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What The Three Month Can-Kicking "Deal" Looks Like
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell will soon announce an agreement to reopen the government and avert default on U.S. debt, Politico reports, according to several sources familiar with the talks. Here is what that "stunning reversal for the speaker" deal looks like. In short: the can has been kicked for three months, to early February.
But the fact that House Republicans are now planning to go that route marks a stunning reversal for the speaker who had backed his conservative wing’s drive to gut Obamacare as part of the government shutdown fight, now in its third week.
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The bill will barely scathe Obamacare, however, and putting it on the floor will mark a huge concession by the House after sparking a 16-day government shutdown over insistence that the health care law be defunded or delayed as a condition to keep the government open. Dozens of conservatives in the House will be disappointed by the proposal and Boehner will need Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi to deliver a bevy of votes to pass the bill.
Reid (D-Nev.) and McConnell (R-Ky.) are very close to finishing an agreement to reopen the government through Jan. 15, lift the debt ceiling through Feb. 7 and develop a bicameral budget committee that would be required to develop a conference report by Dec. 13.
The plan includes a proposal offered by McConnell in the 2011 debt ceiling crisis that allows Congress to disapprove of the debt ceiling increase, which means lawmakers will formally vote on whether to reject of the debt ceiling increase until Feb. 7. Obama can veto that legislation if it passes. If Congress fails as expected to gather a two-thirds majority to override the veto, the debt ceiling would be raised.
The deal would also deliver back pay to furloughed federal workers, require income verification for people seeking health-insurance subsidies under the Affordable Care Act and also allow the Treasury Department to use extraordinary measures to pay the nation’s bills if Congress doesn’t raise the debt ceiling by Feb. 7.
And The Hill adds:
Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) presented the deal to his conference Wednesday morning. Republican senators quickly rallied around the proposal, which would fund government through Jan. 15.
McConnell and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) put the finishing touches on the proposal after an effort by House Republicans to advance a competing resolution collapsed Tuesday.
The bipartisan agreement would also raise the $16.7 trillion debt ceiling until February, setting the stage for budget talks between the Senate and House.
Reid and McConnell announced the deal on the Senate floor shortly after noon.
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If the legislation passes as expected, it would set up a Senate-House conference to negotiate fiscal reforms, which must be reported to Congress by a certain date.
The bill will allow President Obama to retain his power to use so-called extraordinary measures to preserve the ability of the government to pay its bills once it reaches the debt limit. The Treasury Department informed Congress in May that it had begun to use such measures to manage the debt ceiling.
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Here is a very succinct summary of our situation from Dave Hodges:
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Shovel dirt on America’s grave. The America we knew has died. The present thievery of the banks constitutes the last great American garage sale as the vulture bankers are picking the financial bones of America completely clean. The banks and their executives are trying to steal everything that is not nailed down. They have commenced attacking the pensions and soon it will be the bank accounts, houses, farms and businesses of America. In short, the banks are to come out the other side of a financial collapse with as many tangible assets as possible. The American middle class is being asked to bear the burden of the entire derivatives market which totals over 16 times the net value of the entire planet. If this financial debt problem had a cure, then ask yourself why so many corporate heads are building homes overseas? Why did George Bush build a 100,000 acre ranch in Paraguay? Why is NORTHCOM, a combat organization, engaging in continuing, nonstop urban riot control training? Why did FEMA and DHS schedule 10 disaster drills between September 25th and November 13th? Are we to believe that all of these factors are unrelated? It is looking more and more like the bail-out money, which was no more than the private theft of public money, is actually doing what the name implies, it is bailing out corporate executives. America is being forced to fund the getaway gifts for those that have stolen so much from the American people?"
Here is the full article: http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/10/14/three-statistics-which-spell-doom-for-america/
Paraguay?
Fuck me!... They're cloning W's to take over the world like the Boys in Brazil.
THIS IS EVIL.
http://media.salon.com/2010/09/george_w_bush.jpg
All of that and we get a report!!!
