been saying since even before you took office, Mr. President. You are either grossly incompetent or a malicious charlatan, in either case you're not fit to lead.
Also, just because the Constitution doesn't specifically forbid you from doing something doesn't mean the people consent to your right to do it (ie record everything we do, but don't touch it unless we need to look it back up later!)
Article quote source: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-makes-defense-of-surveillance-pro...
obama and his regime talk good and do evil.....has he EVER spoken the TRUTH..... he is a prime example of an ordinary person becoming evil when they identify with evil ideology...... his bobbleheads and their simpleminded trust in the salvation value of stubborn devotion without regard for specific, varying factors, already harbors the first germs of totalitarian contempt for reality and factuality.. HOPE AND CHANGE
Ironic that he chose Matt damon, one of Obama's guys. I wonder if he believes what he acted then.
Matt Damon grew up living next door to Howard Zinn. I would venture to guess that has been a greater influence on his view of the world than any candidate he may have endorsed.
Many people that once supported Obama has come out swinging against him in the past few years. Most notably, Cornell West and John Cusack. I suspect there are many more.
If you want to view somebody solely under the narrow scope of a politician they may have once voted for, that would be your right...and a mistake.
No need. Damon can and has spoken for himself, making it quite clear that he's 100% dyed in the wool blue-team lefty trash. Like "anti-imperialist" Howard Zinn, who like all leftists, for all his ability to criticize the state, never once considered an anti-state position, and maintained that (across 10,000 years of history) the problem is merely that the bad guys have the power... Well golly-gee, who'd a thunk it? Maybe there's a causal relationship here... State power ... Evil scumbags ... Hmmmmmmmm...
That depresses me. Until now I've been a follower of Damon's films. His apparent Lefty political views will influence my opinion of him, greatly.
Question is are they Collectivist or Individualist ?
Obama...The right guy at the right time for the progressive police state agenda to be shoved down America's throat. A true believer for those who pull the strings.... Romney, Bush and Clinton never could have gotten away with the illegalities we have seen under this President. The media would have crucified them, and the agenda couldn't be pushed forward. Now they are still essentially silent as are the RINO's who seem quite happy with the way things are progressing (Progressively).
Chief Justice Robert's was so shaken up he couldn't even administer Obama's swearing in oath properly and had to repeat it later in private, I always wondered about that. Later on Chief Justice Robert's votes against Arizona on illegal immigration and for Obamacare. I always wondered about that. Things are progressing (Progressively).
Well, I remember that the police state got a very healthy start under Bush, and there were darned few people protesting the Patriot Act (sic) at the time. Republicans were especially enthusiastic about their own imprisonment.
Glad I'm not a Republican, Rusty. Ron Paul railed against the Patriot Act as the only honest sole voice.. There are few honest people who are party ideologues that complained then or are complaining now.
There is also a difference between starting something and taking it to the nth degree like Obama has.
Good points. We now know how they got to Roberts. They PRISM'd him, found out something he wanted to hide, and bingo - Obamacare is constitutional. Same thing with Petraeus. "Ha! You got PRISM'd!"
Obama Prism'd his way to State Senate (getting divorce records unsealed - sex scandal), Federal Senate (Sex scandal against Ryan)....seems his rise to power and holding power has been one sex scandal after another. Funny thing is we can't get his records unsealed. Odd.
The guy, Obama, is seriously delusional.
Barry is a FUCKING LIAR.
The NSA records all phone conversations.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2319789/ALL-phone-calls-US-recor...
The JD just provides the dates, location and time and the NSA provides the conversation.
Technically, the JD is not "wiretapping".
"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part. You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it — that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!"
Mario Savio 1964
ZH contributors have in fact posted a number of times that people need to "go off shore" with their cyber stuff. Get offshore...
Email, Browser, Server, etc. Just like ZH itself does. When enough people start boycotting the USSA SW products, maybe the exec in Silicon Valley will "grow a pair" and fight back.
/ Are you grokking finally this? /s
For sure, you can offshore hosting your websites (eg ZH) and even keep a mirror in another offshore location. And you can offshore to an SSL secure e-mail service (eg I do) etc etc. But you cannot offshore your access to the Internet. Therein lies the weak link. The information they can harvest about your Internet activities is quite substantial. Using a TOR browser can provide a lot of privacy when accessing websites, but there's no guarantee that your TOR Exit Node is not being run by the NSA or CIA. Using someone else's Internet access is pretty good for personal privacy (eg Internet cafe, Wi-Fi hotspots or just looking for any unsecure Wi-Fi LAN etc).
is he lying?
obviously.
does the general population care?
not really.
