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"You Should Use Both" - How America's Internet Companies Are Handing Over Your Data To Uncle Sam
In the aftermath of the PRISM spying scandal, the first and logical response was an expected one: lie. The president did it, and so did the various companies implicated in the biggest US surveillance scandal ever exposed. To wit:
- Zuckerberg: "Facebook is not and has never been part of any program to give the US or any other government direct access to our servers."
- Google CEO Larry Page: "We have not joined any program that would give the US government – or any other government – direct access to our servers."
- Yahoo: "We do not provide the government with direct access to our servers, systems, or network."
One small problem: they are all lying.
The NYT explains just how the explicit handover of private customer data from Corporate Server X to NSA Server Y takes place.
The companies that negotiated with the government include Google, which owns YouTube; Microsoft, which owns Hotmail and Skype; Yahoo; Facebook; AOL; Apple; and Paltalk, according to one of the people briefed on the discussions. The companies were legally required to share the data under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. People briefed on the discussions spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are prohibited by law from discussing the content of FISA requests or even acknowledging their existence.
In at least two cases, at Google and Facebook, one of the plans discussed was to build separate, secure portals, like a digital version of the secure physical rooms that have long existed for classified information, in some instances on company servers. Through these online rooms, the government would request data, companies would deposit it and the government would retrieve it, people briefed on the discussions said.
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Each of the nine companies said it had no knowledge of a government program providing officials with access to its servers, and drew a bright line between giving the government wholesale access to its servers to collect user data and giving them specific data in response to individual court orders. Each said it did not provide the government with full, indiscriminate access to its servers.
The companies said they do, however, comply with individual court orders, including under FISA. The negotiations, and the technical systems for sharing data with the government, fit in that category because they involve access to data under individual FISA requests. And in some cases, the data is transmitted to the government electronically, using a company’s servers.
“The U.S. government does not have direct access or a ‘back door’ to the information stored in our data centers,” Google’s chief executive, Larry Page, and its chief legal officer, David Drummond, said in a statement on Friday. “We provide user data to governments only in accordance with the law.” Statements from Microsoft, Yahoo, Facebook, Apple, AOL and Paltalk made the same distinction.
But instead of adding a back door to their servers, the companies were essentially asked to erect a locked mailbox and give the government the key, people briefed on the negotiations said. Facebook, for instance, built such a system for requesting and sharing the information, they said.
The data shared in these ways, the people said, is shared after company lawyers have reviewed the FISA request according to company practice. It is not sent automatically or in bulk, and the government does not have full access to company servers. Instead, they said, it is a more secure and efficient way to hand over the data.
Tech companies might have also denied knowledge of the full scope of cooperation with national security officials because employees whose job it is to comply with FISA requests are not allowed to discuss the details even with others at the company, and in some cases have national security clearance, according to both a former senior government official and a lawyer representing a technology company.
And there you have it: backdoors, locked (and not so locked mailboxes), and internal corporate firewalls in which some employees know everything that is going on and are used as a Chinese Wall scapegoat by everyone else who was shocked there is snooping going on here, SHOCKED.
Oh, and if that was not enough, here it is straight from the horse's mouth. Via the Guardian:
The slide, below, details different methods of data collection under the FISA Amendment Act of 2008 (which was renewed in December 2012). It clearly distinguishes Prism, which involves data collection from servers, as distinct from four different programs involving data collection from "fiber cables and infrastructure as data flows past".
Essentially, the slide suggests that the NSA also collects some information under FAA702 from cable intercepts, but that process is distinct from Prism.
Analysts are encouraged to use both techniques of data gathering.
"You Should Use Both." You know: just in case only one is insufficient to make a mocker of all personal rights and civil liberties.
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Exactly. Bankers, especially the CEO's, didn't tell the Government that bailouts were against their principles and the free market, and that they were not going to accept any sort of bailout under any circumstances even if it meant resigning or closing their doors.
Note: No one needs to tell me that the Gov't and Bankers are totally in bed with each other and hate the free market. I know, probably as well if not better than anybody else.
Because corporations whose main purpose in life is to make a profit should fight with 100% of their resources. *rolls eyes* The fact they fought it at all says a lot.
Define: "main purpose in life is to make a profit"
Does that mean above and beyond having any principles of any sort?
Oh dear, you went and played the "Conspiracy Nut" line. When you have price schemes for data retrieval, it's pretty much part of your business. Try reading the Patriot Act sometime, clauses 210 - 240; you'll note that admitting anything is illegal.