<and develop a bicameral budget committee that would be required to develop a conference report by Dec. 13.>
Armstrong's model has been saying 2015.75 we turn down from there.. 2032, possiblility of dark age/Mad Max event.
Chase bank just sent letters to its business customers notifying them that after November 17th they would no longer allow international wire transfers and will limit monthly atm and account withdrawals.
Somehow I think Armstrong is WILDLY optimistic.
So business as usual, then. We go through all these theatrics for what exactly? More debt enslavement of my kids, more destruction of my purchasing power through dollar devaluation, and more invasion of the federal government into my personal life.
Stuff it, congress. I'm not paying for this anymore. If you need money, have Bernanke/Yellen print some more up for you.
commence can-kicking
Just once I wish the can would turn out to be an IED.
I'm bullish on political suicide
Cruz and Lee will be forced to "cave", or get "water-boarded" by the GOP. Their Consolation Prize: They'll get re-elected anyway, given the "valiant effort" they made.
Washington: The latter-day Whore of Babylon.
Moral: If you're not "doing God's work", if you're not "Chosen", you're not "In". You're "Out". You're not "people". You're "chattel".
Plan accordingly, and "don't shoot the messenger".
This is moot. If the House votes first and passes it (seems like a presumed if), then it is a privileged motion into the Senate and individual Senators are not allowed to filibuster priviliged motions.
Ah, I see. So, it may be a nice Procedure move by the party Leaders and Whips, to make it moot for Cruz and Lee. Thx!
Fuck'em all..... Worthless traitors. Get back to Freakin Ohio douche bag. I had enough of this mockery.
And the president has a 38% approval rating. You cant make this shit up.
agreed but the MSM can refuse to report that minor detail
That minor detail, Obama at an approval rating as low as Bush after 6 years of constant baby killer rhetoric is largely unavailable across the media spectrum. Jason Lewis and other RINO supporting supposedly Conservative radio hosts around the country fail to mention anything other than Cruz is torpedoing our valiant get along RINO's with is his point while stating the latest polls are bad for Republicans, isnt Cruz a Republican. There is a war for your mind and the fifth column is very active..
Turn them off, turn them all off...
My poppy always told me that 1/3 of people you encounter will love you no matter what you do, 1/3 will hate you no matter what you do, and 1/3 will be indifferent. Obama and the media will just continue to show and give attention to the 1/3 that give a shit for Odebtmore.
100% of that 38% was having a free shopping spree at Walmart the other day. Locusts feeding on the last of the crops. Where will they go when the food is gone? Stick a fork in it. This country is done.
Miffed;-)
38% of the time, they support me 100% of the time.
Is Ted Cruz now Obi-Wan?
Biden/Clinton 2016......Yeah, it's going to get that fucking ugly.........
If the Republicans go through with this, it is going to make them look like idiots all around. Even though the two party system is a fraud, who will vote Republican after they shutdown the government for 2 weeks, then eventually cave and make Obama the winner?
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"The plan includes a proposal offered by McConnell in the 2011 debt ceiling crisis that allows Congress to disapprove of the debt ceiling increase, which means lawmakers will formally vote on whether to reject of the debt ceiling increase until Feb. 7. Obama can veto that legislation if it passes. If Congress fails as expected to gather a two-thirds majority to override the veto, the debt ceiling would be raised."
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In other words, the debt ceiling is raised. The republicans don't have 2/3 majority to override the veto. Way to go McConell!
President Zero and Wall St have just assured the Dems a majority in the House in 2014.
/ After that, it's "full steam ahead with the NWO", baby. /s
p.s. Where are all those MFers, running for POTUS in 2016? What say ye? Anything? [crickets, crickets] I thought so.
someone in congress needs to lie down on the tracks
who is man or woman enough?
"...and develop a bicameral budget committee..."
Oh great, a committee.
So it looks like the corporations won't have to follow the law, but citizens will (and provide income information - and probably a DNA sample to boot).
I'm shocked I tell you! Shocked!