I was reading the comments on some of the MSM sites and 90% of them were of the "if your not a terrorist you've nothing to worry about" variety. it was unbelievable how quickly main stream America went from "this is just tinfoil hat conspiracy nut bullshit" to complete apathy on the confirmation that nothing you say, type, view or visit is private.
it took less than 24hrs for the sheeple to accept that big brother is not just watching you, but is violating every bit of space both digital and actual that was once considered sacred and private.
funny how the population here in the land of the free accepts being lied to, robbed, spied on, violated, beaten, criminalized, marginalized, murdered and enslaved while the Turks go nuts and hit the streets en mass over a park.
and the sheeple have the blind, willful, myopic ignorance to call them uncivilized savages while they continue to take every dehumanizing serf training violation this ultra corrupt, psychopathic, control freak death worshiping "government" serves up without so much as blinking.
the population in America is the frog in the boiling pot, only they are to distracted by I-crap reality TV bread and circus, to socially engineered, to strung out on prescription poison and frankenfood, to attached to mcmansions and rolling status symbols to even contemplate jumping out.
What doesn't he lie about?
If we have arrived here WITH a Fourth Amendment that protects the security of our persons and papers, where would be be WITHOUT it?
Yes, he is lying. Look at Teaparty targeting by IRS. NOW, do you believe Obama?
So Obama has two young juvenile daughters and a child molester stuck his hand down the front of their pants would he be able to use the it's "only a modest encroachment" defense?
I've said it before and I'll say it again. "Obama is a carefully crafted plant by the corporate elite and the military industrial complex". The man IS a "Black Bush", in fact he is worse than the "White Bush".
This man was picked and groomed before hand by the elite. He was sold as the alternative to Bush. They knew people were fed up with the 8 years Bush administration and that a good Republican was unlikely to win a presidental race. So, "what to do?" SIMPLE, you bring on a fake, a tool, a black, an alternative who would talk a game of "Change", yet a man who would double down on the Bush agenda, while selling the liberals and democrates his fake agenda. Throw them a bone or two that really benefited other interests, like Health Insurance Companies under the guise of a fake health cae reform bill.
This is classic bait and switch. Obama is ranging around the world killing on his own accord. Obama is doubling down on the police and secret police state at home. He has upped the military spending. upped the spy spending, upped the surveillance spending, and is poised to cut social benefit spending while feeding printed trillions to bankers and hedge funds via the Fed.
This man is a liar, a fake, a plant, a Black Bush gone wild. He is an enemy of all honest Americans, he is a friend to liars, crooks, cheats, bankers, war mongers, spy masters, arms makers, killers and police state thugs.
This is one of the great swindels of the new century. Obama the Black Bush is a killer and empire builder. The facts speak for themselves. He funds Al-Qaeda and Sunni Jihadists around the world. He is a neo-con war monger. He is a friend to bankers and hedge funders, the street and the crooks. He will fuck the American people up the ass and smile that shit eating grin of his. And 90% of Americans buy into the insane two party bullshit story that we have a choice and a democracy. Vote? For one hand picked elite thug or vote for the other hand picked thug look alike. Some choice! Some democracy! Some future! Debt slavery and police state thuggery. That is America.
great post...well said.
Jack Burton - this BY FAR the most articulate comment on the topic I've seen on ZH and I've been here a while. (I know you've said it before but today you are 100% on your game.)
Interesting too - when I green arrowed you it instantly showed '3'. I guess two other people could have hit the arrow simultaneously, but it makes me go hmmmmmm.
Standing Clapping Jack.
If you want to blow your mind, ask yourself how many times you've heard the words "Calls may be recorded for quality assurance purposes..." when speaking to a Corporation or Government department, and for how long this has been going on. (5 years? 10 years?).
The recordings are used by algos to pattern match your personality to the correct script / voice actor which you'll respond to the most positively, and used to mine when / where homo sapiens exhibit stress / emotional involvement during conflicts. e.g. Your gas bill is wrong; the algo will be tracking your anger levels and attempting to diffuse them through later tweaks to the scripts. If it hasn't already happened, you can probably automate this at some point; think of Disney cartoons with actor's voice overs. Only need to record the lines once, then...
Obama is slick because he has algos run on his responses (to focus groups) to see which plays best. In fact, all major companies PR departments do this, or outsource it to "Reputation Management" companies. Obama is nothing more than a cypher here; they used to get old school actors to do it (hey Ronnie) they now train them specifically. (Or did you miss the part where Bush Junior went from eloquent northern accent to good old Texas homeboy fuddled speech? Interesting.)
