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Watch The Flightpath Of Bolivia Air Force One As It Gets Trapped Over Austria

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As already reported, the Dassault Falcon 900EX that is the Bolivian Air Force 1 was prohibited from flying over Italy, Portugal, Spain and France, due to suspicions it was harboring the "democratic world's enemy #1" Edward Snowden, trapping FAB1 above Austria, and forcing to land in Vienna. Watch the animation of the flight path below how effective the "democratic world" is in making a mockery of due process, diplomatic immunity and all those other highly valued qualities that make living in the "democratic world" such a joy. As for Europe: what can we say - the continent that over the weekend was furious at the NSA for spying on it, expressed its anger by blocking Snowden's airpace.

Source: Flightradar

 

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Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:27 | 3716177 One And Only
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Puhlease.

The U.S government is as pure as a wind driven snow. Don't be an unpatriotic terrorist.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:25 | 3716170 q99x2
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Diplomacy doesn't work without follow through.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:57 | 3716284 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Of course he wasn't. This was done on purpose to expose what a bunch of hypocrites the EU leadership is and see just how full retard the US would go to interdict Snowden. Hopefully this ignites a ground storm by the people of these countries against the leadership there. We've yet to find out if the Austrians committed an act of war for the US by boarding MORALeS plane to search it for Snowden which is illegal under international law due to diplomatic reasons.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 00:37 | 3716747 tip e. canoe
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Joseph Heller giggled

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:16 | 3717391 swiss chick
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You must be kidding, nobody seems to see what is going on nor do they care as long as they have what they need...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:26 | 3716175 fonzannoon
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If this kid has anything else he wants the world to know he should get it out pretty soon.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 03:13 | 3716879 lakecity55
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Something should come out soon, or snowman is going to start looking suspiciously like an op.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:32 | 3716198 lustylobster
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This song seems less ironic every day now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFVdvXGIT34.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

 

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 02:12 | 3716831 Talcott
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More accurate maybe...?

Great Song.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:34 | 3716201 One And Only
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First person who gets Snowden alive gets EBT, an Obama phone, and Section 8 for a YEAR.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:58 | 3716288 booboo
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Seal Team 6 will get the call, double tap him and Otard will have him buried at sea so folks can't visit his grave, of course the Seal team members will have to be "sanctioned" but whats a few dead men in order to preserve and protect spreading democrazy

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 12:21 | 3718288 Kobe Beef
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...Or SEAL Team 6 will have one of their helicopters shot down in a raid on a mysterious Pakistani military compound resulting in the deaths of all onboard, the Obama media team will spin it into a succesful, "We got Osama" PR campaign, and then the remaining SEALs will be shot down over Afghanstan a week later to cover it up.  

But hey-- "what difference does it make?"

As long as there's heroin to run, nukes to trade, pipelines to build, cash to launder, gov't contracts to land, regimes to change, eyeballs to spin, and an NWO to implement, the Terror War will continue. 

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:34 | 3716204 Nimby
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Why not just fly over their airspace anyhow?  What are they going to do?  Blow the Bolivian Air Force One out of the sky?  Doubt it.  I'm guessing the lodge a complaint at the next UN meeting.

Fuck Europe. 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:06 | 3716331 knukles
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I particularly agree with the part of your comment, fuck Europe.
Cannot they do anything unfucked?
They should be wining and dining the guy.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:34 | 3716207 Westcoastliberal
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 What a bunch of pussies!  The people of these countries should be ashamed for their leaders to bow so quickly and completely to the great & power U.S.A.  After all, Snowden's crime is he told the truth, spilled the beans. And he did it for "the people".  Shows you how far we're down the "rabbit hole", eh?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:02 | 3716212 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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If the desired effect is achieved this should play out during the next election cycle in these countries if the popular outrage over the government's actions here. Either the Spanish and especially Italians vote in populists en masse like Beppe Grillo over this and force the break up of the Euro or the people are finished in these countries. If they do that they better be ready to rumble. I hope the people of Spain and Italy (fuck the french) are paying close attention to Egypt see just how full retard the US will go to keep their puppets in place. A puppet who coordinated a terrorist attack on the puppet master aka Benghazi. Things are really fucked up over here I don't what is worse that Benghazi was allowed to happen since you know the intelligence agencies had to have had wind of it or the fact there are no people left with spines or any sense of decency in the government or military who sit by and let this shit happen that can but don't do anything afterwards. Fuck faces we all got to die at some point you can't take that pay check with you. That is an absolute inevitable truth. Time to start manning up or stop making any pretenses that what you do is moral or right.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:05 | 3716974 Acet
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It's unlikelly to be the main thing at stake in elections but hopefully it's the kind of thing the (less corrupt) second-line parties can use to show that the main parties are in the pocket of foreign interests.

In places which are undergoing austerity measures under pressure from an international Troika (such as Portugal), people don't want leaders who willingly and quickly bend over to foreign interests.

The idiots that did this might just have catalysed a wave of nationalism in Europe. We shall see ...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:38 | 3716217 americanspirit
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I sure hope that there are a couple of million other 'kids' like this brave young man. And I hope that more than a few of them are armed and close to the president and to members of congress. To protect them, of course.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:03 | 3716315 Steel Magnolia
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Edward Snowden gives me hope for Our Country. If this 29 yr old is willing to take a stand, then I am not sure what the rest of us are waiting for.