Not just a committee...
but a 'double plus extra' super committee that will be far superior than the last ill-fated super-committee.
I mean really, really super.
Really. No shit.
Welcome to the new edition of 'Let's Make a Deal'....where 'full house' of banksters over Washington wins against a 'pair' of Sheeples!!
I'll ask again - has anyone other than Costa at NRO using "Senate sources" independently confirmed that Boehner will let this pass with mainly Dem votes?
Just look at the markets - you think it's all happening on a rumor ?
Not sure if you're joking
who knew invertebrates could talk?
They probsbly had artificial spines implanted.
Look at that can spinnin in the air, we'll just watch it come back down in a couple months.
one of these days, someone is going to pull a charlie brown on it when they line up for the kick
To catch up from the extraordinary measures since May to fund to Feb would require $600B.
Choke on that Repubs!
I'm most pissed about fucking back pay for the disgusting public takers to sit home on their worthless asses !!!!!!!
PBS news hour reported Monday that 100,000 gubmint workers filed for unemployment last week. Government employees are officers in the free shit army.
Why can't all private business have a shutdown and still get paid.....
Smoke and mirror my friend, welcome to show that never ends!
Come inside, Come inside.
We are debt Zombies walking, refusing to accept that we are overleverged and bankrupt because the wizard of Fed keeps on printing the Soylent Green that we feed on. Hey WB, think there is a picture in that description?
Wonder what the next ring is showing, this one's about done. And just how many rings does this circus have anyway?
NOW!!! per plan, legalize 20 Million Illegals, and their families pushing 40 Million.
end of game, game over, thanks RINOS you spineless French crooks.
The idea (politically) is to destroy credibility in the Republican Party and promote a 'vote the pussies out' campaign in 2014 thus giving Democrats unbridled control and license to give Obama his hearts every desire in the remaining two years of his Presidency.........
The political cunts of US are very good at playing theatre. Maybe they just wanted to see how the rest of the world would respond to possible default of the empire.. But it seems that everyone has expected that the fuckers were just bluffing.
You get - and hence deserve - what you elect.
Hence, I don't vote.
There are two major crime families running the country, and it makes no difference at all to We The People which one is nominally in charge at any given time. No difference whatsoever.
I feel dirty even watching these fucking scumbags; they are literally no better than John Gotti. In some cases far worse.
Well thats partially true.
It makes no real difference to we'uns but it does make a lot of difference to them'uns who get the party favors.
And Gotti had to be an hard working 'earner' before he whacked Big Paulie Castellano.
Kabuki theater at its finest. Yawn.
Hey guys...this is a sideshow compared to what is going on at Fukushima...get your priorities straight....politics and the debt will be meaningless if the air and water start to be your biggest concern......if there isn't another major crisis at F it will be due to pure dumb luck and not planning as far as I can see.........there should be an international force there now trying to deal with this problem as TEPCO and the Japanese government sure aren't inspiring confidence in anyone right now........
never forget rule #1 nature, the environment, is an externality.
What's beautiful for our elected leaders is they have a green light to engage in insider trading...imagine how much money they made as markets went, up AND down....while having insight into the direction...
So... everyone is now forced to sign up for obamacare if they want a policy through the marketplace... once everyone is signed up, they'll never be able to do anything with obamacare... the only thing they'll possibly be able to do is reduce/remove the penalties for not having insurance, which is not likely to happen. Donezo.
The only way the US can default on its debt is that it does not uses a part of its monthly revenue to pay the credit card bill. If the GOP is caving in, I suppose they assume Obama (and the more moderates of the GOP) are stupid enough to willfully do that and then blame the GOP for the default when it fact it was a conscious decision.
Obviously, the sheep would believe them.
"The only way the US can default on its debt is that it does not uses a part of its monthly revenue to pay the credit card bill."