That's why all their rebuttals are identical, it's a Lawyer driven snark. (COYA + Snark).
p.s. In certain circles, it has been known for a long time that "the cloud" is useful. These circles don't wear leather, they run things. Stock Tip: Facebook was discussed last year, and agreed it's toast (and that little bit of attempted Political Red-Blue think tank shit was just embarrassing in its crassness). There will be a new platform soon, probably in response to this entire "OMG PRISM" scandal. I didn't say this of course.
Again you obviously didn't even read or comprehend what i'm trying to say.
I'm saying the NYT article backs up exactly what Google said on their blog/press release about this matter. What the NYT article is saying is pretty much exactly the sort of system I imagined when I read Google's blog about this stuff.
The statement I take issue with is that Tyler is saying Google was lying when it's quite obvious they were illustrating a pretty accurate picture of the truth. At least if you have any reading comprehension and understanding of how this sort of thing works at a technical level at all, that is.
Stick to the challenge part of the thread newbie, it makes for neater reverse pyramid structures, and stops the thread meandering. And I really do get the Legal responses and how it's being presented, trust me. It's up there, have at ye /\
The person with the account that is 30 weeks old accuses the guy with the account that is 3 years and 30 weeks old a "newbie". Hahahaha
Irony: you don't get it.
You're fairly slow.
>Backtracking on insult which doesn't make any sense in hindsight.
You know what's really sad? Not the fact you're engaging with such fervor in an argument. That's actually the good part of it. What's really disappointing is that you keep ignoring facts and, despite having the truth in front of your eyes, you still reject it.
People once thought homosexuality was a mental disease. They aren't to be blamed for having believed this at a certain point of their lives, but rather for the fact that they kept fighting with such conviction that things were as they thought. Homosexuality as a sin. A disease.
Bitcoin, Egar-Jones, Wikileaks, even ZeroHedge (remember BoAML?) and who knows how many other countless organizations were shunned for not complying with the truth. Their games, their rules. Play by them, or get the hell out of their way.
Also, and by all means, feel free to take it personally, it is really sad that you (and the vast majority here on ZH) are not capable of grasping elementary figures of speech. Metaphors, similies and hyperboles are all an unknown to you. As is irony. I couldn't help but laugh at how people here put the "/sarc" tag. Really? Are ZH-ers so stupid not to perceive sarcasm?
With all due respect, your answer is part of the problem. The injustices and destruction of the Constitution is rampant by the people and institutions we pay to govern us. It is well documented.
I haven't heard of one major corporation fight this tooth and nail based on principle, for they know if they comply like good little boys hoping to get a reward. They are all complicit in this.
There should be mass outrage, but most people know how to access facebook and work a browser, yet have no clue about the implications and the threat to liberty.
I agree there should be mass outrage, but when you make unsubstantiated claims you just hurt your own cause.
That's my entire point, but you seemed to miss it entirely because you reacted emotionally without actually reading and thinking through what I was saying.
damage said: "Tyler, I wish you wouldn't cater quite so much to the retard level conspiracy nuts."
Are you trying to say the following?:
"Google wouldn't possibly betray us or the great information revolution for money, would they?"
"Apple and Apple products are so cool and I am so hip using them that Apple woudln't possibly knuckle under to a court order, would they?"
"Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook are freedom fighters who represent the power of the people."
Is that it?
You think these multi-billion dollar corporations whose founders and executives make millions (billions) per year off of you care about you or your rights?
C'mon.
Yeah build those strawmen and attack them and pretend you're making an argument against my actual opinion on the matter.
So do you trust Google or not?
Trust them on what specifically? I don't trust them anymore than I would trust anyone else in the business they are in. My only point is their press release wasn't all that misleading, and calling them liars over their press release is stretching the truth more than their press release/blog on this matter ever did.
So if I indirectly reply to your post yet claim directly that I am not replying to your post would it make me, at the least, disingenuous?