One thing is certain, if we are going to keep America, we are going to have to fight for her. Freedom is not free & we have taken it for granted too long.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:34 | 3717257 123dobryden
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Snowden gave hope to you, Osama gave hope to others.......both hated the empire, both i think speeded up the decline, first by awakaning the facebook generation and general public all over the world, the second by provoking irational responses, one after another, leading to a police state.....the ball is now with the general american public, learn lessons from egypt, turkey or brasil...........yeah kill me 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:42 | 3716224 nasa
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The "Champagne Room" is never going to be the same now that Bolivia's coke is heading to China instead of the USSA.  Shame!

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:43 | 3716230 Uber Vandal
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If I were in this situation, I would plant false rumors to gauge what my opponents reaction may be.

I wonder how long before Russian submarines are forced to surface for he may be on one of them, also?

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:55 | 3716277 el Gallinazo
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Nah!  Bolivia lost a war with Chile about 150 years ago, and got her little piece of Pacific beach snatched, so those Russian subs better have tires.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:44 | 3716231 Manipuflation
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Anyone for a game of Risk?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:46 | 3716243 highwaytoserfdom
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 this is surreal.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:52 | 3716245 Divine Wind
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Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:54 | 3716270 starman
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I really hope that soon some fucking nutso aliens gonna land on Earth and waste us to shit!!! We fucking deserve it! 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:10 | 3716334 knukles
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There is no way they'll bother.
Just listening to all the electronic emissions, they'll conclude it's not worth keeping Earth about, might be dangerous to others as in 5150 the whole planet, and just destroy the fucking place to keep the rest of the universe safe and sane.

I shit you not, I've had it from good sources that's what they're thinking.

 

need my tin foil hat, they're listening...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:59 | 3716541 alien-IQ
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We've been considering it.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 01:52 | 3716817 Yes We Can. But...
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The aliens know damn well that we'll destroy ourselves within a century or so, so they aren't coming for us, unless they stop in to score some intergalactic tail

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:55 | 3716273 Monedas
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Putin is trading Snowjob .... for a load of good Bolivian coke .... Berlusconi wants his Mafia cut .... for flyover privileges ?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:56 | 3716280 ebworthen
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Watching a special on the Statue of Liberty on PBS that was made in the early 80's.

Wow, how things have changed, even since then.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:58 | 3716287 Seize Mars
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Yes, quite a change.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 23:24 | 3716611 Real Estate Geek
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We ought to just sell that thing for the scrap value of its Cu.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:09 | 3716341 TheInfoman
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The real question is: What flight path is safe?  In fact, is being over internationl waters safe?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:09 | 3716342 WTFUD
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lets give ussa potugal france and spain benefit of doubt. maybe plane was carrying chemicals ( not jet fuel ) or wmd!

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:14 | 3716345 Zer0head
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Dear Mr. Snowden

this is a wet towel, get used to it

https://bitly.com/1245ahu

 

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:11 | 3716355 msjimmied
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Let's just call it like it is. they are all Obama's bitches, every single country in Europe. None of them have higher ideals, or a moral compass. They would take pedophiles, and monied run aways, stuff that falls under the radar of the true war lords of the world, but someone who tells it like it is, even the air space is locked down. What's all the talk about soverignty? You guys are just BITCHEZ! Put the thumb screws on your people, the American financial system that robbed you blind has to live on...YES SIR! Wankers.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:11 | 3716356 WTFUD
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BHO " Mission UNaccomplished "

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:11 | 3716359 Bunga Bunga
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How stupid the french are? FAB1 started from Vnukovo and Snowden is trapped in Sheremetyevo.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:13 | 3716369 Aquarius
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Thinking ahead.

All those Lawyers who are working so hard to create the Empire - NSA, Manning, Wikileaks, etc., etc.

 

Don't they realize that once Empire is established as Totalitarianism, all Lawyers be-come redundant.

 

IOW in an Empire there is no need for Lawyers  - just a all-conquering Military and ruling royalty (i.e. self-proclaimed)

This is called eating your own, or cannibalism.

Ho hum

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:15 | 3716375 Manipuflation
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Russia in the news plenty today.  It required another interview.  The pre-interview on the rocket had me rolling on the floor.  I would be remiss if I did not add that it was stated that "the rocket was likely from 1965 and they just repainted it for looks" and that they "likely only put two liters of fuel in it".

 

http://www.boatingaccidentnews.com/russian-model-rocketry-interview/

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 23:47 | 3716678 Manipuflation
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You have to appreciate the strategic downvote here.  Anyone that really has any connections to Russia will laugh their ass off at this theft operation regarding the rocket.  The sad part of it is, is that the U.S. and the West are, much, much worse and are more sophisticated at hiding the theft. 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:28 | 3716421 Motorboat
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Theater for the Goyim.  Argue amongst yourselves and point fingers all you want, but never, ever mention a Jew or you'll have hell to pay. That is the litmus test.

They own all your media, all your politicians, every bank and the printing presses too, not to mention controlling each and every alphabet agency they conjure up.

Call me names if you like, but facts are facts. Same goes for anything else that gets 24/7 coverage on the teevee, aka idiot box.