Yep, that's exactly what I've continuously been pointing out, $250 billion in revenue every month and a $30 billion dollar debt interest payment. The only path to default would be due to a conscious CHOICE, not an inability to pay. If they say, "we're not set up to prioritize funding," I say BULLSHIT just like David Stockman did when some ignorant financial channel talking head said he was told they couldn't by a government source. If true, which I doubt, they could set it up with a few phone calls. It's all a bullshit, empty threat they don't want to lose the ability to use. So stop f'ing buying into it just as you correctly don't buy into most of their bullshit!
+1. Regardless of his shady background, Stockman really has a way to say it.
The "deal"? Same as it ever was, same as it ever was:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvM6TxUnCDE&t=1m42s
“The deal would also deliver back pay to furloughed federal workers, require income verification for people seeking health-insurance subsidies under the Affordable Care Act.”
Aside from the Gov “Workers” having had a nice 2-week vacation, this Bill has now injected a Trojan Horse no one (except the Few) is aware of: This means that all Service Providers will demand that you provide them with your IRS Income Tax filing.
The outcomes of this are: (1) they not only get to see all your Global Income, but also all your Global Assets (thanks to FICA!); (2) Unlike those who do not pay into the System (too poor, or too many tax loopholes), you will have to use your global assets (sell them, then get a “Reverse mortgage”*), before you get Fed Aid. That’s because in the US, Aid is and will remain “Asset-based”, not “Income-based”. This means that – unlike in other Western countries – you will be systematically stripped of all your worldly assets, before your fellow Contributors pay your bills. The “Bring out the Gimp” scene comes to mind.
Alternatives = Doors #1,2,3: (1) Go Galt, (2) Join the booming Health Care Tourism crowd, or (3) Leave the US, move to a more civilized country.
Moral: Not only does the idle 1% Boehner you up your a$$(ets), but so do your fellow-Contributors (with their Stockholm Syndrome mindset).
* A "Reverse Mortgage" (flogged by well-paid shills like Henry Winkler and Robert Wagner) is the new “Cash for Gold”. Except that your house may have appreciated more than your gold.
Bring out your dead.
Bring out your dead.
If Boehner brings this up for a vote he should follow it up with a vote for a new Speaker of the House. This is yet another Cave-In by the Cave-In boys.
This is going to crack the Republican leadership wide open and the damage will be lasting.
While I have ethical problems with the tea party,I admire their stand,attempting to hold
the Repubs accountable.The tea partiers represent their constituents.Isn't that why they
are elected to office in the first place? Ron Paul has been banging on about the Fed
forever,and now he has been proved right.If he were a complete idiot would his district
keep re-electing him for three decades? The DC crowd doesn't like a new crowd of kids in
sandbox.They don't want to share their toys.They don't want to share power.
The bribes and threats thrown at the tea partiers has not worked and the Repub party
leadership is not used to being carpeted.
and develop a bicameral budget committee that would be required to develop a conference report by Dec. 13.
So in other words, spend more money to decide whether we should borrow and spend less. Fuckin joke...
Bit by bit the Republicans keep handing more power over to Obama the tyrant.
It's as if they live in a bizarro world of their own where they have zero clue about what their responsibilities are.
Instead of passing this, they should be working on an impeachment. Harry Reid can't table an impeachment. Let the Democrat Senators go on record voting not to impeech.
Conservatives & Republicans cannot handle the name calling and phrases like... taking the country hostage, racist, holding a gun to the head of America, wife beaters, killing babies, radical fringe tea partiers, etc, etc.. The Dem/Lib tactics seem to work. Every law and every piece of legislation will be accompanied by young children, out of work peeps, first responders and single mothers as props. The sooner you piece of shit politicians on the right realize these grade school tactics are shallow and pathetic and hit them head on the better, but wait.. - they hit your weakness - the ability to stay in office and continue to be a career politician, after all I do not want to be labled as the bad guy. GET OVER IT !!. Stand up and represent the people !! You have now given away an open checkbook and a NO-Limit credit card to the destroyers of the American way. TREASON will be your epitath McConnell, Boehner and McCain because you stood by and did not fight for the people.