I don't believe that's a fair comparison or analogy. I've been called "paranoid" and a "conspiracy nut", myself for being upset about NSLs and FISA requests. It doesn't help the cause when you go around making unsubstantiated claims. Doing such things only help discredit you and everyone else concerned about government intrusion into our personal lives.
ebworthen - what junior is saying is that nothing they could possibly do or say would be upsetting to the powers that be.
for example - suppose the current president was mr. xyz. if i was to post - 'i think mr. xyz should be unelected' - well junior doesn't
really see how this might be a problem for mr. xyz. in reality, mr. xyz doesn't like my sort of people. and his friends might come to visit me and disuss this. infact - a large part of history has examples of exactly that happening. except, from what i understand from face book reading, history started with the birth of mark zuckerberg. or was in steve jobs?
damage... You don't get it.
You never, ever, ever, ever, assume the best case. Unless you're building a nuclear power station in Japan that is.
You now have to assume that yes, the NSA has full access to data you host on Google/Microsoft/Yahoo/Apple's systems. You also have to assume that yeah there are probably NSA employees who're corrupt; willing and able to sell anything for a buck (ok add some zeros). This is a third party you have no contact and contract with and no influence over.
You now pretty much have to assume that anything you put on their systems is liable to be sold to the highest bidder should it be found to contain value.
So you're saying I should assume stuff you think I should assume just because you say so without having any evidence to actually back it up?
When Belushi yelled "Food Fight!" in a cafeteria, he had a much better constructed setup...
"I think" isn't evidence it's antithesis.
Honestly, I don't care about the surveillance.
I would say the same things to their face that I say online.
***Honestly, I don't care about the surveillance.***
That's because you're an asshole.
he is the free thinker who thinks Shakespeare was the original asshole and that Austrian economics is the new bible.
When you hop to feel comfy with surveillance, one step further and you admire the inquisition brigade; then you jump to love the Torquemada breed; stinking patriots in Gitmo acts who love despotic dogma more than people's freedom. Shoot to kill behind bars, obey orders "you didn't hear". As you be guardians of civilization on its entrenched walls of digitalised spooky surveillance. Hop, step and jump to the title of new 1984.
Code red all the way and better u dead than dangerous red, amen. We are judge and jury 'cos we be NSA under God and crony congress. Patriot act forever and judges be doormats to achieve total control.
We're shocked that this is happening... said the ignorant sheep. Now the ignorant, inattentive, couldn't point to Afghanistan on a map, American Idol watching assholes have exactly what they deserve.
Everyone's focusing on the Utah NSA facility. That's only the most recent:
January 30, 2006: Washington Post: NSA Building ‘Massive’ Data Warehouse in Colorado, Key Element in Agency’s Domestic Surveillance Program
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11733.htm
NSA Announces Plans to Build Huge Facility near Microsoft Data Center in Texas
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/press_room/2007/data_center.shtml
https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2007/01/19/microsoft-confirms-huge-san-antonio-center/
THE PANOPTICON ECONOMY
The NSA’s new (2007) Texas data-mining facility is one component of a growing local surveillance industry
http://www2.sacurrent.com/news/story.asp?id=69607
it is funny that the "government" (civil servants) see fit to spend
trillions of dollars to discern what people have been
screaming at those same institutions in broad daylight
for decades, if not centuries and for free,
perhaps they could read their mail or e-mail
and actually listen to the words and discover the
meaning rather than ignoring them with official
pre scripted generic responses, ignoring the content
and then taking orders from their corporate controllers.
representation has been reduced to garnering fiat funding
through legislation, perverting the justice part of law.
and these are lawyers and sophisticated, educated persons;
not knowing the first thing of the ways of the world and
lemmings.
It's their "CRIMINAL" behavior, that has the "CRIMINAL" paranoid!
rightly so
What's Facebook?
The place where teens go to permanantly record the information that will ruin their aspirations down the road.
what is being alone? what is being afraid of being alone? what is being afraid of being alone, surrounded by billions of other people? what is wanting to 'friend' billions of other people, let them know what you are doing, and seek their approval? what is being manipulated to be afraid of being alone?
what is being afraid of being manipulated to being afraid of being alone? are you being manipulated? you signed on - and now you are afraid?
can you get out?
that's facebook. and about another how many $billion to wall street?
Another member said it best several months ago:
Facebook... created by douchebags for douchebags.
It's one big club and now you're in it. But backdoor only please.
These guys were seduced by Obama to betray their customers. They got to be popular and the only cost was their integrety....and the foundation of the nation...civil liberties.
All i hear is, "but indirect access IS okay." Fuck'em.
When a government sees the people as it's enemy, then it is finished. The corpse just hasn't finished moving yet.
Cancel all google and facebook accounts. (Ok well delete all data from them and don't put anything else up.) Except for the shill accounts.