Or, you can choose to believe that Snowden is actually going to save your stupid ass. Maybe Wolf Blitzer can show us what to think?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:43 | 3716472 Mr. Hudson
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: "you can choose to believe that Snowden is actually going to save your stupid ass"

I'll take it a step further. People on this forum believe gold will save their ass. They want to preserve their wealth. That's understandable. And, they think their guns will save their ass. They want to defend their family and their property. They want to take back their country. It's all wishful thinking. Ain't gonna happen. The Jews have had a hundred years to plan the demise of America since the creation of the Federal Reserve. The Goyim's bloodbath against each other in this country will make the Muslim's mutual destruction of their fellow Muslim look like child's play. "Never again!" means alot more than the Goyim even realize. Winner takes all! Next!

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 23:18 | 3716594 PKF
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Maybe EJS reveals this?  I've never understood what they were 'chosen for.'  Do you?  Chosen for what?  I never get an answer. 

I am getting rather bored with the movies they back of late though.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:35 | 3716457 WTFUD
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What was that Ray Charles song? RunAround, No. FuckAround, No; Oh yeah Everybody do the MessAround. nice

Wonder what old Ronnie Reagan woulda said? Somat like " . . . and if any of you traffic controllers allow Ed Snow to land or not turn up for work on monday, your sacked ".

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:50 | 3716505 RaceToTheBottom
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Does this mean that the post Nobel Prize glow is over?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:56 | 3716525 flacorps
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So if some moment, any moment, you hear the sound of jet engines flying atop the overcast - engines that sound searching and lost - engines that sound desperate - shoot up a flare or do something. That would be Global 33 trying to get home - from The Twilight Zone.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:56 | 3716528 Duc888
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...so much shitbaggery, it boggles the mind.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:59 | 3716539 Frank N. Beans
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If the Snowman was on this plane he should parachute out the back and go into hiding.

Like DB Cooper.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 23:00 | 3716546 Steel Magnolia
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They better not piss Barry off & make him scramble jets to get that 29 yr. old hacker..

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 23:09 | 3716563 brokenspoke
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If USA revoked Snowden's passport then there is no proof he is a citizen that can be extradited?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 23:16 | 3716587 All Out Of Bubblegum
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Snowden is a Bankster operation. The same dipshits that fell for Obama, Bush, 9/11 and a host of other bait-and-switches over the years are also falling for Snowden.

Quit being suckers.

Bruce Fein is Snowden's dad's "lawyer". Some of his clients via The Lichfield Group:

Saudi Arabia
Pakistan
Turkey
Sudan

A Few Clients from the Banking & Fed Megas Pool

Bank of America
Morgan Stanley
Standard Charter Bank

Oil Industry

Exxon Mobile
BP
Chevron Texaco

Military Industrial Complex

Boeing
General Electric

International-Imperialistic- Parasitic Organizations

World Bank
IMF
United Nations

 

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 23:40 | 3716660 Manipuflation
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Agreed.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 23:26 | 3716619 icanhasbailout
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The Continuing Adventures of Where In The World Is Edwarnnuel Snowstein

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 23:26 | 3716620 Downtoolong
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Meanwhile, the terrorists all this surveilance tech is protecting us against are laughing their asses off.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 23:32 | 3716633 cherry picker
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The Bolivian president is brown, and George Carlin said the US likes to bomb brown people.  Do you think they would have stopped Putin?

The lack of respect for sovereign nations, particularly for those in Latin America and others by Obama's crew, is going to come back to haunt them.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:39 | 3716951 fijisailor
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Get over the color thing.  It's a distraction.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 23:49 | 3716681 Tulpa
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Something doesn't add up with this Snowden business.  He claims to have masqueraded his way into a security clearance renewal and a job involving the NSA programs, all the while intending to break his word about keeping stuff secret.  That takes some serious cunning and planning.

And yet, he apparently had no plan for the aftermath?  This isn't the first time the BO administration has tightened the screws on someone who embarrassed them.  (Manning/Assange)  He had to know this stuff was going to happen.  Smells funny to me.  My guess is he had a non-patriotic deal in place with the PRC and they backed out while he was in Hong Kong, so now he's hammering the "exiled patriot" angle.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:09 | 3716976 smacker
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I believe that Snowden's on record saying that he joined Booz Allen for the purpose of collecting evidence of NSA mass spying. That is what he did.

And I think he did have an Exit Plan. Whether it was to China that you mention or simply HK, I dunno. But it's been clear to me for some time that his plan was not thorough enough and he probably failed to ask a lot of 'what-if' questions of himself and others, to formulate a Plan B. It looks like he's now become too hot to handle, especially for the sickening, socialist political slimeballs in EU countries.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:51 | 3717306 123dobryden
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black swan bitchez!

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 23:52 | 3716688 Minister of Bre...
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I'm not sure Tyler is correct concerning Spain's role in this. I haven't seen anything indicating they closed their airspace. To the contrary, after Portugal balked I believe Spain actually offered a refueling opportunity in the Canary Islands. At least, according to the NYT, for whatever that's worth.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/03/world/europe/snowden.html?hp

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:59 | 3716971 smacker
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According to RT.com this morning (UK time), Spanish ATC suddenly refused permission for FAB1 to land in the Canaries to refuel (the original flightplan). This happened after FAB1's flightplan had been previously issued and agreed by the various European ATC centres it was to fly over. Clearly, after agreeing the flightplan, they received a call from Obama's henchmen.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 23:55 | 3716692 cherry picker
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Maybe the USA and the rest are scared as they have grounds to believe that Snowden may have the codes and passswords to set off the Nukes?