This latest dog and pony show allowed the Republicans to get what they wanted, which was simply to have it on record that they 'disapproved' of this legislation. Obama can veto and everything can go back to normal where the Monopolits (healh insurers, Monsanto, TBTF financical institutions,and the like) can continue to get everything that they want from both parties. Rinse, repeat. What's next?
The Empire is still collapsing.
The Boner's tan is fading. They need to get the Congressional Barber Shop and Salon reopened. He'll have to double the time in the UV bed so he's ready for this shit again in February.
Edit: Nevermind, I imagine the spa is "essential" and never closed.
He's been working so hard at fluffing Obama.he hasn't had time to send one of his flunkies out to get him a new tube of "Orange Glow".
Do you think Nancy rubs that shit all over him? "A little lower, baby. They don't call me The Boner for nothing."
So predictable, just another last minute cave in and kick of the can.
See you in February when we can plough through all this bullshit once again and get nothing but another debt ceiling hike out of it.
20 trillion plus here we come.
The sheeple are much more vulnerable in the late winter, now food is abundant so the starving must wait.
In other words the half-life of debt ceiling negotiations now has its own half-live of half the lenght of the previous half-life. You just can't make this shit up.
What this Deal means to ZH and its bloggers: Moar Doom, Gloom & Boom until then. Bullish for ZH site stats though.
For some, Doomsday Fatigue will set in. Time to stop being addicted to anger. Time to stop listening Purveyors of Permanent Anger & Doom ("Anger Jocks").
Good time to plant a tree, and climb a mountain to get above the Fog of Doom.
p.s. Those who are determined to stay addicted to Anger & Doom can/will junk me accordingly. I care naught. I live on more than Up Arrows, sunshine.
Isn't it nice how spewing bullshiot as you do can sound so positive and uplifting while saying nothing at all. Hump!
-1 for getting Personal, being Subjective, and ill-mannered.
You resort to an attack, rather than articulating a cogent counter-argument. But that's ok. Thanks for proving my point: "Stay angry, my friend". ;-)
And then again, some of us really enjoy our season ticket box seats to the theater of the absurd.
I'll admit that it's an aquired taste and a constant diet is not for the squeamish.
+1 for being Factual, Objective and Civil.
Fuck off, douchebag
Boehner is a V-Gina...what an Incompetent, Impotent, Horse's ARSE! Obama, Reid, Pelosi get everything and the American people/Constitution get Screwed Again, Why DID WE EVEN HAVE an EFFING' Shutdown if he was going to cave...This Boehner is a Total PUSKY..Frankly, I think Obama and Crew have stuff on Boehner courtesy NSA..either that he cheated on his wife, cheated on his wife with another man, or likes little boys...This guy has ZERO Vertebrae...
They did it so they could get a short squeeze rally because they're all long. It has nothing to do with the country or the "citizens" slaves, it's about their portfolios. Maybe some hangings are in order.
Boehner is a V-Gina...what an Incompetent, Impotent, Horse's ARSE! Obama, Reid, Pelosi get everything and the American people/Constitution get Screwed Again, Why DID WE EVEN HAVE an EFFING' Shutdown if he was going to cave...This Boehner is a Total PUSKY..Frankly, I think Obama and Crew have stuff on Boehner courtesy NSA..either that he cheated on his wife, cheated on his wife with another man, or likes little boys...This guy has ZERO Vertebrae...
how many bounces does 'Kitty' have left.
It's a good thing they opened the govt!! How do they expect any of us to live without the government?? I mean now I can go to the different agencies that are now open and be abused and insulted. There will be cops to beat me over the head with billy clubs. i mean these are essential services that the government provides. Taxation, I can continue to be robbed and lied to as well. Man it's been a WEEK without these services. I really missed it.
If the FED/GOVT can print money at will and borrow money at will, why do we have to pay taxes? Atlas Shrugged !!! STRIKE !!
Buy hope, sell change
The part I like best about having the Reserve Currency is exporting all that inflation and suffering to other countries.
