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Snowden Withdraws Russia Asylum Request; Nine Countries Deny Application
Things are turning from bad to worse for the real-life version of The Terminal's Edward Snowden, who a day after applying to 21 countries for political asylum has been flooded with rejection letters near and far, even as he was forced to cancel his application to his current host nation, Russia, after being told he would have to stop leaking secrets as a condition to stay. More from the FT: "The 30-year-old fugitive’s options narrowed further on Tuesday when China reacted coolly to the idea of him moving there, Poland rejected an application and other European nations said asylum requests had to be made in the country."
Of the 21 applicants listed yesterday, so far 9 countries have rejected his asylum status application. These include:
- Austria
- Brazil
- Ecuador
- Finland
- India
- Ireland
- Norway
- Poland
- Spain
And with Russia now out of the running too, 10 out of 21 on the original list are out. The bulk of these countries rejected the application on a technicality, claiming that the applicant must be on their soil before he or she can be granted asylum status.
The countries still remaining on the eligible list include:
- Bolivia
- China
- Cuba
- France
- Germany
- Iceland
- Italy
- the Netherlands
- Nicaragua
- Switzerland
- Venezuela
Of the above 11 Venezuela appears to be his best bet: “[Snowden] deserves the world’s protection. He has not asked us for it yet. When he does we will give our answer,” Venezuela's new president Máduro told Reuters during a visit to Moscow. “We think this young person has done something very important for humanity, has done a favour to humanity, has spoken great truths to deconstruct a world that . . . is controlled by an imperialist American elite.” Maduro added that his government had yet to receive a request, despite it being on the WikiLeaks list, but that he sympathised with the man wanted by Washington on spying charges.
What is shocking is how quickly Snowden's original destination, Ecuador, flipped a U-turn on his request. One wonders just what revealing pictures of Correa the NSA must have in its Utah facility.
On Monday, Ecuador which appeared to be Mr Snowden’s destination when he left Hong Kong 10 days ago, on Monday said it was no longer considering his request. “It was a mistake on our part” to have helped him travel to Russia,” President Rafael Correa said in an interview with the Guardian newspaper.
As for Russia:
Dmitry Peskov, President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman, told reporters on Tuesday that Mr Snowden “has abandoned this idea and his request for permission to stay in Russia”.
Mr Peskov said Russia had no plans to kick Mr Snowden out of Sheremetyevo airport where has been since June 23. “The extradition of Snowden to such a country as the United States, which applies the death penalty, is impossible,” he said.
However, he suggested that Moscow was not anxious for Mr Snowden to stay, echoing comments on Monday by Mr Putin. “Hypothetically, Snowden could stay in Russia but on one condition – he must abandon his intentions to engage in any form of anti-American activity that could be damaging for the United States,” Mr Peskov said.
Finally, as for China:
The Chinese government dodged questions about Mr Snowden’s application on Tuesday. “I have seen related reports, but I don’t have any information on the issue,” said Hua Chunying, foreign ministry spokeswoman.
Mo Shaoping, a lawyer for Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo, said he was not aware of asylum cases in China. “As far as I know, China doesn’t have laws in this area,” he said.
One wonders is Snowden's fate to return to the US, and face a lifetime in prison, if and when all of his purported future homelands give up on him?
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Guardian has released an updated list of where the asylum applicant countries stand currently:
Austria
No. The interior minister, Johanna Mikl-Leitner, said Snowden would have to submit his request for asylum while on Austrian soil. But she added that he would not be deported if he arrived in Austria because "there is no international arrest warrant".
Bolivia
No response.
Brazil
No. A foreign ministry spokesman said Brazil would not grant asylum, adding that it would leave the request unanswered.
China
No response.
Cuba
No response.
Ecuador
No. The president, Rafael Correa, said he was not considering Snowden's asylum request. In an interview with the Guardian, Correa said Snowden would have to reach Ecuadorean territory before the country would consider any asylum request. The US has cancelled Snowden's passport, and Correa said his government would not give Snowden an authorised travel document to extract himself from Moscow airport. "The right of asylum request is one thing, but helping someone travel from one country to another – Ecuador has never done this."
Finland
No. The Finnish foreign ministry spokeswoman Tytti Pylkkö said Finnish law required Snowden to be in the country for him to apply.
France
No response. The president, François Hollande, has called for a common EU stance on the NSA snooping.
Germany
No response.
Iceland
No response.