This is also why Fox News anchors and the like are so often "much more intelligent in real life". If you need links to any of this, please do your own search; the real deal is algos are used to mine your voice data for emotional and cognitive clues (part of "we can see your ideas being typed"). It's not exactly new. (But, of course, the organic version is just a science fiction tall tale... Unless you've empirical proof otherwise, of course.)
p.s. ook ook peanut allegy tests? Really? <Worth a look>
the rabbit hole runs much deeper than what's being peddled in the press.
speaking of the press, ever wonder why news sites have comment sections?
see "Reputation Management" above
Meh, again, not supposed to say this. It's that +18 point of the evening!
Base levels are so open to vocal modulation, I feel dirty when I do it (let alone the glamor stuff - hint to watchers, it's not tragic, it's called not responding to juvenile usages of it, and playing the fool to analyse ability, it's not fucking difficult. Oops. Mis-step there, meine freunde. Lighting them up like a cocaine hit through humor & glamor is kinda easy to me, so you missed the engagement factor); you'll note that TV and so on actively only engages with actors who can't do it. (There's a few, on Stage, who use it. Won't see it on the big screen no more though).
That feeling when music runs a chill up your spine, and the hairs stand up on your arms, that delicious non-rational quiver. It's well known, and makes a lot of money.
Oh, sorry - did you need an example? That's a 100% produced factory level usage of it. Harmonics, visuals, selected song, image of produced star and all.
Since Hitler, they're real wary of it in speech. Licensed only, Adverts only, no thinking for yourself, read the script, just for sales. Morgan Freeman: Titty Sprinkles. (Get their joke yet? Black Man, Free-Man... yeah. It's that lame. You still think he has the Voice of God though, don't you?). They tend to crack down, real hard, on the 'people' who can use it to dominate, even if we don't use it for the old ways. Old school, proper reflexive slavery, we can make you kill yourself with enough crack to the tone. We're not acceptable anymore; spreadsheets and data and panopticon is so much safer.
Would you kindly...
And you thought this world wasn't about the Lions, Tigers and Bears. Fucking Monkeys - peanut butter trials, go fuck yourself, I'm just playing nice. I think your term is... "Don't Step on Me?"
p.s. This is an example of the natural version.
Pillar to bloody post.
what does it make me if that cher loyd song DOES NOT run a chill up my spine?
otoh, this does...
AEM, Have found the trips down your links enlightening over the past few days.
Info Off the beaten path, grazie
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check this out:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/55749
Interesting. I've had the feeling the shit is about to hit the fan since Obamas bizarre, distracted debate performance. Now, with a new scandal daily, perhaps it is coming. And FLOTUS seems like she wants to bail.... Sumpins up.
Are his lips moving? I guess he lies when they aren't moving too.
"Is Obama Lying About Big Brother?"
That's a rhetorical question, right?!
He's a bought and paid for pol, of course he lies, shit we know he lies. How's this:
That he has gone on TV to lie about it just ramps up how big it is and shows they are hiding even more--the iceberg effect.
Dear listening intelligence services, Please let me know if my wife knows whether that thing under my socks in my dresser is a butt-plug or not. Thanks, and warm regards.
How ironic that China and the US are to discuss China's role in cyber hacking. It's laughable if it were not so serious.
It would be better if we all used in posts a number of the Department of Homeland Security's trigger words that they released at the end of May.
I'll start us off:
Dirty Bomb
Ammonium Nitrate
Pork (yep - it's on there...)
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread950664/pg1
I like this quote from Obama today:
"Nobody Is Listening to Your Telephone Calls" Yeah, but they sure are recording the hell out of 'em.
But don't fret, the guillotine is listening as well.
Dear listening intelligence services, Please help. My computer crashed and I lost all of my files, especially by collection of fake Britney Spears porn--she's still got it man! Could you please upload your copy of my photos back onto my new computer. Thanks, and cold regards.
Yeah, who needs Carbonite when you've got the NSA?
More than twenty years ago, when working for a large corp in Darpa days, the packets all routed through Virginia. Going from line of sight buildings in Silicon Valley the tracert info went across the country. Now they can just tap directly into everything, and that is why Utah was built to consolidate it all.
Congressman Delivers Epic Indictment of Obama – in 1 Minutehttp://investmentwatchblog.com/congressman-delivers-epic-indictment-of-o...
H.R. 2217: Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Act, 2014
Passed 245/182
Rep. Bridenstine [R-OK1]: Yea
Vote
On Motion to Recommit with Instructions: H.R. 2217: Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Act, 2014
Failed 196/226
Rep. Bridenstine [R-OK1]: No
Vote
On Agreeing to the Amendment: Amendment 42 to H R 2217
Failed 196/225
Rep. Bridenstine [R-OK1]: Aye
Vote
On Agreeing to the Amendment: Amendment 40 to H R 2217
Agreed to 224/201
Rep. Bridenstine [R-OK1]: Aye
Vote
On Agreeing to the Amendment: Amendment 38 to H R 2217
Agreed to 287/136
Rep. Bridenstine [R-OK1]: No
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Of course in my world the fact that he is a pol is all that I need to know.
