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NSA Whistleblower Reveals Himself
"I realised that I was part of something that was doing far more harm than good... The NSA routinely lies in response to Congressional inquiries about scope of surveillance in America. The NSA is intent on making every conversation and every form of behaviour in the world known to them.... What they're doing poses an existential threat to democracy."
- Edward Snowden, 29, PRISM Whistleblower
The US government will be happy to learn it will save several million dollars on the criminal inquiry into the identity of the NSA's PRISM whistleblower because moments ago in a lengthy profile by the Guardian's Glenn Greenwald, said whistleblower has decided to reveal himself to the world: he is Edward Snowden, 29 years old. Originally from Elizabeth City, NC, a Maryland community college dropout and former Special Forces trainee, the 10 year "veteran" with the NSA, most recently in its Hawaii office under the employ of defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, has just made history and joined the pantheon of such legendary whistleblowers of the US government' secret activities as the Pentagon Papers' Daniel Ellsberg and Wikileaks' Bradley Manning. Last but not least, Edward is currently residing in Hong Kong, out of harm's (read America's) way.
Who is Edward and how did he end up at the NSA? The Guardian has the full story.
By his own admission, he was not a stellar student. In order to get the credits necessary to obtain a high school diploma, he attended a community college in Maryland, studying computing, but never completed the coursework.
In 2003, he enlisted in the US army and began a training program to join the Special Forces. Invoking the same principles that he now cites to justify his leaks, he said: "I wanted to fight in the Iraq war because I felt like I had an obligation as a human being to help free people from oppression".
He recounted how his beliefs about the war's purpose were quickly dispelled. "Most of the people training us seemed pumped up about killing Arabs, not helping anyone," he said. After he broke both his legs in a training accident, he was discharged.
After that, he got his first job in an NSA facility, working as a security guard for one of the agency's covert facilities at the University of Maryland. From there, he went to the CIA, where he worked on IT security. His understanding of the internet and his talent for computer programming enabled him to rise fairly quickly for someone who lacked even a high school diploma.
By 2007, the CIA stationed him with diplomatic cover in Geneva, Switzerland. His responsibility for maintaining computer network security meant he had clearance to access a wide array of classified documents.
That access, along with the almost three years he spent around CIA officers, led him to begin seriously questioning the rightness of what he saw.
He described as formative an incident in which he claimed CIA operatives were attempting to recruit a Swiss banker to obtain secret banking information. Snowden said they achieved this by purposely getting the banker drunk and encouraging him to drive home in his car. When the banker was arrested for drunk driving, the undercover agent seeking to befriend him offered to help, and a bond was formed that led to successful recruitment.
"Much of what I saw in Geneva really disillusioned me about how my government functions and what its impact is in the world," he says. "I realised that I was part of something that was doing far more harm than good."
He left the CIA in 2009 in order to take his first job working for a private contractor that assigned him to a functioning NSA facility, stationed on a military base in Japan. It was then, he said, that he "watched as Obama advanced the very policies that I thought would be reined in", and as a result, "I got hardened."
Why did he wait so long?
He said it was during his CIA stint in Geneva that he thought for the first time about exposing government secrets. But, at the time, he chose not to for two reasons.
First, he said: "Most of the secrets the CIA has are about people, not machines and systems, so I didn't feel comfortable with disclosures that I thought could endanger anyone". Secondly, the election of Barack Obama in 2008 gave him hope that there would be real reforms, rendering disclosures unnecessary.
That did not happen. So he proceed to reveal what he knows about the NSA to a newspaper which the NYT pejoratively referred to as a "British News Site." Well, he certainly did not go with any of the news sites on favorable terms with the current administration. Instead, "He purposely chose, he said, to give the documents to journalists whose judgment he trusted about what should be public and what should remain concealed."
Which of course brings up the question: now what, and why risk what was otherwise a "comfortable life" in a Hawaiian paradise?
In a note accompanying the first set of documents he provided, he wrote: "I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."
Despite his determination to be publicly unveiled, he repeatedly insisted that he wants to avoid the media spotlight. "I don't want public attention because I don't want the story to be about me. I want it to be about what the US government is doing."
He does not fear the consequences of going public, he said, only that doing so will distract attention from the issues raised by his disclosures. "I know the media likes to personalise political debates, and I know the government will demonise me."
Despite these fears, he remained hopeful his outing will not divert attention from the substance of his disclosures. "I really want the focus to be on these documents and the debate which I hope this will trigger among citizens around the globe about what kind of world we want to live in." He added: "My sole motive is to inform the public as to that which is done in their name and that which is done against them."