Cash only, snail mail and borrowed phone calls.
P2P communications rule the world.
http://www.wikihow.com/Permanently-Delete-a-Facebook-Account
Nope. Don*t do this.
Look, the worst thing in the world is not no data, or lost data. In both cases you go fix the problem, you get data or you recover your lost data from the last backup you did. No, the worst thing in the world is corrupted data. Particularly if it's been corrupted over time. Then you and all your back ups are fucked, you have no idea what's real, what's good and what isn't. The more subtle the corruption the more fucked the data is.
So. Don't close your accounts. Don't delete them.
Make sure you're disassociated from the accounts, tell everyone you give a shit about your new account details. Then open up the old accounts to the world, pass the password around, make it a trivial password to crack. Watch your old accounts mutate.
Fantastic recent speech by NSA whistleblower, especially his answers during the Q&A session:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wp2BGLMqDM&#t=2m48s
It might be that the internet companies are not lying. They do not provide direct access to the govt. Palantir is the company that takes the data and provides it to the govt.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/06/is_this_who_runs_prism.php
No.
THEY ARE LYING.
The fact that that they all used the same "talking point memo" / NSA instructions as the basis of their denials (this goes way beyond the mere existence of identical circumstance) is evidence- not only of their lies, but of their entry into conspiracy with the United States government to deceive persons as to nature of the companies sharing of Customer data with the Government.
Here is a simple mental exercise that even a fascist shyster only qualified to be a politician should be capable of wrapping their mind around. Each of the legal departments of these companies has various CUSTOMER AGREEMENTS for its products and services. Certain clauses in these agreements are derived industry standard, well known and documented MODEL CLAUSES. For example - "This agreement shall be governed by..." If you stick ANY seven Silicon Valley corporate lawyers in a room and tell of them to write a single clause stating that their agreement with regards to their regulated Customer Data Protection policies should be governed by the laws of the State of California- there will be MORE LINGUISTIC DIVERSITY among those responses than their was with the "uncoordinated" responses about their "non-conspiracy" with the NSA (or other agents of the government), despite the fact that all the lawyers would be working from the same industry cheat sheet.
thus,
CITIZEN, YOU HAVE THE FREEDOM TO BELIEVE THE DIKTATS OF THE MINISTRY OF TRUTH.
However, we could get Bubba Clinton in here for some cunning linguistic hair splitting in regards to whether "they" IS lying if "they" IS not the one writing the denial...
EEEEEEEE! They Are Pods!
Now I'm going to play devil's advocate, just a little bit, since part of my background is in military data-comms and the snooping on thereof. Please don't mistake this for any sympathy with the Peeping Toms in question.
The problem you get with any surveillance of this kind is one of mission creep. It's unavoidable.
You start off by eavesdropping on Subject A, who you know is a bad guy, but need to gather enough evidence to convince a judge (or bomber squadron commander) of it. Subject A has many conversations with Subject B and while the subject is innocuous, the grammar and syntax is just weird enough to convince you that they're passing coded messages. Subject B also has regular conversations with Subjects C, D, E, F and G and while the conversations seem a bit more normal than the first one, it's still just dodgy enough that you want to keep tabs on those folks, too. Each of those guys (or gals - wouldn't want to be sexist, here!) has 10 more people that they regularly talk to.So you snoop on those, too!
At this stage, you KNOW (intelligence agencies are fanatical record keepers and idle-hour statistical number crunchers, contrary to what you might think) that only 1-5 of the 50 extra peeps you're now monitoring is statistically likely to be involved in anything shady. Even terrorists generally have regular phone calls with their wives, lovers, bookies, etc.
But, again, statistically 1-5 of them WILL be up to no good. You don't know which of the 50, so you monitor all of them. Each of the 50 has 10 regular contacts....
See how quickly it can escalate, especially when you have so much relatively cheap processing power, memory and hard drive space to throw at it?
Just put all people with net assets lower than some threshold in detention camps. Much more efficient. The government needs to work smarter, not harder.
I'd actually agree with you there, if you changed the filter to 'net intelligence' - the world is dramatically overpopulated and the morons it needs least. Most of the jobs they can do have been automated at this stage, anyway.
THEN we get to work on the scumbags that already have hundreds of millions and a holiday home in Martinique but still feel a need to be richer still.