Sort of like when a girl at a bar is showing interest in you, but then you realize that she's a hooker. Regardless of whether you're into that or not, it sort of changes the meaning of anything she has and will tell you. And like the pol, she too is trying to fuck you for your money, but in a more pleasurable way.
Noted: ZH really doesn't like tables, so it ended up as a text splurge.
One criminal scumbag calling another a criminal scumbag. I'm getting dizzy!
Dear listening intelligence services,
As you probably already know, I lost my new puppy. I am so worried and he's all out there alone with out me. I am begging you to pay attention to any phone calls you hear that mention finding a lost puppy. He was a lite-brown, dalmatian-chiguagua mix with a large gray spot right under his chin--so cute--and answers to the name Bibi.
Thanks, and cold regards.
HE IS LYING ABOUT EVERYTHING.
GROW UP.
If Obama's lips are moving, the Kenyan minion is lying.. What did people expect? An unknown Barack Obama aka Barry Soetoro with his entire background sealed tighter than Fort Knox... He was put in the White House to complete an agenda for his masters... His hatred of the USA & the American People were the perfect mixture of disaster...
History will judge Americans very harshly for not doing more to stop Obama... No, history will not be kind to us.. We all know how this story ends & yet we still do nothing...
Yet another Hindenburg filled with Obama's hot air.
"Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Administration seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know what no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end.
One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.” GO 1984
"The object of persecution is persecution...."
Yes, 55 miles per hour, EVERYONE is doing 70. Now the police can pull over ANYBODY because EVERYBODY is breaking the law. If you drive 55, They'll pull you over because you are driving suspiciously.
This is what I mean...
"'Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?' said Dr. Ferris. 'We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it.
There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible
for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now, that's the system, Mr. Rearden,
that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.'"
Ayn Rand ('Atlas Shrugged' 1957)
Time to dump some sand in their gears. Use the DHS keywords as much as possible, visit AQ websites, watch AQ YouTube vids, etc. Gum up the works.
Oh, and increase your life insurance. No knock raids usually end with dead innocents, including family pets.
"modest encroachments."
kinda like being just a little pregnant
Flashback to 2007: Obama’s Speech on Warrantless Wiretapping
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-Rdi_RNRpdk
This asshole will say anything, anywhere and then the complete opposite when it suits him. Total lying c*nt.
it is in the job description.
doesn't matter. a vast majority are happy. boogie-down-wonderland has got flat panels and suv's and huge refrigerators filled with junk, while paying with snap cards and never working a day. the rich get thrilled as their stocks go up and up and up with no decline in sight forever. so - whatever was a middle class has no more voting power. they don't exist. add to that the constant bringing in of 3rd world people promised work, but, if no work, no worries, big bad bama has your back and will put you on the snaps too. so - it doesn't matter what he says. matters what he does.
how did we get here?
I liked President James Madison's use of the word "encroachment" better: - "I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."
Now Benghazi is just about completely buried. The scandal that Obama and Hillary feared is now heading off the radar. Seems a good deal was pushed out on purpose to dilute and facilitate congressional committees chasing in all directions.
Something really, really bad was about to be discovered.
Time to drone the most serious threat to this country... a despot... mentally unbalanced, arrogant... repeated attempts to attack our financial system through weapons of mass destruction... a homosexual member of the muslim brotherhood, supporter of Al Queda in Syria, a fascist radical nutroll... he has used many names and identies... some know him as Chakka Caca Ali-Obunga.
If Obama had any integrity at all he would resign.
Guess the people will have to remove him as integrity is one word not in his extensive vocabulary
If had any integrity he wouldn't need to conceal his past. But his election proved that doesn't matter to most people.
Hussein Obama is a delusional marxist. The opposite of integrity.
As I recall, post 9-11, as the Patriot Act was being debated, restrictions were put in place to make the PA acceptable for passage in Congress. The general provision was targeted survailance of individuals with a history of behavior that justified more intense survailance, after a FISA court hearing.
At the time, criticism against the PA was government over reaches when given greater power. The Progressives/Dems/Socialists/Leftists crowed it was appaling to give such powers to the Bush Administration.
Who knows how much more thos powers would have been expanded under Bush, at this point, what difference does it make?