India
No. Syed Akbaruddin, a spokesman for India's foreign ministry, said on Twitter: "Following careful examination we have concluded that we see no reason to accede to the Snowden request"
Italy
No response.
Ireland
No. A spokesman for the department of justice said that under Irish law an asylum application could only be accepted from a person who had landed in or was within the state.
The Netherlands
No response.
Nicaragua
No response.
Norway
No. The Norwegian deputy justice secretary, Paal Loenseth, told the state broadcaster NRK: "Applying for asylum should be done on Norwegian soil. According to normal procedures … his demand will be denied."
Poland
No. The foreign minister, Rados?aw Sikorski, wrote on his Twitter account: "I will not give a positive recommendation."
Russia
No. Snowden withdrew his request after Vladimir Putin's statement making clear that he would be welcome only if he stopped "his work aimed at bringing harm" to the United States.
Spain
No. The foreign minister, José García-Margallo, told reporters in the Spanish parliament: "For it [the application] to be legally admissible, it has to be made by a person who is in Spain."
Switzerland
No response.
Venezuela
Possible. On a visit to Moscow, the president, Nicolás Maduro, said he would consider an asylum request and said the whistleblower "deserves the world's protection".
"We think this young person has done something very important for humanity, has done a favour to humanity, has spoken great truths to deconstruct a world … that is controlled by an imperialist American elite," he said.
But asked whether he would take Snowden back to Venezuela with him, Maduro answered wryly: "What we're taking with us are multiple agreements that we're signing with Russia, including oil and gas."
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Which is a weasel-style way to reject the request, without seeming like the card-carrying members of the NWO Klub that they are. Make no mistake, if he's the real deal (and I still have my doubts), he is already a dead man.
Which is legally impossible and they know it. Cowards and accomplices, all. Show up, asylum request DENIED, deported on the next flight. Sorry about that!
They've gladly bent the rules for less deserving people in other scenarios - but only when it didn't cost Uncle Sugar anything.
Taking it at face value...
To grant such a request would be a pretty clear signal that the US is the bully. Russia is willing to do it for that alone, but Snowden's statements are just as bothersome to the Russian intelligence apparatus as that of the US. This kind of whistleblowing could happen anywhere, because everyone engaged in some really sick shit.
Cowards?
You going to invade Russia to bust his ass to freedom?
No?
Yellerbelly, there?
So you have to be in the country to get asylum?? Hmmm...
Usually. Other than that you have to at least get into a target diplomatic building somewhere. A "promise" of asylum will normally not be made public until the person is "secure" but can be quietly arranged if all parts agree.
This story is starting not to make any sense. Unless TPTB all over the world want to prove once and for all. Fighting the elite status quo is useless.
BINGO!!!
unless of course "you're one guy who knows everything." we're looking like a pooper power here.
He is starting to get irrational, if not desperate or coming unhinged. The pressures and tug of war interests are HUGE. Makes him human and real, but...
even so, the Bank Guy in Brussels gives the best SA (Situational Analysis) and prudent course of action.
Ed, if you persist in keeping this issue on the front page of the world, you must realize that martyrdom will be the outcome. If you choose to persist, you'll have a short life, but will live on as a Legend to inspire others. And, as you indicated yesterday, that is exactly what TPTB fear and want to avoid.
Wish you serenity, wisdom, courage and ever more public support.
There you have it. There's only one superpower in the world, and that's the good ole USSA. The international circuit is really an old boys club and they're not going to go out on a limb, escpecially when Amerika is THE tree trunk, for some former spook (who kinda sounds a bit naive to the world of spookdom).
It's worse than that. The USA doesn't control the world as an independent tyrant. It is simply a puppet of the NWO.
Correct. The USSA is the Enforcement arm of the NWO Globalists.
does that leave NATO or the Jesuits running the drugs?
At 30 years old .... snot nosed kids .... aren't wise enough .... to be conscientious heroes !
I know plenty of "snot nosed kids" who have a hell of a lot more wisdom than some wise ass sitting in his pajamas spewing hatred from his computer. Age does not equal wisdom.
Monedas does jihad comedy!
You can tell by the down arrows how well he "does jihad comedy"
Even MillionDollarBonus gets more greenies....
"does jihad comedy", Now that's funny...a greenie for you MsC
he can stay at my house. not.
He's welcome here.
Sweden! Hot blonde babes!
And false rape allegations.