In fact, you know what I'd do if you made me ruler of the global NWO for a day - outlaw absolutely and for all time the concept of passing on an inheritance. Let the little bastards work for a living! Cos that's 70% of what being a scion of moneyed rich is, propagation of basic fucking laziness!
I was engaging in sardonic humor.
I guess one person's sardonic humor is another's final solution.
"In order to protect you we must know what you are thinking at all times" NSA
And...
Wouldn't it be ironic if there WAS no direct link to the servers in question, thereby rendering their statements to that effect completely true, but rather Linux machines using Tor connections to a proxy server assigned officially as a pipeline to offline backups.
Lets see now...both Zuckerberg and Schmidt were senior members of Obama's re-election camp[aign. Indeed Schmidt was reported to be the in "Command room" the night of the election.
Do you think it is possible that they targeted the swing states with their big data mining capabilties ? Do you think that they worked in concert with the IRS targeting certain individuals?
Naww... could never happen. There is the Constitution that protects individual liberty in the USA.
Just more noise to divert attention from IRS and Benghazi. This is old news false flagged now to muddy waters ... Next up war in Syria
Corporate figureheads who haven’t read their own TOS agreement. Comical
Many Executive staff members admit, ‘we just clicked the checkbox and hit [YES] button without reading the mindboggling details.
Gawd, this is like that pod people movie where Dick O Govt and all corporations are part of 1 hive mind.
Fuck this.
Where is the plug?
Who is Christopher Samir Zawahri
Shooter @ Santa Monica City College thats all.
Another cover up of the facts by the police and media.
I know hookers that guard their client's personal info better than these whoreporations do.
Two words: darknets.
Shut up, you fucking spastic! You're giving the game away!
What, the control freaks already know about the alternate internet? Bet they don't know about the... oh, right, I should shut up now. ;-}
[Darknets] looks single worded to me. What are you smoking in that pipe? Perhaps I wasn’t so gifted to enroll in, ‘Leave no child behind program.’
Allow me to give you a guided tour of our exclusive facility. Please sign this waiver before we begin.
https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en
With regard to Zuckerberg, I can't quite decide whether his portrayal in 'The Social Network' is intended to make him look less of a sly, dysfunctional cunt than he actually is... or more of one. Either way, if he's remotely like that in real life, he's hardly someone you'd want to go for a friendly pint with. And certainly not someone you'd leave for a minute in a room containing your laptop, car keys, daughter or last can of beer.
Here's something you won't hear in the presstitute media.
Today (June 8th) is the anniversary of the attack on the USS Liberty. The Israeli combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship. At the time, the ship was in international waters. This deliberate atrocity and war crime was covered up by the United States government for years. Even today this story is never reported in the Zionist controlled media. Never forget the USS Liberty!
From what I had read, the USS Liberty was identified as an American ship by the Israelis and they did not let up on the attack.
This so called bond beetween Countries such as Canada and the USA to Israel, fed to the masses as something God wishes, is an unholy one, considering the loss of human life and suffering caused since the State of Israel was created.
Yet, when one suggests the Indians reclaiming their land and making portions of the US their own under their own flag and rule, it is quickly shut down, but how is that different from what the world did to Palestine?
Oh - snap!
Sarcasm swung your way. This message may be delayed due to NSA compliance protocol. We can only hope the true message remains intact.
I have ancestors from most of the U K but do not have a right of return, and its less than a 150 yrs since they left
duplicate
The survivors are still waiting for their congressional hearing.
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Yep.
Folks, if you haven't already done so, you need to. You're just creating a dossier on yourself. .
Plus. It's in your cookies. And Everytime you see that "Like" button, that site visit is logged by Facebook. Whether you click it or not.
And NEVER own the app
Not anymore.
This has been going on since the 1950's.
What are you Americans actually waiting for? Some sort of epiphany? Where the government will disband? For every day that passes you are becoming more and more a totalitarian police state. You have a country of some 360 million people and yet you let a small number of people completely dominate and control you. I am not saying EU or any other government is any different but, US politics affect the entire world, directly, so it is not just a domestic issue, while you are the only ones able to do something about it. If a handful of people manage to control a nation of 360 million people in any desired direction, by standing together, imagine what a nation of 300 million people would be able to do?!
"United we stand, divided we fall". What is the motto for these people? Divide and conquer?
The image of a being with jaws of iron and feet of clay comes to mind.