He has had "a very comfortable life" that included a salary of roughly $200,000, a girlfriend with whom he shared a home in Hawaii, a stable career, and a family he loves. "I'm willing to sacrifice all of that because I can't in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they're secretly building."
That said, he has left the US and is now in Hong Kong, which in the New Normal is a safer venue for those exposing what until recently was considered a massive conspiracy theory.
Three weeks ago, Snowden made final preparations that resulted in last week's series of blockbuster news stories. At the NSA office in Hawaii where he was working, he copied the last set of documents he intended to disclose.
He then advised his NSA supervisor that he needed to be away from work for "a couple of weeks" in order to receive treatment for epilepsy, a condition he learned he suffers from after a series of seizures last year.
As he packed his bags, he told his girlfriend that he had to be away for a few weeks, though he said he was vague about the reason. "That is not an uncommon occurrence for someone who has spent the last decade working in the intelligence world."
On May 20, he boarded a flight to Hong Kong, where he has remained ever since. He chose the city because "they have a spirited commitment to free speech and the right of political dissent", and because he believed that it was one of the few places in the world that both could and would resist the dictates of the US government.
Snowden's future is bleak to say the least, and if Bradly Manning's recent travails are any indication, a life in prison may be an upside option:
"All my options are bad," he said. The US could begin extradition proceedings against him, a potentially problematic, lengthy and unpredictable course for Washington. Or the Chinese government might whisk him away for questioning, viewing him as a useful source of information. Or he might end up being grabbed and bundled into a plane bound for US territory.
"Yes, I could be rendered by the CIA. I could have people come after me. Or any of the third-party partners. They work closely with a number of other nations. Or they could pay off the Triads. Any of their agents or assets," he said.
"We have got a CIA station just up the road – the consulate here in Hong Kong – and I am sure they are going to be busy for the next week. And that is a concern I will live with for the rest of my life, however long that happens to be."
Having watched the Obama administration prosecute whistleblowers at a historically unprecedented rate, he fully expects the US government to attempt to use all its weight to punish him. "I am not afraid," he said calmly, "because this is the choice I've made."
He predicts the government will launch an investigation and "say I have broken the Espionage Act and helped our enemies, but that can be used against anyone who points out how massive and invasive the system has become".
The only time he became emotional during the many hours of interviews was when he pondered the impact his choices would have on his family, many of whom work for the US government. "The only thing I fear is the harmful effects on my family, who I won't be able to help any more. That's what keeps me up at night," he said, his eyes welling up with tears.
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As for his future, he is vague. He hoped the publicity the leaks have generated will offer him some protection, making it "harder for them to get dirty".
He views his best hope as the possibility of asylum, with Iceland – with its reputation of a champion of internet freedom – at the top of his list. He knows that may prove a wish unfulfilled.
But after the intense political controversy he has already created with just the first week's haul of stories, "I feel satisfied that this was all worth it. I have no regrets."
Now the great debate begins: is sacrificing it all in the name of ethical principles under a totalitarian regime now fully set on destroying you, worth it? And since we are dealing with one grand revealed conspiracy, another one will naturally emerge: is Snowden's explanation of his motives honest and accurate? Why now and why him? Surely at least one other person has worked at the NSA in the past decade whose thought process has been identical and who put the value of democracy over and above that of one's personal career development and safety.
Most importantly, the ball is now in Obama's court, and the constitutional scholar's every action will be studied under a microscope by civil liberty defenders (both real and paid for) everywhere while one Jon Corzine withdrawls millions of dollars from East Hampton ATM machines unhindered, and without any scruples.
Finally, we would like to thank Snowden for putting a nail into the coffin of all those who use the term "conspiracy theorist" pejoratively. Because whatever his motives, whatever the outcome of this dramatic escalation between the people's right to know and a government intent on hijacking all civil liberties one by one, Snowden has showed that the distance from Conspiracy Theory to Conspiracy Fact is just one ethical judgment away.
For those curious, here is the full text of the US-Hong Kong Extradition treaty.
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Snowden's interview with the Guardian's Glenn Greenwald (produced by WaPo's Laura Poitras) can be seen after the jump.
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And now the great debate begins: is sacrificing it all in the name of ethical principles under a totalitarian regime now fully set on destroying you worth it?
It's always been worth it, if there hadn't been heros like this in the past we'd be living in an even worse world.
That said, I certainly wouldn't have the balls to do what he did sad to say.
Neither I. The courage to do this requires a trait rarer than the finest intellect.