What we do know and what does matter is Obama and the same ilk that squealed like pigs about government abuse of the PA during the PA's initial formulation are lo and behold those who have taken the PA to that abusive level secretly without any of the debate that occured when the PA was originally enacted.
Yet, even with this enhanced survailance where we all give up a number of Constitutional Rights without any due process, did it do anything to stop the Fort Hood terrorist attack, the Diaper Bomber, the Boston Bombings? How come the Russians warning about Tarsarnev wasn't picked-up as a result of PRISM survailance? The Boston Bombers were identified by the guy who had both of his legs blown off and the kid was found by a home owner having a smoke, not by anyting BPD, HMS,ATF,FBI,NSA or CIA did.
Evidently, the illegal collection of metadata is totally inept or the powers that be don't give a crap about us little people being the victims of attact, apparently they care about something else and what ever it is, it is illegal and an assault on our Bill of Rights.
The breadth of actions undermining the Rights of Americans in this Administration and the illegal activities with no accountability is unparalleled. Most of the media & Congress has been complicit.
Harry Reid is reported to have said this Administration's enhancements of PRISM have prevented a -- massive -- number of attacks. How would he know & not the rest of Congress?
Government didn't see it or stop it because it was a Government false flag attack.
"Is Obama Lying About Big Brother?"
I haven't read the other comments yet so I'm sure it's been answered already. Is his mouth open ?
Check this out
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/8562
?If anyone thinks that what?s going on right now with all of this surveillance of American citizens is to fight some sort of foreign enemy, they?re delusional. If people think that this ?scandal? can?t get any worse, it will, hour by hour, day by day. This has the ability to bring down our national leadership, the administration and other senior elected officials working in collusion with this administration, both Republican and Democrats. People within the NSA, the Department of Justice, and others, they know who they are, need to come forth with the documentation of ?policy and practice? in their possession, disclose what they know, fight what?s going on, and just do their job. I have never seen anything like this, ever. The present administration is going after leakers, media sources, anyone and everyone who is even suspected of ?betrayal.? That?s what they call it, ?betrayal.? Can you believe the size of their cahones? This administration considers anyone telling the truth about Benghazi, the IRS, hell, you name the issue, ?betrayal,?? he said.
Pissin' in the wind, bettin' on a losing friend, making the same mistakes we swore we'd never make again......
- Jerry Jeff Walker
Up against the wall redneck mother.
the slop sickens
the flop stickens
the stock drippings
the shylock quickens ..
the plot, that thickens.
Inside the U.S. Dirty War in Yemen with Jeremy Scahill, Nasser al-Awlaki, Sheikh Fareed
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/7/inside_the_us_dirty_war_in?autostar...
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06 June 2013
Ralph Nader On the Fed's Gamble, Failed Two Party System, Corporate Power
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2013/06/ralph-nader-on-feds-gam...
The World Is a Battlefield: Jeremy Scahill on "Dirty Wars" and Obama’s Expanding Drone Attacks
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/4/24/the_world_is_a_battlefield_jeremy?...
what next? oh, this one ..
there is fiat money in it for the political class too!
can it be wrong, really?
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29 May 2013 Last updated at 23:12
UN mulls ethics of 'killer robots'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22712752
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Why shouldn't I work for the NSA...or Mossad...or GCHQ...of any other globalist traitor?
Britain's Daily Telegraph has this lead headline online now:
Britain 'secretly gathering intelligence through internet firms
Another headline online:
DID YOU KNOW?: Two Secretive Israeli Companies Reportedly Bugged The US Telecommunications Grid For The NSA
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-bugged-the-us-for-the-nsa-2013-6#ixzz2VZ1QArBI
Thanks for the reminder with the excellent video clip, Tylers. Sums up the situation neatly.
Just Google
"911 israeli cell phone bugging"
and see what you get.
Articles that have cross verifiable information like;
"...What Israel has done in return was to set up government subsidized telecommunications companies which operate here in the United States. One of these companies is Amdocs, which provides billing and directory assistance for 90% of the phone companies in the USA. Amdocs' main computer center for billing is actually in Israel and allows those with access to do what intelligence agencies call "traffic analysis"; a picture of someone's activities based on a pattern of who they are calling and when. Another Israeli telecom company is Comverse Infosys, which subcontracts the installation of the automatic tapping equipment now built into every phone system in America. Comverse maintains its own connections to all this phone tapping equipment, insisting that it is for maintenance purposes only. However, Converse has been named as the most likely source for leaked information regarding telephone calls by law enforcement that derailed several investigations into not only espionage, but drug running as well. Yet another Israeli telecom company is Odigo, which provides the core message passing system for all the "Instant Message" services. Two hours before the attacks on the World Trade Towers, Odigo employees received a warning. Odigo has an office 2 blocks from the former location of the World Trade Towers...."