And "Calendar Boyz" !
“The extradition of Snowden to such a country as the United States, which applies the death penalty, is impossible”
From the country that used to run gulags. My, how times have changed, no?
No. Russia has the same toolbag as the rest of the world. They all do it. Some admit it, some "legalize" it, some don't.
Could a US Congressman, from TX perhaps, help broker a deal here?
How many of the countries on the eligible list have embassies in Russia and are those embassies considered their soil?
The Russians won't let him leave the Moscow airport free zone without "proper" travel documents, which he doesn't have.
"What is shocking is how quickly Snowden's original destination, Ecuador, flipped a U-turn on his request. One wonders just what revealing pictures of Maduro the NSA must have in its Utah facility."
No, it's just that poor, piss-ant little countries are easy to threaten and/or bribe.
I believe Equador has oil contracts with one or more usa bigs. I can't think of a single country that would want him.
France. "of course having him is a whole nother thing entirely." oo lala...
Winston get the blinders off.
No, it's just that poor, piss-ant little countries are easy to threaten and/or bribe.
If that were true they wouldn't have to murder so many - Like Jaime Robles and Omar Torejos. Read the Economic Hitman.
They try blackmail and move on to murder.
In North Korea .... he will have plenty of .... walking around counterfeit $100 bills .... the problem is .... you're not allowed .... to walk around ! LOL
I'm surpised the French haven't picked him as much as they dislike America right now. I guess with his high tech skills he might be overqualified to be French.
With his bravery, Snowden is definitely overqualified to be French.
The French don't dislike us THAT much, only publically when we suggest changing stuff in their country or dictating their foreign policy. "Hey France, how about invading Iraq with us, what do you say?" Pass the Freedom Fries please.
The world leaders are all saying in one voice..."there is no safe place to hide from the NWO"!
His first mistake was being so public and letting everyone know who he was.
The guy knows the system well enough how to escape it, what was so hard about him figuring out how to leak without having to go public to protect himself?
I think the Bee Gees covered that one- it's called Staying Alive!
I f he did not reveal who he was, he might as well be Michael Hastings (RIP).
The Snowden revelations have not failed. If you were expecting the world to change the day the Telegraph published the disclosure, you may be disappointed with the lack of meaningful change. But, that's not how things work.
The world doesn't change in a day in drastic and obvious ways. Rather, it's a process that takes time. I like to think of applying a consistent and unrelenting pressure that weighs on a thing, and over some time, can truly change the world.
Snoweden didn't initiate the pressure, he simply increased it, just as all the attention and public outcry he sparked have done; just as all the other recent whistleblowers have done and all the future whistleblowers will do, and just as we do here.
Don't get discouraged. Keep applying pressure. As it continues to build, change will come. The established power will give, inch by inch (just as they incrementally take) like a pressure relief valve, so the whole machine doesn't explode. Either way we win, and the oppression of our age will be lifted.
Pressure and Time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J7Z5BFAvoY
Thr world sulks back into it Zionist slavery mindset...I am starting to think Russia isn't going to save Syria...
Yeah, they were never that Syria's.....(rimshot)
Hey, I lol'd.
Well, I was thinking of visiting Syria until I heard that one of our CIA allies would like to eat my heart out. Maybe we should send them some MRE's along with all the guns and ammo.
Don't forget the sarin gas.
under operational protocols we now refer to that as the "salad dressing"
If that's so, then the fall back question looks like - is Gazprom willing to save Syria?
Why is any of this information in the public domain Telegraphing every move, if this is actually the truth, only allows time for the U.S. to manipulate any potential host country. I would expect an abundance of misinformation coming from the Snowden camp.
Kind of ironic....someone wondering about Snowden's privacy.
I was just thinking there is no spoon, and hoping not to see 10,000 of them. Ironic indeed :D
Some of that manipulation requires pretending an existing problem with war, weapons, smuggling, etc., has no relation to the current incident. By being so public this route of manipulation is eliminated.
Well, this certainly was a bust...
http://news.antiwar.com/2013/06/27/ecuador-cancels-us-trade-pact-over-repeated-threats/
"When goods stop flowing over the borders, the troops start marching over them." ~Gerald Celente
he should apply to Krakozhia
i never saw more than three real possibles on that list anyway
russia
china
venezuela
and really, if the big two on that list wont take him , he's fucked
in venezuela he'd be looking over his shoulder forever
no one really wants to piss off the kid with the biggest stick
Venezuela has a 'great' justice system. If you're suspected of a crime, you're locked up forever in a pen of violent criminals. His accent might stand out a little there. U.S. execution doesn't sound so bad.