Courage is one thing. But perhaps Snowden found it more difficult to live with the these ugly truths all to himself. He felt compelled to let all of humanity in on the truly terrifying abuses that he has had the privilege of witnessing and understanding. He felt an overwhelming responsibility to shed light on the dark side. He's lived with a crushing burden for years. He admittedly held out hope for Obama, but saw the NSA monster grow out of control. It was time.
And it was just this week that I made comment here on ZH:
"Enough comments. We need action."
Maybe it's just that he was raised by parents that made sure he knew right from wrong.
+1 for that.
I don't know anything about the NSA, but I do know about crushing burdens. I've been doing what I do for better than twenty years, and I had one project- just one- a year and a half ago that made me break close to a decade of sobriety, and it is killing me.
Problem is, it was classified- not that that would necessarily stop me from talking about it, except I wasn't cleared to know either. All I know is that based on the specs and the behavior surrounding it, it was bad news. I could speculate, and did while the project was running, but it is conjecture. I asked to be removed, and was denied.
I'd love to blow a whistle and clear my concience, but there's no whistle to blow- just dread.
It's a kind of courage to blow the whistle, I can't deny that, but it would also be a relief to some of us who just don't know enough to accurately do so. I fished and fished on that project, and got only about 20% of what it was even about. I could rant, rave and air my conjectures, but all it would do is make me look crazy and endanger my family. All it left was a choice to either die alone and crazy, or to take my wife and kids with me. Most of you would understand that that isn't a choice at all.
I am glad to see that one guy got to raise the alarm- and I hope it works out for him. If nothing else, he'll sleep better than I do until the end, which is more than I expect these days.
That said, perhaps many of us will have the balls to make his sacrifices worthwhile.........
Nor would I, Mr Snowdon is extraordinarily brave, because he has a good idea what is coming his way. Just like a soldier who runs back into a minefield to help a wounded comrade he has put his own welfare second. I wish him and his family we'll.
I am hoping the Chinese will offer him political asylum just to twink the nose of the NSA. They could probably use his expertise and insider knowledge for a few games they may wish to play.
Like the first monkey shot into space!
Like the first monkey shot into space!
do it for the children.
Hong Kong? Hopefully Ecuador has an embassy. BTW, "Buy Ecuadorean!"
How much gold will China be gifted to turn him over?
Just wait till 'Murica puts a price on his head, the sheeple will hunt him down.
I seem to remember that, back in the 1970s and 1980s, there was a country to which defectors and asylum seekers from repressive authoritarian governments could turn. It was a shining city on a hill, a beacon of liberty and hope to those living under the yoke of tyranny.
I wonder whatever happened to it.
It became terminally ill after WWII and died somewhere in the early 70's!!
What has remained all these years, was just our shadow and the dimming of that eternal light you spoke of, sort of like a star that has died thousands of light years away, is still shining bright in the sky to us!!!
BO has just given it, the final gust of air it needed to completely extinguish, but ALL those bastards that came before him back to Nixon, are equally guilty! It was always going to be our demise, this false choice of security or liberty!!! Now it has come to pass, with a little help from Apple, google, Microsoft, Facebook and the others!!!!
Welcome to the NWO citizens, it's going to be ugly!
I actually think the terminal phase of the illness started in 1913. A very bad year...
The descent into the abyss began with the US Constitution.
+ 1
We elected Brian Mulroney.
We became "them". Now we have to flee the USA.
Brother Nathanael on the NSA: http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=714
He will. It is when the whistleblower is unknown to the public that they eliminate them. Now the whole world will hear his name. If something should happened to him we will all know who is behind.
Hopeful, but after the DC Madam was 'suicided' I thought we'd hear more chatter even in the corporate media. Instead we got an deafening silence....
Please... how many politicians and others have died in small plane crashes and in other 'accidents' after raising questions about 'unpleasant' realities..........
Oh he will, he can sit in prison next to Bradley Manning. When did it become alright to reveal classified national security?? When did breaking the law make you a whistleblower??
When the crap they classify is evidence of their crimes. Ask me another easy one.
Protecting you from terrorist is a crime?? You would likely bitch if another 911 happened and blame Obama for not doing enough. You are an idiot
Oooooh, the spooky terra boogeyman gonna get you!
Boo!!!
"When did breaking the law make you a whistleblower??"
Remember, Hitler did everything legally.
++ cifo. Remember, Hitler did everything legally.
I might add, Auschwitz was conceived by PhD's, as were Stalin's Gulags.
You're the fucking idiot for buying the official propaganda.
Hook, line, and sinker.
@johnymustardfuck "Protecting you from terrorist is a crime?? You would likely bitch if another 911 happened and blame Obama for not doing enough. You are an idiot"
1) ochestrate and kill innocents... check
2) people demand action... check
3) offer solution to protect the people... check
4) manipulate solution to your own selfish/profit/power ends... check
5) lather, rinse, repeat
Fuck you, you apparatchik pussy.