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/spyring.php
I have to confess, I'm and ex AF linguist. We received the majority of our tasking from the NSA. This was from 1998 to 2004. For the duration of when I was enlisted adherence to USSID 18 (forbids reporting the content of a US Persons' communication) was EXTREMELY strict. Basically if we discovered two foreigners talking to each other, we were cherry. If we found one was a US citizen and the other was not, we would report/analyze/transcribe the foreign person and redact any reporting on the US person. The transcript would look something like this:
S1://Blah blah blah
//USSID 18//
S1:// Oh? well blah blah bah.
Couldn't report them, couldn't even technically turn them into the FBI. Even if we did our intercept wouldn't be admissible in court. This was even after the changes to FISA. If we found to US citizens talking and no one else we were to continue searching elsewhere IMMEDIATELY.
The Utah and PRISM programs are interesting in the sense that, by design, they absolutely MUST violate USSID 18. First off if they have a physical tap on a network switch the rate of data transfer is so vast that it all must be recorded. That's not really in question here on ZH (regarding Utah of course). In order to make any of that data useful it would have to be analyzed. As mentioned a sizable portion of those communications are very difficult to determine origin, so what can they do? Do they just disregard all data that is difficult or impossible to trace? Of course not, they then have to analyze the content of the transmission in order to determine it's intelligence value. So you're now "reading" all sorts of data traffic by US citizens. Up to this point this isn't much different with how we used to conduct business under USSID 18 previously. Herein lies the big difference I'm betting: If we intercepted a solely US citizens communication inadvertantly we would have to immediately flag all recorded material and completely purge it. I can't imagine these systems do that automatically. So they probably maintain even information deemed as "useless" you know... just in case.
So to recap we have a system that deliberately intercepts US communications by design. After it intercepts said communications it then analyzes the information and cross checks it against other known sources. What remains to be (blatantly) proven, is if the data at the moment of "no intelligence value" is deleted and permanently purged. If it's not? It violates USSID 18. Were I to intentionally violate USSID 18 during my AF career I wouldn't be here right now, I'd be in a federal prison.
S1:// Blah Blah Blah
//USSID 18// <forward to MI6 @ Menwith Hill so they can analyse it & give us info so we technically don't break the law>
S1:// Oh? well blah blah bah.
You obviously weren't very high up, or your long winded cover story is a piece of shit FUD. Anyone claiming to work in this area who doesn't know about reciprocal arrangements (the actual "special relationship") is either bullshitting, lying, or running cover.
From an IT perspective, Nothing is "Deleted" It may be backed up and purged, Copied to archive then purged.
It's all still around.
Everything the Nazis did was well within the law as it existed at that time and in that place.. It was all legal.
that made me cry
Obama was born in Kenya. He is in the White House because he had help. He is a traitor as well as those that have unlawfully put him into this position of powerThis is Treason. Some of the recently "retired" generals should be brought back in to lead the country along with corresponding troops of Marines, Navy Seals and loyal military. The perpetrators would then be rounded up and arrested; this includes NSA, CIA and members of any other government agency involved in the plot. Those proven guilty in a court of law would then be executed; the lawful punishment for their treason. They will know the game is over; there is no place to hide, not even in the underground bases.
We should then go to work on the financial sector; ...wash rinse repeat.
We have precedent in place for returning the financial system to the Treasury. We can continue by reinstating Glass Stegal and other laws that were removed against the best interests of the American citizens. There is no FED; repeat: "...there is no FED".
There is however a faction, a moral majority in the government and among the population ready to make this scenario a reality. People will need to be prepared for when the music stops for the $US or they will be subject to depending on handouts from corpgov as this is part of their plan for taking total control. It will end very badly for them, be prepared.
Those recently retired military chiefs were part of the September 11 2001 attack and coverup.
Good luck with that idea.
Of course.
Obama is a politician. Politicians are not to be trusted.
He is an especially stupid type of politician, one who believes himself superior to his subjects.
I get it.......
"they all lie"......
The rote repitition of DNC propagandists everywhere, every time a democrat is caught lying.......you know to 'demarginalize" the democrat liar!
Is Obama lying?????????????????????????????
What the FUCK are you talking about????????
LYING? What HASN'T the Obowel Movement lied about?
The Obowel Movement is by far and wide the biggest piece of shit to ever run any country, anywhere........
Is Obama Lying About Big Brother?Oh, I get it, Friday Night Humor!
There have been some 'dumber thAn Dogshit' titles to these postings of late.