We'll never suffer here in the U.S. because the Dollar will ALWAYS be the Reserve Currency.
Let's keep filling that Debt Ceiling punchbowl and party likes it's 1999!
Carney: Whitehouse has no opinion or comment as to whether there are sufficient votes in the House to pass Senate legislation. Cannot place "quantitative odds on any of this." The president "hopes" that both houses of Congress wlll act swiftly.
My daughter and unsellable house says thank you.
All houses are sellable,
when marked to market.
These two stupid monkeys claim that their accord is "historic."
To the other 325 million of us, they did their jobs poorly and late.
Dick Burr of North Carolina.
"Senator Richard Burr, Republican of North Carolina, took a swipe at Senators Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, and Mike Lee, Republican of Utah, as well as House members who linked further funding of the government to gutting the health care law, which is funded by its own designated revenues and spending cuts"
Your relative is spinning in his grave. Surely you're a bastard child of the Burr lineage. Hagan and Burr, two fascist wall street fluffers.
If he really is the decendent of Arron Burr why should we be surprised that he got the Treason Gene?
He is the descendant of Arron Burr.
I'll read up on the duel.
After reading the first link on Wikipedia concerning Arron Burr, easy to see how Dick Burr is related to this arsehole. Maybe Arron is giving him an atta boy from hell.
Why would anyone related to that treasonous bastard want it to be know never mind claimed is beyond me. But then we are dealing with a self-centered politician or am I simply being redundant?
Do the people of this country have to wait for Obama to physically put us in concentration camps (FEMA) before they wake the fuck up? I was down in DC this past weekend tossing barrycades off to the side. It was euphoric. We The People need to do more of it. Can we please get more people involved instead of just bitching all the time behind a keyboard and letting these fucking cowards ruin this nation? Every mother fucking day we take multiple steps back from even remotely trying to restore this Republic. The Statists are in control, what are you going to do about it?
I'm going to toss some barrycades around and make a challenging post on ZH... that ought to fix things.
Your ZH log-in name is fitting.
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But ... the sooner the sheeple wake up,
the sooner they get herded to the FEMA camps.
That's what FEMA camps are for: unruly sheeple.
I'm 1400 miles away and refuse to deal with TSA goon squads.
It's too late anyways, the parasites have overrun the host. Time is better spent preparing yourself, your loved ones and serving locally.
It will be interesting to watch Boehner bend over once more and take it up the rear on amnesty. There too the Republicans are screwed - if they don't support it, those 11 million new votes will go to Obama; if they do support it, those 11 million new votes will go to Obama.
Hey Boehner!! Resign!!!! There has to be someone more competent than you to take over!!!
There goes the cheap gas. More gov vehicles to burn and waste our resources.
how much debt is enough? 20 trillion? hell, why not 50 trillion??? why does nobody ask that question? the irony that our central government gets stronger and more dependents will just create a much bigger disaster once SHTF. Darwin always gets his due, and it'll be a big one.
'Why does nobody ask that question?'....because then everyone will see that the king has no clothes!
Because THE NUTS ARE RUNNING THE NUTHOUSE.
You boys better learn the difference between a skirmish, a battle and a war. War is hell and we aren't there, yet.
Why, the FUCK, are these people getting back pay for NOT WORKING? There will be no change without pain, and right now the only people feeling any pain are the ones least able to make any fucking changes to how this shit show is run.
For reference my company is shutting down for two weeks this winter due to budget issues, we are all required to use PTO, and if that is not sufficient to cover the time then we are on leave without pay. So first my vacation/sick time, then my paycheck are impacted. Fucking the US taxpayers, of which I am one and pay in way the hell more than I get out, have just subsidized a free fucking two week vacation for half a million government workers. People who are so useless that their job is publicly declared NON-ESSENTIAL.
all fake
moar debt
moar gong show
Stawk Recipe: Add
2 Cups debt ceiling
1 Cup Yellen
1 Cup BTFD
1/2 Cup Backpay for Gov workers
1/2 Cup Jump back in to 401K
Sugar to Taste
Mix, no cooking required. Enjoy!