"Fuck you, you apparatchik pussy" Statement of the Year!
Yes I must award points for that one, I've never heard those words strung together like that. [ Golf Claps ]
@johnnymustardseed: Piss off, paid shill.
Is this the same 9/11 where the hijackers were already known to the FBI and some agents were trying to ring alarm bells about them? Or do you mean like the Boston bombers whom the Russian intelligence warned us about?
Go suck on Big Brother's thumb if you feel scared.
You watch too much TV. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUbTe50UUgM
GTFO
I fear my government much more than I fear any and all terrorists....
The people in our gov't are the real terrorists
I fear no terrorist. My likelihood of being hurt or killed in a terrorist attack is less than my risk of an airplane crashing into my house. It could happen, but I'm not going to make any changes to mitigate the risk. Terrorists are boogymen, used to frighten people into compliance the way they used to tell children to be good or the boogyman would get them. The kind of surveillance being discussed here is a crime, an infringement of our constitutional rights. I don't like being surveilled. It creeps me out. Small infringements such as these lead to bigger and bigger infringements.
Has this dude been hacked? Or is this dribble a normal occurrence?
Johnny Mustard Seed : The US Government did 911 as an Inside Job False Flag attack.
Do some research.
johnnymustardseed said:
Turn your back to the wind, keep the blinders on, and keep drinking the Kool-Aid®, taking comfort in the fact that cowering obedience doesn't require a spine.
If you ever feel like you're beginning to awaken, just repeat the mantra, "land of the free, home of the brave," until you've lulled yourself back to sleep.
When one works for lawbreakers. Period. End of story. The Government of The United States of America is nothing more than a murderous, theiving, criminal entity.Just like every other government.
And all the parasites that work for it should be held accountable as accomplices.
When did violating the 4th amendment of every, fucking, person in this country become legal. He was under no obligation to obey any unconstitutional action and breaking a law which was in place to protect and hide these actions is not unlawful in the course of upholding the constitution.
Kindly go set yourself on fire and die.
When what your country is doing is fucking criminal and aginst the constitution and making it classified is only to cover the fucking crime, you idiot fucking sheep!
Just because you put on a fucking uniform, doesn't make you above the law, I never asked you nor wanted you to commit crimes in the name of this country or myself! If you did and YOU never exposed your govt and the men who commanded you to commit those crimes, it's you who are a fucking criminal, NOT a patriot!! This kid is the 100 times the patriot you ever fantasized about being!!
May your chains rest lightly upon you.
"When did breaking the law make you a whistleblower??"
When the law you are breaking is unconstitutional.
Hell, I'm not even a Yank and even I know that. Pity you don't.
I don't know there Johnny, let's ask Daniel Ellsberg. His law breaking, er, whistle blowing revealed that the government was involved in illegal and unconstitutional bombing of Laos and Cambodia. The release of those documents accelerated the draw down of troops and saved countless lives. I hope there's a ton of people like Snowden and Manning that come forward and pull the curtain back of the entire charade.
I will try to take your comment seriously. In the military you are trained never to follow an "improper order". They go on to define what that is. I suggest that what he was doing was perfectly in line with this military idea. He is refusing to follow an improper order.
I made the comment in other places that all the stupid government drones sitting at a million desks and computer screens in a million offices around the USA need to be thoroughly trained in this idea. You can see the arrogant assholes at the IRS doing essentially the same thing on behalf of the Democrat Party.
I want Nuremburg type trials for the IRS, NSA, CIA and any other agency that has abused it's power. I want to watch them hang while whining, "I was just doing my job!", "What could I do?", "I did not have the authority...", etc. This is exactly how free nations descend into darkness and autocracy.
You can see the arrogant assholes at the IRS doing essentially the same thing on behalf of the Democrat Party.
The guy who started it was a self-admitted Republican.
... the Cincinnati IRS manager of the screening group, a career veteran at the agency who identified himself as Republican,
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/06/09/2126151/irs-staff-undermine...
Hope he doesn't have a heart attack swimming in the pool tonight.. all the news you need...http://tinyurl.com/n8hmfya
I hope patriotic US generals are reading this and realizing the constitutional rights of their friends and family have been stolen as well.
Many of them take their oath seriously. Our only hope is that they disband this illegitimate government and restore the constitution, while prosecuting the traitors that got us to this dismal situation. This is what they trained for. Fighting the enemies of america. Not to be the enforcer for oil companies.
Corruption rises to the top.