That may explain a lot, wouldn't it?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 23:58 | 3716698 geotrader
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It's a matter of 'national security' that Snowden be brought in.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 00:00 | 3716701 Steel Magnolia
Wed, 07/03/2013 - 00:45 | 3716757 Bobportlandor
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They want him so bad because he has BHO Kenya's birth certificate and he knows without it he can't get a private sector job after he's impeached.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 00:54 | 3716767 Arkadaba
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Latest from the Guardian:

Bolivian Vice President Alvaro Garcia has delivered a midnight press conference on the incident, AP reports.

He described Morales as being "kidnapped by imperialism" in Europe and said that the Spanish authorities were not allowing Morales' plane to enter their airspace.

Love "kidnapped by imperialism". I see that some here arguing Snowden is some type of ops operation. I am keeping an open mind but if he is some plant or shill, I do think its gone off script. 

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 01:06 | 3716777 All Out Of Bubblegum
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> I am keeping an open mind but if he is some plant or shill, I do think its gone off script.

It's not about a script. It's about inducing chaos. That's what Banskter ops are designed to do.

"The time to buy is when the streets are running with blood" is the Rothschild family motto. How else can you get blood in the streets unless you induce chaos into the mix?

For proof: the history of the 20th century.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 01:19 | 3716785 Cathartes Aura
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agree, but I also believe it's about many, many scripts. . . all actors reading their lines on a need to know basis, all believing in their parts, but the parts are not the whole.

this is how the true believers get duped / used - they just know that their particular script is the ultimate one, when in fact they are merely playing their infinite parts.

it has always been this.   chose what to believe, carefully.

or realise none of it is the ultimate truth, never was.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 01:28 | 3716798 All Out Of Bubblegum
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> chose what to believe, carefully.

Amen. I believe I want to see some pictures of this Ed Snowden guy in the Hong Kong airport, the Moscow airport or on one of the many planes he's been on with other passengers.

And whatever happened to his pole dancing girlfriend? She just kinda...disappeared.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 01:47 | 3716812 Cathartes Aura
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her part has been played, next Act writes her out of the plot.

consider the narrative, young man posing as a tech-geek, relative high-waged for lack of "degree credentials" which are touted as necessary for monied jobs, pole-dancing girlfriend. . . oh my, some might dream this meme, wishful thinking, hmm?

as long as people look for singular heroes, there will be heroes found.   as long as people seek an heroic leader, they will continue to fall in line behind. . . someone.

it's all too easy, this story.  but many love the tale, so we shall see how long before dis-illusion'd sets in.

meanwhile, it's all just reading along with the plot lines, yes?  fed to the people, line by line, carefully.

people trained by episodes, next season's new presentations, small portion viewing.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 02:03 | 3716826 All Out Of Bubblegum
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> people trained by episodes

"The medium by its very nature consolidates power and influence into the hands of a rich few. There is no democratic process by which voters and consumers may directly affect its content, or control its impact.

The problems and the dangers of television are inherent in the technology itself. That means it cannot be reformed in its nature as a medium. And because the medium of television cannot be reformed, it needs to be eliminated . What follows are four fundamental arguments offered in support of eliminating television..."

Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:40 | 3716990 Jendrzejczyk
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Have you been introduced to Freddie?

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 02:57 | 3716872 lakecity55
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Worldwide Fascism isn't pretty, is it?

And who is the Leader?

USA

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 01:14 | 3716781 Kiwi Pete
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lol He's sure giving the NSA et al the run around.

This is an unmitegated disaster for the NSA. They have no credibility at all at this point and should be quietly shut down. They're about as anonomous as James Bond and as useful as tits on a bull. All their systems are completely compromised. Whether or not Snowy has squawked they have to assume he has and the Russians and the Chinese know everything he does. You just can't have one of your system admins holed up in a Russian airport and continue operating as though nothing has happened. 

Checkmate arseholes!

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 01:15 | 3716782 All Out Of Bubblegum
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The NSA, Obama and the US Congress come out looking like chumps.

Untouched in the brouhaha: Israel and the CIA.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 03:52 | 3716916 ebear
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All their base are belong to Snowden!

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:44 | 3716957 NuYawkFrankie
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Re lol He's sure giving the NSA et al the run around

 

Yes.  As they say in horse-racing, he's certainly "giving them a run for their money"

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 01:20 | 3716784 PT
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They seek him here, they seek him there...

I wonder what would happen if we suddenly flooded the airports with, say, 10 million people, all with "Edward Snowden" passports ...

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 02:19 | 3716837 Judge Crater
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Europe, bow down to Obama!  In Nazi Germany during the 1930s, when Hitler spoke on radio, there were speakers in public places to broadcast his garbage.  Anyone appearing not to listen to the Fuhrer was looking for trouble.  With this incident of barring air space to a diplomatic jet, European leaders have shown a criminal disregard for international law. Snowden has not yet been convicted of any crime.  Western world leaders seem to be acting in concert in a way no different than the Mafia organized crime familes in America.  Anyone who violates the code of silence, omerta, is subject to severe repriisal.   