The lily-livered, spineless, with a yellow streak running down their backs, so-called Republicans cower in fear and cry just like babies, the stupid useful idiots that they've become.
I hope they burn in hell, it will be well worth the wait.
I'll see them there sooner than later.
See? Everything's okay. (/sarc)
Yesterday was a terrific buying opportunity. Back on track for DOW 16,000. Deal came a couple of days earlier than I thought it would. It's mathematically impossible for them to do anything but raise the debt 'ceiling' and fund .gov. Just go with it.
The reality is that a majority of voters favor big government, and that means that those who would oppose big government, have to play a careful game. It does not help, that the last time Republicans held sway in both Congress and the Oval Office, all we got was USA Patriot, Medicare part D, and "deficits don't matter".
I'm so enormously proud of Boehner and McConnell and his moderate Republican toadies in Washington .. I could just fart.
"You’re not exempt from math if you’re a Republican, and you’re not exempt from math if you’re a Democrat."
This video is an excellent resource for anybody who’s struggling to understand what Obamacare means for their pocket book. Dave lays it out as only Dave can.
Here’s the video:
Kudos to Dave Ramsey for not falling into the “loudest voice in the room wins” trap. I highly encourage our readers to share this with their friends and family. Share it on Facebook on Twitter and help spread the facts about the Affordable Care Act.
11:01 am • 11 October 2013 • 2278 Comments
Can't you find a video describing in great detail why the US pays half to two-thirds more per person for healthcare than any other advanced nation in the world? That would be something to share with family and friends. The massive amount of looting from the middle class with regards to health care expenditures needs to be addressed.
Look, the Affordable Care Act is a colossal piece of shit, but it's the republican's plan. A market approach. It's quite lame that republicans are know wetting themselves about the ACA implementation. Obama codified into law the very device they wanted. Don't bitch about now.
The New American Century ain't going to last 100 years. The support structure is going broke before the parasites can hegemond the whole World. Perpetual wars, Global Military bases, Global STASI self imolates before the totalitarian wet dream can become reality.
next 3+ years will be scary. Dissent is squashed on all fronts - even CONgress critters are being crushed. Boner is D-O-N-E.
so what about this "deal"?
it's a joke, more bad theater, empty of any substance or value in any sense.
CONgress accomplished nothing today except to pass off yet another meaningless empty symbolic gesture as serious legislation. something they have gotten very, very good at doing over the years.
in a sense, by passing this 11th hour deal, they are further proving their own irrelevance outside of the beltway, because for the rest of us who unfortunately have to exist out hear in the real world, this latest great bipartisan compromise is completely and totally inconsequential.
there is only a very short list of things that our central government does that effects us all regularly and those are destroying our civil liberties, destroying our economic independence, filling body bags the world over and thieving as much treasure from us in as many ways as they can dream up.
and that would have continued had no deal been reached, it will still continue now that one has.
so what hope for a brighter future came out of today's pointless political exercise?
none.
what change was seen in the way the PTB's in DC represent "we the people"?
well, I couldn't help but note we didn't even rate a mention.
3 months of party time.
Loll....isn't this like playing 'Russian Roulette'....with 6 bullets!?!?!?
Get ready; you, the working stiff taxpayer with a bank account, are the hit in this Obamacare sting operation.
Don’t want to pay the government for your health care? Tough. Tell it to the IRS, where premiums aren’t all you pay and hospitals will be asking for your full deductibles – even if they're $11,000 for many - up front.
No problem; the IRS will take it from your bank account. That’s why they call it individual mandate. It’s mandatory. You will obey; you will pay.
Reports Lonely Conservative today: “Democrats don’t really like talking about the high deductibles in most Obamacare insurance plans. That’s how they keep premiums from skyrocketing. But it isn’t going to take people long to figure it out, as more and more medical providers are demanding payment of deductibles up front before they will begin treatment.