Can I copyright "He/she pulled a Brietbart?" I get the impression that alot of people will have heart attacks, spontaneously combust, be abducted by aliens or otherwise be disappeared or deceased in the near future.........
Even if "terrorism" in it's truest sense were a threat, would it be worth changing the Constitution and giving up freedoms guaranteed there? I think not, and don't recall any debate or the option to vote on it. This intrusive data-gathering is for control, not to flush out bad guys. The bad guys are on the payroll of the government! That's who is stiring the pot in Syria; it's the same Al Quieda bunch the gov is suppossedly spying on us to flush out. Proof on this just emerged in the Sarasota case of the Saudi's who flew the coop 2 weeks before 911. Proven by a FOIA lawsuit, now the gov doesn't want to provide details for, you guessed it, "national security" reasons. This couple was no doubt running a center for the hijackers who were also mostly Saudi.
In truth, the U.S. government is the world's biggest terrorist and this entire charade needs to stop. A cabal performed a coup in 2000 that's still in progress. It's pervasive in our government and the contractors they serve. $3 Trillion is still missing and unaccounted for. Not only that, hundreds of thousands of Americans have been swindled out of their net worth. There have been no indictments.
ZH is a great place to find truth, but I think we really need to get down to the nitty gritty and develop a way to end all this crap. I'm sick of it, sick of the Fed, and done with all the patriot act bs. We need to purge it all!
Let the impeachment begin.
To see how its NOT done?
Don't get me wrong, I get the sentiment, but consider who/what conducts the process.
Its not exactly the Dream Team up there, you know.
Here is the thing. The people they are looking for are obviously not the pissant so-called terrorists that the FBI and CIA operate but instead any and all people with money and power that may present opposition to their regime. So this is not an attack so much on the peasants as it is the upper and corporate class that potentially represent a threat or competition to the MIC.
With continued attacks against any and all powerful opponents the greater the rise of the peasants with such opponents (those that stand behind the Constitution and with Freedom). So this is the beginning of a dramatic escalation toward an end that will rapidly unfold. Either Obama and Holder must be impeached or those that oppose and the peasants must be conquered by force, terrorism (false flags) and blackmail.
When I move to Pittsburgh know that the end is near.
It's not just phone logs and duration of call overseas. This is a total seizure of all digital information right down to your cc numbers, bank acct numbers titles and deeds. Jp morgan goldman sachs yahoo are all in on it too.
http://cryptome.org/isp-spy/online-spying.htm
http://gizmodo.com/what-is-prism-51187526
If you own an Android based devise, download this file, it will tell you who has stolen what from your phone and when. If you go to advanced settings, you have to unroot your phone and it will give you the phone numbers of whos tapping you and there addresses.There is a spy killer to stop it from happening again.
Android spy viewer. Take a picture of all the agencies on the list and where your data is going.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1969947
Next official announcement will be "Problem corrected. It was just a couple of rouge employees in Utah."
http://www.businessinsider.com/pictures-of-the-nsas-utah-data-center-201...
Does Obama tell the truth about anything?
The cloud is not anything people in IT think is good. It has been pushed by people to take even more data . Once in the cloud,,,,, all your data are belong to us.
Hitler in Blackface.
Is this #Obama or #Hitler? Know the difference? Short but shocking! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrjU-HBkmLE&feature=youtube_gdata_player …
"Congress shall make no law"... "Shall not be infringed..." The language is clear. The government the framers formed is now the enemy. They use our own money to imprison us. Time for it to go!
Fear is the mind killer.
If you kow-tow to the Puppet Show, you give it meaning. Man up, online revolution is so easier than real Boston Tea Party shit. If you didn't know this before, then well -
Welcome to the real world.
The original Boston Tea Party led to a revolution whereby people gave everything - their money, their blood, their lives - to found a Republic, not your nancy pants democracy, ruled by career politicians employed by international financiers nazionists who have betrayed you, as is their way...using their Orwellian ways to deceive you, and make you their debt slave for their fiatsco.
later tater.....choom gang lookin after yor thoughts?
Thin skin or wisdom, I can't tell which
Do0d, the horse is long gone.
Yes!
Is Obowel Lying?
Did his purple dick sucking lips move?
And this is how liars kill each other: NSA,Rockefeller/Rothschild Zionism, all served by their pretty pets of politics...like the Clintons now at the Bilderberg Group in Hertfordshire, receiving their instructions, and kick up their arse for Hillary failing to cover for Benghazi mess.
O'bomba says: 'If you want 100% security...', as justification for flouting the Constitution and spying on blameless Americans.
NO. I did not ask for 100% security, a police state, Nazionists. Your masters pay you to do so, and don't think marriage to Michelle Robinson is going to give you cover for your weird ways.