No European country will allow Snowden in unless they want their IMF funding to dry up.
you mean Germany needs a bailout? hmmmmm....
Looks like DB does. Abused in a bad way before the Germans started waking up to the world around them.
Do you mean Snowden is an enemy of the secret Joo society?
Of course you do.
Antarctica wasn't mentioned in the short list. Since hell has already frozen over down there I'm sure he'd be accepted immediately. He's made some very stupid moves, including making his personal odessey into a public diplomatic impossibility. He might as well go "Joe Turner" and just disappear altogether. He should be able to figure out how to do that, considering the business he was in.
He was dumb enough to think going public would protect him, so don't count on it.
The public has no power to protect him, that's the idea behind government spying on individuals, to ensure they don't.
Tell Snowden, not me. I know I'm not safe when I speak out. I have no expectations of my own safety.
Right on. Do you suppose he's proving to the world that governments are in collusion against citizens by knowing full well his requests for asylum will be rejected?
The down arrow guy is here today. again
Snowden is going to have to reveal how the eavesdropping was used to blackmail judges or politicians or something similiar to get people's attention. So far it's just they are listening which to me is disgusting enough. But to the low info crowd(majority?) they will need to hear something that shocks them into reacting. A gay in the closet married politician getting blackmailed with being outed or something like that. American do not have critical thinking skills and they can't connect the dots without names and actual examples of how insidious this eavesdropping is.
Round two of asylum requests may be preceded by selective releases. Also, publishing the asylum list may have been code for what isto be released next. His current communication options are somewhat limited.
It's plausible deniability.
USA: Can we have him back now?
Russia: Who? That Snowden character? We denied him asylum...haven't seen him in weeks.
Perhaps Mexico should be on the list. The U.S. would NEVER threaten Mexico and Snowden can just walk back and forth across the border unmolested at will.
Snowden will get a job running guns for Holder now that he's finally an illegal immigrant.
japan loves nukes. Germany loves violent propaganda. move along.
The only thing that this whole circus taught me is if you want to pursue human rights and freedom, don't do it in the USA or any other first world country, they will make your life hell if you survive.
To think Vietnam Refuseniks thought they could escape to Canada. That was then, now they would be hunted down and terminated. The USA has moved a long way down the path to Stalinism as the 1960s generation has matured into government power
You sure about that? I don't see the 60s draft dodgers or protesters running the MSM, Wall St, the MIC, or Big Oil.
Whatever "Gov power" some of these former hippies might posses, is of the "useful tool" variety, and not Strategic, Top Leadership.
He should stay in Russia while Putin is starting to master the schizophrenic irony of Western diplomatic language. I almost applauded with delight when I heard him mention that Ed should not hurt his US partners if he stays in Russia.
I'd like to send him some money. Maybe to his parents? Before the govt closes the window. Be easier for all concerned, funding wise, if the Swiss accepted him. It'll also be a game changer for aggressive US diplomacy to attack a country famous for neutrality, wealth, and democracy. Hope the Swiss are still pissed about FATCA, enough to stick a finger up at Obama and his minions.
Iceland & a gravestone next to Bobby Fischer.
I was hoping Iceland might stand up and take him.
BTW - who is the f**k who keeps downvoting everyone? Everyone gets a -1 down vote. Some NWO tard - I am sure.
Please consider -1 as default 0 for today.
Iceland would never work. The Icelandic people may be great, but it is too small. Too remote. Too easy. Read up on the demise of the anti-zionist Jew Bobby Fischer ... in Iceland as was hinted at above.
I read on some G8 thread that Putin travels outside the country with his own food. No whatever could that be about??
Why do folks say he is immature and naïve?
Why are these countries afraid? If the US retaliates, won't it look too obvious on the world stage? Won't that be more obvious evidence of the facism?
I'm an American but Gawd...fuck us! This sucks so bad.
He's a one-time Buddhist who broke both legs in a Special Forces training accident.
I agree with you. Folks should show some respect.
Personally I think we should all stand our ground here but I would not question whatever call he makes.
"I think we should all stand our ground"
Tell that to Zimmernman.
Phil? He stood is ground for 3 years against the NSA.
And won.