Military Joint Chiefs of Staff and CIA killed Kennedy so they could have a War.
Billions in profits for the Establishment.
His name is Edward Snowden.
Finally, someone that actually deserves a Nobel Peace Prize. Unlike a certain politician who shall remain nameless.
+1000! Couldn't say it better.
The personal life is dead in the US.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R416PmvTKMU
I will say his name loud and clear:
Obama Bin Laden.
That's barack milhouse husein bin osama laden...show some respect, please.
Obamas actions are atrocious , but he wields no power he is a mask, and will be used by his masters and tossed away like tissue. Directing your energy at Obama is like directing your energy at a empty shell, something of no substance, and in fact the shell has been created purposely to accept your energy. This is the primary function of every of every politician in the world. Every time someones energy is diverted from issues and ideas to a shell that shell has served its purpose.
"Did Eric Snowden always have balls the size of cue balls?" -Joe Biden
"Edward is currently residing in Hong Kong, out of harm's (read America's) way."
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Really????????????????????????????????????????????????
If there is a God, please protect Eric Snowden.
Interesting take on Edward Snowden on Lame Cherry:
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/
This blog is brought to you under duress and life threats. I hope your money in your mirror mirror convinces you how Rush Limbaugh wonderful all of you rich people are in sitting on the sidelines thinking this is some game.
Edward Snowden is part of the Coup de Barack which this blog exclusively ran exposing the fraud of Rush Limbaugh in misdirection. Snowden is managed by Control, and the reason Snowden showed up in Hong Kong is a deal was worked out in the hopes that the PLA will take him into custody by President 11, and thereby a drip by drip show trial will ensue tying this all to Obama and Biden in the ruination of all they are as criminals.
It is assessed the Chicom hackers will with the information gathered be able to deconstruct the network of spying which is being employed against Americans as well as the Chicoms. This is the using your enemy to expose B. Hussein and to wipe out the Terminator surveillance which is tracking and blackmailing people like Michele Bachmann etc...
More is to come in this, as this coup is still building and will not end with a President Biden. Things will be revealed that Obama's adopted mum, Stan Ann would rise from the grave and denounce him. This will be thorough as this has now gone past the point of no return. Resources have been compromised and exposed. This will reach end game in only one victor.
Lame Cherry's site is weird but he or she has predicted things a week before they have happened. He does not like Obama and knows he is a puppet. He does not like frauds like Limbaugh or Levin (both support Rubio's amnesty). LC thinks Limbaugh is another Operation Mockingbird (CIA) disinformation stooge like all of TV and Hollywood. He said Limbaugh mentioning America is being stolen in acoup last Friday might be a signal. Lame Cherry predicted on Friday that in the next 7 days that the trap on O might be sprung.
Lame Cherry mentions that Snowden is managed by Control which probably means CIA. Lame Cherry has been saying for a few weeks the real power structure may be just about done with Obama. He mentions President 11 who is the leader or president of China. PLA which is the People's Liberation Army in China who run the show. Weird how Snowden pops up when Obama's is in China probably giving China the oil in Alaska in enchange for worthless treasuries. Snowden would have known O would be there.
Lame Cherry's stuff is weird and encoded but some of the stuff is very detailed. Details on the murder of Breitbart, Obama's bad health which is getting worse and who is really in charge of the world. LC also points out Obama has asian and african background. His American mother and grandparents were not the real mother and grandparents. Yes it may sound wild by why all the sealed documents on Obama. O appears to be a CIA cutout with a fake identity.
On another subject - Kudos to the Turkish people who are making Obama's islamist pal Erdogan's life miserable in Turkey. The Turks are even saying he is an islamist. It is a shame Americans do not have the guts of the Turks and Egyptians who are fighting against Obama's islamist stooges.
Weird how Snowden pops up when Obama's is in China ...
Obama was in Los Angeles and Palm Springs when this news broke - meeting with Chinese leaders.
Thank you Eric Snowden!
This kid is so brave. So sad.
We may not be able to save him, but let us not forget to piss in the King's soup....
No matter what we are or who
Some duties everyone must do
A poet puts aside his wreath
To comb his hair and brush his teeth.
And even Earls must brush their curls
And even Kings have underthings.
Arthur Guiterman
DUDE - THEY ARE GONNA BRADLEY MANNING YOUR ASS. Shoulda done the manifesto as Hooded Incognito Man. Dang. I will give you credit for having a huge pair of balls. Let's hope that the NSA doesn't cut them off for you.
"DUDE..."
His name is Edward Snowden.
"My name...is...NEO!"
Will he have an accidental death, like slipping in the tub or cutting his own throat shaving, accident-like?