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 03:34 | 3716898 Ghordius
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interesting how Tyler puts it with his "As for Europe: what can we say - the continent that over the weekend was furious at the NSA for spying on it, expressed its anger by blocking Snowden's airpace"

this whole article and the comments on it is so full of misrepresentations that I really don't even know where to start...

I'll just note one thing: I'm not used to our American cousins being suddently "knowleageble" about International Law - and in fact all the comments just solidify my prejudice that they aren't - except when it comes to a point they want to make, often wrongly - and then often go back to moaning about International Law being something "globalist" or whatever their preferite websites spout. Or do you generally really support international law?

fact is - as Dick Cheney's ghost points out - that this continent is full of US Air Bases (btw, also in Germany). What did you expect?

fact is that a majority of Americans and Brits think that Snowden is a dangerous man that ought to be inprisoned for treason. So again, who wants Snowden in prison? Continentals? Russia? Austria? Italy? Germany?

fact is that barring air space for a diplomatic jet is not "unprecedented" as some want to make believe

fact is that if that plane would have been over Italy and US jets would have forced it to land to snap Snowden up - what then? Have you forgotten the CIA interrogation flights full of "unlawful combatants"? We haven't

fact is that if Snowden is/was on that jet he would be in Austria, now, and probably get his asylum - what then?

but go on trying to reconciliate the usual "continent" narrative with this story, it's really interesting to watch

If you don't like the empire - you are at it's core, not us. We are the faithful allies, remember? I somehow doubt that if we would show a finger to Washington that most of the commenters here would cheer

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:31 | 3716941 fijisailor
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I agree with you until your last sentence.  There you are completely wrong.  The majority of ZHers do not support the empire that you speak of.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:42 | 3716953 Ghordius
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you are right, it's debatable, I should amend to "many", then it's difficult to say what "the majority of ZHers" support or don't support. I just note a lot of "jingoism" at certain points - and then a "down with America" at others

though whatever continentals do (that would be europe without the British Isles) is usually wrong, for Tyler

I do support the decision to bar that flight - then if Snowden would have been on that plane, I suspect US jets would have scrambled, and then we would have had a diplomatic incident we really don't need

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:50 | 3716961 fijisailor
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My wife is Bolivian and from a well connected family.  She's been through hyperinflation and was a political refugee as a small girl during the fascist years.  She supported Morales the first time around but today is totally against him.  He's just another fascist with a socialist label.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:56 | 3717328 123dobryden
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yeah, your wife said ....

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:34 | 3716947 lakecity55
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To Europe:

Most Americans are under the effects of brainwashing. If they were not, Chalky would be thrown out.

The awake Americans need help to liberate our country from neofascism.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:49 | 3717302 Escapedgoat
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The trouble is that, in the EUSSA, are far too many US military bases. To protect who? from what? is not said.

Fact is that those establishments are there to protect, the International Corporations and their monopolies, MIC and others with HQ back in the US. Not necessarily for the benefit of the US citizens, ( especially when removing the manufacture to China. The EUSSA is a fact, when now they don't bother to camouflage the absence of Democracy, which in fact is a  KLEPTOCRACY (Italy,Greece,Cyprus, to mention but a few). In Italy Beppe Grillo's movement  came first.  Greece's First Party (New Democracy, my arse) had 20% more MP's even though they were a point in front of the SYRIZA party. And Cyprus population were frightened into the Anastasiades Party another Crook, by pointing at Turkey. My point is The European Sheeple were herded into their new Gulags ready to be MILKED TO DEATH..

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:02 | 3717343 123dobryden
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the theory is, there must be a bully, to keep other subulies from fighting each other, that gives subulies's sheep peace to work their asses for subulies. E.S. reveald the truth to the shees generaly, what are the sheeps going to do about it? the only thing they know.....meeeee

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:06 | 3716921 NuYawkFrankie
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EuroPussies
Meow....

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:24 | 3716933 Ghordius
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sure. because...? or, to put it differently, what would you want us to do?

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:52 | 3716960 NuYawkFrankie
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Re what would you want us to do?

 

Maybe start with at least trying to grow a pair?

Then again, they wouldn't be too much use with a lame dick.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:07 | 3716975 Ghordius
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"trying to grow a pair" is not policy - are you practically asking us to "do something" without specifying what you want, exactly? a bit difficult to oblige

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:17 | 3716982 NuYawkFrankie
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Sine qua non.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:41 | 3716994 Ghordius
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would you be happier if we would build up a huge EU army and fleet? that would "create jobs", you know? it's called Keynesian "butters and guns". we could build a couple of millions of land- and and air-drones, and endlessly debate if the French land drones are better than the German ones, on a cost-"benefit" basis. would this be a "grow a pair" you would respect? lol

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:20 | 3716931 Angus McHugepenis
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How did a Bolivian government plane even make it onto a radar screen anywhere? Fucking SA politicians should consult the drug smugglers if they want to avoid Uncle Sam and his pedophile wandering hands.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:55 | 3716965 fijisailor
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It's a well known fact in Bolivia that Evo Morales was a coca dealer before he was president.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:26 | 3716936 Jack Burton
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The Europeans showed themselves to be fuck'n cowards. Thats all I can say of this act of supreme cowardice.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:27 | 3716946 Ghordius
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sure. you probably don't remember previous cases, like the one which led to a confrontation between Italy and the USA at Sigonella, 1985. Oliver North had intelligence from Israel that led four Tomcats to force an Egyptian jet with terrorists involved in the Achille Lauro to land there. Boyz on the ground nearly to the point of shooting each others for the right to prosecute them. Reagan was livid

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:51 | 3716962 falak pema
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shame, shame, shame... Hollande is showing his true colours, and ZH is right in stigmatising EU pusillanimity. 