Glenn Greenwald must have drone deathwish.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data
The National Security Agency has obtained direct access to the systems of Google, Facebook, Apple and other US internet giants, according to a top secret document obtained by the Guardian.
The NSA access is part of a previously undisclosed program called Prism, which allows officials to collect material including search history, the content of emails, file transfers and live chats, the document says.
The Guardian has verified the authenticity of the document, a 41-slide PowerPoint presentation – classified as top secret with no distribution to foreign allies – which was apparently used to train intelligence operatives on the capabilities of the program. The document claims "collection directly from the servers" of major US service providers.
Although the presentation claims the program is run with the assistance of the companies, all those who responded to a Guardian request for comment on Thursday denied knowledge of any such program.
This document is dated April 2013. It directly contradicts the official statements of Google, Facebook et al.
"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor." -- T. Jefferson and the boys.
Well written, Mr. Jefferson .... it's the first time I've seen you post here .... your English is very clean and precise and unpretentious .... so unlike the post modern ivy league Victorian puke of .... Alan Greenspeak ! Monedas 1929 Comedy Jihad Brownspeak Bathroom Humour World Tour
Terrorist!!!
The Revolutionary War was successful becuase they were fighting an occupation force essentially, like our occupation force in Afghanistan for example.
They weren't fighting a huge heavily entrenched government employing a substantial portion of the population with lots more getting a check and lots more supporters and sympathizers, probably 70% - 75% of the population altogether. If they were, they would have failed.
Actually it never would have "gotten off the ground" to begin with. The "rabble rowsers" ramrodding it would have been ratted out arrested and imprisoned ...or worse.
No, there never would have been a "continental congress" drawing up a Declaration of Independence. All of them would have been in prison.
Think how much more surveilance there is now. No way could any "leaders" do anything before being arrested and imprisoned.
You think they don't know who potential "leaders" are?
So no, it'll never hapeen. Maybe some little grass-roots flareups (insurrections) somewhere along the way, but they'll likely be known beforehand and certainly dealt with decisively.
Sorry folks, you just let it get too big.
Two empty tins and one long ass piece of string should do the trick...
They are all lying because they are required by law to lie. Ask them the following question as a shareholder.
They'll refuse to answer the question directly because it would require them to either lie to shareholders or tell the world that they can't remove US government access to their systems.
What is worse .... public servants lying .... or a comic like George Carlin .... pushing the envelope .... of good taste .... that's easy .... the Bible doesn't even recognize .... daring repartee' on social taboos .... but lying is frowned on .... so, Monedas .... a George Carlinesque comic .... with a smart libertarian tang .... is something positive, uplifting and disarming .... lying is the theft of trust ! Monedas 1929 Comedy Jihad With A Tang World Tour
Be aware that the heads of these companies do not necessarily know what the Government has access to. If it is a Top Secret program, only those employees that have the required clearance and need to know actually know. The heads of the companies just know they are carrying out top secret operations under government contract, but are not made aware of the exact nature of those operations, and are not allowed to even be told.
Yeah.
"Hey, I know a lot of people died in those camps, but I was just following orders."
This is the only news site not reporting that an American-British banker married a Swedish Princess.
As an AMZN investor, I want this issued as an 8k. I want to see your internal legal opinion that you're not liable. This is a major issue. Do it now
I'm feeling a little randy .... just had a massage by Steve McQueen and Charles Bronson's masseuse .... at San Carlos hot springs .... thanks Gilberto Millan .... any liberal, socialist pukes out there .... want a piece of me .... if not .... I'm gonna take a class 4 nap .... no clothes, vanilla lotion, full release .... courtesy Lupita .... a Cuban cigar .... Montecristo .... some Ponderosa pine cone nuts from the Sierra Juarez .... and polish off the last of my Absinthe !
Steve McQueen has been dead for twenty years, hope he washed his hands.
Yeah, I didn't check his fingernails for rogue clingons .... but he did lather me up .... both sides .... I didn't get a hard on .... I'm not gay .... is it OK to say that on the internet .... like hatespeak .... oh dear !
President Obama is disgusted and mad as hell that all these scandals are distracting him while playing golf....
Q: So, what does it feel like to live in in 1984?
A: You mean the book, or the year?
The year felt nothing like the book.
what does it feel like to live in 2013?
The year, the book is still to be written.
It's going to be slightly inconvenient, but I'm switching over to my tormail account from gmail...