When the US retaliates, the knee on that country's throat won't be obvious to the public.
"If the US retaliates, won't it look too obvious on the world stage?"
You think all they (read: the leaders and owners of these countries) stand to lose by getting on America's shit list would be - for them - worth the meager social/political capital afforded by an act of diplomatic goodwill to Snowden, and maybe a chance to point a finger at the bully?
No. That's a good way to get the shit freed out of you, see your IMF loans dry up, experience strange financial exchange anomalies, have your government infiltrated by Goldmanites and spooks, get passed over for trade deals, etc. etc. etc. They're all nothing but pathetic "petrodollar welfare queens". They know who butters their bread. And at heart, they would do everything the US has done, if they could afford it and get away with it.
Problem is China's already routing around with the dollar-exclusion trade practices and you better believe that's not OK with the IMF, World Bank or Federal Reserve much less US Gov't.
Pittsburgh will take him but they have a lot of narcs there.
Cuba!!
Nothing for Cuba to lose from the US.
Screw it, Ed. Come on home. Lie down and let the Lord handle the rest.
You done good.
That's a very good comment Jim, + 1
After all, all these fuckers have secrets they are protecting.
NWO bichez.
Maybe he should try Iran or North Korea, who fear nothing.
They fear us, they just have to puff themselves up in front of their own people and trade partners.
It appears half the Western world is full of dick-sucking Fascists.
No = bad for business and nothing else.
Think Widowmaker will be paying a visit or supporting the spineless panty sniffers when the Stasi comes for Eurotrash? Eat shit.
... Great way to smoke out who friends are not, which is what this is really about.
He should apply to every nation on Earth. The rejection/acceptance tally would contain invaluable info about the true state of geopolitics.
The target has been neutralized.
This is where all that spying pays off for the US.
If you give him asylum, we will reveal your dirty little secrets.
A shame that it has come to this.
Nice observation.
Thats exactly it, we've reached a tipping point. When all digital information is stored forever and can be gone through with a fine tooth comb, who is not sin free and therefore easily susceptible to extortion. When SHTF it will be over in an instant, all they have to do is flip the switch. No one will stand up to the government when the government has everything on you, they used to only have the resources to do this to highly valuable assets. Now its everyone, everywhere. Sometimes I regret reading 1984.
You can thank Silicon Valley for the ways and means, ironically enough.
All the more reason I feel no guilt or shame in refusing to be a part of it.
I feel free for not being a part of it.
Just like all those scientists and engineers who designed and built the 20th century's arsenal of mass death and destruction.
All that CIA, DoD, Congressional, and (D)ARPA funding was really nothing but the 30 pieces of silver for these cowardly bootlicking enablers.
What's sad is that Phil Zimmerman made sure PGP was available & free, various modules & add-ons were made for email clients over the years. pgpfone was made for landlines, and everyone ignored it. 1992 or 1993 to today we've had it available. NO ONE is using it. It's sad.
We could have thwarted all their domestic unlawful surveillance so they'd see it as pointless to try to gather data for encrypted contents. They may never have built PRISM or Darkweb in the first place.
All our choices, including non-actions, have consequences.
I can't stand the Huffington Post, but I will occasionally read it just to get angry. They are crucifying Edward Snowden. A headline today:
Snowden Reportedly Getting Major Help From Infamous Group
The infamous group in the article is Wikileaks.
That Huff bitch is an opportunistic Ho.
She kept her ex-husband's Waspy name for mileage, and fakes a social conscience for branding & profitability. But cares only about herself, deep down.
I got better things to do than read het rag, or enhance her site visit stats -- which in itself helps with ads and makes her richer.
He can stay with me for as long as he likes. Fuck the cowards.
Wow, so our United States of America is ALREADY in control of the world. I didn't realize that. All these countries must be lip flapping pretending to be shocked that we're surveying all citizens globally.
Predatory lending disguised as "grants" - American buys it's allies.
Tie off the arm, lookin' for a vein, don't want to miss the spot."
Bank won't lend. America's generosity is all there is all that's left we got.
Don't want to miss this hit. Don't want to let go.
I just need this little bitty money, how much you'll never know."
(signed "World Leaders who fell for it" sold out the future of mankind to live comfortably)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxaIga7Z62o
Charlie Feathers (Lookin' for that Special Woman)
Ransom. Money.