I feel humiliated by the french governement and François Mollet.

This was an acid test to show if sovereign EZ states have any sovereignty left on an issue which is blantant violation of international law, just to please Uncle Sam of Obamaland; now prolongation of Bushistan.

So much for EU conditionality for negotiating fairly in the upcoming "big transatlantic deal". 

EU Pants down and Google wins hands down, for the NSA band which plays on its sad, sad song.  

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:03 | 3716973 Ghordius
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falak, you are mixing up several issues.

1) the big transatlantic deal: who wants it? Obama and Cameron 2) "fair negotiations" would mean stop spying - who is spying on EU facilities?

meanwhile have a look at my comments - barring that flight makes sense, to me, and has nothing to do with "pusillanimity"

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:56 | 3716987 falak pema
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to pursue your line of thought : 

1° If the USA is the spy master, with the UK as part of system and uses commercial vehicles (Google, Facebook, Yahoo, Verizon etc.)  to spy on every citizen in the world, then based on our value systems it is the debasement of democracy beyond any conceivable limit invented by a nation state.

This is pure totalitarian play on world scale. Our US led first world private enterprises and our state matrix now TOTALLY correspond to the definition of FASCISM that Mussolini invented : private behemoths and government on same page to serve national socialism; aka CP illegal and unconstitutional action that not only defies national laws, centuries old traditions of human rights but also corporate antitrust competition laws : (those within the state Matrix and the smaller competitors not part of NSA club).

2° If the EU nation state leaders respect these values they should annul any disposition that allows these commercial behemoths to control the global interNET space in EU. Notice the Vienna student group demanded of the EU precisely that on this front. 

3° THis forced landing and refusal of air space violates international law. This reminds me of what France did to the Ben Bella plane in 1956 when it INAUGURATED international space hijacking by that illegal and politically disastrous move. They compounded that colonial mindset in aiding and abetting the murder of Ben Barka ten years later on french soil. Ben Barka today is Edward Snowden.

How far does a nation state, (all EU ones included), that pretends to defend private information in its OWN national legislation, pulls its pants down on the international front to serve american "real politik"? 

4° Why should barring the flight make sense to anyone that respects international laws? What has Morales done to merit such nation state treatment?

Next time Hollande flies to Japan, those other third world nations should treat him likewise! 

Your line of thinking can be summarised as follows : We are under the gun of Pax Americana, so we are helpless continent. Damn, the EU has the biggest GDP combined in the world. If the nation states of EU were to defend the BASIS of this 50 year experiment it was initiated to LEARN from PAST disasters and to FORGE a new mindset where the continent spoke on its fundamental values, a three thousand year tradition, WITH ONE VOICE.

THAT VOICE is not the voice of Morales's forced landing; far from it, its the one that speaks diametrically the OTHER way. 

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:10 | 3717007 Ghordius
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-del-

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:30 | 3716939 lakecity55
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Wow, any other of you guys know Spanish, check out the SA news sources. Pissed off is a nice word.

I hope the UNASUR members recall all their ambassadors from DC, Capital of World Fascism.

Chalky has Royally Fucked this up!

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:31 | 3716942 Bunga Bunga
Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:33 | 3716945 fijisailor
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John F Kennedy's secret society speach:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xhZk8ronces

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:42 | 3716955 lakecity55
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Fuck You, Chalky.

You and your Handlers Get Out of My Country!

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:43 | 3716956 smacker
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"...the continent that over the weekend was furious at the NSA for spying on it, expressed its anger by blocking Snowden's airpace."

To me, this is the key exposé of the utter political bollix and hypocrisy that exists in Europe including Britain (which had already instructed airlines not to carry Snowden to the UK under threat of heavy fines).

I'm surprised we weren't treated to a political display of White Flags Across Europe after Obama's henchmen ordered them not to allow this flight over their airspace, or land to refuel.

All the hot air and fake public anger spewed by Euro-politicos was just a public show to appease their electorates who are generally angry about Obama's obsessive spying on everybody. And of course it was revealed that Obama spies on Euro governments too.

And still, the Britsh govt offers no comment on any of this because it's up to its neck in unlawful spying for itself and on behalf of the NSA et al.

We are surely witnessing the painful death of accountable democracy across Western nations.

The fascist jackboots are on and they're marching...