Snowden is an actor planted by the Obama government. This whistleblower story is a simulation. The real story is elsewhere.
If true, watch for a retraction or other "I was only trying to make buck, and get my fifteen minutes of fame", statement within the next seven business days.
Not impossible. We watch....
I'm scratching my head over this a bit as well. I'm not sure what exactly he gave to the Guardian or if they published all of it yet, but most of what I read so far was already public knowledge for the tin-foil hat crowd. Intelligence 'Fusion systems' are certainly no state secret. The government's preferred Israeli vendor - Narus - has a job posting up right now for Director of Sales - U.S. Gov't. They would prefer someone with proven DoD contacts:
http://www.narus.com/working-here/working-here
Another preferred Israeli vendor - Verint - makes the other snooping sofware. Who do people think they sell this crap to?
http://www.verint.com/solutions/communications-cyber-intelligence/index.html
The NSA is not the only agency that snoopes on us domestically, and PRISM isn't the only data dumpster. They're not even the first - the DEA built the black rooms in AT&T hubs in 1997. The FBI has a different system and the CIA another.
so what is the response from the stasis in dc? how many have committed harakiri? too busy circling the wagons! oops - this message was recorded - wait - obamists (fashioned after stalin) are knocking at the door!
Anyone on this blog foolish enough to believe this scandal will cost Obama or Dems one single voter? Please......those idiotic filth would lick his asshole afer he defecated on them doing a brown out. Diarrhea even.
Amazing...no script, no teleprompter needed by Eric. Obama must really be angry now.
The expected tragedy of this is that nothing will change, it will get worse and he will be hunted while the real criminals will walk away as usual.
One can only hope that the guillotine will one day catch up with the real criminals and that as they walk up its steps they will contemplate what they have done to this young man, Manning, and millions of others.
Dear listening intelligence services,
I want to go on vacation next month. Please let me know what false-flags and/or "overthrows" you have planned for July and where. I don't want to get caught up in anything and knowing would help me plan better. I was originally going to go to Turkey, but that seems out now, but I hear Greece is just lovely.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks, and cold regards.
1. Here is a guy who should truly get the Medal of Freedom based on what I just read.
2. He did the only smart thing he could do which is go public. To be visible and public is his only chance, otherwise the CIA or some other agency might find him first and he would get "disappeared".
3. He was also smart and U.S. citizens should find it significant that he went to a British paper. Our major media are lapdogs for the State, not to mention they are insufferably lazy and stupid. Have you watched what tries to pass for a serious interview these days?
4. God bless Eric Snowden. I hope he stays safe and his family, too. If we had real militia in a free country I would post guards.
5. Conversely, damn the CIA, NSA and all the others who take us down the dark road to Big Brother and autocracy. I hope they receive their "reward", as well.
6. For others in government, whether IRS, CIA, Labor...time for the few of you left with any conscience to come forward. "Just following orders" won't cut it.
7. For us libertarian types (including most ZH readers)...yup, we have been right all along.
His name is Eric Snowden...
Only in death does a member of project mayhem have a name. His name will shortly be; Eric Snowden.
"His name is Robert Paulson!" - Fight Club
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCi_PIz5ekU
What does he know about the Fed's gold rehypothecation?
Yes, it's a shame bankster interns aren't as public-minded.
I guess it's saying a lot when a CIA operative is more ethical than someone working for the central banks.
They screw the bankers screwing us.
So an American NSA subcon, hiding in China, leaks to a UK news agency about the US government's survillence of US citizens.
This show is great. Think it’ll get a 2nd season?
This guy has about two weeks before the CIA disappear him. No body, no investigation, nothing.
Actually, I think his choice of venue was rather well thought. Do you think the HK government or the Mainland Chinese are going to allow the CIA to do what it wants in Hong Kong to someone like this?
And does anyone think the Triads need this headache?
Hmmm...
For some Arr Emm Bee or some Gold they will smoke him WB7.
That would embarrass the Triads' hosts, which could lead to undesirable repercussions initiated by those further up the pyramid.
WB,
He's in your hood. Maybe you could immortalize him, buy him a beer.
The triads have been around hundreds of years longer than the Party. The triads are the host. And no, they will not countenance being embarrassed in their own country.
They've got some fantastic political leverage with him, but they could pretty easily sell him off for something they really want, eg 'you can have him, but when we invade xxx you mind your own fucking business'.
Pretty admirable...and his choice of hideouts is perfect. Think the Chinese would put up with the NSA popping his clogs in their protectorate? I bet they try. Meanwhile, if he keeps singing like a canary to the Chinese intelligence, they may cover him for a little while. Plus demanding his handover will provide some entertainment.