He is yet to be apprehended by US officials, so he could apply for asylum in the US. They'll gladly take him in and give him a night on the Rack and a couple of days in an Iron Maiden. Force feed him a few hits of acid so he can tell the truth about all of the lies. You know how they lie all of the time.
He must know something or have some goods on some folks in the military or the US gov.
All he has to do is take a cab to the US embassy in Moscow and take refuge there. Wear a helmet cam to record it all.
I think I know why he didn't pick Iran.
All your governments are belong to us.
Signed,
puppet master
I am thinking the US has put out the word that if you grant him asylum you will lose access to SWIFT. Perhaps Iran is a valid option for him. ;-)
I'm from Poland and I say: "FUCK RADOS?AW SIKORSKI".
Snowden you are welcome in Poland. Come to my place, we will drink some vodka!
Great offer, but after drinking Russian vodka, will Polish vodka be good enough? Maybe he would prefer aronia wine?
Snowden's name was just added to Mars One application list.
Glenn Greenwald interview on Fox this a.m. with Christ the Redeemer statue in background...could Snowden already be in Brazil?
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/greenwald-slams-obama-on-fox-and-friends-targ...
Greenwald lives in Brazil.
Greenwald smuggled Snowden to Brazil in his shaving bag!
Apparently the Hotel Snowden is staying at in the Russian airport is going to turn into an Extended Stay hotel.
Man you must have a boring life when all you do is go through all the stories here and down arrow every comment.
Your Government at work, dull but determined.
Better take what he can get, what he doesn't want Russia, looks like he doesn't like vodka and Russian women.
How long before Iran rolls out the Red Carpet?
Looks like another serial junker on this thread ...
Haha, I have a -1 fan who is downing all my comments no matter what I say and without response or explanation. Don't forget to down this one too, it's the red triangle button.
Listen up, maggot. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique junked snowflake. You're the same decaying organic poster as everyone else who was junked on this thread!
Never claimed I was special, beautiful, unique, etcetera but I did notice not everyone was junked on this thread. Thank you for viewing me as an included contributor in this community.
Hasn't Snowie applied to the Norks?
Win - win if you ask me...
(on second thoughts...)
If Snowden goes back to the US he may end up like a British GCHQ colleague Gareth Williams, found dead August 2010. His body was found locked in a large luggage holdall in the bath of his MI6 secure apartment. The initial police investigation was a shambles with DNA evidence being contaminated etc etc and after almost three years, the Met Police are officially still "investigating" this criminal act of murder. ho-ho.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Gareth_Williams
This Wiki page does not make mention that Gareth actually worked for GCHQ and went on job assignment to MI6 HQ in London because he had become very angry at discovering that he was actually involved in the preparation of a fake terror plot being set-up by GCHQ on behalf of ... ... ...
CIA Director William Colby homicide & cover up
Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Boorda homicide & cover up
#879 by William Cooper, homicided with cover up 5th November 2001
Repost by the Bank Guy in Brussels
Key figure for impeaching Eric Holder, and indeed for 'legal' restoration of America's Constitutional government, is John Conyers, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee - the main person to initiate impeachment of Presidents or Federal Judges too.
But Conyers has already been threatened with death, being murdered just like Judiciary Committee Congressman Sonny Bono was murdered, and Conyers had his own wife criminally charged and imprisoned, as a warning to him to back down.
Detroit's Congressman Conyers had been fooled by Obama. He has long had huge files on America's bribed federal judges, and was planning to act on those files as his fellow black Obama took office, to help some of the thousands of innocent black people inside the US prison gulag of 2.3 million prisoners.
But the US oligarch families moved first, they indicted Conyers' wife, jailed her, and threatened to kill Conyers himself, and Conyers agreed to shut up to save his own life, and leave his fellow black Americans to rot in prison even when innocent. Conyers can do nothing for them except die as a martyr, with the media telling lies about him after he is buried.
Most Americans seem not to know, but Congress really is 'supreme' in the US Constitution, above the Supreme Court. They have the power to remove Presidents for 'Misdemeanors' and remove Supreme Court and all Federal Judges merely for lack of 'good behaviour'. The pivotal person in the entire US Constitution, is really the Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.
But the US Congress is intimidated and under mass threat of death. Quite a number of Congressman have been killed, including on the Judiciary Committee itself ... which was very useful in threatening John Conyers.