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:56 | 3716967 Ghordius
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"utter political bollix and hypocrisy that exists in Europe including Britain"

nope. disagree, as already posted here, and here

let's start with the fact that British opinion regarding Snowden is similar to the American: a majority regards him as a terrorist that ought to be in prison

further, I doubt that the Obama admin ordered Italy et al to bar that flight. see the 1985 case at Sigonella, that had Italian Army troops nearly in a shooting match with US Seals. evidence points to Italy just avoiding a similar showdown - which I support

smacker, we are still angry about the CIA intelligence flights prior to Guantanamo. we are angry about this US/UK spying... since the end of WWII

don't confuse British views on the matter with continental views on the matter - we disagree strongly on what to do about it

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:45 | 3716996 smacker
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I read your earlier comments and disagree with some of your facts.

EG: if Snowden had been on board FAB1 when it was obliged to land in Vienna, he would have been detained "airside". Meaning that he was not legally in Austria and the socialist Austrian Govt would then say he cannot claim asylum until he passes thru immigration, which he cannot do without a passport. Catch 22. This is the same feeble excuse used by some other countries he's asked for asylum.

And you can bet that within hours, an unmarked plane owned by the NSA/CIA would have arrived to whisk him away. IE rendition. Of course the flightpath of that plane would never be revoked by ANY EU Govt.

I do not agree that a majority of British opinion regard him as a terrorist. That is nonsense. If you mean "British political class opinion", please say so. But the British political class does NOT speak for me and millions of other people. They're nothing more than a bunch of criminals who falsely purport to act in my interests but in actuality do nothing of the sort. It has always been thus.

I do not believe I have conflated British views with Euro views on this issue. Sure, British "govt" views are well known. But what we see happening is Euro political views spewing much hot air about the spying ONLY when it became clear that the US is spying on their offices etc. When it was only the populations being spied on, they remained fairly quiet.

Now we see that as soon as Washington says "jump", all the little political scum-suckers across Europe do what they do best: JUMP. Such hypocrisy.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 06:15 | 3717014 Ghordius
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I disagree on the "feeble excuse" - I have to defend here Austrian law, polity and asylum-giving records. It's still hypothetical, but if Austria comes out and announce that they have Snowden and they have given him asylum than you owe be a couple of beers ;-) And you have to sing the Austrian National Anthem

I do stand corrected: yes, "British political class opinion" is more exact. Though I am still suspicious about the "good ol' British jingoism" when it comes to spying or reviling the continent - I do wonder if Brits would have a referendum on that what the result would be

spying on populations is a complex matter - as I wrote to falak here, you do have to make differences between govs and corps

meanwhile barring that flight is also complex - who barred? what was the US going to do? is the US administration really happy about that action?

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 06:29 | 3717021 smacker
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We all know that IF any country wanted to give Snowden asylum, they would fix the paperwork to do it.

All we see are cowardly political slimeballs hiding behind paperwork being out of order.

Trust me, I have lost count of the number of times that I've found it necessary to explain to jumped-up jackboots that "rules and procedures are supposed to facilitate something to happen, not to prevent it". Of course, they mostly do not understand what I'm talking about because they see these things as the source of their "power and authority" which makes them feel important.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:31 | 3717250 the tower
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I noticed that the BBC (news that is) has become a mouth piece for the British political class lately. The amount of mindless cackling is shocking. They tore down Mr.Snowden without spending a second of airtime on the fact that the UK has plugged into the atlantic internet cables to absorb and analyze all internet traffic.

If anything the UK should be thrown out of the EU immediately, IF the EU would have been what we assume they are. Which they are not. 

Fascism is at our doorsteps and they are about to knock...

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:11 | 3716970 NuYawkFrankie
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Re And still, the Britsh govt offers no comment on any of this because it's up to its neck in unlawful spying for itself and on behalf of the NSA et al.

 

Ahhemmm... cough... cough (and other assorted feigned throat-clearing  noises) - I hate to be the one to break the news, but Britain's not known as Perfidious Albion for nothing!

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:14 | 3716980 Ghordius
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another misrepresentation - and a very old one to boot - do I really have to defend British policy and polity here? when asked, you don't even have a real request, up to now. ask yourself what you want, first

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:24 | 3716984 smacker
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Well, yes. But on this occasion Britain's rulers haven't even exposed themselves as the Perfidious Albion.

They've been in bed with Washington and NSA from Day One when the pantomime began. And they've dodged every request for comment on grounds of 'national security', 'terrorism'and other well worn phrases, intended to shut down media debate. Because they know that GCHQ indulges in unlawful spying and surveillance, all with Foreign Office & Home Office approval. And then there's the Met Police, seemingly run by a bunch of lying criminals. It goes on ...

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:33 | 3716986 Ghordius
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and yet... your avatar tells the "EUSSR story"? with liberal Albion having to free itself from "the socialist continent"? I beg your pardon for my confusion about your stance on several items. it would help me if you would give more comments on your views on British policy

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 06:17 | 3717015 smacker
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My views are not that complex.  To me, the EU has become an embryonic fascist superstate. Britain has to get out of it before we are consumed.

This RT documentary shows the EU has become ever more corrupt and is also drifting rapidly towards corporatism/fascism. This may have always been the secret intention.  http://rt.com/shows/documentary/brussels-business-eu-capital-838/

That said, I do not believe that Britain itself is - or ever has been - a model of democratic accountability. No way.