Show me your papers, pet. No one at your schools or college can remember you or speaks up for you. You conned Michelle, and the American people. Your Rothschild Zionism a new fangled thing coming after jews came to the USA, and your nazionist Rockefeller, Bill Gates cabal are bust, broken.
Along with your post WWI pet career politicians who are so very stupid that they dare to make enemies of the Press.
Operation Paperclip and its successor Operation Northwood are nazionists, and O'bomba serves them, along with the Clintons, Bush, Cameron, Mandelson, Brown paedophiles...just to name the world's newest freak liar career politicians, traitors for the nazionist Trilateral Commission agenda.
When I think of 100% security, this image comes to mind.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Nuernberg_jail.jpg
We are in the cells... 100% secure.
I gotta admit. I am starting to feel like a complete fucking jerk for ever mocking the New World Order theorists.
Seems they're far closer to the truth that perhaps I cared to admit (to myself).
Afterall, this was a conspiracy theory. We all knew that some kind of domestic spying was going, and perhaps it was pretty bad, but a lot of us didn't think it could be THIS bad.
What else don't we know? What's down below the tip of the iceberg that's shown up in public?
armed men feel different
Is Obama lying? LOL
did his purple dick sucking lips move?
And yes. I've seem the black yukons in my hood, i'll take out ten.....Fuck you Obowel Movement Types
Oh,
So they arent sending all electronic communications and information to the Utah Data Center to run through the predictive software using DHS Lexicon to profile us?
Then why the Data Center? Why the Billions spent on domestic spying on folks that disagree with the establishment? Why the probe on whistleblowers?
I guess Im just confused. More gmo and flouride should set me straight.
Profitable tech geeks in Israel are used by the US NSA to do the job that would put the NSA in jail if it failed to find a way around US law. It does: using fellow nazionists, tech geeks in Israel.
I truly find it incredible that a nation such as America can endure such violations of the constitiution, be manhandled and frisked even at bus terminals, be monitored far more than the East Germans were, have presidents that promise one thing before the elections and do another afterwards, print money so that their own money cannot earn a single dollar,
Unfortunately the heroes now consist only of little people chipping away at the leviathan while the big heroes are now to be found only in the history books.
Better than Chinese factory workers killing themselves en masse, all for the Internationale.
You are mistaken if you think the USA people are worse off than those most abused by the nazionist central banksters who want to subjugate all, and the USA is their last hurdle.
We can't have 100% security, Daddy says. But now we have to go to sleep in 0% privacy. So it's all good, no compromise keeps it school.
He's starting to run from office.
Well, if he is not lying about "big brother" he is certainly making up for it in other areas.
http://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-bugged-the-us-for-the-nsa-2013-6
The NSA is lying. It used fellow nazionists to circumvent US law.
Why shouldn't I work for the NSA, Mossad and Britain's GCHQ, nazionists, pets of the Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group?
Well done, Tylers, for posting the clip from Good Will Hunting, and Damon's reply.
No surrender.
Of course he's lying.....NSA operation Stellar Wind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PIPHNlAxY4&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k_X8cmeksH4
Everything-gate strikes again! The shit parade of hope and change just won't quit!
Lying President ... OxyMoron ... HarvardMoron too
Lord Haw Haw,
Keep to your own side of the street, nihilist.
Thanks for the great moniker ... I am an equal opportunity abuser ... I should have included YaleMoron also
Well maybe not such a good moniker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Joyce
I'm an equal opportunity ignorer. No link for you, munchkin.
Rose, is that you, you fucking bitch.
It's all making my head hurt.
I say let's round 'em all up and let the guillotine sort it out.
Dear listening intelligence services,
Shall we play a game?
Sincerely, and cold regards. hujel
Meh, Aussiekiwi,
Leave the liars to their own devices, and let them kill each other. They are doing so now with unregulated otc derviatives equal to more than global gdp.
Clintons attending the Bilderberg Group in England are going to get their arse kicked. O'bomba next. The Bush tribe and House of Windsor are just plain useful tools. Showbiz, mass murderers, so very 20th century.
Cute reference to The Voice, though.
Of course the Government will collect all your emails, bank transactions, phone conversations, Internet traffic etc, it is in its nature once it has the technology. You have nothing to worry about as long as you continue to do as you are told, lot of fuss over nothing.
You can hardly accuse the president of the US of lying over this, he only knows what he is told by a suit, they are hardly going to let the president know anything that might prick his moral conscious and result in him creating a fuss, far easier to tell him what he wants to hear, everything is under control Mr President, US citizens rights are always looked after....there, all fixed, almost The Voice time, must go.