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Ten notable Congressmen and other US national political figures, all found murdered or suspiciously dead - Senators, Congressmen, Federal Judge, Governor, CIA Director - after questioning corruption or disturbing US oligarch leadership ... since the 1963 JFK assassination
(1-2)
Two Congressmen, Thomas Hale Boggs, Sr, House Majority Leader, along with Alaska Congressman Nick Begich, killed in the same plane crash, 16 October 1972; Boggs was involved in JFK assassination investigation
(3)
Congressman Larry McDonald of Georgia was killed on 1 September 1983, booked onto the Korean airliner that was shot down over the ocean; McDonald had filed bills asking the US Congress to investigate the globalist bodies, the Trilateral Commission and the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations)
(4)
Former US Senator from Texas John Tower, killed in plane crash 5 April 1991, after criticising Reagan-Bush scandals
(5)
William Colby, former director of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, found dead 27 April 1996, laughable story he drowned after paddling his canoe by his Maryland weekend house; Colby had made revelations critical of US policies
(6)
Sonny Bono, singer from Sonny & Cher, Congressman on the key House Judiciary Committee, killed 6 January 1998, after gaining position to investigate corruption at America's highest levels, Bono handled files on judicial corruption and the CIA drug trade ... story that excellent skier Sonny went head-on into a tree ... even ex-FBI people say it was murder
(7)
US Missouri Governor Melvin Eugene 'Mel' Carnahan, killed in plane crash 16 October 2000, opponent of vicious US Attorney General John Ashcroft, Carnahan won an election even after being dead
(8)
US Senator Paul Wellstone from Minnesota, killed in plane crash 25 October 2002, after leading opposition to the US Iraq War
(9)
Former US Congressman Wayne Owens from Utah, found dead in Tel Aviv, Israel, 18 December 2002, while investigating the triangle of US-Israeli-Palestinian Authority corruption
(10)
US Federal Judge John Roll shot dead in Tucson, Arizona, 8 January 2011, shortly after ruling against Obama and the US gov't ... drugged up 'lone gunman' promptly supplied, 'confessing' and otherwise barely seen
Snowden's best bet in EZ is france. Lets hope that Hollande has the guts to address this issue if it comes to a head.
For the time being he is dodging it saying it " must be addressed collectively by the EU."
We know what that means, given both UK and Germany are part of the global NSA team, something that Germany will have a hard time admitting whereas in the case of UK, its US poodle policy in the past has shown that financialista shenanigans and NSA shenanigans are two sides of the same NWO coin of Reagan-Thatcher collusion model spawned way back then.
I guess it boils down to Merkiavelli but she is dumbed down until September unless the SPD opposition make this a hot potato in coming election.
Egypt and Snowden are two hot potatoes for Pax AMericana.
Pax Americana pan is full of hot potatoes.
This would remind him of University applications all over again if he had gone to school
Rejection letters coming in fast from the Ivy League
But he's still holding out hope on his sure thing from the party school on the list
Iceland
TPTB are making an example out of this guy. Might have been the plan all along, he hasn't proved he's not a plant. The media rats have him contained. He has to dump his files direct or its for nothing.
and how will most of the bloated and stupid americans react when he disappears aka turns up suicided?
...they won't even lift their heads from the HFCS GMO troughs.
Maybe Eddie can get married to some nationality that's passing through on a layover, whose native country won't hold his mischief against him.
Of course his applications are being denied. Not many counties, if any, accept applications by mail. If they did, they would be totally flooded by letters from the Third World. Snowden's best chance is that some EU countries together come into decision to let him stay, and that would be purely a political decision. This possible course of action excludes America's puppy dog Britain, which would Gitmo Snowden before you can pronounce "Echelon".
It's perfectly normal for asylum applications to be rejected out-of-hand when the applicant isn't physically in the nation he is applying to. The US works on the same rule; if Snowden were from some other country looking to come here, his application would also be rejected for the same reason. 100% routine and normal for asylum claims.
Didn't Louisiana petition the White House to secede after the election? If that happens, I'm sure he could seek asylum there, otherwise, it looks like a very cold and harsh, wintry life in Iceland. Oh well, hope he likes hot red heads!
Snowden should never have left the US. He should have blown his whistle, given the Guardian everything he had to give them, let them run their first article, and then...face the music. The man took an oath and broke the law to do what he did, but it was a principled stand that he should be proud of as he stands in court. Head held high. His supporters here at ZH and around America, I believe, would have been descended upon the courthouse in a show of solidarity. A far cry from being stranded in the transit zone of a shit airport in a strange and distant country. A sterling example of what a man does when he sees injustice being perpetrated against his fellow countrymen.