I gave up trying to hide a long time ago, and just take solace in the fact that every time I tell them to Fuck Off they have to read it.
And one more thing: Fuck Off Face Book; Fuck Off Google; Fuck Off Yahoo; Fuck Off Verizon; Fuck Off AT&T; Fuck Off NSA; ………god this is Fucking fuuuun!
When I was about 6 years old .... I went into my parents bedroom .... at a bad moment .... actually .... so I didn't stay long .... I just wanted to let them know .... that I knew what I wanted to be .... an iconic American humourist .... who would do for progressive, socially redeeming racial humour .... what _____________ would do some day .... combining crucific and mayonaise jar full of urine art .... I hope there is a Nobel prize .... for such stuff ! The Anders Behring Braevik medal .... for life long achievment .... in the creative social engineering venue ?
Will foreign ccountries start blocking Google, Yahoo, Facebook, et al?
It's not a facetious question.
A foreign power is using these companies to collect data and spy,
it would seem prudent for any country to eliminate such a threat to not only national security,
but the privacy of its citizens.
I would; they are spying on foreign business as well.
I would actually kick the USSA out.
Fuckerberg needs to be on the run from the People.
He is a Criminal no different than Goebbels.
I hope you now realize why China forced sites like Google to make special changes for the Chinese market. It wasn't just for the reasons proclaimed in the West. It was to make sure it was not being used as a Trojan Horse against China.
And now perhaps you understand why the old Soviet block countries and China are so, so leery of any HW and SW from the US. And why they prefer some operating systems over others.
And why companies like Porsche use separate computers for design, than for surfing and external correspondence: spyware can't jump onto something it can't connect to, and terminals with no thumb drives can't upload a virus or download data.
In the Netherlands we have some highways with camera's, trajectcontrole. It measures your average speed for several kilometers, so you get speeding tickets. Spying and cashing at the same time! Big brother turned into a fascist, freaky monster, controlling people day after day, with camera's. When i drive by, i feel like a prisoner on my day off after 7 years of good behavior....
One small peace of highway, yeah i know, ALL highways are short over here haha, makes €200 million a year for 'our gubmint'.
Even police officers are ashamed when they write a ticket due to high prices.€300 plus when you push the horn when it's not necessary.....
I want to be a officials eyeballcollector bitchez. Scalps don't work, they are short haired.
Entrap the internet pigs .... say outrageous .... but socially redeeming stuff .... and make them out themselves .... this is constitutionally protected political activity .... go for it .... don't be a nerd .... anymore !
From Prism to Boundless Informant; we go from long jump to triple jump.
THis is one hellva olympics that the NSA runs worldwide!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-boundless-informant-glob...
What makes me laff is that Russsia and Canada refuse to play ball with Cameron's desperate moves to fight corporate tax dodging by not divulging who owns those shell or trust companies in tax havens.
Now how's that for a guy who points to the kettle while all the time he is pot!
Well played Cameron, "it's not MY fault those Ruskis and Canuks won't play ball!"
We all believe u Cameron!
FYI.
http://www.gnupg.org/
If you don't encrypt it, you have to assume the world can read it.
Sue them out of existence-bastards!
Two words: "sovereign immunity".
Oh, and guess who you can sue for bad medicine under Obamacare . . . nobody. "Sovereign immunity"
There are MOAR of us!!!!!
Nothing new here folks. I was in the Army Security Agency during the 70's. And this is what we did, but mainly to foreign countries as directed by NSA. NSA been doing this kind of stuff ever since.
Indirectly, I say fuck you to all of them.
The big point I think is once again missed by all... read a piece of my mail ok..... have all of my mail in a DATABASE to correlate it, sift and sort and flag it out... that is a different animal. Now take my purchases, which guess what kids, they have too, and my paper foot print is there for the drones to follow...
Why is no one talking about what happens to these emails and phone records, no one is talking about the master files!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tyler get em...........
Peak "Liberalism"
It was only a matter of time before the pandering press and cult of personality took progressives over the cliff.
Breaking: NSA Internet Spying Foils NSA Plot To Attack NSA
We just cannot stop writing jokes on subsidized taxpayer employed incompetence. That sure has a ring of anal cramp to any debt ceiling queen crying wolf.
U.S. to Hit Debt Ceiling, but Has Some Breathing Room
Fuckerberg: "The NSA came to me and needed a front man for a super-spy program. They offered me a lot of money to spy and rat out my fellow citizens. I am one of the elite, serfs, so blow me and buy more of my stock, chumps! Hahahhaha!"