Cromwell sowed the seeds of Britain's demise in the 1600s. His civil wars were not between the ruling class -vs- the people, but between two factions of the ruling class (the unelected dictatorial monarchs and the parliamentarians who were the rich and powerful, mostly landowners). We know who won, but the Putney Tapes reveal the growing doubts Cromwellians had about giving power to the people or of establishing them as the supreme power. So they didn't. They re-introduced the monarchy (Charles II) but with subordinate powers to Parliament. And called it democracy. ho-ho.

Back in the early 90s, the SINGLE reason I sort-of supported the EU was precisely because I saw Britain drifting towards corporatism and fascism and the EU appeared to be a mushy social democracy. That was not of my liking but it was better than what I saw happening in Britain.

Brits then need to focus on sorting out our own political ruling class. Or we will become even more subservient and debt slaves to fund the ruling class and monarchy.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 06:30 | 3717024 Ghordius
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thanks, smacker. now I think I get it. well, I think future will tell. meanwhile one thought for you: 15'000 lobbyists and think-tank analysts in Brussels - one for every two EU civil servants

what are the options? having them in our national capitals? or having those in Washington decide for us? because if you find a good plan to get rid of them completely, please do tell me

meanwhile our continental "mushy social democracy" might still surprise you

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:22 | 3717212 the tower
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You do realize that RT is Putin's mouth piece, right? It's outright anti-US and anti-EU propaganda.

Not that you're off in your opinions, the entire world is a corporate fascist state. 

All polarities are only there to make you think you have a choice, and borders are there to control you.

Wake up and stop choosing sides.

The only side you should be on are the people close to you.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:13 | 3717378 tip e. canoe
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^ This.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:38 | 3717479 smacker
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I wouldn't say it's Putin's mouthpiece any more than the UK BBC is the Labour (or Tory) Party mouthpiece (IMO it's actually a wider Establishment mouthpiece).

But I'm well aware that is has its own anti-US, anti-EU and anti-Israel agendas.

It also has some good programmes ...Max Keiser, Bob English and a few others. And some of its documentaries are good too. Llike the one I linked to about the Brussels corporate lobbyists, where they exposed a three year effort by Fritz Bolkestein to create a compulsory register of lobbyists. He had to settle for a voluntary one. Nobody's quite sure who killed it but Barroso was certainly involved.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:52 | 3718165 Ghordius
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+1 may I add that the RT's anti-EU agenda translates into a very good anti-EU propaganda. they generally do their homework, at RT

I agree that a compulsory lobbyist register would be a good thing - but I'm not sure how good: what are the benefits? would it make inquisitive journalist's job easier? we would first need some

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:57 | 3716969 the tower
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Sickening... Even though you know that it's the US government that is pulling the ropes and playing their sick games, you can't escape from hating the country as they always fly the fucking flag behind all they say and do. Well done Obama et al, you managed to betray the American people and made the world hate all of you once more. Corporate currupt sell-out "politicians" should be hanged, all of them.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:10 | 3716977 fijisailor
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Just for the record.  Evo Morales does not tolerate political opposition.  That opposition is in prison or has left Bolivia.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:49 | 3716999 smacker
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Good point. And that's not too different to most other Latin American countries, including Brazil where journo murders are worringly high, despite having a written constitution expousing the democratic rights of the people. LA was never Snowden's best choice for asylum IMHO. But a desperate man is a ... ...

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:55 | 3717004 fijisailor
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Today repression goes by many names such as freedom in the USA or Eurozone, Socialism in S America or communism in China or Cuba.  All of these names are irrelevant.  What really matters is:  Are individuals debt slaves or not?  Once you figure this out you can be truly free and not worry so much about whether some wanker at a computer screen is monitoring you.  Shut your computer and phone off once in a while and discover that life goes on and you can make friends with your neighbors and explore the world.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 06:24 | 3717018 Sudden Debt
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DON'T WORRY!! I WON'T SHOOT YOU!! (handing over the gun to the guy standing next to him...)

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 06:26 | 3717019 Veto
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No Snowdon aboard, and the EU puppets looking tiny as smurfs enslaved by Gargamel. Some slick counterintelligence from a certain allegedly disinterested party detectable here?

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:12 | 3717073 smacker
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For those interested, Bolivian flight Call Sign "FAB1" has now left Austria and is on its way home, currently heading towards Barcelona/Spain at 39,000 feet & 540 mph.

See  www.flightradar24.com  and add the filter 'FAB' to filter out all the other planes in the air.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:17 | 3717082 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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"Spain, Norway, Italy, Ecuador, and Austria have also rejected Snowden’s applications, stating that asylum requests cannot be granted unless the applicant is already inside the country ..."

Hmmm. If I remember correctly, Vienna is in Austria. Now Bolivian AF1 is in Vienna, where an application for asylum can only be processed if the request comes from in country.  If Mr. S. is on Bolivian AF1 then he is in Austria... unless of course, he is not in the country because he has not been admitted with a valid passport, yada yada yada.

Quite the chess game really.

 

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:00 | 3717163 Dungeness
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Some people think Snowden is a hero.

Some think he is a traitor.

Some think he is a distraction.

Could he be an announcement?

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:12 | 3717372 tip e. canoe
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yes, that the entire World (As We Know It) is one giant Catch-22.

"I’m cold," Snowden moaned. "I’m cold."

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