Disagree. He's the Gift That'll Keep Giving... If the US gets silly or cute, more revelations 'may'/will come forth.
Sorry, but O will have to swallow this one.
I'm sure Batman's available to fly in and extradite him in the name of justice.
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Sure, all it takes is the CIA having something the Chinese want...or even something they don't want in the light of day.
Ah, the sweet scent of barter is on the air.
I think it was brilliant. He went to HK and not the mainland, too. He has to go to someone hostile to the U.S. and not thoroughly infiltrated.
They are cowardly amateurs, it's actually quite pathetic. Tell me again the story of their superiority.
Actually, by going public he has saved himself. The leak is done, killing him doesn't stop the damage. If he dies, it will be seen as another ugly stain on the US. If they can extradite him and prosecute, they will do that as a deterrent to others.
He may actually get rich writing books and lecturing. Look at Nick Leeson, who served 4 years for the fraud "rogue" trading that destroyed Baring bank.
Great post. Epileptic seizures are real eye openers. After experiencing them death is not so scary. It makes it easier to do the right thing even though that is the most difficult thing to accomplish.
Snowden: 'I could target a federal judge, even the president.'
Tells you a lot about why separation of powers is suspended, don't it?
All Branches of Government blackmailed or terrorized into compliance with the NWO.
At the rate these scandals are breaking we're all going to be suffering from epilepsy............
He suddenly developed epilepsy at age 28 and is now 29. He's left his job, girlfriend, country, and he's living in a hotel running up bills that make even the reporter take note. He's directly taken on the CIA and NSA by revealing state secrets.
Why does this spell out "brain tumor" to me, along with "not much longer to live anyway?"
… or will that just be the official line once he's found dead?
For "our" protection, "Epileptic seizures" and those that suffer from it, will probably be added to the list of "terrorist" "trigger words," "additional scrutiny" by the TSA, the "kill-list," the "signature" droning list, those not allowed within 1,000 feet of schools, churches, par,ks, etc. and those "restricted" from owning firearms.
Dear listening intelligence services,
Wow! As you most likely know by now, I have been selected to put on a play at our community theater. They want me to do the play I wrote called "Crying but Not Crying."--it's in the "Documents" folder under "My Plays"
My question is, do you know if "Robbie Parker" and "Gene Rosen" are available and how I would get a hold of them? They were so good in Sandy Hook, unappreciated I would say, that I would love to have them be in my play. I think that they could add that bit of magic that would bring my play alive.
Thanks, and cold regards.
support page
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Edward-Snowden-Support-Page/341149745987400
I can only assume that linking directly to a Face Book page is your attempt at parody, right?
I'm into Dark Humor, but that shit is night-black.
Deliciously EVIL!
Well played, Mr. ZOGgl.
ZH is also part of the social media Landscape. Any alternative suggestions to turn this into a revolution? OK, I can 3D print out my personal gun and shoot down these bastards.
By directly linking, you're basically firebombing ZH with direct shadow data to the FB system.(Not that Switzerland doesn't have Onyx). That's extremely dangerous, at least for those allowing trackers + scripts to run, and who have a FB profile (be it direct or shadowed via family & friends).
Many sites ban FB links for this exact reason.
But, if it was a deliberate middle finger and you know what you're doing, more power to you.
Aliens movie dialogue when discussing Carter Burke comes to mind.
Hudson: Fuck. He's dead. You're dog-meat, pal!
Burke: This is so nuts. I mean, listen - listen to what you're saying. It's paranoid delusion. How - It's really sad. It's pathetic.
Ripley: You know, Burke, I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage.
Hicks: All right, we waste him. No offense.
That was a sly edit from your original quote.
Not sure if death threat or not?
You are smart computer wise but apparently no so much otherwise.
I was speaking metaphorically about membership on this site if they guy is doing something purposefully harmful as you stated.
Sly edit? Death Threat? I think you are paranoid in the extreme. Sorry, I'll steer far clear of your posts.
Burke: This is so nuts. I mean, listen - listen to what you're saying. It's paranoid delusion. How - It's really sad. It's pathetic.
I told you my sense of humor was dark - the video is the deleted scene where Burke's fate is revealed; he's got a chest-burster inside him, and Ripley doesn't give him a coup de grace, she just leaves him. Work out the humor.
Fucking A-Right!
I must thank you for linking to that deleted scene - copacstic.
Having watched Aliens too many times, rarely getting the cut containing the scene when Newt and her family find the ship, this scene was something I never saw before.
Thanks.
I talked to a crazy person, fuck.