If you file a tax return, you're on file.
It is the most wired place on the planet, the good ol' usa. You're being watched constantly.
So what if they're watching all of the time?
If they want to come and get you, they will. The word from the top down will have your ass in a sling in a heartbeat. You will be able to do nothing about it.
Express your 2nd amendment right and take as many with you as you can. They wanna treat you like a terrorist, embrace it.
It's ok! A secret court issued a secret decision and said so, under the secret exception to the Constitution.
At this point, our only hope is a massive DDOS attack against The Thing From Utah from China because Dick pissed off the Chicom guy in Cali by spilling guacamole on him, or refusing him the ole chocolate highway.
Where is the press? Where is the coverage? Where are the protests?
It's called blackmail. "You really wouldn't want your parents/wife/boss/friend/children/co-workers to know about __________________, would you?"
Liar, liar, pants on fire!
In the UK it's called LI (lawfull intercept). All telcos have to have it. The locked mailbox with the gov getting the key is right. Been doing it forever the bastards. All your comms are belong to us.
Seriously, what are the trolls at the NSA so afraid of? Or do they snoop for personal gain ... and why should that be legal?
They all use the words direct access, one should ask them about indirect access!!
Would be interesting to know you the Stazi officer in my company is. Is it the friendly coworker, is it the hot assistance or is it my boss handing over my private data to the government?
Definitely investigate the hot assistant first. And take your time.
Even small groups have trouble taking advantage of their collective knowledge. But now that the concensus has been reached on some of this important information about the globalists and the banksters take down of the United States of America expect some action. The spark has hit.
bet that got their attention
It's called a hardware mux. This is not server access, it's data capture at the physical level. And if you really believe the NSA, which designed 1/2 the encryption standards these entities use, needs to 'ask' to get at there data at any network level, I bet you think a one-time pad is a feminine hygiene product.
I have gmail, i have to close that as well.
Scientia Est Potentia...bitchez
Total Information Awareness
Would anyone like to bet me that Poindexter and IAO wasn't up and running prior to 9/11...or at least the idea and framework?
Two quotes from that second link:
and:
No shit Sherlock Swire.
NSA Documents on Cryptome 1996-2006 (some of the links there are dead)
I think they may be technically telling the truth because they all used the same qualifying words "direct access", which leaves the door open for indirect access which could involve the same release of information by an indirect process. The reason Clinton was such a good liar was that he never made a statement that did not include weasel words. Most simple declarative statements are either true or false, rather than half truths. Obama will tell bald face lies because he is arrogant and likes the in your face act of showing his contempt for your opinion.
That's the point. They behave the 'american' way.
Appearances prevail in an 'american' world.
The three quotes have one key word in common: direct. It is enough to induce an investigation based of the eternal 'american' nature.
Very 'american' actually. All through the consent of the governed.
The US government does not fist directly into the data garbage. They request and obtain the consent of the companies that hand them the piece of information.
Yeah, they did not lie. They just act the 'american' way. It is how 'americans' work.
In a nutshell, the government does not take the intel by themselves, the companies give it to them.
It makes a world of differences in an 'american' world. See how military occupation by 'americans' work, same principle.
Countries are occupied not because 'americans' forced an occupation army on them, they occupy because the countries requested the 'americans' to occupy them.
That is the way it works in an 'american' world.
The end goal is the same but 'americans' have what they want: appearances.
All three state "Direct access to our servers". Obviously it is a government-inspired "talking point" distributed to the communication and social media CEOs. The fact is...data can be taken "in-line" far more efficiently than copying data directly off servers.
Remember each one of these Benedict Arnold’s. More of the same deception through semantics. What is the definition of "is"? " I did not have sexual relations with that woman....Monica Lewinsky" "It was a YouTube video that caused the death of the US ambassador." "I am not a crook, I earned everything I got." “We got to pass it to know what is in it" "Gold is a barbaric relic" "It was few rogue employees in the Cincinnati office" "I plead the 5th and I am innocent of any wrongdoing" etc.
Americans should bring back the practice of tar and feather. I might as well invest in both now.... there will bound to be shortages of both.
Mark, Larry and all you other hot shots...explain why you all got personalattention from the president....
He's got GM (gosh I think they own 25% of the media) one one side and the info league on the other..we see what is going on...