“Hospitals say they need to charge patients prior to treatment because Americans are increasingly on the hook for more of their own medical costs. And once care is provided, it’s often difficult for hospitals to collect.”
In other words, you are the patsy for the third world Democrat voter base that doesn’t pay its bills. Too bad you don’t have a voice…in "your" government.
I wish they would just get this shit over with. Let it burn now so it doesn't burn more when it does come down. Maybe they need to distribute more military hardware to podunk police departments around the country. Perhaps their plans are not fully complete.
America is one gigantic prison full of inmates suffering mass Stockholm syndrome.
This is WORSE than the original idea to just pass a clean CR and debt limit extension! Yet another Boehner bill introduced to the House and approved with Democrat votes and a handful of Republican traitors...
Just another sad fucking joke on us, the joke being the government. Recall them all... Viva la Republic?
The plan includes a proposal offered by McConnell in the 2011 debt ceiling crisis that allows Congress to disapprove of the debt ceiling increase, which means lawmakers will formally vote on whether to reject of the debt ceiling increase until Feb. 7. Obama can veto that legislation if it passes. If Congress fails as expected to gather a two-thirds majority to override the veto, the debt ceiling would be raised.
Son of a bitch.
here's what is really fucked....conservatives will vote against all the republicans.
democrats will always vote for the democrats.
goodbye to any type of opposition -even the boner/mccuntel kind
therearetoomany:
Why would you vote
and if you voted
how could you vote
for the republicans
or the democrats
why would you vote, at all?
circular = round 'n round
reckon your right...
i guess I'm holding out hope that by a very minute percentage of a chance that there will be a 'hero'
I'm pretty fucked...I've fought the good fight but rapscallians liars and cheaters win all the time.
I can't even get home depot to call me back, so much for being a sr technical project manager...I'm too old,my skills are out of date, I'm fat and need a knee replacement...I'm the type they're trying to get rid of...
I guess I'll try disability...I'm enlisting in the Free Stuff Army
What a bunch of cunts! ALL of them.
Obama being the main stinky cunt....
DOWN with this shit-show of a "government"
Hey beetle;
where are you?
I'll meet you in the street
I'm certain we will be able to
organize a resistance to this
we gotta get in the street
did you see those old vets
the other day?
THEY got some respect from
your "stinky cunts"!
wow its all been solved. Even the vixx is low. Somw how that particular graph looks very good ;-)
Totally expected. The shutdown was window dressing and cover for the Rs, who now will say "I tried to defund ACA, but the US has to be able to pay its bills." ALL A FARCE. They all knew that they were going to RAM ACA up our ass, because they all want it because it increases govt. power and control. When Roberts said that it is up to we the people thru congress to get rid of it, this is what the criminals came up with to keep the unconstitutional piece of shit.
But then there is no law, and no constitution, since the executor of the laws, born a British subject, of a British subject father, is not an eligible natural born Citizen. As such Obama is a domestic enemy of the United States. The commander of our military is not eligible. Think about that. All of Congress knows this. ALL of Congress is committing treason. Bring on the guillotines.
Yet "conservatives", who also know nothing about the Constitution, will not acknowledge the FACT that Obama is not eligible, and not a natural born Citizen because it is "nit picky", "not fair", or "not a winning argument". The power to REMOVE the domestic enemy Usurper is directly before your eyes (See the 25 Amendment,, and 3 US Code 19) and upon that removal ALL of this ACA legislation is null and void. What morons. You did it to yourselves.
The faux vote is outrageous. Pure posturing. They'll all vote no to say they were against it, Barry will veto, yet there will be a change of heart to prevent that veto from being overridden.
Bunch of cowards.
I can't believe this shit. Obama just got an open checkbook and the gold is not raising? Is this market insane?
Are these money managers that stupid? What the fuck is going on Wall Street?
This is not normal folks, something is wrong - the whole thing is a practical removal of the debt limits.
Once and for all. How come nobody sees that?
Is it just us here? C'mon, only us?
There is no way people are that stupid.
T H A T stupid?