See above. It'd also have been a little more honest if you'd admitted you edited it.
Your original contained the lines: Hudson: I say we grease this rat-fuck son-of-a-bitch right now. and Hudson: Fuck. He's dead. You're dog-meat, pal!
You just missed the joke ;)
No.
Sorry.
Out.
Learn to read: I assumed exactly the opposite.
By explaining how FB shadow tracking works (including a couple of links to reputable sources, it exists you moron), I was assuming 100% that he didn't do it intentionally. I then ended my statement by saying "But if you know what you're doing...".
My response to your rather crass use of Burke vrs Marines (Corporate Power slime bag vrs Honest, Good, down-to-earth Military HEROES, Hollywood level stuff) was to make a meta joke revolving around the use of paranoid delusions and threw in an extra bone over using a deleted clip from the film. If you need a bit more of a hint, why am I comfortable posting in a thread with such a tracker bomb? There's three options, and I don't work for FB, eliminating one - so I'm either immune to said tracking, or I don't care about it.
Totally the work of a deranged mind! In a thread about someone leaking how NSA mines data from Social Networks work, discussing trackers that have been proven to exist and are used by Facebook is madness? Wow. Your world must be fascinating.
Your problem is that you assume anything you can't understand must be mental illness. That's an old Soviet conditioning trick, by the by. Blinkers old chap, blinkers. Woof woof.
Facebook metadata collection small scale compared to the NSA Government metadata collection, but a good example of the insidious process.
Amazon dot com also does similar things on a much smaller commercial scale.
Background Links to all the cookie monsters.
Internet as the World's largest Spy Machine.
Who created the Internet ? NSA ?
I'm guessing you're suffering from mental illness as well? Good to be in company.
That's all right, I know where my "diagnosis" is coming from:
An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older — about one in four adults — suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year.1 When applied to the 2004 U.S. Census residential population estimate for ages 18 and older, this figure translates to 57.7 million people.2 Even though mental disorders are widespread in the population, the main burden of illness is concentrated in a much smaller proportion — about 6 percent, or 1 in 17 — who suffer from a serious mental illness[source]
Good old DSM IV. Either a huge number of people in American society are sick, or there's something making people sick, or it's useful tool. Do the research, come to your own conclusions.
Back in the old days it was much simpler: "Burn the Heretic".
Any minor "mental illness" is now a totalitarian excuse to take away civil rights, especially gun rights.
DARPA
These silly nom-du-net disguises are pretty thin veneer, anyway. I went ahead and visited the FB page, knowing all that, and passed the link on in FB.
This guy is a real hero, like Daniel Ellsberg.
OK guys, why is Ed a hero? He blows the whistle AND he exposed himself personally - he is not anonymous. This is leadership. Avoiding visibility and rather live a comfortable life on a good paycheck is exactly what Ed is NOT proposing. To get this spirit you may relisten to the Guardian video again.
Use Ghostery.
Zog, you should have just said: "Yeah, it was a joke" it was sublime in its creamy smooth evil.
A lot of these other scandals, I think, are to create a lot of smoke to distract us from the Obama amnesty. If they get amnesty - the Matrix is done. O and the elites will have 30 million supporters backing the police state. McCain, Marco Rubio and Lindsay Graham are backing Obama and the NSA.
ZH, Mises.org, LewRockwell.com, etc. are all doomed. I would say that sometime in the next year or two we will all learn that they were hosting "kiddie" porn, "pirated" music, movies and books and got themselves shutdown.
Thats the best place if you want them to know... :)
Reflexivity. I they spy on you, your opinion will be recogniced.
Damn man, thats the most twisted post I have ever seen !!!
The world needs hero's.
Amen, bro.
Let's hope Fight Club remembers them all.
I don't get it. This guy isn't a first-responder, and hasn't killed any Muslims in their homes, so what's with the "hero" tag?
Better question: how many heros of Islam, Muslims, killed another Muslim today? And a better question: When a Sunni kills a Shia Muslim does he/she get to paradise before the Shia Muslim who kills a Sunni?
Islam is such a funny belief system.
So is the dollar.
/sarc?
they are gonna gitmo waterboard hizass
RIP
Thats the prob these days. ^^^^^
Heroic. This takes real courage, given the track record of our, um, "administration." He needs our support.
He's a patriot in my book.
Patrick Henry comes to my mind
But where are the courageous heroes with insider knowledge about all the other George W. Obama Government treasonous scandals?
Terrorized by Tyranny of Government.
I wonder how thick the bunker walls have to be to thwart a hellfire missile from a drone? No, it will probably just be a "heart attack" while out for a walk.