Instead, he slinks away to Hong Kong. Blows the whistle. Spends God only knows how long, maybe the rest of his life, on the run. Hopping from lilypad to lilypad, trying to stay one leap ahead of the eagle as it hunts him mercilessly.
Oh well. Having chosen, unwisely, his current path, I hope some country does grant him asylum. I really do. And I hope it isn't some shithole like Venezuela or Bolivia. Iceland would be nice. France, too. Hell, the French love sticking it in Uncle Sam's eye. But IMHO, the best thing he can do is come home and fight for his country. He won't be Gitmo'd. He won't be tortured. He won't have an unfortunate "accident," and if even if he did, he would be a martyr in broad daylight.
But what do I know? Let the junkings begin. That red arrow won't press itself, bitchez!
the man didn't "take an oath" and then "break the law". The NSA broke the law & he's doing his civic duty to help the laws be enforced.
You want a martyr for justice, YOU go do it.
I don't want Snowden martyred at all. I want him to live. But I like to think that, if I ever find myself in the position that Snowden was in, I would have done exactly what I suggested he do to begin with: Blow the whistle to the Guardian (or whichever paper/outlet I thought best for the purpose), then once they've run their first article on the subject...have an on-camera interview with the same where I confess to being the leaker. Pretty much what he did, yes? Except I wouldn't have left the States. I'm an American citizen. I have no intention of ever living as an exile.
But like I said, I like to think that that would have been the path I'd have chosen. Who the hell knows what I would have done if I had to stand in his shoes? You're out of your gourd if you think I want this man to lose his life as "martyr for justice." I just think the sacrifices he has made so far would have been far more effective had he remained in the US.
He would have been found hanging in his holding cell, from an improvised rope of bedsheets, on the second night. Handwriting experts would verify his guilt-wracked admission of a suicide note, which would also allow .gov to clamp down on or outright deny any/all allegations brought forth.
The flight was necessary to give buffer time to journalistic outlets to process, vet and publish the docs. Also allows for maximum impact to present evidence refuting each new round of denying lies. It was a given that his access to and download of information would be rather quickly noted and traced to him -- if no sooner, then certainly as soon as information came out. Also, many complain as to the integrity/trustworthiness of the Guardian -- how the hell could he have known for sure in advance that GG would indeed publish, instead of caving to threats or succumbing to bribes (or Boston brakes, for that matter)?
The most likely outcome is STILL his disappearance down a deep, dark hole (perhaps even alive, initially), and I am pretty sure he knows that. The longer he stays out of US hands, the longer that is delayed, and the more information may be circulated. Possibly even constructive action taken.
You are basing this statement on WHAT, exactly?
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I was thinking "On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero. Stay ahead of the curve, Edward."
genius idea.
i'd be up to donate a silver ounce to make it happen.
The complete lack of any evidence suggesting otherwise.
What are YOU basing THAT statement on? Do you have some airtight evidence of the US government engaging in domestic political assassinations, or are you basing it on general distrust of our government? Something in between? You may shake your head in disbelief at my naivete, but I prefer to base my outlook on evidence and not tin-foil hat paranoia.
For instance, I don't believe for a minute that JFK was assassinated by a lone gunman with a rifle poking out of the Texas Schoolbook Depository. But I don't necessarily prescribe to any particular conspiracy theory involving government, the military-industrial complex, communists, or Jews either.
In any case, we can probably agree that Snowden had to be sure that the Guardian would indeed run with the story before he ever came out as the whistleblower. Maybe an intial stage of flight was also warranted, to Hong Kong or wherever, to be sure that the story ran and that he could have the videotaped interview where he comes out as the leaker. But having gone that far? Come home and stand on the principles that made you leak your story in the first place...not run around from country to country, your continued existence in the hands of what some other government may or may not do.
I just want to say to unbalanced integer - He took the same oath a lot of us did to defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic, which he eventually realized conflicted with his employment.
The one supercedes the other and has no expiry date.
so, lesson learned: find asylum first THEN make it seem like you might be in a few other places THEN open yer big trap. At least he's still not shot or poisoned or imprisoned.
I hope he remembers to avoid hot tubs and completely natural heart attacks.
Let's see - Hot tubs. I'll take Thomas Merton for 100.